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Date: 18 Dec 21:13:27
From: Nick Wool
Subject: quick lesson in razz please
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about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
general hints.
Thanks.
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Date: 19 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: I cashed!!!!!
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On Dec 18 2006 9:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
I cashed....3rd break...8 left, 7th in chips...:)
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:00:06
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 3:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
some
> general hints.
>
> Thanks.
Now that you're past the first break, you can win a lot of chips just
completing the bring-in, especially if you're a seat or two to the right
of the bring-in. Those antes and bring-ins add up. Also, never check if
you're first to act. Bet it! Now for my brag....
PokerStars Tournament #37780123, Limit Razz
Buy-In: $3.00/$0.30
184 players
Total Prize Pool: $552.00
Tournament started - 2006/12/16 - 10:45:00 (ET)
Dear Raiders Rule,
You finished the tournament in 4th place.
A $44.17 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 19:32:07
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 5:00 PM, Raider Fan wrote:
> On Dec 18 2006 3:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> > about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> > rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
> some
> > general hints.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Now that you're past the first break, you can win a lot of chips just
> completing the bring-in, especially if you're a seat or two to the right
> of the bring-in. Those antes and bring-ins add up. Also, never check if
> you're first to act. Bet it!
Not true. There are several times when a check is absolutely correct when
first to act. One of the most obvious being something like (xx)34KQ vs
(xx)4A6A
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:06:16
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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> Now for my brag....
Speaking of brags...your game is pretty fun :)
PokerStars Tournament #34146765, Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
Buy-In: $30.00/$3.00
171 players
Total Prize Pool: $5130.00
Tournament started - 2006/10/27 - 22:00:00 (ET)
Dear XaQ Morphy,
You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $1,477.44 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:09:36
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 6:06 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > Now for my brag....
>
> Speaking of brags...your game is pretty fun :)
>
> PokerStars Tournament #34146765, Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
> Buy-In: $30.00/$3.00
> 171 players
> Total Prize Pool: $5130.00
> Tournament started - 2006/10/27 - 22:00:00 (ET)
>
> Dear XaQ Morphy,
>
> You finished the tournament in 1st place.
> A $1,477.44 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
>
Very nice Morphy!
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:10:56
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 6:06 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > Now for my brag....
>
> Speaking of brags...your game is pretty fun :)
>
> Tournament started - 2006/10/27 - 22:00:00 (ET)
>
Good thing you got this posted. The two month rule was about to kick in.
:)
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:23:18
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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> Good thing you got this posted. The two month rule was about to kick in.
> :)
hehe thanks. I actually chopped headsup for $1238 or so each, but posting
that email was more impressive looking. I was 6/6, then 5/5, then 4/4,
then 3/3...each time I offered the table an even chop. Headsup he had me
covered 2:1, I won the first real hand for a double up, and he immediately
asks if I wanted to chop. I'm horrible headsup as it is, and PLO8 was a
game that I'd literally only played a few times before deciding to
concentrate on it about 2 weeks before that tourney, so I jumped on the
deal. Of course I won it 8 hands later :)
Morphy
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Date: 18 Dec 23:52:39
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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Guess what? I think you lot are good teachers...2nd break, 23 left...still in
with just above average chips
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 18:41:03
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Mon, 18 Dec 06 21:13:27 GMT, Nick Wool <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote:
>about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
>rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
>general hints.
Very important that your cards are live. Always read the board and if you can,
memorize it. It's usually not that hard. The main cards to keep track of are
A-8, although an abundance of face cards is also nice. Quickly committting
something like 2-2-3-4-6 to memory is not that tough.
The best cards you can see out are your door card in other people's hands,
especially when they fold. That means you are less likely to pair your door
card, which is the worst thing that can happen to you. You are going to be
betting your board most of the time, so it is best that it be pretty. Next
best is your other cards. If you have 873 with 3 up and you see 3,3,7,7,8
out, you're golden. But if you have 765 with 7 up, and A,A,2,3,4 is out,
you're in trouble. The right dead cards turn marginally playable hands into
good hands and good hands into marginal hands. You should be less
inclined to play or keep drawing in these situations.
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Date: 18 Dec 22:48:31
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
> general hints.
>
> Thanks.
Hmmm...this razz lark is easier than it looks...got through to the first break
with above average chips...how?
Mind you....it'll help a bit more if I have had AAK, AAA, QQQ and KKK as my
starting hands...all within the first hours....wonder if those cards will follow
me if I go to a stud table?
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 18:42:21
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Mon, 18 Dec 06 22:48:31 GMT, Nick Wool <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote:
>On Dec 18 2006 9:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
>> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
>> general hints.
>> Thanks.
>Hmmm...this razz lark is easier than it looks...got through to the first break
>with above average chips...how?
It's just setting you up for the inevitable.
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Date: 18 Dec 22:18:19
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
> general hints.
>
> Thanks.
So fucking rigged! I am 5th chipleader.
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Date: 18 Dec 22:02:21
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
> general hints.
>
> Thanks.
Won my first pot!!!
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Date: 18 Dec 22:04:17
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
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> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
> general hints.
>
> Thanks.
and another! :)
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Date: 18 Dec 21:52:15
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously Nick, the way you handle suckouts, Razz will
be dangerous to your mental health.
On Dec 18 2006 3:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
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> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
> general hints.
>
> Thanks.
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Date: 18 Dec 21:56:22
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:52 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
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> DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously Nick, the way you handle suckouts, Razz will
> be dangerous to your mental health.
>
Its OK...I can handle it if its only 10 bucks...bored, but want to give 'normal'
poker a slight break until later tonight...:-)
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 13:42:14
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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Nick Wool wrote:
> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
> general hints.
Open with hands that are three cards 8 or less, 9 or less if you're
disparate to make something happen. Ignore suits, you don't care. Be
hyper aggressive when you're ahead, call down 6th and 7th if you're not
sure if they have the goods, and you've got 8 low. Push hard with 7 low
harder with 6 low, and everything with 5 low. Good luck!
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 19:53:52
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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Gary Carson wrote:
> Opening is a forced bet -- you don't have a choice. High up card opens.
He knew what I meant. He won the whole damned thing right?
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Date: 19 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 3:42 PM, Bill Ricardi wrote:
> Nick Wool wrote:
> > about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> > rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
> > some
> > general hints.
>
> Open with hands that are three cards 8 or less, 9 or less if you're
> disparate to make something happen.
Opening is a forced bet -- you don't have a choice. High up card opens.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 14:00:24
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 3:42 PM, Bill Ricardi wrote:
> Nick Wool wrote:
> > about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> > rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
some
> > general hints.
>
> Open with hands that are three cards 8 or less, 9 or less if you're
> disparate to make something happen. Ignore suits, you don't care. Be
> hyper aggressive when you're ahead, call down 6th and 7th if you're not
> sure if they have the goods, and you've got 8 low. Push hard with 7 low
> harder with 6 low, and everything with 5 low. Good luck!
I'd also add 2 to a wheel if one of them is your up card.
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Date: 18 Dec 21:46:27
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:42 PM, Bill Ricardi wrote:
> Nick Wool wrote:
> > about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> > rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
> > some
> > general hints.
>
> Open with hands that are three cards 8 or less, 9 or less if you're
> disparate to make something happen. Ignore suits, you don't care. Be
> hyper aggressive when you're ahead, call down 6th and 7th if you're not
> sure if they have the goods, and you've got 8 low. Push hard with 7 low
> harder with 6 low, and everything with 5 low. Good luck!
Ok, thanks...starting now...will follow those golden rules.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 15:33:48
From: Susan
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Never draw to an eight
And never draw two
(OK, thats for loball, but still applies)
"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote in message
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> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain
> the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
> some
> general hints.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 00:23:08
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote in message
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> Roses are Red
> Violets are Blue
> Never draw to an eight
> And never draw two
>
> (OK, thats for loball, but still applies)
>
Of course, that old adage sucked for lowball, and it also sucks in this
case.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 13:24:30
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
some
> general hints.
Just play as if you're playing NL and I'm sure you'll win it.
Morphy
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Date: 18 Dec 21:53:55
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:24 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> > rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
> some
> > general hints.
>
> Just play as if you're playing NL and I'm sure you'll win it.
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
I take it a set of Qs is a crap starting hand? Always raised with it...thought
it was stud....:)
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 22:28:03
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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In article <1166478835$923813@recpoker.com >,
Nick Wool <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote:
>I take it a set of Qs is a crap starting hand? Always raised
>with it...thought it was stud....:)
I actually did this once in Bill Chen's homegame with exactly
that hand. I completed, JP Massar raised, and I reraised.
I went to put the fourth bet in when someone said, "You know
it's razz, right?"
"Oh. I fold."
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Date: 18 Dec 21:31:23
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:24 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> > rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
> some
> > general hints.
>
> Just play as if you're playing NL and I'm sure you'll win it.
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
I can put them allin when its limit? I like this game!
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 13:42:24
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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> I can put them allin when its limit? I like this game!
Oh, one more...on 3rd street, only 3 bet it if you think it will get you
isolation on someone. Otherwise in general, and this is one of those
general comments that don't always apply, but in general in low limit razz
tourneys like this there aren't many streets that go more than 1 raise.
Morphy
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 00:29:41
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> Oh, one more...on 3rd street, only 3 bet it if you think it will get you
> isolation on someone.
>
Or if your cards are live and pair-cards out.
Or, of course, 3-bet it just because you're not a fucking pussy.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 19:41:48
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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"Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net > wrote:
>Or, of course, 3-bet it just because you're not a fucking pussy.
Do you mean 3-bet or .003 bet?
Peg
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 02:31:10
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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"Peg Smith" <PegSmithJackson@aol.comnojunk > wrote in message
news:aqgeo21b28v1i4o6eh0t8838sgla1uiapl@4ax.com...
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Or, of course, 3-bet it just because you're not a fucking pussy.
>
> Do you mean 3-bet or .003 bet?
>
> Peg
Suit yourself, Peg. Go ahead and take that attitude. But I don't wanna
hear you whining when I won't reveal any of my secrets to you about my
system for beating the Wheel of Fortune machines in Vegas. And, I might
add, the mathwork in this system is extremely complex. I worked on it for
months. I can now get a return of 100.83%, and can easily get over .33% in
cashback at many casinos, PLUS comps. So if I can easily push through over
$6000 an hour through these machines, you go ahead and do the mathwork and
tell me how much profit I'll make. I'm going to need wheelbarrows to haul
the money I make to the bank. I can hire some moron like Morphy to push the
wheelbarrows for me, while I'm in the buffet.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 19:19:48
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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> Suit yourself, Peg. Go ahead and take that attitude. But I don't wanna
> hear you whining when I won't reveal any of my secrets to you about my
> system for beating the Wheel of Fortune machines in Vegas. And, I might
> add, the mathwork in this system is extremely complex. I worked on it for
> months. I can now get a return of 100.83%, and can easily get over .33% in
> cashback at many casinos, PLUS comps. So if I can easily push through over
> $6000 an hour through these machines, you go ahead and do the mathwork and
> tell me how much profit I'll make. I'm going to need wheelbarrows to haul
> the money I make to the bank. I can hire some moron like Morphy to push the
> wheelbarrows for me, while I'm in the buffet.
$6?
Morphy
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 17:52:30
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 7:41 PM, Peg Smith wrote:
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Or, of course, 3-bet it just because you're not a fucking pussy.
>
> Do you mean 3-bet or .003 bet?
>
> Peg
LMFAO!
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:48:52
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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> Or if your cards are live and pair-cards out.
>
> Or, of course, 3-bet it just because you're not a fucking pussy.
Now see with your basic and elementary understanding of math, I don't know
if you mean 2 bet or 4 bet here.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 13:41:09
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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> I can put them allin when its limit? I like this game!
Got any percosets then? That's the only way I can do it.
Basic rundown, 3 to an 8 to start. It's more about playing other people's
boards than your own, but that assumes that your opponents look past their
own cards and can fold. Track your dead cards and get out when it makes
no sense. Example: you have 875, there's 2 3's and a 4 dead, just fold
it, especially if someone raises.
Watch for the people who bet out on one street, hit a low card then pause
and check on a later street. This often means they've paired up. Let's
see what else...basically it's a fucked up game where you can go 75/25
25/75 75/25 on alternating streets every hand.
I'd go for the percosets tho.
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Date: 18 Dec 21:21:39
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 18 2006 9:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and some
> general hints.
>
> Thanks.
OK, googled the basic rules....any hints as to starting hands and general
play etc?
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Date: 19 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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Starting hands --
Don't reach for chips until you've been dealt 3 cards.
On Dec 18 2006 3:21 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 18 2006 9:13 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> >
> > about to enter a 10 bucks razz mtt at stars...could some please explain the
> > rules, (ie., how many cards, the betting rounds, any community cards) and
> > some
> > general hints.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> OK, googled the basic rules....any hints as to starting hands and general
> play etc?
Gary Carson
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Date: 19 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: quick lesson in razz please
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On Dec 19 2006 3:31 AM, Gary Carson wrote:
>
>
> Starting hands --
>
> Don't reach for chips until you've been dealt 3 cards.
>
>
Very droll, and great advice if we were playing live. But as this is an online
event, I am not sure if you can reach for the chips before your hand is
dealt. This is my first time at Razz, and I already seem to know more than
you. Are we slipping, dear chap?
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