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Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:38:23
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Subject: poll: charts/calculators while playing?

i'm not going to ask individuals to admit if they use them or not but
i'm curious what you think about everyone else. while playing online
what percentage of people do you think use calculators, poker tracker
stats, etc while playing. do you think the percentage changes depending
on what limits you're playing? i see other posts discussing if they
think it's cheating or not but i'm more curious about how widely used
they might be. just curious. thanks.

Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:50:17
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: poll: charts/calculators while playing?

> i'm not going to ask individuals to admit if they use them or not but
> i'm curious what you think about everyone else. while playing online
> what percentage of people do you think use calculators, poker tracker
> stats, etc while playing. do you think the percentage changes depending
> on what limits you're playing? i see other posts discussing if they
> think it's cheating or not but i'm more curious about how widely used
> they might be. just curious. thanks.

A friend of mine bought that calculatem program about a year ago. He said
it turned him into a calling station, since it just looked at the odds and
told him to call/fold based on if he would hit his hand or not.

I used to think that there were quite a few who used poker tracker HUDs
and the like, but now I'm not so sure. The night the bill passed, I
played maybe 5-6 tables on FullTilt and asked everyone what they thought
of it. Only one person even knew what I was talking about. The rest were
clueless. I'm not saying that it has a direct correllation between that
sort of knowledge and use of a program like poker tracker, but I do think
that ignorance knows no bounds (for proof of that, read RGP). Chances are
most players don't even know what poker tracker is.

As far as how I feel about people using it against me...lol...go ahead.
I'm playing a prime level where people would be using them (50c/1 and 1/2
NLHE and PLO), but it hasn't seemed to affect me yet. At least not any
more than I affect myself.

Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com

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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:19:50
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: poll: charts/calculators while playing?

On Dec 19 2006 10:50 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> > i'm not going to ask individuals to admit if they use them or not but
> > i'm curious what you think about everyone else. while playing online
> > what percentage of people do you think use calculators, poker tracker
> > stats, etc while playing. do you think the percentage changes depending
> > on what limits you're playing? i see other posts discussing if they
> > think it's cheating or not but i'm more curious about how widely used
> > they might be. just curious. thanks.
>
> A friend of mine bought that calculatem program about a year ago. He said
> it turned him into a calling station, since it just looked at the odds and
> told him to call/fold based on if he would hit his hand or not.
>
> I used to think that there were quite a few who used poker tracker HUDs
> and the like, but now I'm not so sure. The night the bill passed, I
> played maybe 5-6 tables on FullTilt and asked everyone what they thought
> of it. Only one person even knew what I was talking about. The rest were
> clueless. I'm not saying that it has a direct correllation between that
> sort of knowledge and use of a program like poker tracker, but I do think
> that ignorance knows no bounds (for proof of that, read RGP). Chances are
> most players don't even know what poker tracker is.
>
> As far as how I feel about people using it against me...lol...go ahead.
> I'm playing a prime level where people would be using them (50c/1 and 1/2
> NLHE and PLO), but it hasn't seemed to affect me yet. At least not any
> more than I affect myself.
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com

I used to use PokerTracker/PokerAce HUD quite extensively when I played
the 15/30 LHE game at Party, and I found it quite useful in identifying
the real fish (for example, here comes a guy raising who's seen 70% of
flops and come in raising almost every time, so I should go ahead and
reraise in position with AJo), but I also found I can just remember most
of that stuff myself. I don't like to pay attention, so the PAHUD did
actually help.

------
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"Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if
you look at it right" -RH

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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:57:56
From: Peter Anderson
Subject: Re: charts/calculators while playing?

i would think you'd be a fool not to use aids

<mark_s_nospam@entouch.net > wrote in message
news:1166549903.682692.143650@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> i'm not going to ask individuals to admit if they use them or not but
> i'm curious what you think about everyone else. while playing online
> what percentage of people do you think use calculators, poker tracker
> stats, etc while playing. do you think the percentage changes depending
> on what limits you're playing? i see other posts discussing if they
> think it's cheating or not but i'm more curious about how widely used
> they might be. just curious. thanks.
>

Date: 19 Dec 2006 23:12:29
From: Bill Clark
Subject: Re: charts/calculators while playing?

"Peter Anderson" <andersonpete@hotmail.com > wrote in
news:EKVhh.6495$HT5.4233@trnddc02:

> i would think you'd be a fool not to use aids

I've given them a brief stab and found them distracting from
thinking things out...

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Date: 20 Dec 2006 02:57:57
From: Tate and Lyle
Subject: Re: charts/calculators while playing?

<mark_s_nospam@entouch.net > wrote in message
news:1166549903.682692.143650@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> i'm not going to ask individuals to admit if they use them or not but
> i'm curious what you think about everyone else. while playing online
> what percentage of people do you think use calculators, poker tracker
> stats, etc while playing. do you think the percentage changes depending
> on what limits you're playing? i see other posts discussing if they
> think it's cheating or not but i'm more curious about how widely used
> they might be. just curious. thanks.
>
You don't need a computerto tell you AA is better than 72.

Higher limit = tighter players usually.

I had a prog to tell me how tight players were preflop but there were
few players I played enought to make it worthwhile.
The ones who I did play regularly, well basically I already knew
how tight or loose they were so not much help really, you kinda
remember the players who are good!! And those who are bad!!

In most situations the computer will tell you what you could easilly
work out for yourself. In one on one situationes I sometimes use
a calculator to tell me my chance of winning for example I just
picked what I thought would be a 50/50 ish hand J8 off suit, and it
tells me it is 51.5% which confirms what I already knew.
J7 is 49.6% so how close was my guess, which incidently was a
hand I might push with in a tourney late one on one huge blinds and
maybe only a few more hands if I folded.
SO I can guess with in about 1%, the rake (in none toury games is 5%!!)
Food for thought!!!

So overall I don't think it makes much difference.
I currently play unaided other than a starting hand chart which basically
tellme what I already know!! Except perhaps on some marginal hands
which basically I play depending on the table conditions anyway, by that
I mean if I am on a winning streak I tend to play more, if I have been
losing then I play less, but I do that anyway unless I have tripped (again).

Best advice is to concentrate on the opposition cards (which you can't see)
but you can get a feel for how they play and that is how I play.
Playing cash no limit at the moment.

Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:01:15
From: Old Wolf
Subject: Re: poll: charts/calculators while playing?

XaQ Morphy wrote:
> I used to think that there were quite a few who used poker tracker HUDs
> and the like, but now I'm not so sure
>
> As far as how I feel about people using it against me...lol...go ahead.
> I'm playing a prime level where people would be using them (50c/1 and 1/2
> NLHE and PLO), but it hasn't seemed to affect me yet. At least not any
> more than I affect myself.

I found PokerOffice useful, especially when not paying attention.

If you know someone's flop % and aggressiveness then you can
put them on a narrower (or wider) range of hands than you might
otherwise.

Also, you can look at what it says your own aggressiveness is;
this helps to avoid passive play.

Date: 20 Dec 2006 12:22:28
From: Sir Benjamin Nunn
Subject: Re: charts/calculators while playing?