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Date: 10 Dec 19:21:43
From: Nick Wool
Subject: what happens now?
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What should I do here...? Bloody strong reraise to a blinds who checked
raised....
Real Money Ring Game Bee Season13416838-12786 Holdem No Limit$3/$6
Hand Start
Seat 1 : rileyp1 has $359.88
Seat 2 : Acehole666 has $434.50
Seat 3 : chaotic has $477.25
Seat 4 : highplaya has $576.78
Seat 5 : y1hoya has $231.49
Seat 6 : JohnyDrama has $561
rileyp1 is the dealer.
Acehole666 posted small blind
chaotic posted big blind.
Game [12786] started with 6 players
Dealing Hole Cards
Seat 3 : chaotic has 6s 5h
highplaya folded
y1hoya called $6
JohnyDrama folded
rileyp1 folded.
Acehole666 folded.
chaotic checked.
Dealing flop
Board cards [Ac 6h 5d]
chaotic checked.
y1hoya bet $12
chaotic called $12 and raised $24
y1hoya called $24 and raised $189.49 and is All-in
oops....Big ace? not really that likely given that he limped....Ace rags
(without hitting the kicker) or AA seems more likely, maybe 55 or 66, could also
be semi-bluffing with an open-ender, or a pair with the open-ender, with the
small possiblity of a total bluff.
Probably can rule out a set, unless he is that worried about the straight draw,
and he doesn't seem that clued-up to overbet the pot massively to make it look
like a bluff with a big hand. Nevertheless, a big bet to call with bottom
2, what do you think I should do?
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Date: 11 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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I am glad everyone said fold here....I agree, but got distracted by the wife,
and clicked 'call' by mistake...I bet no one could guess what he had.
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Date: 11 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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On Dec 11 2006 12:02 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
> I am glad everyone said fold here....I agree, but got distracted by the wife,
> and clicked 'call' by mistake...I bet no one could guess what he had.
>
>
9Q off...:-) And no suck out
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 23:27:47
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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There is some info I would like to have to make this decision easier.
Did this guy ever limp with a huge hand preflop in order to reraise? If
yes then its easier to fold. If no then its the same situation as youre
in. That limp is what has my attention here, aside from the big bet of
course. Does he have a habit of limping with weak aces? If yes then he
could have A5 or A6. Is he a bluffing fool? If yes then he could be
trying to run you off thinking this flop didnt help you. Is he addicted
to semibluffing? If yes then he could have the draw. With little info on
the player its a tougher decision. I would see it like this; if he is
bluffing then you can catch him later on. If he isnt bluffing then youre
beat. I say fold and get him later..
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 16:38:37
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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Nick Wool wrote:
> I am glad everyone said fold here....I agree, but got distracted by the wife,
> and clicked 'call' by mistake...I bet no one could guess what he had.
>
>
>
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 16:35:07
From: Voldo
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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78?
Stop leaving us in suspense Nick.
(Refrains from snide comments re Ashes)
Voldo
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On Dec 11 2006 9:32 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
> I am glad everyone said fold here....I agree, but got distracted by the wife,
> and clicked 'call' by mistake...I bet no one could guess what he had.
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Date: 10 Dec 23:51:28
From: Bryan Kimmes
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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On Dec 10 2006 1:21 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> What should I do here...? Bloody strong reraise to a blinds who checked
> raised....
>
> Real Money Ring Game Bee Season13416838-12786 Holdem No Limit$3/$6
> Hand Start
> Seat 1 : rileyp1 has $359.88
> Seat 2 : Acehole666 has $434.50
> Seat 3 : chaotic has $477.25
> Seat 4 : highplaya has $576.78
> Seat 5 : y1hoya has $231.49
> Seat 6 : JohnyDrama has $561
> rileyp1 is the dealer.
> Acehole666 posted small blind
> chaotic posted big blind.
> Game [12786] started with 6 players
> Dealing Hole Cards
> Seat 3 : chaotic has 6s 5h
> highplaya folded
> y1hoya called $6
> JohnyDrama folded
> rileyp1 folded.
> Acehole666 folded.
> chaotic checked.
> Dealing flop
> Board cards [Ac 6h 5d]
> chaotic checked.
> y1hoya bet $12
> chaotic called $12 and raised $24
> y1hoya called $24 and raised $189.49 and is All-in
>
> oops....Big ace? not really that likely given that he limped....Ace rags
> (without hitting the kicker) or AA seems more likely, maybe 55 or 66, could
> also
> be semi-bluffing with an open-ender, or a pair with the open-ender, with the
> small possiblity of a total bluff.
>
> Probably can rule out a set, unless he is that worried about the straight
> draw,
> and he doesn't seem that clued-up to overbet the pot massively to make it look
> like a bluff with a big hand. Nevertheless, a big bet to call with bottom
> 2, what do you think I should do?
>
Fold, this won't be AK very often, and even the few times it is AK, AQ, AJ.....
you will still lose, in the most painfull ways.
Bryan
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:40:57
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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On Dec 10 2006 2:21 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> What should I do here...? Bloody strong reraise to a blinds who checked
> raised....
>
> Real Money Ring Game Bee Season13416838-12786 Holdem No Limit$3/$6
> Hand Start
> Seat 1 : rileyp1 has $359.88
> Seat 2 : Acehole666 has $434.50
> Seat 3 : chaotic has $477.25
> Seat 4 : highplaya has $576.78
> Seat 5 : y1hoya has $231.49
> Seat 6 : JohnyDrama has $561
> rileyp1 is the dealer.
> Acehole666 posted small blind
> chaotic posted big blind.
> Game [12786] started with 6 players
> Dealing Hole Cards
> Seat 3 : chaotic has 6s 5h
> highplaya folded
> y1hoya called $6
> JohnyDrama folded
> rileyp1 folded.
> Acehole666 folded.
> chaotic checked.
> Dealing flop
> Board cards [Ac 6h 5d]
> chaotic checked.
> y1hoya bet $12
> chaotic called $12 and raised $24
> y1hoya called $24 and raised $189.49 and is All-in
>
> oops....Big ace? not really that likely given that he limped....Ace rags
> (without hitting the kicker) or AA seems more likely, maybe 55 or 66, could
also
> be semi-bluffing with an open-ender, or a pair with the open-ender, with the
> small possiblity of a total bluff.
>
> Probably can rule out a set, unless he is that worried about the straight
draw,
> and he doesn't seem that clued-up to overbet the pot massively to make it
look
> like a bluff with a big hand. Nevertheless, a big bet to call with bottom
> 2, what do you think I should do?
Release 'em. This is A5/A6, bro. AA wouldnt bet it this way nor would any
other set. You know it. I know it.
Easy fold.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:46:42
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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On Dec 10 2006 2:40 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> On Dec 10 2006 2:21 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> > What should I do here...? Bloody strong reraise to a blinds who checked
> > raised....
> >
> > Real Money Ring Game Bee Season13416838-12786 Holdem No Limit$3/$6
> > Hand Start
> > Seat 1 : rileyp1 has $359.88
> > Seat 2 : Acehole666 has $434.50
> > Seat 3 : chaotic has $477.25
> > Seat 4 : highplaya has $576.78
> > Seat 5 : y1hoya has $231.49
> > Seat 6 : JohnyDrama has $561
> > rileyp1 is the dealer.
> > Acehole666 posted small blind
> > chaotic posted big blind.
> > Game [12786] started with 6 players
> > Dealing Hole Cards
> > Seat 3 : chaotic has 6s 5h
> > highplaya folded
> > y1hoya called $6
> > JohnyDrama folded
> > rileyp1 folded.
> > Acehole666 folded.
> > chaotic checked.
> > Dealing flop
> > Board cards [Ac 6h 5d]
> > chaotic checked.
> > y1hoya bet $12
> > chaotic called $12 and raised $24
> > y1hoya called $24 and raised $189.49 and is All-in
> >
> > oops....Big ace? not really that likely given that he limped....Ace rags
> > (without hitting the kicker) or AA seems more likely, maybe 55 or 66, could
> also
> > be semi-bluffing with an open-ender, or a pair with the open-ender, with
the
> > small possiblity of a total bluff.
> >
> > Probably can rule out a set, unless he is that worried about the straight
> draw,
> > and he doesn't seem that clued-up to overbet the pot massively to make it
> look
> > like a bluff with a big hand. Nevertheless, a big bet to call with bottom
> > 2, what do you think I should do?
>
> Release 'em. This is A5/A6, bro. AA wouldnt bet it this way nor would any
> other set. You know it. I know it.
>
> Easy fold.
Same scenario but know you're holding A5. What do you do?
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Date: 10 Dec 20:11:36
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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On Dec 10 2006 7:46 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> On Dec 10 2006 2:40 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2006 2:21 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> >
> > > What should I do here...? Bloody strong reraise to a blinds who checked
> > > raised....
> > >
> > > Real Money Ring Game Bee Season13416838-12786 Holdem No Limit$3/$6
> > > Hand Start
> > > Seat 1 : rileyp1 has $359.88
> > > Seat 2 : Acehole666 has $434.50
> > > Seat 3 : chaotic has $477.25
> > > Seat 4 : highplaya has $576.78
> > > Seat 5 : y1hoya has $231.49
> > > Seat 6 : JohnyDrama has $561
> > > rileyp1 is the dealer.
> > > Acehole666 posted small blind
> > > chaotic posted big blind.
> > > Game [12786] started with 6 players
> > > Dealing Hole Cards
> > > Seat 3 : chaotic has 6s 5h
> > > highplaya folded
> > > y1hoya called $6
> > > JohnyDrama folded
> > > rileyp1 folded.
> > > Acehole666 folded.
> > > chaotic checked.
> > > Dealing flop
> > > Board cards [Ac 6h 5d]
> > > chaotic checked.
> > > y1hoya bet $12
> > > chaotic called $12 and raised $24
> > > y1hoya called $24 and raised $189.49 and is All-in
> > >
> > > oops....Big ace? not really that likely given that he limped....Ace rags
> > > (without hitting the kicker) or AA seems more likely, maybe 55 or 66,
> > > could
> > also
> > > be semi-bluffing with an open-ender, or a pair with the open-ender, with
> the
> > > small possiblity of a total bluff.
> > >
> > > Probably can rule out a set, unless he is that worried about the straight
> > draw,
> > > and he doesn't seem that clued-up to overbet the pot massively to make it
> > look
> > > like a bluff with a big hand. Nevertheless, a big bet to call with bottom
> > > 2, what do you think I should do?
> >
> > Release 'em. This is A5/A6, bro. AA wouldnt bet it this way nor would any
> > other set. You know it. I know it.
> >
> > Easy fold.
>
>
> Same scenario but know you're holding A5. What do you do?
If I had A5/A6 in his position, this would be my thinking: I have position, not
much draw on that board, so I'd raise it again to committe him more to the pot,
something in the region of 2X the checked raise...let him ponder what he should
do on the turn if he called my reraise at flop. Any bet by him at turn commits
him to the pot, check and he runs the risk of being bluffed out with a decent
hand.
I am not sure I would have pushed it allin on the flop...what do I hope to
acheive by that if I had Top and bottom?
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 12:56:58
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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On Dec 10 2006 3:11 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> On Dec 10 2006 7:46 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2006 2:40 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 10 2006 2:21 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> > >
> > > > What should I do here...? Bloody strong reraise to a blinds who
checked
> > > > raised....
> > > >
> > > > Real Money Ring Game Bee Season13416838-12786 Holdem No Limit$3/$6
> > > > Hand Start
> > > > Seat 1 : rileyp1 has $359.88
> > > > Seat 2 : Acehole666 has $434.50
> > > > Seat 3 : chaotic has $477.25
> > > > Seat 4 : highplaya has $576.78
> > > > Seat 5 : y1hoya has $231.49
> > > > Seat 6 : JohnyDrama has $561
> > > > rileyp1 is the dealer.
> > > > Acehole666 posted small blind
> > > > chaotic posted big blind.
> > > > Game [12786] started with 6 players
> > > > Dealing Hole Cards
> > > > Seat 3 : chaotic has 6s 5h
> > > > highplaya folded
> > > > y1hoya called $6
> > > > JohnyDrama folded
> > > > rileyp1 folded.
> > > > Acehole666 folded.
> > > > chaotic checked.
> > > > Dealing flop
> > > > Board cards [Ac 6h 5d]
> > > > chaotic checked.
> > > > y1hoya bet $12
> > > > chaotic called $12 and raised $24
> > > > y1hoya called $24 and raised $189.49 and is All-in
> > > >
> > > > oops....Big ace? not really that likely given that he limped....Ace
rags
> > > > (without hitting the kicker) or AA seems more likely, maybe 55 or 66,
> > > > could
> > > also
> > > > be semi-bluffing with an open-ender, or a pair with the open-ender,
with
> > the
> > > > small possiblity of a total bluff.
> > > >
> > > > Probably can rule out a set, unless he is that worried about the
straight
> > > draw,
> > > > and he doesn't seem that clued-up to overbet the pot massively to make
it
> > > look
> > > > like a bluff with a big hand. Nevertheless, a big bet to call with
bottom
> > > > 2, what do you think I should do?
> > >
> > > Release 'em. This is A5/A6, bro. AA wouldnt bet it this way nor would any
> > > other set. You know it. I know it.
> > >
> > > Easy fold.
> >
> >
> > Same scenario but know you're holding A5. What do you do?
>
> If I had A5/A6 in his position, this would be my thinking: I have position,
not
> much draw on that board, so I'd raise it again to committe him more to the
pot,
> something in the region of 2X the checked raise...let him ponder what he
should
> do on the turn if he called my reraise at flop. Any bet by him at turn
commits
> him to the pot, check and he runs the risk of being bluffed out with a decent
> hand.
>
> I am not sure I would have pushed it allin on the flop...what do I hope to
> acheive by that if I had Top and bottom?
Great question. If there were 3 ppl in the pot and the action went check,
bet, call then a shove would certainly make sense.
I think in this instance his shove was just an "OMG I'm gonna double up!"
reaction and bet.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:37:15
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: what happens now?
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On Dec 10 2006 12:21 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> What should I do here...? Bloody strong reraise to a blinds who checked
> raised....
>
> Real Money Ring Game Bee Season13416838-12786 Holdem No Limit$3/$6
> Hand Start
> Seat 1 : rileyp1 has $359.88
> Seat 2 : Acehole666 has $434.50
> Seat 3 : chaotic has $477.25
> Seat 4 : highplaya has $576.78
> Seat 5 : y1hoya has $231.49
> Seat 6 : JohnyDrama has $561
> rileyp1 is the dealer.
> Acehole666 posted small blind
> chaotic posted big blind.
> Game [12786] started with 6 players
> Dealing Hole Cards
> Seat 3 : chaotic has 6s 5h
> highplaya folded
> y1hoya called $6
> JohnyDrama folded
> rileyp1 folded.
> Acehole666 folded.
> chaotic checked.
> Dealing flop
> Board cards [Ac 6h 5d]
> chaotic checked.
> y1hoya bet $12
> chaotic called $12 and raised $24
> y1hoya called $24 and raised $189.49 and is All-in
>
> oops....Big ace? not really that likely given that he limped....Ace rags
> (without hitting the kicker) or AA seems more likely, maybe 55 or 66, could
also
> be semi-bluffing with an open-ender, or a pair with the open-ender, with the
> small possiblity of a total bluff.
>
> Probably can rule out a set, unless he is that worried about the straight
draw,
> and he doesn't seem that clued-up to overbet the pot massively to make it
look
> like a bluff with a big hand. Nevertheless, a big bet to call with bottom
> 2, what do you think I should do?
Unless you have a good read on a guy, bottom 2 pair is not really a hand
to go to war with for all your stack. Calling has to be -EV against any
somewhat sane opponent. AK is possible, though unlikely, but AA is
possible and somewhat likely (except that his play of the hand on the flop
was a bit strong), A6 and A5 are the most likely, IMO. The lower sets are
mathematically unlikely, but fit in well with the play of the hand. A
draw is very unlikely, unless you are playing against Doyle or one of his
loyal students.
Fell
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