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Date: 19 Dec 2008 22:56:12
From: RichD
Subject: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

.... global warming is no longer a problem.

--
Rich

Date: 29 Dec 2008 05:58:34
From: Michael Coburn
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:30:22 -0500, leonard78sp@primus.ca wrote:

> On 12/28/08 9:24 AM, in article
> 9066aa3e-d132-45eb-9745-c01471e245b5@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com,
> "Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 22, 1:58Ā am, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the fact that this thread is in sci.econ as opposed to
>>> sci.energy or something is a testimonial to the fact that is has
>>> become a political football as opposed to anything scientific. Ā For my
>>> own self I can't seem to take a side on this GW deal and never have.
>
> ** It is important that everyone speak up!!!

Even the idiots?

>>>Ā I see social democracy
> [AKA fascism]

That is quite moronic in that socialism and fascism are polar opposites.
But maybe you _want_ to be noted as a moron. It may help your political
aspirations. I can see it now..... The next George Bush.

>>> as the best ideological compromise and want to move along.
>
>>> In that regard I
>>> would like to see a lot more of the tax burden in the USA on petroleum
>
> ** A stupid fascist ploy which which simply will
> get passed to the consumers. Exxon gets a mere 9% return on their
> investment far less than most major companies. . Increase its taxes
> and it can move its HO to Nassau and halve its tax burden

If the proceeds of an excise tax on oil are returned directly to the
people in the form of a "stimulus" shaped exactly like the last
"stimulus" then it is rather difficult to see how Exxon can "pass the tax
to the consumers". The oil gluttons will pay the tax and those that
conserve on fuel will enjoy the benefits. Meanwhile, the balance of
payments will improve and biofuels will be more competitive. That is the
reality as opposed to the horseshit.

>>> and on import duties.
>
>>> And I have no objection to a carbon tax that gets both crude and coal.
>
> ** Another stupid fascist ploy that will enrich
> Gore and bankrupt business and consumers alike.

Spoken like a true rightarded moron who has no clue concerning the fact
that we are borrowing $700B a year from the Chinese and sending it to
Saudi Arabia just so the Republicans can wallow in campaign funds from
the multinational oil companies.

>>>My own position is one of rebuilding the economic
>>> strength of the USA by getting off the oil teat and at the same time
>>> not having acid for rain.
>
> ** Nothing on your list has any beneficial use,
> certainly nothing to "rebuilding the economic strength of the USA".

Coming from you, this is an endorsement. My cat has a greater economic
acumen than is apparent from you.

>>> Global warming for me is like spotted owls: Ā If I have to hang a few
>>> spotted owls from the limbs of those gorgeous huge tress to keep the
>>> morons away then I'll do it. Ā Quality of life matters.
>
> ** I would suggest you look in your mirror to see
> a real moron
>>
>> So global warming may lead to right actions for wrong reasons?
>
> ** Not from anything in Coburn's silly
> screed above.

(snicker)

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:33:02
From:
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 29, 9:35=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Susan"
>
> >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html
>
> No one will read or heed your reference. =A0It is not proper "evidence."
>
> A small part of the article:
>
> .........
> There are some of us who remain so humbled by the task of measuring and
> understanding the extraordinarily complex climate system that we are
> skeptical of our ability to know what it is doing and why. As we build
> climate data sets from scratch and look into the guts of the climate syst=
em,
> however, we don't find the alarmist theory matching observations. (The
> National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration satellite data we analyze=
at
> the University of Alabama in Huntsville does show modest warming -- aroun=
d
> 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit per century, if current warming trends of 0.25
> degrees per decade continue.)
>
> It is my turn to cringe when I hear overstated-confidence from those who
> describe the projected evolution of global weather patterns over the next
> 100 years, especially when I consider how difficult it is to accurately
> predict that system's behavior over the next five days.
>
> Mother Nature simply operates at a level of complexity that is, at this
> point, beyond the mastery of mere mortals (such as scientists) and the to=
ols
> available to us. As my high-school physics teacher admonished us in those
> we-shall-conquer-the-world-with-a-slide-rule days, "Begin all of your
> scientific pronouncements with 'At our present level of ignorance, we thi=
nk
> we know . . .'"

Yeah. We better wait until we are sure we are screwed before we do
anything.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 07:02:26
From: Edward Green
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 25, 9:23=A0pm, Pepe Papon <hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid >
wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:54:49 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
> >Pepe Papon wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:13:36 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>
> >>> Pepe Papon wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
> >>>> <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a=
global
> >>>>>> indicator if ever there was one.
> >>>>> No bucko. =A0It's over because it turns out the data they were usin=
g to
> >>>>> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting t=
o
> >>>>> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists th=
at are
> >>>>> still pushing it.
> >>>> As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
> >>>> according to Sean Hannity. =A0 But the scientists at the US Climate
> >>>> Change Science program
> >>> What is each scientist's expertise? =A0Who is funding that program?
> >>> How much money are they getting for producing the right reports?
>
> >> I gave you the link, you lazy SOB. =A0Look it up yourself. =A0 Hint: t=
he
> >> site is calledwww.climatescience.gov. =A0 Get it? =A0 "....gov".
>
> >hint: =A0Anybody can create that. =A0I was wondering if you always
> >assume that anything called *.gov or whatever gives all the facts,
> >if any.
>
> >/BAH
>
> In other words, you didn't bother to follow the link. =A0 Sorry, bucko,
> I'm not going to do your homework for you ...

Hmm... Is "bucko" enjoying a fashionable return to colloquial speech,
or are "Irish Mike" and "Pepe Papon" on and the same author?

Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:54:37
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:02:26 -0800 (PST), Edward Green
<spamspamspam3@netzero.com > wrote:

>On Dec 25, 9:23 pm, Pepe Papon <hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid>
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:54:49 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>> >Pepe Papon wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:13:36 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Pepe Papon wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>> >>>> <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
>> >>>>>> indicator if ever there was one.
>> >>>>> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>> >>>>> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>> >>>>> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>> >>>>> still pushing it.
>> >>>> As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
>> >>>> according to Sean Hannity. But the scientists at the US Climate
>> >>>> Change Science program
>> >>> What is each scientist's expertise? Who is funding that program?
>> >>> How much money are they getting for producing the right reports?
>>
>> >> I gave you the link, you lazy SOB. Look it up yourself. Hint: the
>> >> site is calledwww.climatescience.gov. Get it? "....gov".
>>
>> >hint: Anybody can create that. I was wondering if you always
>> >assume that anything called *.gov or whatever gives all the facts,
>> >if any.
>>
>> >/BAH
>>
>> In other words, you didn't bother to follow the link. Sorry, bucko,
>> I'm not going to do your homework for you ...
>
>Hmm... Is "bucko" enjoying a fashionable return to colloquial speech,
>or are "Irish Mike" and "Pepe Papon" on and the same author?

That's a laugh.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:56:23
From: Edward Green
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 24, 5:31=A0am, Pepe Papon <hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid >
wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>
> <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a glo=
bal
> >> indicator if ever there was one.
>
> >No bucko. =A0It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
> >predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
> >distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that ar=
e
> >still pushing it.
>
> As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
> according to Sean Hannity. =A0 But the scientists at the US Climate
> Change Science program happen to see it diffently. =A0What a shocker!:
>
> ------------------------
> WHAT IS CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE UNITED STATES?

Since when did North America become decoupled from the rest of the
globe?

> Studies that rigorously quantify ...

"Rigorously quantify". Fine academic words. You are dealing with a
chaotic system of which there is only one copy. I'd say "rigorous
quantification" of the effect of different "external" influences, or
even a clear meaning to the concept, whether or not it can be
produced, is right out the door.

> the effect of different external
> influences on observed changes (attribution studies) conclude that
> most of the recent global warming is very likely due to
> human-generated increases in greenhouse gas concentrations.
>
> IT IS LIKELY THAT THERE HAS BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL HUMAN CONTRIBUTION TO
> SURFACE TEMPERATURE INCREASES IN NORTH AMERICA.

Does saying it all in capital letters make it more rigorous?

> Attribution studies also show that it is likely that there has been a
> substantial human contribution to surface temperature increases
> in North America, though attribution of the drivers of long-term
> temperature changes on time scales of less than 50 years and at
> regional scales, with limited exceptions, has not yet been
> established.

Regional scales? You mean, like North America? I also note the 50
year caveat, which at least sounds more conservative: so at most we
can say, even according to this study, that over the last century or
so, human influence has had a significant influence on global
climate. Excuse me, is "likely" to have had... It should be realized
that "likely" here is a strictly Bayesian probability, assuming,
again, we can even agree that the assertion is prima facie meaningful,
before we get to "likely".

> Discernible human influences also extend to additional aspects of
> climate, including the recent decreases in Arctic sea ice extent,
> patterns of sea-level pressure and winds, and the global scale pattern
> of land precipitation.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:05:23
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:56:23 -0800 (PST), Edward Green
<spamspamspam3@netzero.com > wrote:

>On Dec 24, 5:31 am, Pepe Papon <hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>>
>> <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
>> >> indicator if ever there was one.
>>
>> >No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>> >predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>> >distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>> >still pushing it.
>>
>> As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
>> according to Sean Hannity. But the scientists at the US Climate
>> Change Science program happen to see it diffently. What a shocker!:
>>
>> ------------------------
>> WHAT IS CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE UNITED STATES?
>
>Since when did North America become decoupled from the rest of the
>globe?

The study was done for the US government, and the scope was limited to
the effects on the US.

>> Studies that rigorously quantify ...
>
>"Rigorously quantify". Fine academic words. You are dealing with a
>chaotic system of which there is only one copy. I'd say "rigorous
>quantification" of the effect of different "external" influences, or
>even a clear meaning to the concept, whether or not it can be
>produced, is right out the door.
>
>> the effect of different external
>> influences on observed changes (attribution studies) conclude that
>> most of the recent global warming is very likely due to
>> human-generated increases in greenhouse gas concentrations.
>>
>> IT IS LIKELY THAT THERE HAS BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL HUMAN CONTRIBUTION TO
>> SURFACE TEMPERATURE INCREASES IN NORTH AMERICA.
>
>Does saying it all in capital letters make it more rigorous?

No, it makes it easier to see on a page filled with other text.

>> Attribution studies also show that it is likely that there has been a
>> substantial human contribution to surface temperature increases
>> in North America, though attribution of the drivers of long-term
>> temperature changes on time scales of less than 50 years and at
>> regional scales, with limited exceptions, has not yet been
>> established.
>
>Regional scales? You mean, like North America? I also note the 50
>year caveat, which at least sounds more conservative:

Yes, like North America the region which was the focus of the study.

>so at most we
>can say, even according to this study, that over the last century or
>so, human influence has had a significant influence on global
>climate. Excuse me, is "likely" to have had... It should be realized
>that "likely" here is a strictly Bayesian probability, assuming,
>again, we can even agree that the assertion is prima facie meaningful,
>before we get to "likely".

The quote was from a summary of the study. It would be reasonable to
assume that the scientists who did the study have a more rigorous
definition of "likely" within the analysis

Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:44:25
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com > wrote
> Since when did North America become decoupled from the rest of the
> globe?

When Ronald (I forgot my name) Reagan was elected U.S. president.

It's been all progress and rectitude for AmeriKKKa since then.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:43:41
From: Edward Green
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 23, 7:16=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_Ho...@hotmail.com> wro=
te
> in messagenews:J1f4l.35$5b.18@read1.cgocable.net...
>
>
>
> > "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote
> >> No bucko. =A0It's over because it turns out the data they were using t=
o
> >> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
> >> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that =
are
> >> still pushing it.
>
> > Ahahahahaahah....... =A0Delusional comments from a drunk.
>
> > Here are the global average temperatures since 1958. "o" =3D trend line=
.
>
> > Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.
>
> > And most recently the rate of increase is about 2'C per century.
>
> Pay attention numb nuts. =A0The earth is millions of years old and we've =
been
> keeping climate records for about 100 years.

Well, yes and no. The Earth has been keeping some kind of climate
record for a lot longer than that, and we've learned to read some
pieces of it. For what that's worth.

>=A0Not to mention the fact that
> the global warming idiots have been misreading the extremely limited data
> they do have. =A0Global warming is a scam and reputable scientists are
> exposing it for exactly what it is. =A0Better find a new liberal cause bu=
cko,
> because that global warming dog won't hunt any more.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:37:37
From: Edward Green
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 21, 11:07=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message

> No bucko. =A0It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
> still pushing it.
> Fact is, global warming became a religious crusade for the lunatic libera=
l
> left. =A0It also became big business. =A0If the whole global warming scam=
is
> publicly debunked, thousands of people will lose their global warming
> related jobs.
> The good news is that the ring master of this scam - ol' lard ass Al - ma=
de
> his $100M and is still living in his mansion, traveling in convoys of
> gas-guzzling SUVs and flying in his private jet while he lectures dim wit=
s
> like you on eating less, living colder and riding bicycles.

Just a comment, sir: what I see is a war of credibility, which is why
I think you should find some other sobriquet for Al Gore, because your
current one does not raise _your_ credibility: you're only hurting
yourself, as they say. Simply leave off at calling Gore a hypocrite,
which you effectively did without even using the word -- that's a good
deal stronger polemic.

Notice I didn't insult you or even substantively question your
assertions, so if you come back to me with insults, this will simply
be a further credibility loss.

Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:37:53
From: leonard78sp@primus.ca
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On 12/28/08 9:37 AM, in article
543cbf53-c6ef-449c-bc80-7ec2a8a540d2@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com, "Edward
Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com > wrote:

> On Dec 21, 11:07 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>
>> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>> still pushing it.
>> Fact is, global warming became a religious crusade for the lunatic liberal
>> left. It also became big business. If the whole global warming scam is
>> publicly debunked, thousands of people will lose their global warming
>> related jobs.
>> The good news is that the ring master of this scam - ol' lard ass Al - made
>> his $100M and is still living in his mansion, traveling in convoys of
>> gas-guzzling SUVs and flying in his private jet while he lectures dim wits
>> like you on eating less, living colder and riding bicycles.
>
> Just a comment, sir: what I see is a war of credibility, which is why
> I think you should find some other sobriquet for Al Gore, because your
> current one does not raise _your_ credibility:

** Well Mike get off the pulpit.
You do not make a whole lot of sense

> you're only hurting
> yourself, as they say. Simply leave off at calling Gore a hypocrite,
> which you effectively did without even using the word -- that's a good
> deal stronger polemic.
>
> Notice I didn't insult you or even substantively question your
> assertions, so if you come back to me with insults, this will simply
> be a further credibility loss.

** One need not insult you. You do it to yourself.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:58:36
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:543cbf53-c6ef-449c-bc80-7ec2a8a540d2@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 21, 11:07 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message

> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
> still pushing it.
> Fact is, global warming became a religious crusade for the lunatic liberal
> left. It also became big business. If the whole global warming scam is
> publicly debunked, thousands of people will lose their global warming
> related jobs.
> The good news is that the ring master of this scam - ol' lard ass Al -
> made
> his $100M and is still living in his mansion, traveling in convoys of
> gas-guzzling SUVs and flying in his private jet while he lectures dim wits
> like you on eating less, living colder and riding bicycles.

Just a comment, sir: what I see is a war of credibility, which is why
I think you should find some other sobriquet for Al Gore, because your
current one does not raise _your_ credibility: you're only hurting
yourself, as they say. Simply leave off at calling Gore a hypocrite,
which you effectively did without even using the word -- that's a good
deal stronger polemic.

Notice I didn't insult you or even substantively question your
assertions, so if you come back to me with insults, this will simply
be a further credibility loss.

Thank you for taking the time to analyze my post. You're certainly right
regarding my negative comments about former Vice President Gore's
appearance. My arguments would be more credible with out them. On the
other hand, I really dislike the lard-assed, two-faced lying son of a bitch.

Irish Mike

Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:48:43
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote
> I really dislike the lard-assed, two-faced lying son of a bitch.

"Far more than other lawmakers, Gore during his career in Washington has
gained a reputation in the science community for being concerned,
knowledgeable, and articulate on matters of science and technology.
Researchers of various disciplines interviewed by The Scientist attest
to this, saying they are impressed that Gore is well versed in
scientific areas as diverse as space science, supercomputing, and
biotechnology." - New Scientist V6 #17.

---
:I think his <Al Gore's > credentials, in terms of science, are probably
better than those of anybody else in the Congress," - Robert Park,
American Physical Society (APS) / professor of physics University of
Maryland, College Park.

---
"I have interacted with him <Al Gore > a number of times, at many
conferences. And he is surely the most knowledgeable major politician in
terms of his actual scientific knowledge." - F. Sherwood Rowland,
tmospheric chemist at the University of California, Irvine / president
of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)

---
"On key issues such as the space station, Al Gore actually knows what
he's talking about. He's not just mouthing words that some staff person
wrote for him." - John Pike, space policy project director for the
Federation of American Scientists (FAS) in Washington, D.C.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:18:12
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House@hotmail.com > wrote
in message news:dfU5l.178$ib.116@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote
>> I really dislike the lard-assed, two-faced lying son of a bitch.
>
>
> "Far more than other lawmakers, Gore during his career in Washington has
> gained a reputation in the science community for being concerned,
> knowledgeable, and articulate on matters of science and technology.
> Researchers of various disciplines interviewed by The Scientist attest
> to this, saying they are impressed that Gore is well versed in
> scientific areas as diverse as space science, supercomputing, and
> biotechnology." - New Scientist V6 #17.
>
> ---
> :I think his <Al Gore's> credentials, in terms of science, are probably
> better than those of anybody else in the Congress," - Robert Park,
> American Physical Society (APS) / professor of physics University of
> Maryland, College Park.
>
> ---
> "I have interacted with him <Al Gore> a number of times, at many
> conferences. And he is surely the most knowledgeable major politician in
> terms of his actual scientific knowledge." - F. Sherwood Rowland,
> tmospheric chemist at the University of California, Irvine / president
> of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
>
> ---
> "On key issues such as the space station, Al Gore actually knows what
> he's talking about. He's not just mouthing words that some staff person
> wrote for him." - John Pike, space policy project director for the
> Federation of American Scientists (FAS) in Washington, D.C.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html

Date: 28 Dec 2008 20:52:41
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html - JOHN R. CHRISTY

Christy of Smoking doesn't cause Cancer fame.

Christy who claimed that satellites show cooling when they actually show
warming.

Chiisty who claimed an Iris would open over the oceans to cool them - and
found to be wrong.

Christy who is a chronic failure.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 20:16:46
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House@hotmail.com > wrote
in message news:q3W5l.193$ib.98@read2.cgocable.net...

> Christy who is a chronic failure.

You should be such a failure
Dr. John R. Christy

Professor and Director
Earth System Science Center
National Space Science and Technology Center
320 Sparkman Drive
Huntsville, AL 35805

Ph.D., Atmospheric Sciences, University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, 1987
M.S., Atmospheric Sciences, , University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, 1984
B.A., Mathematics, California State University, Fresno, 1969

Dr. John R. Christy is Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the
Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville where
he began studying global climate issues in 1987. In November 2000 Gov. Don
Siegelman appointed him to be Alabamaās State Climatologist. In 1989 Dr. Roy
W. Spencer, a NASA/Marshall scientist, and Christy developed a global
temperature data set from microwave data observed from satellites beginning
in 1979. For this achievement, the Spencer-Christy team was awarded NASA's
Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement in 1991. In 1996, they were
selected to receive a Special Award by the American Meteorological Society
"for developing a global, precise record of earth's temperature from
operational polar-orbiting satellites, fundamentally advancing our ability
to monitor climate."

Dr. Christy has served as a Contributor (1992, 1994 and 1996) and Lead
Author (2001) for the U.N. reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change in which the satellite temperatures were included as a high-quality
data set for studying global climate change. He has or is serving on five
National Research Council panels or committees and has performed research
funded by NASA, NOAA, DOE, DOT and the State of Alabama and has published
many articles including studies appearing in Science, Nature, Journal of
Climate and The Journal of Geophysical Research. Dr. Christy has provided
testimony to several congressional committees.

Date: 28 Dec 2008 23:59:23
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote
> You should be such a failure
> Dr. John R. Christy

Unlike always wrong Christy, I would rather be honest.

Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:36:50
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House@hotmail.com > wrote
in message news:tOY5l.201$ib.196@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote
>> You should be such a failure
>> Dr. John R. Christy
>
> Unlike always wrong Christy, I would rather be honest.

So what's been stopping you?

Irish Mike

Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:52:38
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

>> Unlike always wrong Christy, I would rather be honest.

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote
> So what's been stopping you?

Unlike you, who's political Liedeology demands deceit, Absolutely nothing.

Here are the global average temperatures since 1958. "o" = trend line.

Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.

And most recently the rate of increase is about 2'C per century.

View with mono spaced font.

1958 14.08 *******o***************
1959 14.06 ********o************
1960 13.99 *********o******
1961 14.08 **********o************
1962 14.04 ***********o********
1963 14.08 ************o**********
1964 13.79 **===========o
1965 13.89 *********====o
1966 13.97 **************o
1967 14.00 ***************o*
1968 13.96 **************==o
1969 14.08 *****************o*****
1970 14.03 ******************o
1971 13.90 **********=========o
1972 14.00 *****************===o
1973 14.14 ********************o******
1974 13.92 ***********==========o
1975 13.95 *************=========o
1976 13.84 ******=================o
1977 14.13 ************************o*
1978 14.02 ******************=======o
1979 14.09 ***********************===o
1980 14.18 ***************************o**
1981 14.27 ****************************o*******
1982 14.05 ********************========o
1983 14.26 *****************************o*****
1984 14.09 ***********************=======o
1985 14.06 *********************==========o
1986 14.13 **************************======o
1987 14.27 *********************************o**
1988 14.31 **********************************o****
1989 14.19 ******************************=====o
1990 14.38 ************************************o*******
1991 14.35 ************************************o****
1992 14.12 *************************============o
1993 14.14 ****************************===========o
1994 14.24 **********************************=====o
1995 14.38 ****************************************o***
1996 14.30 **************************************===o
1997 14.40 ******************************************o**
1998 14.57 *******************************************o*************
1999 14.33 ****************************************===o
2000 14.33 ****************************************====o
2001 14.48 *********************************************o*****
2002 14.56 **********************************************o*********
2003 14.55 ***********************************************o*******
2004 14.49 ************************************************o**
2005 14.62 *************************************************o**********
2006 14.54 **************************************************o****
2007 14.56 ***************************************************o*****
------------------------------------------- > Temperature

Correlation Coefficient .8529209

Source NASAS - >
http://data.giss.nasa.gov:80/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VMu14mBXAs

Date: 28 Dec 2008 19:35:50
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Susan"

> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html

No one will read or heed your reference. It is not proper "evidence."

A small part of the article:

.........
There are some of us who remain so humbled by the task of measuring and
understanding the extraordinarily complex climate system that we are
skeptical of our ability to know what it is doing and why. As we build
climate data sets from scratch and look into the guts of the climate system,
however, we don't find the alarmist theory matching observations. (The
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration satellite data we analyze at
the University of Alabama in Huntsville does show modest warming -- around
2.5 degrees Fahrenheit per century, if current warming trends of 0.25
degrees per decade continue.)

It is my turn to cringe when I hear overstated-confidence from those who
describe the projected evolution of global weather patterns over the next
100 years, especially when I consider how difficult it is to accurately
predict that system's behavior over the next five days.

Mother Nature simply operates at a level of complexity that is, at this
point, beyond the mastery of mere mortals (such as scientists) and the tools
available to us. As my high-school physics teacher admonished us in those
we-shall-conquer-the-world-with-a-slide-rule days, "Begin all of your
scientific pronouncements with 'At our present level of ignorance, we think
we know . . .'"

Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:24:32
From: Edward Green
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 22, 1:58=A0am, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net > wrote:

> I think the fact that this thread is in sci.econ as opposed to sci.energy
> or something is a testimonial to the fact that is has become a political
> football as opposed to anything scientific. =A0For my own self I can't se=
em
> to take a side on this GW deal and never have. =A0I see social democracy =
as
> the best ideological compromise and want to move along. =A0In that regard=
I
> would like to see a lot more of the tax burden in the USA on petroleum
> and on import duties. =A0And I have no objection to a carbon tax that get=
s
> both crude and coal. =A0My own position is one of rebuilding the economic
> strength of the USA by getting off the oil teat and at the same time not
> having acid for rain. =A0Global warming for me is like spotted owls: =A0I=
f I
> have to hang a few spotted owls from the limbs of those gorgeous huge
> tress to keep the morons away then I'll do it. =A0Quality of life matters=
.

So global warming may lead to right actions for wrong reasons?
Interesting argument. Haven't heard much about acid rain recently. Is
that because we fixed that problem, or because it simply dropped out
of fashion? Or was it never a problem in the first place?

Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:30:22
From: leonard78sp@primus.ca
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On 12/28/08 9:24 AM, in article
9066aa3e-d132-45eb-9745-c01471e245b5@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com, "Edward
Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com > wrote:

> On Dec 22, 1:58 am, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I think the fact that this thread is in sci.econ as opposed to sci.energy
>> or something is a testimonial to the fact that is has become a political
>> football as opposed to anything scientific. For my own self I can't seem
>> to take a side on this GW deal and never have.

** It is important that everyone speak up!!!

>> I see social democracy
[AKA fascism]
>> as the best ideological compromise and want to move along.

>> In that regard I
>> would like to see a lot more of the tax burden in the USA on petroleum

** A stupid fascist ploy which which simply will
get passed to the consumers. Exxon gets a mere
9% return on their investment far less than most
major companies. . Increase its taxes and it can
move its HO to Nassau and halve its tax burden

>> and on import duties.

>> And I have no objection to a carbon tax that gets
>> both crude and coal.

** Another stupid fascist ploy that will enrich
Gore and bankrupt business and consumers
alike.

>>My own position is one of rebuilding the economic
>> strength of the USA by getting off the oil teat and at the same time not
>> having acid for rain.

** Nothing on your list has any beneficial use,
certainly nothing to "rebuilding the economic
strength of the USA".

>> Global warming for me is like spotted owls: If I
>> have to hang a few spotted owls from the limbs of those gorgeous huge
>> tress to keep the morons away then I'll do it. Quality of life matters.

** I would suggest you look in your mirror to see
a real moron
>
> So global warming may lead to right actions for wrong reasons?

** Not from anything in Coburn's silly
screed above.

Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:39:08
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

<leonard78sp@primus.ca > wrote
> ** A stupid fascist ploy which which simply will
> get passed to the consumers. Exxon gets a mere
> 9% return on their investment far less than most
> major companies.

LIAR

Exxon pulled in $11.68 billion in profits in august of this year alone.

Exxon Mobil: Biggest profit in history
The largest U.S. oil company surges past analysts' estimates with a posted
net income of $14.83 billion and sets a national record for quarterly
profit.
By Aaron Smith, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: October 30, 2008: 3:28 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. set a quarterly profit record
for a U.S. company Thursday, surging past analyst estimates.

Exxon Mobil (XOM, Fortune 500), the leading U.S. oil company, said its
third-quarter net profit was $14.83 billion, or $2.86 per share, up from
$9.41 billion, or $1.70, a year earlier. That profit included $1.45 billion
in special items.

The company's prior record was $11.68 billion in the second quarter of 2008.

The latest quarter's net income equaled $1,865.69 per second, nearly $400 a
second more than the prior mark.

The company said its revenue totaled $137.7 billion in the third quarter.

Analysts had expected Exxon to report a 40% jump in earnings to $2.38 per
share, or net income of $12.2 billion, and a 28% surge in revenue to $131.13
billion, according to a consensus of estimates compiled by Thomson Reuters.

The company's earnings were buoyed by oil prices, which reached record highs
in the quarter before declining. Oil prices were trading at $140.97 a barrel
at the beginning of the third quarter, and had fallen to $100.64 at the end.

Compare that to 2007, when prices traded at $71.09 a barrel at the beginning
of the third quarter, and rose to $81.66 by the end.

Last of the big quarters
Exxon's special charges include the gain of $1.62 billion from the sale of a
German natural gas company. It also includes the $170 million charge in
interest related to punitive damages from the Valdez oil spill off the
Alaskan coast in 1989.

The Irving, Texas-based company said it lost $50 million, before taxes, in
oil revenue because of Hurricanes Gustav and Ike. The company expects
damages related to these hurricanes to reduce fourth-quarter earnings by
$500 million.

Exxon's stock price slipped by about 2% in afternoon trading. Bernie McGinn,
Chief Executive of McGinn Investment Management and owner of 30,000 Exxon
shares, said he wasn't surprised, given the recent downturn in oil prices.

"That's probably the last of the big profit quarters, at least for now,"
said McGinn. "You can't make the case that it's going to continue."

Despite the surge in profit, Exxon said oil production was down 8% in the
third quarter, compared to the same period last year.

The company also said it is spending more money to locate new sources of
oil. Exxon said it spent $6.9 billion on oil exploration in the third
quarter, a jump of 26% from the same period last year. The company said it
began a new program to tap natural gas offshore from Nigeria.

More investments
Exxon also has an aggressive program for buying back stock, with 109 million
of its shares repurchased during the third quarter, at a cost of $8.7
billion.

In a conference call with analysts, David Rosenthal, vice president of
investor relations for Exxon, said the company's "first priority" is using
profits to continue investing in exploration programs for oil and other
resources.

Rosenthal said the company would also consider using new-found funds to
bolster its dividend, buy back more shares and to purchase other companies,
but he declined to offer specific details.

Phil Weiss, analyst for Argus Research, said he doesn't expect Exxon to
break any more profit records in future quarters.

"I don't expect the fourth quarter to be nearly as good as the third because
of lower oil prices," said Weiss.

Analysts also said that demand for gasoline is falling, which could impact
Exxon and other oil companies.

"While oil companies benefit from high oil prices in the short run, they
might lose in the long run," Anas Alhajji, chief economist for NGP Energy
Capital Management, wrote in an email to CNNMoney.com. "Higher oil prices
lead to lower demand, as we have seen in recent months."

Earlier Thursday, Europe's leading oil company, Royal Dutch Shell PLC
(RDSA), reported a 22% gain in net profit for the third quarter, to $8.45
billion. The company said sales rose 45% to $132 billion.

Exxon is the second-largest company in the Fortune 500 in terms of annual
sales, behind Wal-Mart Stores (WMT, Fortune 500).

Exxon's stock price has fallen about 20% so far this year, compared to the
S&P 500, which has fallen about 36%

Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:54:10
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:24:32 -0800 (PST), Edward Green
<spamspamspam3@netzero.com > wrote:

>So global warming may lead to right actions for wrong reasons?
>Interesting argument. Haven't heard much about acid rain recently. Is
>that because we fixed that problem, or because it simply dropped out
>of fashion? Or was it never a problem in the first place?

Wasn't too hard to find:

http://www.epa.gov/acidrain/

Date: 23 Dec 2008 10:14:55
From: gabydewilde
Subject: Re: how the scam works

On Dec 22, 1:07=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "gabydewilde" <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a51291f4-df32-47f4-8ee6-f062829d45b9@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 20, 7:56 am, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>
> > --
> > Rich
>
> We can fix the environment quite easily.
>
> Hemp fearmongering is a good example. Hemp served mankind for
> thousands of years, nature used to convert deserts into forests.
> Taking it out of the loop kills the loop, no maybe here.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC04z1Si4oQg
>
> The Gore trick works like this:
>
> You create imaginary motivations for a real problem.
>
> Then you have others attack the imaginary motivations.
>
> People will eventually see the imaginary motivations are fake.
>
> The debate perpetuates forever while nothing happens.
>
> Like Gore talks about rising sea levels while we are chopping down all
> the trees and preventing deserts from becoming green.
>
> Normally, oxygen comprises 21% of our air at sea level. If this
> percentage falls below 5%, serious consequences. For instance, there
> have been reports of oxygen levels in the 6 to 7% percent range in
> Tokyo. All possible diseases become more harmful from lack of oxygen.
> In Tibet everyone with a weak heart just dies, this way man can
> "adapt" to gradually decreasing oxygen levels but not as fast as it's
> currently going. The amount of thoughts a person has scales perfectly
> with the atmospheric oxygen levels. Eventually one will just drop dead
> forgetting how to breath.
>
> The idea we can have billions of people, cut down all the green and
> refuse to grow anything to replace it is far more idiotic than the
> carbon emissions or so called global warming.
>
> Bingo! =A0We have a winner. =A0There are a myriad of very real problems t=
hat we
> have to deal with and some of them represent an immediate threat to us an=
d
> our way of life. =A0However, "global warming" isn't one of them. =A0Even =
=A0if the
> whole global warming scam hadn't been a lot of bull shit, no one alive
> today, or their children, or their children or their children would have
> ever been alive to see it. =A0The fact is ol' lard ass Al Gore made a qui=
ck
> $100M while living in a mansion, traveling in a convoy of gas-guzzling SU=
Vs
> and flying around in his private jet telling a bunch of liberal idiots th=
ey
> need to eat less, live colder and ride bicycles.
>
> Irish Mike

Jep, the rest of this topic is pure masturbation.

Look how smart I am I can see though the allegory!!!

All we need is a bit of hemp then have bio fuels, construction
materials, paper, plastics, food, fertiliser and oxygen.

Look how conditioned people are under that heading.

It's just to laugh about.

________
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

Date: 23 Dec 2008 07:12:06
From: Michael Coburn
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:28:14 -0500, V for Vendicar wrote:

> "Michael Coburn" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote
>>Quality of life matters.
>
> Then why are you a wage slave?

I'm not.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

Date: 23 Dec 2008 19:07:20
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:28:14 -0500, V for Vendicar wrote:
>
>> "Michael Coburn" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote
>>>Quality of life matters.
>>
>> Then why are you a wage slave?

"Michael Coburn" <mikcob@verizon.net > wrote
> I'm not.

Ah, another welfare bum.

Date: 22 Dec 2008 20:51:29
From: RichD
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 21, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> >>>>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>
> It's over because it turns out the data they were using
> to predict global warming was flawed and now
> scientists are starting to distance themselves from
> the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
> still pushing it.

What???? Would Tom Cruise and Steven
Spielberg and Barbara Streisand lie about
a thing like that, where they want to save
you and the poor and the whole world?

Next, you'll tell me that Jane Fonda isn't
a nutritional scientist...

> Fact is, global warming became a religious crusade
> for the lunatic liberal left. =A0It also became big business. =A0
> The good news is that the ring master of this scam -
> ol' lard ass Al - made his $100M and is still living in
> his mansion, traveling in convoys of
> gas-guzzling SUVs and flying in his private jet while
> he lectures dim wits
> like you on eating less, living colder and riding bicycles.

hey hey hey, that's unfair... Algore has
cut a big check to a guilt mongering power
trip 'green' organization (non-profit, of
course) - who deserve the fruit of your labor
cuz you're greedy and they aren't - this
atones for his 'carbon footprint' and proves
he's holier than thou...

You'd like Bjorn Lomborg's commentary
on this topic... "the skeptical environmentalist"
He does a mind bending thing called 'cost/benefit
analysis' (which the left wingers call
conservative racism).

--
Rich

Date: 22 Dec 2008 06:58:25
From: Michael Coburn
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0600, Susan wrote:

> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:Q4v3l.8609$W06.4311@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:c9u3l.50532$mY6.38802@newsfe10.iad...
>>>
>>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>>> news:d4u3l.1982$X05.1262@newsfe03.iad...
>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Your appeal to authority is John Stossel, lol. Isn't he one of those
>>>> libtard news peddlers you guys always are yelling about?
>>>
>>> I posted that because I figured it was simple enough for you to figure
>>> out.
>>>
>>> See if you can understand these.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/
christopherbooker/3563532/The-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html
>>>
>>> http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121486841811817591.html
>>>
>>> http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx
>>
>> Good articles lass. As I said, global warming was never a problem,
>> just a big scam. Now it's been replaced with an even bigger scam
>> called "bail outs". Of course you'll still have some hard core idiots
>> listening to ol' lard ass Al and the ones who have jobs that depend on
>> the global warming scam staying alive but, for every one else, global
>> warming is about as important as the global freezing hysteria of the
>> 1970s.
>
> Here's one from Al Gores team
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html

I think the fact that this thread is in sci.econ as opposed to sci.energy
or something is a testimonial to the fact that is has become a political
football as opposed to anything scientific. For my own self I can't seem
to take a side on this GW deal and never have. I see social democracy as
the best ideological compromise and want to move along. In that regard I
would like to see a lot more of the tax burden in the USA on petroleum
and on import duties. And I have no objection to a carbon tax that gets
both crude and coal. My own position is one of rebuilding the economic
strength of the USA by getting off the oil teat and at the same time not
having acid for rain. Global warming for me is like spotted owls: If I
have to hang a few spotted owls from the limbs of those gorgeous huge
tress to keep the morons away then I'll do it. Quality of life matters.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

Date: 22 Dec 2008 16:28:14
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Michael Coburn" <mikcob@verizon.net > wrote
>Quality of life matters.

Then why are you a wage slave?

Date: 21 Dec 2008 10:48:46
From: gabydewilde
Subject: how the scam works

On Dec 20, 7:56=A0am, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>
> --
> Rich

We can fix the environment quite easily.

Hemp fearmongering is a good example. Hemp served mankind for
thousands of years, nature used to convert deserts into forests.
Taking it out of the loop kills the loop, no maybe here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC04z1Si4oQg

The Gore trick works like this:

You create imaginary motivations for a real problem.

Then you have others attack the imaginary motivations.

People will eventually see the imaginary motivations are fake.

The debate perpetuates forever while nothing happens.

Like Gore talks about rising sea levels while we are chopping down all
the trees and preventing deserts from becoming green.

Normally, oxygen comprises 21% of our air at sea level. If this
percentage falls below 5%, serious consequences. For instance, there
have been reports of oxygen levels in the 6 to 7% percent range in
Tokyo. All possible diseases become more harmful from lack of oxygen.
In Tibet everyone with a weak heart just dies, this way man can
"adapt" to gradually decreasing oxygen levels but not as fast as it's
currently going. The amount of thoughts a person has scales perfectly
with the atmospheric oxygen levels. Eventually one will just drop dead
forgetting how to breath.

The idea we can have billions of people, cut down all the green and
refuse to grow anything to replace it is far more idiotic than the
carbon emissions or so called global warming.

Date: 21 Dec 2008 19:07:35
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: how the scam works

"gabydewilde" <fototour@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:a51291f4-df32-47f4-8ee6-f062829d45b9@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 20, 7:56 am, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>
> --
> Rich

We can fix the environment quite easily.

Hemp fearmongering is a good example. Hemp served mankind for
thousands of years, nature used to convert deserts into forests.
Taking it out of the loop kills the loop, no maybe here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C04z1Si4oQg

The Gore trick works like this:

You create imaginary motivations for a real problem.

Then you have others attack the imaginary motivations.

People will eventually see the imaginary motivations are fake.

The debate perpetuates forever while nothing happens.

Like Gore talks about rising sea levels while we are chopping down all
the trees and preventing deserts from becoming green.

Normally, oxygen comprises 21% of our air at sea level. If this
percentage falls below 5%, serious consequences. For instance, there
have been reports of oxygen levels in the 6 to 7% percent range in
Tokyo. All possible diseases become more harmful from lack of oxygen.
In Tibet everyone with a weak heart just dies, this way man can
"adapt" to gradually decreasing oxygen levels but not as fast as it's
currently going. The amount of thoughts a person has scales perfectly
with the atmospheric oxygen levels. Eventually one will just drop dead
forgetting how to breath.

The idea we can have billions of people, cut down all the green and
refuse to grow anything to replace it is far more idiotic than the
carbon emissions or so called global warming.

Bingo! We have a winner. There are a myriad of very real problems that we
have to deal with and some of them represent an immediate threat to us and
our way of life. However, "global warming" isn't one of them. Even if the
whole global warming scam hadn't been a lot of bull shit, no one alive
today, or their children, or their children or their children would have
ever been alive to see it. The fact is ol' lard ass Al Gore made a quick
$100M while living in a mansion, traveling in a convoy of gas-guzzling SUVs
and flying around in his private jet telling a bunch of liberal idiots they
need to eat less, live colder and ride bicycles.

Irish Mike

Date: 21 Dec 2008 15:12:32
From: Uncle Al
Subject: Re: how the scam works

gabydewilde wrote:
>
> On Dec 20, 7:56 am, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > .... global warming is no longer a problem.
> >
> > --
> > Rich
>
> We can fix the environment quite easily.
>
> Hemp fearmongering is a good example.
[snipc rap]

Hard to see how a stoned snail darter fixes anything, ditto a stoned
Furbish lousewort or a stoned giant flying vampire toad.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

Date: 20 Dec 2008 14:28:24
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

RichD wrote:
> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>
> --
> Rich
>

That's nice.

Date: 20 Dec 2008 12:10:47
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com > wrote in message
news:ci73l.488595$yE1.331691@attbi_s21...
> RichD wrote:
>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>>
>> --
>> Rich
>>
>
> That's nice.

Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam that got
replaced by an even bigger scam called "bail outs".

Irish Mike

Date: 22 Dec 2008 16:26:24
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote
> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam

Like Aids, the Plague and the myths about Irish Drunks.

Date: 22 Dec 2008 22:02:32
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House@hotmail.com > wrote
in message news:_BT3l.11$ib.9@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote
>> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam
>
> Like Aids, the Plague and the myths about Irish Drunks.

With one difference. Aids, the Plague and myths about Irish drunks are
real. The only real thing about global warming was the $96M ol' lard ass Al
made selling it to guys like you. Seriously bucko. Al Gore lives in a
mansion, he travels in convoys of gas-guzzling SUVs and flies around in
private jets while telling the "global-warming-faithful" to eat less, live
colder and ride bicycles. Didn't that ever strike you as just a little,
teeny, weeny bit nuts? Global warming was the biggest scam ever pulled on
the American people - until the government came up with "bail outs".

Irish Mike

Date: 21 Dec 2008 08:56:36
From: jmfbahciv
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

Irish Mike wrote:
> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:ci73l.488595$yE1.331691@attbi_s21...
>> RichD wrote:
>>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich
>>>
>> That's nice.
>
> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam

Not quite. You need to discover Al Gore's hidden motives.

>that got
> replaced by an even bigger scam called "bail outs".

How else is Congress going to pick your cupboard bare.

/BAH

Date: 21 Dec 2008 09:07:36
From: mccard
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol > wrote in message
news:gilhh44f50@news1.newsguy.com...
> Irish Mike wrote:
>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>> news:ci73l.488595$yE1.331691@attbi_s21...
>>> RichD wrote:
>>>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>> That's nice.
>>
>> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam
>
> Not quite. You need to discover Al Gore's hidden motives.
>
>>that got replaced by an even bigger scam called "bail outs".
>
> How else is Congress going to pick your cupboard bare.
>
>
Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
indicator if ever there was one.

Date: 22 Dec 2008 07:04:19
From: jmfbahciv
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

mccard wrote:
>
> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> news:gilhh44f50@news1.newsguy.com...
>> Irish Mike wrote:
>>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ci73l.488595$yE1.331691@attbi_s21...
>>>> RichD wrote:
>>>>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>> That's nice.
>>>
>>> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam
>>
>> Not quite. You need to discover Al Gore's hidden motives.
>>
>>> that got replaced by an even bigger scam called "bail outs".
>>
>> How else is Congress going to pick your cupboard bare.
>>
>>
> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a
> global indicator if ever there was one.

That's the desert. It does snow in deserts occasionally.

/BAH

Date: 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
news:kZs3l.8065$cL7.7650@newsfe22.iad...
>
> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> news:gilhh44f50@news1.newsguy.com...
>> Irish Mike wrote:
>>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ci73l.488595$yE1.331691@attbi_s21...
>>>> RichD wrote:
>>>>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>> That's nice.
>>>
>>> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam
>>
>> Not quite. You need to discover Al Gore's hidden motives.
>>
>>>that got replaced by an even bigger scam called "bail outs".
>>
>> How else is Congress going to pick your cupboard bare.
>>
>>
> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
> indicator if ever there was one.

No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
still pushing it.
Fact is, global warming became a religious crusade for the lunatic liberal
left. It also became big business. If the whole global warming scam is
publicly debunked, thousands of people will lose their global warming
related jobs.
The good news is that the ring master of this scam - ol' lard ass Al - made
his $100M and is still living in his mansion, traveling in convoys of
gas-guzzling SUVs and flying in his private jet while he lectures dim wits
like you on eating less, living colder and riding bicycles.

Irish Mike
tor the
>

Date: 24 Dec 2008 02:31:31
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
<mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:

>> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
>> indicator if ever there was one.
>
>No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>still pushing it.

As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
according to Sean Hannity. But the scientists at the US Climate
Change Science program happen to see it diffently. What a shocker!:

------------------------
WHAT IS CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE UNITED STATES?

Studies that rigorously quantify the effect of different external
influences on observed changes (attribution studies) conclude that
most of the recent global warming is very likely due to
human-generated increases in greenhouse gas concentrations.

IT IS LIKELY THAT THERE HAS BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL HUMAN CONTRIBUTION TO
SURFACE TEMPERATURE INCREASES IN NORTH AMERICA.

Attribution studies also show that it is likely that there has been a
substantial human contribution to surface temperature increases
in North America, though attribution of the drivers of long-term
temperature changes on time scales of less than 50 years and at
regional scales, with limited exceptions, has not yet been
established.

Discernible human influences also extend to additional aspects of
climate, including the recent decreases in Arctic sea ice extent,
patterns of sea-level pressure and winds, and the global scale pattern
of land precipitation.
----------------------------

http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/scientific-assessment/6-SA-FAQ-LO-RES.pdf

Date: 24 Dec 2008 07:13:36
From: jmfbahciv
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

Pepe Papon wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
>>> indicator if ever there was one.
>> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>> still pushing it.
>
> As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
> according to Sean Hannity. But the scientists at the US Climate
> Change Science program

What is each scientist's expertise? Who is funding that program?
How much money are they getting for producing the right reports?

<snip >

Date: 24 Dec 2008 23:23:07
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:13:36 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol > wrote:

>Pepe Papon wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
>>>> indicator if ever there was one.
>>> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>>> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>>> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>>> still pushing it.
>>
>> As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
>> according to Sean Hannity. But the scientists at the US Climate
>> Change Science program
>
>What is each scientist's expertise? Who is funding that program?
>How much money are they getting for producing the right reports?

I gave you the link, you lazy SOB. Look it up yourself. Hint: the
site is called www.climatescience.gov. Get it? "....gov".

Date: 25 Dec 2008 08:54:49
From: jmfbahciv
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

Pepe Papon wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:13:36 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>
>> Pepe Papon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>>> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
>>>>> indicator if ever there was one.
>>>> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>>>> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>>>> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>>>> still pushing it.
>>> As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
>>> according to Sean Hannity. But the scientists at the US Climate
>>> Change Science program
>> What is each scientist's expertise? Who is funding that program?
>> How much money are they getting for producing the right reports?
>
> I gave you the link, you lazy SOB. Look it up yourself. Hint: the
> site is called www.climatescience.gov. Get it? "....gov".

hint: Anybody can create that. I was wondering if you always
assume that anything called *.gov or whatever gives all the facts,
if any.

/BAH

Date: 25 Dec 2008 18:23:15
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:54:49 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol > wrote:

>Pepe Papon wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:13:36 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>>
>>> Pepe Papon wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:07:17 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>>>> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
>>>>>> indicator if ever there was one.
>>>>> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>>>>> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>>>>> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>>>>> still pushing it.
>>>> As usual, Mike is right on top of things, citing the latest facts
>>>> according to Sean Hannity. But the scientists at the US Climate
>>>> Change Science program
>>> What is each scientist's expertise? Who is funding that program?
>>> How much money are they getting for producing the right reports?
>>
>> I gave you the link, you lazy SOB. Look it up yourself. Hint: the
>> site is called www.climatescience.gov. Get it? "....gov".
>
>hint: Anybody can create that. I was wondering if you always
>assume that anything called *.gov or whatever gives all the facts,
>if any.
>
>/BAH

In other words, you didn't bother to follow the link. Sorry, bucko,
I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Date: 24 Dec 2008 08:20:57
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol > wrote in message
news:git8jq82kef@news4.newsguy.com...

> How much money are they getting for producing the right reports?
>
> <snip>

not sure, but probably not as much as Al Gore got for the now debunked Nobel
Prize set-up.

Date: 25 Dec 2008 08:56:16
From: jmfbahciv
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

Susan wrote:
> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> news:git8jq82kef@news4.newsguy.com...
>
>
>> How much money are they getting for producing the right reports?
>>
>> <snip>
>
> not sure, but probably not as much as Al Gore got for the now debunked Nobel
> Prize set-up.

Who is the public superstar for this fad....

/BAH

Date: 23 Dec 2008 19:06:06
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote
> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
> still pushing it.

Ahahahahaahah....... Delusional comments from a drunk.

Here are the global average temperatures since 1958. "o" = trend line.

Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.

And most recently the rate of increase is about 2'C per century.

View with mono spaced font.

1958 14.08 *******o***************
1959 14.06 ********o************
1960 13.99 *********o******
1961 14.08 **********o************
1962 14.04 ***********o********
1963 14.08 ************o**********
1964 13.79 **===========o
1965 13.89 *********====o
1966 13.97 **************o
1967 14.00 ***************o*
1968 13.96 **************==o
1969 14.08 *****************o*****
1970 14.03 ******************o
1971 13.90 **********=========o
1972 14.00 *****************===o
1973 14.14 ********************o******
1974 13.92 ***********==========o
1975 13.95 *************=========o
1976 13.84 ******=================o
1977 14.13 ************************o*
1978 14.02 ******************=======o
1979 14.09 ***********************===o
1980 14.18 ***************************o**
1981 14.27 ****************************o*******
1982 14.05 ********************========o
1983 14.26 *****************************o*****
1984 14.09 ***********************=======o
1985 14.06 *********************==========o
1986 14.13 **************************======o
1987 14.27 *********************************o**
1988 14.31 **********************************o****
1989 14.19 ******************************=====o
1990 14.38 ************************************o*******
1991 14.35 ************************************o****
1992 14.12 *************************============o
1993 14.14 ****************************===========o
1994 14.24 **********************************=====o
1995 14.38 ****************************************o***
1996 14.30 **************************************===o
1997 14.40 ******************************************o**
1998 14.57 *******************************************o*************
1999 14.33 ****************************************===o
2000 14.33 ****************************************====o
2001 14.48 *********************************************o*****
2002 14.56 **********************************************o*********
2003 14.55 ***********************************************o*******
2004 14.49 ************************************************o**
2005 14.62 *************************************************o**********
2006 14.54 **************************************************o****
2007 14.56 ***************************************************o*****
------------------------------------------- > Temperature

Correlation Coefficient .8529209

Source NASAS - >
http://data.giss.nasa.gov:80/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VMu14mBXAs

Date: 23 Dec 2008 19:16:39
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House@hotmail.com > wrote
in message news:J1f4l.35$5b.18@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote
>> No bucko. It's over because it turns out the data they were using to
>> predict global warming was flawed and now scientists are starting to
>> distance themselves from the hardcore nut cases and opportunists that are
>> still pushing it.
>
> Ahahahahaahah....... Delusional comments from a drunk.
>
>
> Here are the global average temperatures since 1958. "o" = trend line.
>
> Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.
>
> And most recently the rate of increase is about 2'C per century.

Pay attention numb nuts. The earth is millions of years old and we've been
keeping climate records for about 100 years. Not to mention the fact that
the global warming idiots have been misreading the extremely limited data
they do have. Global warming is a scam and reputable scientists are
exposing it for exactly what it is. Better find a new liberal cause bucko,
because that global warming dog won't hunt any more.

Irish Mike

Date: 21 Dec 2008 09:51:54
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

Date: 21 Dec 2008 10:23:11
From: mccard
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:pCt3l.3247$hr3.249@newsfe01.iad...
>
> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
> news:kZs3l.8065$cL7.7650@newsfe22.iad...
>>
>> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
>> news:gilhh44f50@news1.newsguy.com...
>>> Irish Mike wrote:
>>>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ci73l.488595$yE1.331691@attbi_s21...
>>>>> RichD wrote:
>>>>>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's nice.
>>>>
>>>> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam
>>>
>>> Not quite. You need to discover Al Gore's hidden motives.
>>>
>>>>that got replaced by an even bigger scam called "bail outs".
>>>
>>> How else is Congress going to pick your cupboard bare.
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah, global warming is so over, because it snowed in Las Vegas, a global
>> indicator if ever there was one.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI
>>
>
Your appeal to authority is John Stossel, lol. Isn't he one of those
libtard news peddlers you guys always are yelling about?

Date: 21 Dec 2008 10:29:00
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
news:d4u3l.1982$X05.1262@newsfe03.iad...

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI
>>>
>>
> Your appeal to authority is John Stossel, lol. Isn't he one of those
> libtard news peddlers you guys always are yelling about?

I posted that because I figured it was simple enough for you to figure out.

See if you can understand these.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3563532/The-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121486841811817591.html

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx

Date: 21 Dec 2008 12:32:27
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:c9u3l.50532$mY6.38802@newsfe10.iad...
>
> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
> news:d4u3l.1982$X05.1262@newsfe03.iad...
>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI
>>>>
>>>
>> Your appeal to authority is John Stossel, lol. Isn't he one of those
>> libtard news peddlers you guys always are yelling about?
>
> I posted that because I figured it was simple enough for you to figure
> out.
>
> See if you can understand these.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3563532/The-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html
>
> http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121486841811817591.html
>
> http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx

Good articles lass. As I said, global warming was never a problem, just a
big scam. Now it's been replaced with an
even bigger scam called "bail outs". Of course you'll still have some hard
core idiots listening to ol' lard ass Al and the ones who have jobs that
depend on the global warming scam staying alive but, for every one else,
global warming is about as important as the global freezing hysteria of the
1970s.

Irish Mike

Date: 21 Dec 2008 11:44:08
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:Q4v3l.8609$W06.4311@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:c9u3l.50532$mY6.38802@newsfe10.iad...
>>
>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>> news:d4u3l.1982$X05.1262@newsfe03.iad...
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Your appeal to authority is John Stossel, lol. Isn't he one of those
>>> libtard news peddlers you guys always are yelling about?
>>
>> I posted that because I figured it was simple enough for you to figure
>> out.
>>
>> See if you can understand these.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3563532/The-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121486841811817591.html
>>
>> http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx
>
> Good articles lass. As I said, global warming was never a problem, just a
> big scam. Now it's been replaced with an
> even bigger scam called "bail outs". Of course you'll still have some
> hard core idiots listening to ol' lard ass Al and the ones who have jobs
> that depend on the global warming scam staying alive but, for every one
> else, global warming is about as important as the global freezing hysteria
> of the 1970s.

Here's one from Al Gores team

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html

Date: 21 Dec 2008 13:02:00
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0600, "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net >
wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------
>
>Here's one from Al Gores team
>
>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html
>

Here is an update from a site that I just found now.
It deals with C02 levels from the past, present and future.

http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/2008/12/have-we-been-misled-about-past-carbon.html

Thursday, December 11, 2008
Have We Been Misled About Past Carbon Dioxide Levels?
There are many reasons why atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, from
any source, do not control the Earth's climate. However, most of us
assume that measures and estimates of past levels of CO2 are accurate.
New evidence shows that may not be the case. If this is true, why have
we been misled? If we have been misled about the temperature history,
and there is much evidence suggesting we have been, why not historical
CO2 levels?
Peter

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------
In a paper submitted to the Hearing before the US Senate Committee on
Commerce, Science, and Transportation Professor Zbigniew Jaworowski
explains,
The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of
CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on
glaciological studies, is false.”

Ice cores provide the historic record and data collected at Mauna Loa
the recent record. Both records are drastically modified to produce a
smooth continuous curve with little variability. This was necessary to
confirm the evidence falsely concluded from many 19th century measures
that pre-industrial levels were approximately 280 ppm and didn’t vary
much. So how did they engineer the smooth curves and ignore the fact
the 19th century record shows a global average of 335 ppm and
considerable variability from year to year.

Most people don’t know that thousands of direct measures of
atmospheric CO2 were made beginning in 1812. Scientists took the
readings with calibrated instruments and precise measurements as the
work of Ernst-Georg Beck has thoroughly documented. Guy Stewart
Callendar was an earlier visitor to these records. He rejected most of
the records including 69% of the 19th century records and only
selected certain records that established the pre-industrial level as
280 ppm. Here is a plot of the records with those Callendar selections
circled.
It is clear how only low readings were chosen. Also notice how the
slope and trend is changed compared to the entire record.

As Jaworowski notes,
“The notion of low pre-industrial CO2 atmospheric level, based on such
poor knowledge, became a widely accepted Holy Grail of climate warming
models. The modelers ignored the evidence from direct measurements of
CO2 in atmospheric air indicating that in 19th century its average
concentration was 335 ppmv.”

Beck recently confirmed Jaworowski’s research. A September 2008
article in Energy and Environment examined the readings in great
detail and validated the 19th century findings. In a devastating
conclusion Beck writes,
Modern greenhouse hypothesis is based on the work of G.S. Callendar
and C.D. Keeling, following S. Arrhenius, as latterly popularized by
the IPCC. Review of available literature raise the question if these
authors have systematically discarded a large number of valid
technical papers and older atmospheric CO2 determinations because they
did not fit their hypothesis? Obviously they use only a few carefully
selected values from the older literature, invariably choosing results
that are consistent with the hypothesis of an induced rise of CO2 in
air caused by the burning of fossil fuel.

So the pre-industrial level is at least 50 ppm higher than the level
put into the computer models that produce all future climate
predictions. The models also incorrectly assume uniform atmospheric
global distribution and virtually no variability of CO2 from year to
year.
Beck found, “Since 1812, the CO2 concentration in northern hemispheric
air has fluctuated exhibiting three high level maxima around 1825,
1857 and 1942 the latter showing more than 400 ppm.” Here is a plot
from Beck comparing 19th century readings with ice core and Mauna Loa
data.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------

For shure, I am not knowledgeable enough about scientific research to
give an opinion on the validity of claims about the amounts of C02 in
the atmosphere over the years.

I have to be content to sit here and tweak the noses of AlGore's
Followers, as he issues his pronouncements to the Faithful.

Date: 21 Dec 2008 13:35:26
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:t63tk4prvo698go42vpi0reqhvuqra2i1e@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0600, "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------
>>
>>Here's one from Al Gores team
>>
>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html
>>
>
> Here is an update from a site that I just found now.
> It deals with C02 levels from the past, present and future.
>
> http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/2008/12/have-we-been-misled-about-past-carbon.html
>
> Thursday, December 11, 2008
> Have We Been Misled About Past Carbon Dioxide Levels?
> There are many reasons why atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, from
> any source, do not control the Earth's climate. However, most of us
> assume that measures and estimates of past levels of CO2 are accurate.
> New evidence shows that may not be the case. If this is true, why have
> we been misled? If we have been misled about the temperature history,
> and there is much evidence suggesting we have been, why not historical
> CO2 levels?
> Peter
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------
> In a paper submitted to the Hearing before the US Senate Committee on
> Commerce, Science, and Transportation Professor Zbigniew Jaworowski
> explains,
> The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
> on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of
> CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on
> glaciological studies, is false."
>
> Ice cores provide the historic record and data collected at Mauna Loa
> the recent record. Both records are drastically modified to produce a
> smooth continuous curve with little variability. This was necessary to
> confirm the evidence falsely concluded from many 19th century measures
> that pre-industrial levels were approximately 280 ppm and didn't vary
> much. So how did they engineer the smooth curves and ignore the fact
> the 19th century record shows a global average of 335 ppm and
> considerable variability from year to year.
>
> Most people don't know that thousands of direct measures of
> atmospheric CO2 were made beginning in 1812. Scientists took the
> readings with calibrated instruments and precise measurements as the
> work of Ernst-Georg Beck has thoroughly documented. Guy Stewart
> Callendar was an earlier visitor to these records. He rejected most of
> the records including 69% of the 19th century records and only
> selected certain records that established the pre-industrial level as
> 280 ppm. Here is a plot of the records with those Callendar selections
> circled.
> It is clear how only low readings were chosen. Also notice how the
> slope and trend is changed compared to the entire record.
>
> As Jaworowski notes,
> "The notion of low pre-industrial CO2 atmospheric level, based on such
> poor knowledge, became a widely accepted Holy Grail of climate warming
> models. The modelers ignored the evidence from direct measurements of
> CO2 in atmospheric air indicating that in 19th century its average
> concentration was 335 ppmv."
>
> Beck recently confirmed Jaworowski's research. A September 2008
> article in Energy and Environment examined the readings in great
> detail and validated the 19th century findings. In a devastating
> conclusion Beck writes,
> Modern greenhouse hypothesis is based on the work of G.S. Callendar
> and C.D. Keeling, following S. Arrhenius, as latterly popularized by
> the IPCC. Review of available literature raise the question if these
> authors have systematically discarded a large number of valid
> technical papers and older atmospheric CO2 determinations because they
> did not fit their hypothesis? Obviously they use only a few carefully
> selected values from the older literature, invariably choosing results
> that are consistent with the hypothesis of an induced rise of CO2 in
> air caused by the burning of fossil fuel.
>
> So the pre-industrial level is at least 50 ppm higher than the level
> put into the computer models that produce all future climate
> predictions. The models also incorrectly assume uniform atmospheric
> global distribution and virtually no variability of CO2 from year to
> year.
> Beck found, "Since 1812, the CO2 concentration in northern hemispheric
> air has fluctuated exhibiting three high level maxima around 1825,
> 1857 and 1942 the latter showing more than 400 ppm." Here is a plot
> from Beck comparing 19th century readings with ice core and Mauna Loa
> data.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------
>
> For shure, I am not knowledgeable enough about scientific research to
> give an opinion on the validity of claims about the amounts of C02 in
> the atmosphere over the years.
>
> I have to be content to sit here and tweak the noses of AlGore's
> Followers, as he issues his pronouncements to the Faithful.

I also saw somewhere (if need be, I'll find it) where an Australian newpaper
debunked that famous picture of a polar bear swimming with it's baby and no
where for them to land but an itty bitty ice cube. Turns out the picture
was taken during the summer when that is all there is where it was taken.
Of course American media failed to think the truth was newsworthy.

Date: 21 Dec 2008 14:40:10
From: mccard
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:YTw3l.10700$297.10496@newsfe23.iad...
>
> "FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com> wrote in message
> news:t63tk4prvo698go42vpi0reqhvuqra2i1e@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0600, "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------------------
>>>
>>>Here's one from Al Gores team
>>>
>>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html
>>>
>>
>> Here is an update from a site that I just found now.
>> It deals with C02 levels from the past, present and future.
>>
>> http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/2008/12/have-we-been-misled-about-past-carbon.html
>>
>> Thursday, December 11, 2008
>> Have We Been Misled About Past Carbon Dioxide Levels?
>> There are many reasons why atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, from
>> any source, do not control the Earth's climate. However, most of us
>> assume that measures and estimates of past levels of CO2 are accurate.
>> New evidence shows that may not be the case. If this is true, why have
>> we been misled? If we have been misled about the temperature history,
>> and there is much evidence suggesting we have been, why not historical
>> CO2 levels?
>> Peter
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------------
>> In a paper submitted to the Hearing before the US Senate Committee on
>> Commerce, Science, and Transportation Professor Zbigniew Jaworowski
>> explains,
>> The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
>> on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of
>> CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on
>> glaciological studies, is false."
>>
>> Ice cores provide the historic record and data collected at Mauna Loa
>> the recent record. Both records are drastically modified to produce a
>> smooth continuous curve with little variability. This was necessary to
>> confirm the evidence falsely concluded from many 19th century measures
>> that pre-industrial levels were approximately 280 ppm and didn't vary
>> much. So how did they engineer the smooth curves and ignore the fact
>> the 19th century record shows a global average of 335 ppm and
>> considerable variability from year to year.
>>
>> Most people don't know that thousands of direct measures of
>> atmospheric CO2 were made beginning in 1812. Scientists took the
>> readings with calibrated instruments and precise measurements as the
>> work of Ernst-Georg Beck has thoroughly documented. Guy Stewart
>> Callendar was an earlier visitor to these records. He rejected most of
>> the records including 69% of the 19th century records and only
>> selected certain records that established the pre-industrial level as
>> 280 ppm. Here is a plot of the records with those Callendar selections
>> circled.
>> It is clear how only low readings were chosen. Also notice how the
>> slope and trend is changed compared to the entire record.
>>
>> As Jaworowski notes,
>> "The notion of low pre-industrial CO2 atmospheric level, based on such
>> poor knowledge, became a widely accepted Holy Grail of climate warming
>> models. The modelers ignored the evidence from direct measurements of
>> CO2 in atmospheric air indicating that in 19th century its average
>> concentration was 335 ppmv."
>>
>> Beck recently confirmed Jaworowski's research. A September 2008
>> article in Energy and Environment examined the readings in great
>> detail and validated the 19th century findings. In a devastating
>> conclusion Beck writes,
>> Modern greenhouse hypothesis is based on the work of G.S. Callendar
>> and C.D. Keeling, following S. Arrhenius, as latterly popularized by
>> the IPCC. Review of available literature raise the question if these
>> authors have systematically discarded a large number of valid
>> technical papers and older atmospheric CO2 determinations because they
>> did not fit their hypothesis? Obviously they use only a few carefully
>> selected values from the older literature, invariably choosing results
>> that are consistent with the hypothesis of an induced rise of CO2 in
>> air caused by the burning of fossil fuel.
>>
>> So the pre-industrial level is at least 50 ppm higher than the level
>> put into the computer models that produce all future climate
>> predictions. The models also incorrectly assume uniform atmospheric
>> global distribution and virtually no variability of CO2 from year to
>> year.
>> Beck found, "Since 1812, the CO2 concentration in northern hemispheric
>> air has fluctuated exhibiting three high level maxima around 1825,
>> 1857 and 1942 the latter showing more than 400 ppm." Here is a plot
>> from Beck comparing 19th century readings with ice core and Mauna Loa
>> data.
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> For shure, I am not knowledgeable enough about scientific research to
>> give an opinion on the validity of claims about the amounts of C02 in
>> the atmosphere over the years.
>>
>> I have to be content to sit here and tweak the noses of AlGore's
>> Followers, as he issues his pronouncements to the Faithful.
>
> I also saw somewhere (if need be, I'll find it) where an Australian
> newpaper debunked that famous picture of a polar bear swimming with it's
> baby and no where for them to land but an itty bitty ice cube. Turns out
> the picture was taken during the summer when that is all there is where it
> was taken. Of course American media failed to think the truth was
> newsworthy.
>
>
So "debunking" algore means global warming is a myth. Irrelevant
conclusion.

Date: 21 Dec 2008 15:06:23
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
news:8Rx3l.58$an4.51@newsfe08.iad...
>
> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:YTw3l.10700$297.10496@newsfe23.iad...
>>
>> "FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com> wrote in message
>> news:t63tk4prvo698go42vpi0reqhvuqra2i1e@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0600, "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Here's one from Al Gores team
>>>>
>>>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Here is an update from a site that I just found now.
>>> It deals with C02 levels from the past, present and future.
>>>
>>> http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/2008/12/have-we-been-misled-about-past-carbon.html
>>>
>>> Thursday, December 11, 2008
>>> Have We Been Misled About Past Carbon Dioxide Levels?
>>> There are many reasons why atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, from
>>> any source, do not control the Earth's climate. However, most of us
>>> assume that measures and estimates of past levels of CO2 are accurate.
>>> New evidence shows that may not be the case. If this is true, why have
>>> we been misled? If we have been misled about the temperature history,
>>> and there is much evidence suggesting we have been, why not historical
>>> CO2 levels?
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------------------------
>>> In a paper submitted to the Hearing before the US Senate Committee on
>>> Commerce, Science, and Transportation Professor Zbigniew Jaworowski
>>> explains,
>>> The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and
>>> on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of
>>> CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on
>>> glaciological studies, is false."
>>>
>>> Ice cores provide the historic record and data collected at Mauna Loa
>>> the recent record. Both records are drastically modified to produce a
>>> smooth continuous curve with little variability. This was necessary to
>>> confirm the evidence falsely concluded from many 19th century measures
>>> that pre-industrial levels were approximately 280 ppm and didn't vary
>>> much. So how did they engineer the smooth curves and ignore the fact
>>> the 19th century record shows a global average of 335 ppm and
>>> considerable variability from year to year.
>>>
>>> Most people don't know that thousands of direct measures of
>>> atmospheric CO2 were made beginning in 1812. Scientists took the
>>> readings with calibrated instruments and precise measurements as the
>>> work of Ernst-Georg Beck has thoroughly documented. Guy Stewart
>>> Callendar was an earlier visitor to these records. He rejected most of
>>> the records including 69% of the 19th century records and only
>>> selected certain records that established the pre-industrial level as
>>> 280 ppm. Here is a plot of the records with those Callendar selections
>>> circled.
>>> It is clear how only low readings were chosen. Also notice how the
>>> slope and trend is changed compared to the entire record.
>>>
>>> As Jaworowski notes,
>>> "The notion of low pre-industrial CO2 atmospheric level, based on such
>>> poor knowledge, became a widely accepted Holy Grail of climate warming
>>> models. The modelers ignored the evidence from direct measurements of
>>> CO2 in atmospheric air indicating that in 19th century its average
>>> concentration was 335 ppmv."
>>>
>>> Beck recently confirmed Jaworowski's research. A September 2008
>>> article in Energy and Environment examined the readings in great
>>> detail and validated the 19th century findings. In a devastating
>>> conclusion Beck writes,
>>> Modern greenhouse hypothesis is based on the work of G.S. Callendar
>>> and C.D. Keeling, following S. Arrhenius, as latterly popularized by
>>> the IPCC. Review of available literature raise the question if these
>>> authors have systematically discarded a large number of valid
>>> technical papers and older atmospheric CO2 determinations because they
>>> did not fit their hypothesis? Obviously they use only a few carefully
>>> selected values from the older literature, invariably choosing results
>>> that are consistent with the hypothesis of an induced rise of CO2 in
>>> air caused by the burning of fossil fuel.
>>>
>>> So the pre-industrial level is at least 50 ppm higher than the level
>>> put into the computer models that produce all future climate
>>> predictions. The models also incorrectly assume uniform atmospheric
>>> global distribution and virtually no variability of CO2 from year to
>>> year.
>>> Beck found, "Since 1812, the CO2 concentration in northern hemispheric
>>> air has fluctuated exhibiting three high level maxima around 1825,
>>> 1857 and 1942 the latter showing more than 400 ppm." Here is a plot
>>> from Beck comparing 19th century readings with ice core and Mauna Loa
>>> data.
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> For shure, I am not knowledgeable enough about scientific research to
>>> give an opinion on the validity of claims about the amounts of C02 in
>>> the atmosphere over the years.
>>>
>>> I have to be content to sit here and tweak the noses of AlGore's
>>> Followers, as he issues his pronouncements to the Faithful.
>>
>> I also saw somewhere (if need be, I'll find it) where an Australian
>> newpaper debunked that famous picture of a polar bear swimming with it's
>> baby and no where for them to land but an itty bitty ice cube. Turns out
>> the picture was taken during the summer when that is all there is where
>> it was taken. Of course American media failed to think the truth was
>> newsworthy.
>>
>>
> So "debunking" algore means global warming is a myth. Irrelevant
> conclusion.

have you not read anything else in this thread?

Date: 21 Dec 2008 11:57:16
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0600, "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net >
wrote:

>
>"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>news:Q4v3l.8609$W06.4311@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:c9u3l.50532$mY6.38802@newsfe10.iad...
>>>
>>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>>> news:d4u3l.1982$X05.1262@newsfe03.iad...
>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Your appeal to authority is John Stossel, lol. Isn't he one of those
>>>> libtard news peddlers you guys always are yelling about?
>>>
>>> I posted that because I figured it was simple enough for you to figure
>>> out.
>>>
>>> See if you can understand these.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3563532/The-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html
>>>
>>> http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121486841811817591.html
>>>
>>> http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx
>>
>> Good articles lass. As I said, global warming was never a problem, just a
>> big scam. Now it's been replaced with an
>> even bigger scam called "bail outs". Of course you'll still have some
>> hard core idiots listening to ol' lard ass Al and the ones who have jobs
>> that depend on the global warming scam staying alive but, for every one
>> else, global warming is about as important as the global freezing hysteria
>> of the 1970s.
>
>Here's one from Al Gores team
>
>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html
>

Most excellent.

Thanks for the cite.

Date: 21 Dec 2008 10:33:13
From: mccard
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

Date: 21 Dec 2008 10:37:09
From: Susan
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
news:Cdu3l.13212$%z5.6518@newsfe09.iad...
>
> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:c9u3l.50532$mY6.38802@newsfe10.iad...
>>
>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>> news:d4u3l.1982$X05.1262@newsfe03.iad...
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJ5pHVKjiI
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Your appeal to authority is John Stossel, lol. Isn't he one of those
>>> libtard news peddlers you guys always are yelling about?
>>
>> I posted that because I figured it was simple enough for you to figure
>> out.
>>
>>
> ad hominem, lol. Your argumentation skills are nil like your grasp of the
> subject.

My argumentation skills are nil? Like your LOLing at anyone who disagrees
with you?

OK I get it. You didn't read the articles.

You go right on believing what you want.

Cya

Date: 21 Dec 2008 10:06:11
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol > wrote in message
news:gilhh44f50@news1.newsguy.com...
> Irish Mike wrote:
>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>> news:ci73l.488595$yE1.331691@attbi_s21...
>>> RichD wrote:
>>>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>> That's nice.
>>
>> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam
>
> Not quite. You need to discover Al Gore's hidden motives.

Based on what I've read, ol' lard ass Al had about $96,000,000.00 "hidden
motives"

Irish Mike
>
>>that got replaced by an even bigger scam called "bail outs".
>
> How else is Congress going to pick your cupboard bare.
>
> /BAH
>
>

Date: 23 Dec 2008 18:55:30
From: V for Vendicar
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote
> Based on what I've read, ol' lard ass Al had about $96,000,000.00 "hidden
> motives"

Well that's what you earn when you are an astute business man, win an
academy award and a Nobel Prize.

Sadly Irish Mike's only claim to fame is his nightly binge drinking and
the uncleaned vomit that remains behind his toilet.

Date: 23 Dec 2008 19:10:46
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House@hotmail.com > wrote
in message news:LTe4l.32$5b.29@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote
>> Based on what I've read, ol' lard ass Al had about $96,000,000.00 "hidden
>> motives"
>
> Well that's what you earn when you are an astute business man, win an
> academy award and a Nobel Prize.
>
> Sadly Irish Mike's only claim to fame is his nightly binge drinking and
> the uncleaned vomit that remains behind his toilet.

What are you, twelve years old? That lame crap is what passes for a witty
comment by your dimwitted standards?
You must be the funniest guy in your whole trailer park.

Irish Mike

Date: 24 Dec 2008 07:11:40
From: jmfbahciv
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

Irish Mike wrote:
> "V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House@hotmail.com> wrote
> in message news:LTe4l.32$5b.29@read1.cgocable.net...
>> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote
>>> Based on what I've read, ol' lard ass Al had about $96,000,000.00 "hidden
>>> motives"
>> Well that's what you earn when you are an astute business man, win an
>> academy award and a Nobel Prize.
>>
>> Sadly Irish Mike's only claim to fame is his nightly binge drinking and
>> the uncleaned vomit that remains behind his toilet.
>
> What are you, twelve years old?

No. He's European and a product of its welfare mentality.

/BAH

Date: 22 Dec 2008 07:03:45
From: jmfbahciv
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

Irish Mike wrote:
> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> news:gilhh44f50@news1.newsguy.com...
>> Irish Mike wrote:
>>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ci73l.488595$yE1.331691@attbi_s21...
>>>> RichD wrote:
>>>>> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>> That's nice.
>>> Global warming never was a problem. It was just a huge scam
>> Not quite. You need to discover Al Gore's hidden motives.
>
> Based on what I've read, ol' lard ass Al had about $96,000,000.00 "hidden
> motives"

there is that but he also has ideologies.

/BAH

Date: 20 Dec 2008 04:42:27
From: zzbunker
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 20, 1:56=A0am, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> .... global warming is no longer a problem.

The best thing about all of idiot economics is that reality has
never been a problem.
Which is really why the people with economic brains even
invented the Digital,
Fiber Optics, Holograms, CD, DVD, HDTV. Bioptical Computers,
GPS, Drones,
Post GM Robotics, and On-Line Publishing.

>
> --
> Rich

Date: 20 Dec 2008 04:10:35
From: tadchem
Subject: Re: the best thing about the financial crisis is....

On Dec 20, 1:56=A0am, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> .... global warming is no longer a problem.
>
> --
> Rich

Perhaps, but the pandemic of applied ignorance that created the
problem persists.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA