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Date: 28 Nov 16:53:18
From: fulltiltsucks
Subject: read this about full tilt
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ok guys. listen up.
I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands each
day. Yesterday was my last day...
I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this happens to
me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is either
flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to you,
and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10 (whether
you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the previous
flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke. Since I
cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend to think
that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I play
each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
Now I combined this phenomenom with the fact that everytime after I have built a
healthy amount of money and cash out, I begin to lose any big potted hand I play
regardless of the odds. 2 and 3 outers on the river come continously without
fail. Runner runner seems inevitable.
Here is one way an online poker site can rig a game against winning players that
would go unnoticed by a stat keeper program. All it has to do is let you win a
certain amount of hands and lose a certain amount of hands, keeping the bad
beats to a minimum, right? If it does this a stat keeper will not have any
complaints. The way it gets you is to only allow the bad beats to occur on huge
hands where you are all in against a big stack and let your wins and suck outs
come on small pots. I have yet to see a program that takes the pot sizes into
consideration (maybe there is one I dont know?). This in my opinion is the most
important factor.
After all, think about it. Lets say you had the capacity to cheat a player in
real life at a home game. Would you cheat him by making him lose every hand? Or
would you let him win 90% of the hands and suck out on people for a few dollars
here and there; and then with that last 10% you give him the nuts on the flop
and an all-in caller who would turn and river a better hand. This hand would
make up for the 90% of hands won and leave the player broke. If that guy didnt
play at your home game very often, he would probably leave thinking that he
played really well but just got unlucky to a worse player. Your chances of being
called out on cheating go way down.
This folks is the Full Tilt strategy. I would bet my right arm on it. Like I
mentioned, last night was my Last night on any online poker game. I saw the same
patterns on partypoker and I dont know where it ends. I cant trust any of them.
I was up in total 1600 dollars on Tuesday. In 30 hours I am down 2000 dollars.
That is a swing of 3600 dollars in a little over one day. Considering I am
playing ultra conserative and 90% of the big pot hands I had the guy beat going
into the turn or river, I just dont see how someone can honestly get unlucky
that much. Plus, considering Ive been playing for years and the pattern seems
never ending, I think I should now come to my senses and let online poker go.
There is no money in it. Only violent stomach aches.
From the movie Casino you might recall Deniro's line that goes something like
this: "Some people will win small, some people will win big, BUT IN THE END, we
get it all..." I realize I really botched the beginning of that line so if
someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it. The point is he means that
the casinos will end up with all the money regardless of how individuals do on a
single night. Whats funny to me is, this philosophy is supposed to be for chance
games like craps, slots, and even blackjack. This rule is should not apply to a
skilled game like poker. Im afraid that online this rule does in fact apply to
poker. In the end, your money will be left on the tables and the rake will
slowly, over time, take it all from the tables and into the pockets of Chris
Ferguson and Howard Ledderer and the rest of the Full Tilt gang. I have no
respect for either of these "men" anymore and actually wish physical harm on
them. You would think two "legends" of poker would provide poker's backbone (all
of us) with a solid/fair playing environment.
These two and 5 other pros have sued the WPT (World Poker Tour) if you havent
heard. The early WPT was responsible for most of their financial successes and
the only reason why you or me have heard of any of them. Daniel Negreanu wrote a
blog in which he called these people greedy and vane. I tend to agree.
----
Please do not focus your attention on the last part of this post so much as you
do on the earlier. While playing, look for the patterns that I have seen. If you
play anywhere near as much as I do, you WILL see them.
Thanks for reading and good luck getting off these rigged tables. I admit it is
going to be hard for me to quit because I do love the game. Im fortunate enough
to have plenty of live games to keep me occupied.
These posts tend to get lambasted by the good ole moderators on this site.
Please do yourself a favor and ignore them. I am not trying to still contraversy
or start an arguement. I am getting nothing out of this post except the warm
feeling that I have maybe saved somebody some money. I am not getting payed
money for the Full Tilt adds on my website for example.
I dont mean this last paragraph to be insulting. Sorry if I was an ass.
Anyways thats all I got. Have a nice day. Hope your Thanksgivings were as good
as mine.
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Date: 28 Nov 18:24:01
From: jam88
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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Let me get this right. You play 10 hours a day online and see 1000's of hands
live each week as well.
Perhaps your problem is related to insomnia? Lack of sleep? Or you are an
attention whore poster looking to justify your dismal play online.
On Nov 28 2006 11:53 AM, fulltiltsucks wrote:
> ok guys. listen up.
>
> I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands each
> day. Yesterday was my last day...
>
> I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this happens
> to
> me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is either
> flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to you,
> and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
>
> Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10 (whether
> you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the previous
> flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
>
> Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke. Since
> I
> cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend to
> think
> that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I play
> each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
>
> Now I combined this phenomenom with the fact that everytime after I have built
> a
> healthy amount of money and cash out, I begin to lose any big potted hand I
> play
> regardless of the odds. 2 and 3 outers on the river come continously without
> fail. Runner runner seems inevitable.
>
> Here is one way an online poker site can rig a game against winning players
> that
> would go unnoticed by a stat keeper program. All it has to do is let you win a
> certain amount of hands and lose a certain amount of hands, keeping the bad
> beats to a minimum, right? If it does this a stat keeper will not have any
> complaints. The way it gets you is to only allow the bad beats to occur on
> huge
> hands where you are all in against a big stack and let your wins and suck outs
> come on small pots. I have yet to see a program that takes the pot sizes into
> consideration (maybe there is one I dont know?). This in my opinion is the
> most
> important factor.
>
> After all, think about it. Lets say you had the capacity to cheat a player in
> real life at a home game. Would you cheat him by making him lose every hand?
> Or
> would you let him win 90% of the hands and suck out on people for a few
> dollars
> here and there; and then with that last 10% you give him the nuts on the flop
> and an all-in caller who would turn and river a better hand. This hand would
> make up for the 90% of hands won and leave the player broke. If that guy didnt
> play at your home game very often, he would probably leave thinking that he
> played really well but just got unlucky to a worse player. Your chances of
> being
> called out on cheating go way down.
>
> This folks is the Full Tilt strategy. I would bet my right arm on it. Like I
> mentioned, last night was my Last night on any online poker game. I saw the
> same
> patterns on partypoker and I dont know where it ends. I cant trust any of
> them.
>
> I was up in total 1600 dollars on Tuesday. In 30 hours I am down 2000 dollars.
> That is a swing of 3600 dollars in a little over one day. Considering I am
> playing ultra conserative and 90% of the big pot hands I had the guy beat
> going
> into the turn or river, I just dont see how someone can honestly get unlucky
> that much. Plus, considering Ive been playing for years and the pattern seems
> never ending, I think I should now come to my senses and let online poker go.
> There is no money in it. Only violent stomach aches.
>
> From the movie Casino you might recall Deniro's line that goes something like
> this: "Some people will win small, some people will win big, BUT IN THE END,
> we
> get it all..." I realize I really botched the beginning of that line so if
> someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it. The point is he means that
> the casinos will end up with all the money regardless of how individuals do on
> a
> single night. Whats funny to me is, this philosophy is supposed to be for
> chance
> games like craps, slots, and even blackjack. This rule is should not apply to
> a
> skilled game like poker. Im afraid that online this rule does in fact apply to
> poker. In the end, your money will be left on the tables and the rake will
> slowly, over time, take it all from the tables and into the pockets of Chris
> Ferguson and Howard Ledderer and the rest of the Full Tilt gang. I have no
> respect for either of these "men" anymore and actually wish physical harm on
> them. You would think two "legends" of poker would provide poker's backbone
> (all
> of us) with a solid/fair playing environment.
>
> These two and 5 other pros have sued the WPT (World Poker Tour) if you havent
> heard. The early WPT was responsible for most of their financial successes and
> the only reason why you or me have heard of any of them. Daniel Negreanu wrote
> a
> blog in which he called these people greedy and vane. I tend to agree.
>
> ----
>
> Please do not focus your attention on the last part of this post so much as
> you
> do on the earlier. While playing, look for the patterns that I have seen. If
> you
> play anywhere near as much as I do, you WILL see them.
>
> Thanks for reading and good luck getting off these rigged tables. I admit it
> is
> going to be hard for me to quit because I do love the game. Im fortunate
> enough
> to have plenty of live games to keep me occupied.
>
> These posts tend to get lambasted by the good ole moderators on this site.
> Please do yourself a favor and ignore them. I am not trying to still
> contraversy
> or start an arguement. I am getting nothing out of this post except the warm
> feeling that I have maybe saved somebody some money. I am not getting payed
> money for the Full Tilt adds on my website for example.
>
> I dont mean this last paragraph to be insulting. Sorry if I was an ass.
>
> Anyways thats all I got. Have a nice day. Hope your Thanksgivings were as good
> as mine.
>
>
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 11:55:31
From: mccard
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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"fulltiltsucks" <43086578@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1164732798$912346@recpoker.com...
> ok guys. listen up.
>
> I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands
> each
> day. Yesterday was my last day...
>
> I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this
> happens to
> me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is
> either
> flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to
> you,
> and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
>
> Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10
> (whether
> you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the
> previous
> flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
>
> Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke.
> Since I
> cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend to
> think
> that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I
> play
> each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
>
Publish a non-trivial hand history summary that shows the 20-30%, I'd sure
be interested.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 17:26:18
From: Longines
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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fulltiltsucks wrote:
>
> I play on full tilt [...] Yesterday was my last day
Thank you.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 09:22:54
From: Ron Dworkin
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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Please send HHs to back up your claims.
fulltiltsucks wrote:
> ok guys. listen up.
>
> I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands each
> day. Yesterday was my last day...
>
> I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this happens to
> me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is either
> flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to you,
> and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
>
> Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10 (whether
> you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the previous
> flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
>
> Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke. Since I
> cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend to think
> that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I play
> each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
>
> Now I combined this phenomenom with the fact that everytime after I have built a
> healthy amount of money and cash out, I begin to lose any big potted hand I play
> regardless of the odds. 2 and 3 outers on the river come continously without
> fail. Runner runner seems inevitable.
>
> Here is one way an online poker site can rig a game against winning players that
> would go unnoticed by a stat keeper program. All it has to do is let you win a
> certain amount of hands and lose a certain amount of hands, keeping the bad
> beats to a minimum, right? If it does this a stat keeper will not have any
> complaints. The way it gets you is to only allow the bad beats to occur on huge
> hands where you are all in against a big stack and let your wins and suck outs
> come on small pots. I have yet to see a program that takes the pot sizes into
> consideration (maybe there is one I dont know?). This in my opinion is the most
> important factor.
>
> After all, think about it. Lets say you had the capacity to cheat a player in
> real life at a home game. Would you cheat him by making him lose every hand? Or
> would you let him win 90% of the hands and suck out on people for a few dollars
> here and there; and then with that last 10% you give him the nuts on the flop
> and an all-in caller who would turn and river a better hand. This hand would
> make up for the 90% of hands won and leave the player broke. If that guy didnt
> play at your home game very often, he would probably leave thinking that he
> played really well but just got unlucky to a worse player. Your chances of being
> called out on cheating go way down.
>
> This folks is the Full Tilt strategy. I would bet my right arm on it. Like I
> mentioned, last night was my Last night on any online poker game. I saw the same
> patterns on partypoker and I dont know where it ends. I cant trust any of them.
>
> I was up in total 1600 dollars on Tuesday. In 30 hours I am down 2000 dollars.
> That is a swing of 3600 dollars in a little over one day. Considering I am
> playing ultra conserative and 90% of the big pot hands I had the guy beat going
> into the turn or river, I just dont see how someone can honestly get unlucky
> that much. Plus, considering Ive been playing for years and the pattern seems
> never ending, I think I should now come to my senses and let online poker go.
> There is no money in it. Only violent stomach aches.
>
> From the movie Casino you might recall Deniro's line that goes something like
> this: "Some people will win small, some people will win big, BUT IN THE END, we
> get it all..." I realize I really botched the beginning of that line so if
> someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it. The point is he means that
> the casinos will end up with all the money regardless of how individuals do on a
> single night. Whats funny to me is, this philosophy is supposed to be for chance
> games like craps, slots, and even blackjack. This rule is should not apply to a
> skilled game like poker. Im afraid that online this rule does in fact apply to
> poker. In the end, your money will be left on the tables and the rake will
> slowly, over time, take it all from the tables and into the pockets of Chris
> Ferguson and Howard Ledderer and the rest of the Full Tilt gang. I have no
> respect for either of these "men" anymore and actually wish physical harm on
> them. You would think two "legends" of poker would provide poker's backbone (all
> of us) with a solid/fair playing environment.
>
> These two and 5 other pros have sued the WPT (World Poker Tour) if you havent
> heard. The early WPT was responsible for most of their financial successes and
> the only reason why you or me have heard of any of them. Daniel Negreanu wrote a
> blog in which he called these people greedy and vane. I tend to agree.
>
> ----
>
> Please do not focus your attention on the last part of this post so much as you
> do on the earlier. While playing, look for the patterns that I have seen. If you
> play anywhere near as much as I do, you WILL see them.
>
> Thanks for reading and good luck getting off these rigged tables. I admit it is
> going to be hard for me to quit because I do love the game. Im fortunate enough
> to have plenty of live games to keep me occupied.
>
> These posts tend to get lambasted by the good ole moderators on this site.
> Please do yourself a favor and ignore them. I am not trying to still contraversy
> or start an arguement. I am getting nothing out of this post except the warm
> feeling that I have maybe saved somebody some money. I am not getting payed
> money for the Full Tilt adds on my website for example.
>
> I dont mean this last paragraph to be insulting. Sorry if I was an ass.
>
> Anyways thats all I got. Have a nice day. Hope your Thanksgivings were as good
> as mine.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> * New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 10:36:16
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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> Please send HHs to back up your claims.
Oooh, here's one!
Our hero is chet65, btw.
Full Tilt Poker Game #1294390814: Table Folsom (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit
Hold'em - 21:17:15 ET - 2006/11/23
Seat 1: sugarraytgi ($122.60)
Seat 2: Fishof Thedai ($986.90)
Seat 3: chet65 ($453.15)
Seat 4: Bbuddy4brkfst ($498.20)
Seat 5: CookbytheBook ($476.85)
Seat 6: mchar ($400)
CookbytheBook posts the small blind of $2
mchar posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
sugarraytgi calls $4
Fishof Thedai folds
chet65 raises to $24
Bbuddy4brkfst folds
CookbytheBook calls $22
mchar folds
sugarraytgi folds
*** FLOP *** [9c 3s Qc]
CookbytheBook checks
chet65 checks
*** TURN *** [9c 3s Qc] [5h]
CookbytheBook bets $44
chet65 calls $44
*** RIVER *** [9c 3s Qc 5h] [5d]
CookbytheBook bets $80
chet65 raises to $296
CookbytheBook raises to $408.85, and is all in
chet65 calls $89.15, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $23.70 returned to CookbytheBook
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CookbytheBook shows [9s 9h] (a full house, Nines full of Fives)
chet65 shows [5s 5c] (four of a kind, Fives)
chet65 wins the pot ($911.30) with four of a kind, Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $914.30
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:42:10
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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Thanks so much for yet another BAHH (Boring Ass Hand History). We now have
almost enough to finish wall papering the Grand Canyon.
Irish Mike
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:06cu34xghd.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> Please send HHs to back up your claims.
>
> Oooh, here's one!
>
> Our hero is chet65, btw.
>
> Full Tilt Poker Game #1294390814: Table Folsom (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit
> Hold'em - 21:17:15 ET - 2006/11/23
> Seat 1: sugarraytgi ($122.60)
> Seat 2: Fishof Thedai ($986.90)
> Seat 3: chet65 ($453.15)
> Seat 4: Bbuddy4brkfst ($498.20)
> Seat 5: CookbytheBook ($476.85)
> Seat 6: mchar ($400)
> CookbytheBook posts the small blind of $2
> mchar posts the big blind of $4
> The button is in seat #4
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> sugarraytgi calls $4
> Fishof Thedai folds
> chet65 raises to $24
> Bbuddy4brkfst folds
> CookbytheBook calls $22
> mchar folds
> sugarraytgi folds
> *** FLOP *** [9c 3s Qc]
> CookbytheBook checks
> chet65 checks
> *** TURN *** [9c 3s Qc] [5h]
> CookbytheBook bets $44
> chet65 calls $44
> *** RIVER *** [9c 3s Qc 5h] [5d]
> CookbytheBook bets $80
> chet65 raises to $296
> CookbytheBook raises to $408.85, and is all in
> chet65 calls $89.15, and is all in
> Uncalled bet of $23.70 returned to CookbytheBook
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> CookbytheBook shows [9s 9h] (a full house, Nines full of Fives)
> chet65 shows [5s 5c] (four of a kind, Fives)
> chet65 wins the pot ($911.30) with four of a kind, Fives
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot $914.30
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:13:57
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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> Thanks so much for yet another BAHH (Boring Ass Hand History). We now have
> almost enough to finish wall papering the Grand Canyon.
And right next to each of them we could post a quote from you whining
about them. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 14:52:56
From: Aboo
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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On Nov 28 2006 2:13 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > Thanks so much for yet another BAHH (Boring Ass Hand History). We now
have
> > almost enough to finish wall papering the Grand Canyon.
>
> And right next to each of them we could post a quote from you whining
> about them. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
That's what is going on the OTHER SIDE of the Grand Canyon. More "AAAA"
before the H though, so it all fits nicely.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:19:23
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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On Nov 28 2006 1:13 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > Thanks so much for yet another BAHH (Boring Ass Hand History). We now
have
> > almost enough to finish wall papering the Grand Canyon.
>
> And right next to each of them we could post a quote from you whining
> about them. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it hilarious that Irish Mike is
clearly READING a thread from a known idiot about how Full Tilt is rigged
blah blah blah, yet he comes in to complain that a reply doesn't have BAHH
in the title?
~ MysteriAce
"Ashes and diamonds
Foe and friend
We were all equal in the end"
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:25:59
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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> Is it just me, or does anyone else find it hilarious that Irish Mike is
> clearly READING
Yes.
Morphy
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 09:35:38
From: ecr72
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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Bah. Who needs hand histories. I believe him. If you can't trust a guy
named fulltiltsucks, then who can you trust these days.
On Nov 28 2006 9:22 AM, Ron Dworkin wrote:
> Please send HHs to back up your claims.
>
>
>
>
> fulltiltsucks wrote:
> > ok guys. listen up.
> >
> > I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands
each
> > day. Yesterday was my last day...
> >
> > I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this
happens to
> > me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is
either
> > flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to
you,
> > and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
> >
> > Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10
(whether
> > you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
> >
> > THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the
previous
> > flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
> >
> > THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
> >
> > Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke.
Since I
> > cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend to
think
> > that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I
play
> > each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
> >
> > Now I combined this phenomenom with the fact that everytime after I have
built a
> > healthy amount of money and cash out, I begin to lose any big potted hand
I play
> > regardless of the odds. 2 and 3 outers on the river come continously
without
> > fail. Runner runner seems inevitable.
> >
> > Here is one way an online poker site can rig a game against winning
players that
> > would go unnoticed by a stat keeper program. All it has to do is let you
win a
> > certain amount of hands and lose a certain amount of hands, keeping the bad
> > beats to a minimum, right? If it does this a stat keeper will not have any
> > complaints. The way it gets you is to only allow the bad beats to occur on
huge
> > hands where you are all in against a big stack and let your wins and suck
outs
> > come on small pots. I have yet to see a program that takes the pot sizes
into
> > consideration (maybe there is one I dont know?). This in my opinion is the
most
> > important factor.
> >
> > After all, think about it. Lets say you had the capacity to cheat a player
in
> > real life at a home game. Would you cheat him by making him lose every
hand? Or
> > would you let him win 90% of the hands and suck out on people for a few
dollars
> > here and there; and then with that last 10% you give him the nuts on the
flop
> > and an all-in caller who would turn and river a better hand. This hand
would
> > make up for the 90% of hands won and leave the player broke. If that guy
didnt
> > play at your home game very often, he would probably leave thinking that he
> > played really well but just got unlucky to a worse player. Your chances of
being
> > called out on cheating go way down.
> >
> > This folks is the Full Tilt strategy. I would bet my right arm on it. Like
I
> > mentioned, last night was my Last night on any online poker game. I saw
the same
> > patterns on partypoker and I dont know where it ends. I cant trust any of
them.
> >
> > I was up in total 1600 dollars on Tuesday. In 30 hours I am down 2000
dollars.
> > That is a swing of 3600 dollars in a little over one day. Considering I am
> > playing ultra conserative and 90% of the big pot hands I had the guy beat
going
> > into the turn or river, I just dont see how someone can honestly get
unlucky
> > that much. Plus, considering Ive been playing for years and the pattern
seems
> > never ending, I think I should now come to my senses and let online poker
go.
> > There is no money in it. Only violent stomach aches.
> >
> > From the movie Casino you might recall Deniro's line that goes something
like
> > this: "Some people will win small, some people will win big, BUT IN THE
END, we
> > get it all..." I realize I really botched the beginning of that line so if
> > someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it. The point is he means
that
> > the casinos will end up with all the money regardless of how individuals
do on a
> > single night. Whats funny to me is, this philosophy is supposed to be for
chance
> > games like craps, slots, and even blackjack. This rule is should not apply
to a
> > skilled game like poker. Im afraid that online this rule does in fact
apply to
> > poker. In the end, your money will be left on the tables and the rake will
> > slowly, over time, take it all from the tables and into the pockets of
Chris
> > Ferguson and Howard Ledderer and the rest of the Full Tilt gang. I have no
> > respect for either of these "men" anymore and actually wish physical harm
on
> > them. You would think two "legends" of poker would provide poker's
backbone (all
> > of us) with a solid/fair playing environment.
> >
> > These two and 5 other pros have sued the WPT (World Poker Tour) if you
havent
> > heard. The early WPT was responsible for most of their financial successes
and
> > the only reason why you or me have heard of any of them. Daniel Negreanu
wrote a
> > blog in which he called these people greedy and vane. I tend to agree.
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Please do not focus your attention on the last part of this post so much
as you
> > do on the earlier. While playing, look for the patterns that I have seen.
If you
> > play anywhere near as much as I do, you WILL see them.
> >
> > Thanks for reading and good luck getting off these rigged tables. I admit
it is
> > going to be hard for me to quit because I do love the game. Im fortunate
enough
> > to have plenty of live games to keep me occupied.
> >
> > These posts tend to get lambasted by the good ole moderators on this site.
> > Please do yourself a favor and ignore them. I am not trying to still
contraversy
> > or start an arguement. I am getting nothing out of this post except the
warm
> > feeling that I have maybe saved somebody some money. I am not getting
payed
> > money for the Full Tilt adds on my website for example.
> >
> > I dont mean this last paragraph to be insulting. Sorry if I was an ass.
> >
> > Anyways thats all I got. Have a nice day. Hope your Thanksgivings were as
good
> > as mine.
> >
> >
> >
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 10:30:56
From: Kinnipak
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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On Nov 28 2006 11:35 AM, ecr72 wrote:
> Bah. Who needs hand histories. I believe him. If you can't trust a guy
> named fulltiltsucks, then who can you trust these days.
Nice LOL from me on that one.
> On Nov 28 2006 9:22 AM, Ron Dworkin wrote:
>
> > Please send HHs to back up your claims.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 09:52:12
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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On Nov 28 2006 10:35 AM, ecr72 wrote:
> Bah. Who needs hand histories. I believe him. If you can't trust a guy
> named fulltiltsucks, then who can you trust these days.
I agree. This person has created the most persuasive "online is rigged"
campaign ever. I don't know how anyone could feel confidence in any
online sites after this big of a bombshell has been unleased on our
unsuspecting and naive world.
~ MysteriAce
"Ashes and diamonds
Foe and friend
We were all equal in the end"
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 09:10:16
From: fuggit
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
|
fulltiltsucks wrote:
> ok guys. listen up.
>
> I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands each
> day. Yesterday was my last day...
>
> I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this happens to
> me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is either
> flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to you,
> and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
>
> Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10 (whether
> you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the previous
> flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
>
> Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke. Since I
> cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend to think
> that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I play
> each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
>
> Now I combined this phenomenom with the fact that everytime after I have built a
> healthy amount of money and cash out, I begin to lose any big potted hand I play
> regardless of the odds. 2 and 3 outers on the river come continously without
> fail. Runner runner seems inevitable.
>
> Here is one way an online poker site can rig a game against winning players that
> would go unnoticed by a stat keeper program. All it has to do is let you win a
> certain amount of hands and lose a certain amount of hands, keeping the bad
> beats to a minimum, right? If it does this a stat keeper will not have any
> complaints. The way it gets you is to only allow the bad beats to occur on huge
> hands where you are all in against a big stack and let your wins and suck outs
> come on small pots. I have yet to see a program that takes the pot sizes into
> consideration (maybe there is one I dont know?). This in my opinion is the most
> important factor.
>
> After all, think about it. Lets say you had the capacity to cheat a player in
> real life at a home game. Would you cheat him by making him lose every hand? Or
> would you let him win 90% of the hands and suck out on people for a few dollars
> here and there; and then with that last 10% you give him the nuts on the flop
> and an all-in caller who would turn and river a better hand. This hand would
> make up for the 90% of hands won and leave the player broke. If that guy didnt
> play at your home game very often, he would probably leave thinking that he
> played really well but just got unlucky to a worse player. Your chances of being
> called out on cheating go way down.
>
> This folks is the Full Tilt strategy. I would bet my right arm on it. Like I
> mentioned, last night was my Last night on any online poker game. I saw the same
> patterns on partypoker and I dont know where it ends. I cant trust any of them.
>
> I was up in total 1600 dollars on Tuesday. In 30 hours I am down 2000 dollars.
> That is a swing of 3600 dollars in a little over one day. Considering I am
> playing ultra conserative and 90% of the big pot hands I had the guy beat going
> into the turn or river, I just dont see how someone can honestly get unlucky
> that much. Plus, considering Ive been playing for years and the pattern seems
> never ending, I think I should now come to my senses and let online poker go.
> There is no money in it. Only violent stomach aches.
>
> From the movie Casino you might recall Deniro's line that goes something like
> this: "Some people will win small, some people will win big, BUT IN THE END, we
> get it all..." I realize I really botched the beginning of that line so if
> someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it. The point is he means that
> the casinos will end up with all the money regardless of how individuals do on a
> single night. Whats funny to me is, this philosophy is supposed to be for chance
> games like craps, slots, and even blackjack. This rule is should not apply to a
> skilled game like poker. Im afraid that online this rule does in fact apply to
> poker. In the end, your money will be left on the tables and the rake will
> slowly, over time, take it all from the tables and into the pockets of Chris
> Ferguson and Howard Ledderer and the rest of the Full Tilt gang. I have no
> respect for either of these "men" anymore and actually wish physical harm on
> them. You would think two "legends" of poker would provide poker's backbone (all
> of us) with a solid/fair playing environment.
>
> These two and 5 other pros have sued the WPT (World Poker Tour) if you havent
> heard. The early WPT was responsible for most of their financial successes and
> the only reason why you or me have heard of any of them. Daniel Negreanu wrote a
> blog in which he called these people greedy and vane. I tend to agree.
>
> ----
>
> Please do not focus your attention on the last part of this post so much as you
> do on the earlier. While playing, look for the patterns that I have seen. If you
> play anywhere near as much as I do, you WILL see them.
>
> Thanks for reading and good luck getting off these rigged tables. I admit it is
> going to be hard for me to quit because I do love the game. Im fortunate enough
> to have plenty of live games to keep me occupied.
>
> These posts tend to get lambasted by the good ole moderators on this site.
> Please do yourself a favor and ignore them. I am not trying to still contraversy
> or start an arguement. I am getting nothing out of this post except the warm
> feeling that I have maybe saved somebody some money. I am not getting payed
> money for the Full Tilt adds on my website for example.
>
> I dont mean this last paragraph to be insulting. Sorry if I was an ass.
>
> Anyways thats all I got. Have a nice day. Hope your Thanksgivings were as good
> as mine.
>
>
>
>I will say that I've had the most horrendous beats that I've ever witnessed at Full Tilt since the ban was enacted. Probably just my imagination, but when people repeately catch two or three outers on the river... repeatedly it makes you think. I also wonder why some people call with crap... AND HIT. That's what I just don't get.________________________________________________________
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:39:19
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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"I also wonder why some people call with crap... AND HIT."
It's the nature of people and the element of luck in poker.
"That's what I just don't get."
The fact that you don't get it is clear.
Irish Mike
_______________________________________________________
"fuggit" <kyhangdog@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1164733816.680434.163610@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> fulltiltsucks wrote:
>> ok guys. listen up.
>>
>> I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands
>> each
>> day. Yesterday was my last day...
>>
>> I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this
>> happens to
>> me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is
>> either
>> flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to
>> you,
>> and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
>>
>> Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10
>> (whether
>> you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
>>
>> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the
>> previous
>> flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
>>
>> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
>>
>> Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke.
>> Since I
>> cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend
>> to think
>> that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I
>> play
>> each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
>>
>> Now I combined this phenomenom with the fact that everytime after I have
>> built a
>> healthy amount of money and cash out, I begin to lose any big potted hand
>> I play
>> regardless of the odds. 2 and 3 outers on the river come continously
>> without
>> fail. Runner runner seems inevitable.
>>
>> Here is one way an online poker site can rig a game against winning
>> players that
>> would go unnoticed by a stat keeper program. All it has to do is let you
>> win a
>> certain amount of hands and lose a certain amount of hands, keeping the
>> bad
>> beats to a minimum, right? If it does this a stat keeper will not have
>> any
>> complaints. The way it gets you is to only allow the bad beats to occur
>> on huge
>> hands where you are all in against a big stack and let your wins and suck
>> outs
>> come on small pots. I have yet to see a program that takes the pot sizes
>> into
>> consideration (maybe there is one I dont know?). This in my opinion is
>> the most
>> important factor.
>>
>> After all, think about it. Lets say you had the capacity to cheat a
>> player in
>> real life at a home game. Would you cheat him by making him lose every
>> hand? Or
>> would you let him win 90% of the hands and suck out on people for a few
>> dollars
>> here and there; and then with that last 10% you give him the nuts on the
>> flop
>> and an all-in caller who would turn and river a better hand. This hand
>> would
>> make up for the 90% of hands won and leave the player broke. If that guy
>> didnt
>> play at your home game very often, he would probably leave thinking that
>> he
>> played really well but just got unlucky to a worse player. Your chances
>> of being
>> called out on cheating go way down.
>>
>> This folks is the Full Tilt strategy. I would bet my right arm on it.
>> Like I
>> mentioned, last night was my Last night on any online poker game. I saw
>> the same
>> patterns on partypoker and I dont know where it ends. I cant trust any of
>> them.
>>
>> I was up in total 1600 dollars on Tuesday. In 30 hours I am down 2000
>> dollars.
>> That is a swing of 3600 dollars in a little over one day. Considering I
>> am
>> playing ultra conserative and 90% of the big pot hands I had the guy beat
>> going
>> into the turn or river, I just dont see how someone can honestly get
>> unlucky
>> that much. Plus, considering Ive been playing for years and the pattern
>> seems
>> never ending, I think I should now come to my senses and let online poker
>> go.
>> There is no money in it. Only violent stomach aches.
>>
>> From the movie Casino you might recall Deniro's line that goes something
>> like
>> this: "Some people will win small, some people will win big, BUT IN THE
>> END, we
>> get it all..." I realize I really botched the beginning of that line so
>> if
>> someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it. The point is he means
>> that
>> the casinos will end up with all the money regardless of how individuals
>> do on a
>> single night. Whats funny to me is, this philosophy is supposed to be for
>> chance
>> games like craps, slots, and even blackjack. This rule is should not
>> apply to a
>> skilled game like poker. Im afraid that online this rule does in fact
>> apply to
>> poker. In the end, your money will be left on the tables and the rake
>> will
>> slowly, over time, take it all from the tables and into the pockets of
>> Chris
>> Ferguson and Howard Ledderer and the rest of the Full Tilt gang. I have
>> no
>> respect for either of these "men" anymore and actually wish physical harm
>> on
>> them. You would think two "legends" of poker would provide poker's
>> backbone (all
>> of us) with a solid/fair playing environment.
>>
>> These two and 5 other pros have sued the WPT (World Poker Tour) if you
>> havent
>> heard. The early WPT was responsible for most of their financial
>> successes and
>> the only reason why you or me have heard of any of them. Daniel Negreanu
>> wrote a
>> blog in which he called these people greedy and vane. I tend to agree.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Please do not focus your attention on the last part of this post so much
>> as you
>> do on the earlier. While playing, look for the patterns that I have seen.
>> If you
>> play anywhere near as much as I do, you WILL see them.
>>
>> Thanks for reading and good luck getting off these rigged tables. I admit
>> it is
>> going to be hard for me to quit because I do love the game. Im fortunate
>> enough
>> to have plenty of live games to keep me occupied.
>>
>> These posts tend to get lambasted by the good ole moderators on this
>> site.
>> Please do yourself a favor and ignore them. I am not trying to still
>> contraversy
>> or start an arguement. I am getting nothing out of this post except the
>> warm
>> feeling that I have maybe saved somebody some money. I am not getting
>> payed
>> money for the Full Tilt adds on my website for example.
>>
>> I dont mean this last paragraph to be insulting. Sorry if I was an ass.
>>
>> Anyways thats all I got. Have a nice day. Hope your Thanksgivings were as
>> good
>> as mine.
>>
>>
>>
>>I will say that I've had the most horrendous beats that I've ever
>>witnessed at Full Tilt since the ban was enacted. Probably just my
>>imagination, but when people repeately catch two or three outers on the
>>river... repeatedly it makes you think. I also wonder why some people call
>>with crap... AND HIT. That's what I just don't
>>get.________________________________________________________
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>
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Date: 29 Nov
From: Max Coin
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
|
On Nov 28 2006 8:53 AM, fulltiltsucks wrote:
> ok guys. listen up.
>
> I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands each
> day. Yesterday was my last day...
>
> I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this happens
> to
> me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is either
> flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to you,
> and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
>
> Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10 (whether
> you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the previous
> flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
>
> Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke. Since
> I
> cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend to
> think
> that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I play
> each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
>
> Now I combined this phenomenom with the fact that everytime after I have built
> a
> healthy amount of money and cash out, I begin to lose any big potted hand I
> play
> regardless of the odds. 2 and 3 outers on the river come continously without
> fail. Runner runner seems inevitable.
>
> Here is one way an online poker site can rig a game against winning players
> that
> would go unnoticed by a stat keeper program. All it has to do is let you win a
> certain amount of hands and lose a certain amount of hands, keeping the bad
> beats to a minimum, right? If it does this a stat keeper will not have any
> complaints. The way it gets you is to only allow the bad beats to occur on
> huge
> hands where you are all in against a big stack and let your wins and suck outs
> come on small pots. I have yet to see a program that takes the pot sizes into
> consideration (maybe there is one I dont know?). This in my opinion is the
> most
> important factor.
>
> After all, think about it. Lets say you had the capacity to cheat a player in
> real life at a home game. Would you cheat him by making him lose every hand?
> Or
> would you let him win 90% of the hands and suck out on people for a few
> dollars
> here and there; and then with that last 10% you give him the nuts on the flop
> and an all-in caller who would turn and river a better hand. This hand would
> make up for the 90% of hands won and leave the player broke. If that guy didnt
> play at your home game very often, he would probably leave thinking that he
> played really well but just got unlucky to a worse player. Your chances of
> being
> called out on cheating go way down.
>
> This folks is the Full Tilt strategy. I would bet my right arm on it. Like I
> mentioned, last night was my Last night on any online poker game. I saw the
> same
> patterns on partypoker and I dont know where it ends. I cant trust any of
> them.
>
> I was up in total 1600 dollars on Tuesday. In 30 hours I am down 2000 dollars.
> That is a swing of 3600 dollars in a little over one day. Considering I am
> playing ultra conserative and 90% of the big pot hands I had the guy beat
> going
> into the turn or river, I just dont see how someone can honestly get unlucky
> that much. Plus, considering Ive been playing for years and the pattern seems
> never ending, I think I should now come to my senses and let online poker go.
> There is no money in it. Only violent stomach aches.
>
> From the movie Casino you might recall Deniro's line that goes something like
> this: "Some people will win small, some people will win big, BUT IN THE END,
> we
> get it all..." I realize I really botched the beginning of that line so if
> someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it. The point is he means that
> the casinos will end up with all the money regardless of how individuals do on
> a
> single night. Whats funny to me is, this philosophy is supposed to be for
> chance
> games like craps, slots, and even blackjack. This rule is should not apply to
> a
> skilled game like poker. Im afraid that online this rule does in fact apply to
> poker. In the end, your money will be left on the tables and the rake will
> slowly, over time, take it all from the tables and into the pockets of Chris
> Ferguson and Howard Ledderer and the rest of the Full Tilt gang. I have no
> respect for either of these "men" anymore and actually wish physical harm on
> them. You would think two "legends" of poker would provide poker's backbone
> (all
> of us) with a solid/fair playing environment.
>
> These two and 5 other pros have sued the WPT (World Poker Tour) if you havent
> heard. The early WPT was responsible for most of their financial successes and
> the only reason why you or me have heard of any of them. Daniel Negreanu wrote
> a
> blog in which he called these people greedy and vane. I tend to agree.
>
> ----
>
> Please do not focus your attention on the last part of this post so much as
> you
> do on the earlier. While playing, look for the patterns that I have seen. If
> you
> play anywhere near as much as I do, you WILL see them.
>
> Thanks for reading and good luck getting off these rigged tables. I admit it
> is
> going to be hard for me to quit because I do love the game. Im fortunate
> enough
> to have plenty of live games to keep me occupied.
>
> These posts tend to get lambasted by the good ole moderators on this site.
> Please do yourself a favor and ignore them. I am not trying to still
> contraversy
> or start an arguement. I am getting nothing out of this post except the warm
> feeling that I have maybe saved somebody some money. I am not getting payed
> money for the Full Tilt adds on my website for example.
>
> I dont mean this last paragraph to be insulting. Sorry if I was an ass.
>
> Anyways thats all I got. Have a nice day. Hope your Thanksgivings were as good
> as mine.
>
>
If you are losing then who is winning? How does taking money from one customer
and giving it to another benefit the site?
If was to operate a rigged site I would have my own bot sitting at every table
and wouldn't give a damn about the skill level of the players. I would take
everybodys money.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:50:03
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
|
On Tue, 28 Nov 06 16:53:18 GMT, fulltiltsucks <43086578@recpoker.com > wrote:
>ok guys. listen up.
>I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day.
So you think it's rigged, it sucks, and you play there ten hours a day.
You are one stupid motherfucker.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 15:30:41
From: number6
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
|
fulltiltsucks wrote:
> ok guys. listen up.
>
Look every hand is given a hand number ... there is a code attached to
that hand number telling you what the board will be ... this is the
advantage so called donks have all over you ... they may be donks ...
but have figured out the system ... why else would a 7-2 get trips on
the flop ??? Search the internet for the codes ... they are much to
complicated to post here ... it takes a little bit of figuring out ...
like watching the stock market .. and knowing when to sell short and
simultaneously buy options for a futures contract to guarantee a profit
no matter what happens ...
Until then quit your bitching until you learn the codes and get with
the system ...look at the hand number and match the board to your hand
... then even a donk can figure out the correct betting pattern ...
then when you can't win ... you'll be termed not only a donk ... but a
computer illiterate donk ...
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Date: 29 Nov
From: Max Coin
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
|
On Nov 28 2006 3:30 PM, number6 wrote:
> fulltiltsucks wrote:
> > ok guys. listen up.
> >
>
> Look every hand is given a hand number ... there is a code attached to
> that hand number telling you what the board will be ... this is the
> advantage so called donks have all over you ... they may be donks ...
> but have figured out the system ... why else would a 7-2 get trips on
> the flop ??? Search the internet for the codes ... they are much to
> complicated to post here ... it takes a little bit of figuring out ...
> like watching the stock market .. and knowing when to sell short and
> simultaneously buy options for a futures contract to guarantee a profit
> no matter what happens ...
>
> Until then quit your bitching until you learn the codes and get with
> the system ...look at the hand number and match the board to your hand
> .... then even a donk can figure out the correct betting pattern ...
> then when you can't win ... you'll be termed not only a donk ... but a
> computer illiterate donk ...
Get some sleep dude.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 09:11:20
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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On Tue, 28 Nov 06 16:53:18 GMT, fulltiltsucks <43086578@recpoker.com >
wrote:
>ok guys. listen up.
>
>I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day.
More fool you. It's fucking rigged.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:27:54
From:
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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fulltiltsucks wrote:
> ok guys. listen up.
>
> I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands each
> day. Yesterday was my last day...
>
> I want you people to really look for something when you play, as this happens to
> me such a high percentage of the time, I believe the card generator is either
> flawed or rigged. Either way, it is not random. This may seem abstract to you,
> and it does to me as well, but it still has meaning.
>
> Ok youre dealt K 2 off or something like that. The flop comes 10 3 10 (whether
> you are in the hand or not). Ok and the hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt 10-3. These whole cards were both on the previous
> flop. Ok so this flop comes K 6 4. The hand ends.
>
> THE NEXT HAND you are dealt K 6.
>
> Now this happens to me each night probably 20-30% of the hands. No joke. Since I
> cannot see the reason why Full Tilt would rig the cards this way I tend to think
> that the card generator is flawed. How many times in the thousand hands I play
> each week in real life does this happen to me. Probably 2%.
>
> Now I combined this phenomenom with the fact that everytime after I have built a
> healthy amount of money and cash out, I begin to lose any big potted hand I play
> regardless of the odds. 2 and 3 outers on the river come continously without
> fail. Runner runner seems inevitable.
>
> Here is one way an online poker site can rig a game against winning players that
> would go unnoticed by a stat keeper program. All it has to do is let you win a
> certain amount of hands and lose a certain amount of hands, keeping the bad
> beats to a minimum, right? If it does this a stat keeper will not have any
> complaints. The way it gets you is to only allow the bad beats to occur on huge
> hands where you are all in against a big stack and let your wins and suck outs
> come on small pots. I have yet to see a program that takes the pot sizes into
> consideration (maybe there is one I dont know?). This in my opinion is the most
> important factor.
>
> After all, think about it. Lets say you had the capacity to cheat a player in
> real life at a home game. Would you cheat him by making him lose every hand? Or
> would you let him win 90% of the hands and suck out on people for a few dollars
> here and there; and then with that last 10% you give him the nuts on the flop
> and an all-in caller who would turn and river a better hand. This hand would
> make up for the 90% of hands won and leave the player broke. If that guy didnt
> play at your home game very often, he would probably leave thinking that he
> played really well but just got unlucky to a worse player. Your chances of being
> called out on cheating go way down.
>
> This folks is the Full Tilt strategy. I would bet my right arm on it. Like I
> mentioned, last night was my Last night on any online poker game. I saw the same
> patterns on partypoker and I dont know where it ends. I cant trust any of them.
>
> I was up in total 1600 dollars on Tuesday. In 30 hours I am down 2000 dollars.
> That is a swing of 3600 dollars in a little over one day. Considering I am
> playing ultra conserative and 90% of the big pot hands I had the guy beat going
> into the turn or river, I just dont see how someone can honestly get unlucky
> that much. Plus, considering Ive been playing for years and the pattern seems
> never ending, I think I should now come to my senses and let online poker go.
> There is no money in it. Only violent stomach aches.
>
> From the movie Casino you might recall Deniro's line that goes something like
> this: "Some people will win small, some people will win big, BUT IN THE END, we
> get it all..." I realize I really botched the beginning of that line so if
> someone could refresh my memory I'd appreciate it. The point is he means that
> the casinos will end up with all the money regardless of how individuals do on a
> single night. Whats funny to me is, this philosophy is supposed to be for chance
> games like craps, slots, and even blackjack. This rule is should not apply to a
> skilled game like poker. Im afraid that online this rule does in fact apply to
> poker. In the end, your money will be left on the tables and the rake will
> slowly, over time, take it all from the tables and into the pockets of Chris
> Ferguson and Howard Ledderer and the rest of the Full Tilt gang. I have no
> respect for either of these "men" anymore and actually wish physical harm on
> them. You would think two "legends" of poker would provide poker's backbone (all
> of us) with a solid/fair playing environment.
>
> These two and 5 other pros have sued the WPT (World Poker Tour) if you havent
> heard. The early WPT was responsible for most of their financial successes and
> the only reason why you or me have heard of any of them. Daniel Negreanu wrote a
> blog in which he called these people greedy and vane. I tend to agree.
>
> ----
>
> Please do not focus your attention on the last part of this post so much as you
> do on the earlier. While playing, look for the patterns that I have seen. If you
> play anywhere near as much as I do, you WILL see them.
>
> Thanks for reading and good luck getting off these rigged tables. I admit it is
> going to be hard for me to quit because I do love the game. Im fortunate enough
> to have plenty of live games to keep me occupied.
>
> These posts tend to get lambasted by the good ole moderators on this site.
> Please do yourself a favor and ignore them. I am not trying to still contraversy
> or start an arguement. I am getting nothing out of this post except the warm
> feeling that I have maybe saved somebody some money. I am not getting payed
> money for the Full Tilt adds on my website for example.
>
> I dont mean this last paragraph to be insulting. Sorry if I was an ass.
>
> Anyways thats all I got. Have a nice day. Hope your Thanksgivings were as good
> as mine.
>
>
>
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So you're saying you hand hits the flop about 1 in 3? And you're upset
about this?
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 13:37:53
From: The FISH
Subject: Re: read this about full tilt
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fulltiltsucks wrote:
> ok guys. listen up.
>
> I play on full tilt about 10 hours a day. I see about 2000 or more hands each
> day. Yesterday was my last day...
>
Dear Mr. fulltiltsucks:
Please reconsider your choice to quit Full Tilt. Those of us that have learned
how to use the scam to our advantage need your money.
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