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Date: 27 Nov 2006 12:40:05
From: xyious
Subject: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results)
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just posting this for morphy's reading pleasure, don't wanna seem to be
whining or anything, and there's no information whatsoever in this post,
so move along.
so i hit a really bad streak, and dropped 450.20 this month playing $6.50
turbos on stars (plus a few reasonable losses in plo8, stud8, nlhe).
that's over 316 SNGs.
-Alexander Knopf
http://www.xyious.com/?links
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 15:52:11
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results)
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I don't need your results to call you a donkey. All anyone needs as proof
is a few of your posts.
Morphy
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 05:51:29
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results)
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I have to say that Morphy was real instrumental in helping me get my game
back on track/improving it.
Zen of Poker has helped tremendously. Also the threads on MTT's. (can't
remember the title)
Some things that I have changed are:
Avoiding races. Doesn't mean I won't, but I choose to try to out play
them. Wait, wait, wait. Watch what is going on closely. Never focus on
a player with the intent of busting him. Have a clear image of your
style.
I found that 27 man SnG's fit my style well. You get a good mix of full
table and short handed and the payout is very good and pretty easy to make
the money if you can play a lick and get a few decent hands.
4 thumbs up to the Morph man.
On Nov 27 2006 2:40 PM, xyious wrote:
> just posting this for morphy's reading pleasure, don't wanna seem to be
> whining or anything, and there's no information whatsoever in this post,
> so move along.
>
> so i hit a really bad streak, and dropped 450.20 this month playing $6.50
> turbos on stars (plus a few reasonable losses in plo8, stud8, nlhe).
> that's over 316 SNGs.
>
>
> -Alexander Knopf
> http://www.xyious.com/?links
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 18:42:21
From: xyious
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results)
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On Nov 28 2006 2:51 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
> I have to say that Morphy was real instrumental in helping me get my game
> back on track/improving it.
>
> Zen of Poker has helped tremendously. Also the threads on MTT's. (can't
> remember the title)
>
> Some things that I have changed are:
>
> Avoiding races. Doesn't mean I won't, but I choose to try to out play
> them. Wait, wait, wait. Watch what is going on closely. Never focus on
> a player with the intent of busting him. Have a clear image of your
> style.
>
> I found that 27 man SnG's fit my style well. You get a good mix of full
> table and short handed and the payout is very good and pretty easy to make
> the money if you can play a lick and get a few decent hands.
>
> 4 thumbs up to the Morph man.
i agree with all of the above.
but he likes to call me a donkey and i'm pretty sure he thinks i'm stupid,
so i felt like posting that for him.
>
>
>
> On Nov 27 2006 2:40 PM, xyious wrote:
>
> > just posting this for morphy's reading pleasure, don't wanna seem to be
> > whining or anything, and there's no information whatsoever in this post,
> > so move along.
> >
> > so i hit a really bad streak, and dropped 450.20 this month playing $6.50
> > turbos on stars (plus a few reasonable losses in plo8, stud8, nlhe).
> > that's over 316 SNGs.
> >
> >
> > -Alexander Knopf
> > http://www.xyious.com/?links
-Alexander Knopf
http://www.xyious.com/?links
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:13:23
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results)
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> but he likes to call me a donkey and i'm pretty sure he thinks i'm stupid,
> so i felt like posting that for him.
Whatever gave you that idea, you stupid donkey?
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 20:58:20
From: xyious
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results)
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On Nov 29 2006 4:13 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > but he likes to call me a donkey and i'm pretty sure he thinks i'm stupid,
> > so i felt like posting that for him.
>
> Whatever gave you that idea, you stupid donkey?
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
the voices in my head keep telling me that.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 04:26:03
From: Old Wolf
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results) (BAHH)
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xyious wrote:
> so i hit a really bad streak, and dropped 450.20 this month playing $6.50
> turbos on stars (plus a few reasonable losses in plo8, stud8, nlhe).
> that's over 316 SNGs.
Do you face this sort of rubbish in your ones?
PokerStars Game #7209500867: Tournament #36858875, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/11/28 - 07:20:53 (ET)
Table '36858875 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: BUTCHER333 (1190 in chips)
Seat 3: SchumiSRM (1415 in chips)
Seat 4: Venuch (1670 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: caliapy (1475 in chips)
Seat 6: tab2260 (1715 in chips)
Seat 7: psynce7 (1130 in chips)
Seat 8: Old Wolf NZ (3465 in chips)
Seat 9: Scorpion333 (1440 in chips)
psynce7: posts small blind 25
Old Wolf NZ: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [5d Jc]
Venuch has returned
Scorpion333: folds
BUTCHER333: raises 50 to 100
SchumiSRM: folds
Venuch: calls 100
caliapy: calls 100
tab2260: folds
psynce7: folds
Old Wolf NZ: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [5c Ad Js]
Old Wolf NZ: checks
BUTCHER333: checks
Venuch: bets 145
caliapy: calls 145
Old Wolf NZ: raises 1205 to 1350
BUTCHER333: folds
Venuch: folds
caliapy: calls 1205
*** TURN *** [5c Ad Js] [Qs]
Old Wolf NZ: bets 50
caliapy: calls 25 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [5c Ad Js Qs] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Old Wolf NZ: shows [5d Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
caliapy: shows [4s 5h] (a pair of Fives)
caliapy is sitting out
Old Wolf NZ collected 3320 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3320
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 04:55:36
From: xyious
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results) (BAHH)
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On Nov 28 2006 1:26 PM, Old Wolf wrote:
> xyious wrote:
> > so i hit a really bad streak, and dropped 450.20 this month playing $6.50
> > turbos on stars (plus a few reasonable losses in plo8, stud8, nlhe).
> > that's over 316 SNGs.
>
> Do you face this sort of rubbish in your ones?
no, more this sort of rubbish:
funny thing is we both have a diamond....
PokerStars Game #7209060062: Tournament #36856433, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No
Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/11/28 - 05:31:43 (ET)
Table '36856433 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kcoutlaw (1590 in chips)
Seat 2: trexwmu (2390 in chips)
Seat 4: TheCommons (2400 in chips)
Seat 5: KrazyMofo24 (775 in chips)
Seat 6: Immortal516 (1360 in chips)
Seat 8: exodus0073 (2685 in chips)
Seat 9: xyious (2895 in chips)
Seat 10: Kanardi (905 in chips)
TheCommons: posts small blind 50
KrazyMofo24: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xyious [Kc Kd]
Immortal516: folds
exodus0073: calls 100
xyious: raises 300 to 400
Kanardi: folds
kcoutlaw: raises 1190 to 1590 and is all-in
trexwmu: folds
TheCommons: folds
KrazyMofo24: folds
exodus0073: raises 1095 to 2685 and is all-in
xyious: calls 2285
*** FLOP *** [3d 9d 8s]
*** TURN *** [3d 9d 8s] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [3d 9d 8s 4d] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
exodus0073: shows [Ad Td] (a flush, Ace high)
xyious: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
exodus0073 collected 2190 from side pot
kcoutlaw: shows [Ac Qd] (high card Ace)
exodus0073 collected 4920 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7110 Main pot 4920. Side pot 2190.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 04:10:03
From: Old Wolf
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results) (BAHH)
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xyious wrote:
> On Nov 28 2006 1:26 PM, Old Wolf wrote:
> > xyious wrote:
> > > so i hit a really bad streak, and dropped 450.20 this month playing $6.50
> > > turbos on stars (plus a few reasonable losses in plo8, stud8, nlhe).
> > > that's over 316 SNGs.
> >
> > Do you face this sort of rubbish in your ones?
>
> no, more this sort of rubbish:
I've played 4 of them today, got 4th 3 times and 5th in this one.
I see what you mean now!
Variance sucks.
PokerStars Game #7250798129: Tournament #37075839, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/12/01 - 06:51:22 (ET)
Table '37075839 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: vxml12 (1970 in chips)
Seat 3: daveb510 (5060 in chips)
Seat 5: busboy22001 (1265 in chips)
Seat 7: Old Wolf NZ (2415 in chips)
Seat 8: br_1221 (2790 in chips)
busboy22001: posts small blind 50
Old Wolf NZ: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [3s Qs]
br_1221: folds
vxml12: folds
daveb510: raises 100 to 200
busboy22001: folds
Old Wolf NZ: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [4s Td Ks]
Old Wolf NZ: checks
daveb510: bets 200
Old Wolf NZ: raises 300 to 500
daveb510: calls 300
*** TURN *** [4s Td Ks] [Ts]
Old Wolf NZ: bets 400
daveb510: raises 400 to 800
Old Wolf NZ: raises 915 to 1715 and is all-in
daveb510: calls 915
*** RIVER *** [4s Td Ks Ts] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Old Wolf NZ: shows [3s Qs] (a flush, King high)
daveb510: shows [Tc 9h] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)
daveb510 collected 4880 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4880
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 18:40:05
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results) (BAHH)
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On Dec 1 2006 5:10 AM, Old Wolf wrote:
> I've played 4 of them today, got 4th 3 times and 5th in this one.
> I see what you mean now!
>
> Variance sucks.
>
> PokerStars Game #7250798129: Tournament #37075839, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em
> No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/12/01 - 06:51:22 (ET)
> Table '37075839 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
> Seat 2: vxml12 (1970 in chips)
> Seat 3: daveb510 (5060 in chips)
> Seat 5: busboy22001 (1265 in chips)
> Seat 7: Old Wolf NZ (2415 in chips)
> Seat 8: br_1221 (2790 in chips)
> busboy22001: posts small blind 50
> Old Wolf NZ: posts big blind 100
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [3s Qs]
> br_1221: folds
> vxml12: folds
> daveb510: raises 100 to 200
> busboy22001: folds
> Old Wolf NZ: calls 100
> *** FLOP *** [4s Td Ks]
> Old Wolf NZ: checks
> daveb510: bets 200
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 300 to 500
What, exactly, is the point of this raise? It won't get anyon ebut a pure
bluff to fold (which you are likely ahead of anyway), it gets more money
in the pot when you know you are behind, and serves no other purpose.
Truly a terrible play.
> daveb510: calls 300
> *** TURN *** [4s Td Ks] [Ts]
> Old Wolf NZ: bets 400
This is also terrible. The pot is 1400, and you bet less than 1/3 of the
pot. You are giving over 4:1 odds to an opponent who may have the As
(which would still only be a marginal mistake), and you have no plausible
way of getting the rest in on the river unless your opponent holds trips
or better. A bet of 600 or 700 would be appropriate here.
> daveb510: raises 400 to 800
> Old Wolf NZ: raises 915 to 1715 and is all-in
> daveb510: calls 915
> *** RIVER *** [4s Td Ks Ts] [9s]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Old Wolf NZ: shows [3s Qs] (a flush, King high)
> daveb510: shows [Tc 9h] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)
Bad luck, but he had 10 outs here, and you may have been behind as it was.
> daveb510 collected 4880 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 4880
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 20:05:59
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results) (BAHH)
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> > Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [3s Qs]
> > br_1221: folds
> > vxml12: folds
> > daveb510: raises 100 to 200
> > busboy22001: folds
> > Old Wolf NZ: calls 100
> > *** FLOP *** [4s Td Ks]
> > Old Wolf NZ: checks
> > daveb510: bets 200
> > Old Wolf NZ: raises 300 to 500
>
> What, exactly, is the point of this raise? It won't get anyon ebut a pure
> bluff to fold (which you are likely ahead of anyway), it gets more money
> in the pot when you know you are behind, and serves no other purpose.
> Truly a terrible play.
Oooh wait, I know I know! One of those FTP articles said to check-raise
your draws sometime!
Morphy
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 21:43:53
From: Old Wolf
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results) (BAHH)
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FellKnight wrote:
> Truly a terrible play.
Ok, here's my problem. Normally I play tight-ish and fairly passive.
> Old Wolf wrote:
> > I've played 4 of them today, got 4th 3 times and 5th in this one.
> > I see what you mean now!
So I often have to end up dribbling into 4th and having a tough
bubble battle. This doesn't seem right so I am trying to improve
my play by being more aggressive when opportunities arise.
> > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [3s Qs]
> > br_1221: folds
> > vxml12: folds
> > daveb510: raises 100 to 200
> > busboy22001: folds
> > Old Wolf NZ: calls 100
> > *** FLOP *** [4s Td Ks]
> > Old Wolf NZ: checks
> > daveb510: bets 200
> > Old Wolf NZ: raises 300 to 500
>
> What, exactly, is the point of this raise?
I don't want to passively call off all my chips on a draw. If I call
then I can only win by getting a spade. But if I raise then I can
also win by the other guy folding. People usually fold to a
check-raise anyway. So it seemed the better option.
As for why I didn't make a bigger raise as another poster
suggested, I find that when I try to play aggressively I
often build up an early lead (eg. I have 4000 chips, 5 others
have about 1500-2000 chips). Then I make a few aggressive
plays and either lose, or have to fold to people coming over
the top of me, and I get down to being just the same as
everyone else.
So now I try to make smaller raises so that after this
happens then I still have some sort of a lead.
> It won't get anyon ebut a pure
> bluff to fold (which you are likely ahead of anyway), it gets more money
> in the pot when you know you are behind, and serves no other purpose.
So your advice is that I should in fact call here?
>
> > daveb510: calls 300
> > *** TURN *** [4s Td Ks] [Ts]
> > Old Wolf NZ: bets 400
>
> This is also terrible. The pot is 1400, and you bet less than 1/3 of the
> pot. You are giving over 4:1 odds to an opponent who may have the As
> (which would still only be a marginal mistake), and you have no plausible
> way of getting the rest in on the river unless your opponent holds trips
> or better. A bet of 600 or 700 would be appropriate here.
I didn't want to bet more in case the guy folded, since he bet the
flop it was more likely he had Kx than Ax so I was not worried
about the As.
So, in summary, I want to play more aggressively but whenever
I do, I end up blowing all my chips and going out of the tournament
in 8th or 9th (or maybe 7th if I'm lucky). Waiting for big hands
before being aggressive doesn't seem to work, as it is a turbo
tournament and it's no good getting blinded down to 800 and then
getting aces and everyone folds cos I'm obviously a rock, and
even if I'm lucky and double up then I am just back where I started.
What's your advice?
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 21:57:32
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: just so morphy can call me a donkey (this month's SNG results) (BAHH)
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On Dec 2 2006 10:43 PM, Old Wolf wrote:
> FellKnight wrote:
> > Truly a terrible play.
>
> Ok, here's my problem. Normally I play tight-ish and fairly passive.
>
> > Old Wolf wrote:
> > > I've played 4 of them today, got 4th 3 times and 5th in this one.
> > > I see what you mean now!
>
> So I often have to end up dribbling into 4th and having a tough
> bubble battle. This doesn't seem right so I am trying to improve
> my play by being more aggressive when opportunities arise.
>
> > > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > > Dealt to Old Wolf NZ [3s Qs]
> > > br_1221: folds
> > > vxml12: folds
> > > daveb510: raises 100 to 200
> > > busboy22001: folds
> > > Old Wolf NZ: calls 100
> > > *** FLOP *** [4s Td Ks]
> > > Old Wolf NZ: checks
> > > daveb510: bets 200
> > > Old Wolf NZ: raises 300 to 500
> >
> > What, exactly, is the point of this raise?
>
> I don't want to passively call off all my chips on a draw. If I call
> then I can only win by getting a spade. But if I raise then I can
> also win by the other guy folding. People usually fold to a
> check-raise anyway. So it seemed the better option.
>
> As for why I didn't make a bigger raise as another poster
> suggested, I find that when I try to play aggressively I
> often build up an early lead (eg. I have 4000 chips, 5 others
> have about 1500-2000 chips). Then I make a few aggressive
> plays and either lose, or have to fold to people coming over
> the top of me, and I get down to being just the same as
> everyone else.
>
> So now I try to make smaller raises so that after this
> happens then I still have some sort of a lead.
>
> > It won't get anyon ebut a pure
> > bluff to fold (which you are likely ahead of anyway), it gets more money
> > in the pot when you know you are behind, and serves no other purpose.
>
> So your advice is that I should in fact call here?
Or check-raise bigger, or lead out. I like leading out myself.
> >
> > > daveb510: calls 300
> > > *** TURN *** [4s Td Ks] [Ts]
> > > Old Wolf NZ: bets 400
> >
> > This is also terrible. The pot is 1400, and you bet less than 1/3 of the
> > pot. You are giving over 4:1 odds to an opponent who may have the As
> > (which would still only be a marginal mistake), and you have no plausible
> > way of getting the rest in on the river unless your opponent holds trips
> > or better. A bet of 600 or 700 would be appropriate here.
>
> I didn't want to bet more in case the guy folded, since he bet the
> flop it was more likely he had Kx than Ax so I was not worried
> about the As.
Yes, but your goal with a big hand should always be to get all your chips
(or his chips) into the pot. This is why you play NL/PL. Bet 600 or 700
on the turn.
> So, in summary, I want to play more aggressively but whenever
> I do, I end up blowing all my chips and going out of the tournament
> in 8th or 9th (or maybe 7th if I'm lucky). Waiting for big hands
> before being aggressive doesn't seem to work, as it is a turbo
> tournament and it's no good getting blinded down to 800 and then
> getting aces and everyone folds cos I'm obviously a rock, and
> even if I'm lucky and double up then I am just back where I started.
>
> What's your advice?
I'm surprised that people fold to you that much. Simply play very tight
for a couple of levels, then open up and attack, especially in position.
If you want to try something new, simply flip a coin when it is folded to
you in the cutoff or button and open-raise any two cards. You'll get
action. I sure do :)
Fell
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