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Date: 12 Dec 2006 17:41:32
From: storman99
Subject: is online poker rigged
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i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
do think it is rigged.
as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
software)
i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
a start
.
this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
played had about 100.000k hands
this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
rigged are not
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 21:29:53
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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storman99 wrote:
> will i get in any trouble for posting other players results
I'm in no position to comment of the moral, legal, or ethical impact of
you personally posting hand histories. Perhaps in your country, moral
code, and/or in your subjective reality, it's a horrible insult
punishable by flogging. Only you know/can find out for sure.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 20:30:09
From: storman99
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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will i get in any trouble for posting other players results
Bill Ricardi wrote:
> storman99 wrote:
> > show me how and i will i have poker tracker dont know how to copy it
> > hell if i could load my hole tracker online i would. i have 3 poker
> > trackers databases two of then are full with a total of about 6
> > million hands (so im not new at this)
>
> Here are my standard canned instructions:
>
>
> A) If you don't have a web page of your own, sign up for a free
> service. Some examples:
>
> http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/learn2/WhatYouGet4_Free.html
>
> http://www.tripod.lycos.com/
>
> http://www.50megs.com/
>
>
> Those give you 15 megs, 20 megs, and 50 megs of free space,
> respectively. For this particular use, 50 megs would be useful.
>
>
> B) Find your database file. You set up this location when you either
> import or auto import hand histories. If you right-click on this file
> and select Properties, you can see how big it is. If it's bigger than
> 50 megs, you may want to compress it with WinZip.
>
> C) Upload your database file to your free web page. Just follow the
> online instructions of your free web hosting provider.
>
> D) Use your free web hosting provider's most basic web page creator to
> make a web page with just one link, to the file you uploaded. You don't
> need to do anything fancy here, just link the file to the web site.
>
> E) Post the address of your free web site to this thread.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 19:55:42
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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storman99 wrote:
> show me how and i will i have poker tracker dont know how to copy it
> hell if i could load my hole tracker online i would. i have 3 poker
> trackers databases two of then are full with a total of about 6
> million hands (so im not new at this)
Here are my standard canned instructions:
A) If you don't have a web page of your own, sign up for a free
service. Some examples:
http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/learn2/WhatYouGet4_Free.html
http://www.tripod.lycos.com/
http://www.50megs.com/
Those give you 15 megs, 20 megs, and 50 megs of free space,
respectively. For this particular use, 50 megs would be useful.
B) Find your database file. You set up this location when you either
import or auto import hand histories. If you right-click on this file
and select Properties, you can see how big it is. If it's bigger than
50 megs, you may want to compress it with WinZip.
C) Upload your database file to your free web page. Just follow the
online instructions of your free web hosting provider.
D) Use your free web hosting provider's most basic web page creator to
make a web page with just one link, to the file you uploaded. You don't
need to do anything fancy here, just link the file to the web site.
E) Post the address of your free web site to this thread.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 19:31:35
From:
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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storman99 wrote:
> only up about 3200 that sounds like a lot to most players. but thats
> less then one penny a hand after 500.000k hands. did'nt start
> winning tell about 100.000k hands after that i would win for a month
> then lose for a month for the next year. whats funny is i never had a
> winning week the months i lost and never had a losing week the months i
> won. its like they turn a switch on then off
How big is the wall that holds all the switches?
> i here this from a lot
I'm sure you mean "hear".
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 19:29:41
From: storman99
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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show me how and i will i have poker tracker dont know how to copy it
hell if i could load my hole tracker online i would. i have 3 poker
trackers databases two of then are full with a total of about 6
million hands (so im not new at this)
Bill Ricardi wrote:
> storman99 wrote:
> > i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> > do think it is rigged.
> > as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> > the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> > the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> > get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> > then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> > proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> > on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> > software)
>
> Please post the database for full analysis. Thanks.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 18:58:21
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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storman99 wrote:
> i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> do think it is rigged.
> as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> software)
Please post the database for full analysis. Thanks.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 18:27:16
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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Based on writing skills, I highly doubt you have the ability to even play
poker.
On Dec 12 2006 7:41 PM, storman99 wrote:
> i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> do think it is rigged.
> as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> software)
> i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> a start
> .
> this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> played had about 100.000k hands
> this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> rigged are not
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 18:32:50
From: storman99
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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only up about 3200 that sounds like a lot to most players. but thats
less then one penny a hand after 500.000k hands. did'nt start
winning tell about 100.000k hands after that i would win for a month
then lose for a month for the next year. whats funny is i never had a
winning week the months i lost and never had a losing week the months i
won. its like they turn a switch on then off i here this from a lot
of players
Omaholic wrote:
> On Dec 12 2006 5:41 PM, storman99 wrote:
>
> > i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> > do think it is rigged.
> > as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> > the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> > the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> > get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> > then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> > proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> > on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> > software)
> > i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> > takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> > know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> > players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> > hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> > softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> > tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> > couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> > players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> > theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> > your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> > players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> > way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> > up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> > same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> > when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> > those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> > are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> > out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> > a start
> > .
> > this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> > played had about 100.000k hands
> > this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> > to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> > rigged are not
>
> Judging from your post, it *must* be rigged if you are actually up a
> little money after 500k hands.
>
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 17:51:32
From: Omaholic
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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On Dec 12 2006 5:41 PM, storman99 wrote:
> i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> do think it is rigged.
> as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> software)
> i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> a start
> .
> this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> played had about 100.000k hands
> this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> rigged are not
Judging from your post, it *must* be rigged if you are actually up a
little money after 500k hands.
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Date: 14 Dec
From: Super Steamer
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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On Dec 12 2006 5:51 PM, Omaholic wrote:
> On Dec 12 2006 5:41 PM, storman99 wrote:
>
> > i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> > do think it is rigged.
> > as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> > the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> > the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> > get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> > then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> > proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> > on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> > software)
> > i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> > takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> > know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> > players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> > hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> > softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> > tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> > couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> > players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> > theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> > your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> > players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> > way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> > up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> > same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> > when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> > those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> > are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> > out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> > a start
> > .
> > this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> > played had about 100.000k hands
> > this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> > to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> > rigged are not
>
> Judging from your post, it *must* be rigged if you are actually up a
> little money after 500k hands.
You have a lot more patience than me if you actually got all the way through
that thing.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 17:46:09
From: fuggit
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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It's absolutely rigged. I don't even think it's a real player your
playing against at times. I really think that the sites are going after
the Americans because they know it's eventually going down the tubes. I
really think that the sites are screwing Americans out of their money.
Not talking about rake, talking about site bots designed to strip your
money away. I won consistently before the ban, but not anymore. Just
like you said, I flop a full house, another player flopped one better.
I flop the staight, someone hits the flush consistently. It's rigged.
storman99 wrote:
> i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> do think it is rigged.
> as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> software)
> i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> a start
> .
> this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> played had about 100.000k hands
> this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> rigged are not
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 22:11:09
From: storman99
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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on one tracker i have payed $19.409.00 in rakes take to long to upon
other tracker
storman99 wrote:
> well i study my play as much as i play mybe im not as good as a pro.
> but i know what plays will lose you money in the long run (you will
> lose money in the long run i love when players say that. its easy to
> put then on tilt are make bad calls) i think i can read players ok
> as for rake yes its a killer but stealing small pots makes some of
> that
>
> and do you know any one that has made more money then there rake
> ben carr wrote:
> > Not to be a smartass, but is it possible you arent as good as you think?
> > Or the rake could be killing you too?
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 21:47:03
From: storman99
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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well i study my play as much as i play mybe im not as good as a pro.
but i know what plays will lose you money in the long run (you will
lose money in the long run i love when players say that. its easy to
put then on tilt are make bad calls) i think i can read players ok
as for rake yes its a killer but stealing small pots makes some of
that
and do you know any one that has made more money then there rake
ben carr wrote:
> Not to be a smartass, but is it possible you arent as good as you think?
> Or the rake could be killing you too?
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Date: 13 Dec
From: cobrahead5
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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oh boy another one of these...I'm sorry but there really isn't a whole lot of
proof (just like the OP said). What site do you play on fuggit? I've been playin
on full tilt and absolute and have not lost money (this was all after the ban)
so I think that's kind of an ignorant statement. Plus what's even wosre is you
complaining about the rake...I know that Absolute takes an entire NICKLE out of
a 1 dollar pot (no limit 10/25 cent)...where in a casino you have to pay like $6
every half hour (1/2 no limt in windsor...I hear this happens at Foxwoods too).
I really think you ignore the fact that we see A whole lot more hands online
than in a live game. Sometimes a hand can last less than 30 seconds. If you do
play live, count the number of times these so called bad beats occur. I think
you'd be suprised how often it really does occur live!
On Dec 12 2006 8:46 PM, fuggit wrote:
> It's absolutely rigged. I don't even think it's a real player your
> playing against at times. I really think that the sites are going after
> the Americans because they know it's eventually going down the tubes. I
> really think that the sites are screwing Americans out of their money.
> Not talking about rake, talking about site bots designed to strip your
> money away. I won consistently before the ban, but not anymore. Just
> like you said, I flop a full house, another player flopped one better.
> I flop the staight, someone hits the flush consistently. It's rigged.
> storman99 wrote:
> > i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> > do think it is rigged.
> > as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> > the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> > the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> > get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> > then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> > proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> > on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> > software)
> > i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> > takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> > know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> > players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> > hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> > softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> > tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> > couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> > players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> > theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> > your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> > players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> > way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> > up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> > same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> > when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> > those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> > are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> > out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> > a start
> > .
> > this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> > played had about 100.000k hands
> > this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> > to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> > rigged are not
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 23:35:47
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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Not to be a smartass, but is it possible you arent as good as you think?
Or the rake could be killing you too?
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:26:48
From: fuggit
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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It's rigged.
Ian Stuart wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 1:41 AM, storman99 wrote:
>
> > i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> > do think it is rigged.
> > as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> > the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> > the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> > get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> > then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> > proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> > on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> > software)
> > i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> > takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> > know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> > players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> > hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> > softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> > tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> > couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> > players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> > theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> > your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> > players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> > way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> > up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> > same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> > when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> > those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> > are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> > out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> > a start
> > .
> > this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> > played had about 100.000k hands
> > this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> > to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> > rigged are not
>
> This looks like a classic case of you thinking you are better than you
> really are. Based on 1/2 million hands PokerTracker confirms that the
> distribution of starting hands and made hands is in line with expectation,
> yet your gut feel is that something is still wrong. The reason you feel
> that way is that you appear to believe you should be doing better than you
> actually are. There are really only two sensible possibilities here:
>
> A) You are not as good as you think you are;
> B) The programmers have managed to develop algorithms that skew the game
> without showing any statistical anomalies;
>
> B might be possible, though I personally doubt it. It would certainly
> (IMHO) require a level of skill and talent bordering on genius.
>
> As someone who claims to have a lot of exposure to the major online sites,
> do they strike you as being the work of technical geniuses? We've had a
> post recently that revealed that UB can't figure out how to remove a
> player from an individual table without removing said player from all the
> games he's in. Party Poker can't get a waiting list working properly, nor
> could Prima last time I played there. Most of the sites are still unable
> to offer resizable tables, and the few that do have less than perfect
> implementations. None of the sites have yet managed to achieve 100%
> availability of their systems, most are not even close. Technical
> geniuses? Sure.
>
> For me the only real explanation for your suspicion is option A. My
> statistics fully support that possibility, as the majority of players I
> know (myself included) are, or have been at some point in their
> development, not as good as they think they are. Most don't realise just
> how complex and dynamic the game actually is. They read about starting
> hands and basic postflop strategy and think they are masters of the game.
> They hit the NO LIMIT tables armed with a basic understanding of basic
> LIMIT strategy and really expect to make a fortune. They don't get the
> point that the game is not about cards, it's about people. When you put
> 6,9,10 or whatever individual human minds into a game of incomplete
> information you end up with an extremely complex and dynamic situation. If
> you are talented enough and have very good observational skills, mental
> agility, memory and discipline you might become an above average player
> and make a lot of money, but for most players mediocre profits should be
> considered a real accomplishment - that's a statistical reality.
>
> As long as you prefer to satisfy your ego with hunches and conspiracy
> theories, in spite of the statistical proof that you collected yourself,
> you will never find the motivation to take your game to the next level.
> Your choice.
>
> --------
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:26:35
From: fuggit
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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Ian Stuart wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 1:41 AM, storman99 wrote:
>
> > i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> > do think it is rigged.
> > as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> > the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> > the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> > get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> > then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> > proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> > on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> > software)
> > i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> > takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> > know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> > players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> > hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> > softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> > tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> > couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> > players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> > theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> > your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> > players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> > way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> > up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> > same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> > when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> > those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> > are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> > out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> > a start
> > .
> > this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> > played had about 100.000k hands
> > this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> > to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> > rigged are not
>
> This looks like a classic case of you thinking you are better than you
> really are. Based on 1/2 million hands PokerTracker confirms that the
> distribution of starting hands and made hands is in line with expectation,
> yet your gut feel is that something is still wrong. The reason you feel
> that way is that you appear to believe you should be doing better than you
> actually are. There are really only two sensible possibilities here:
>
> A) You are not as good as you think you are;
> B) The programmers have managed to develop algorithms that skew the game
> without showing any statistical anomalies;
>
> B might be possible, though I personally doubt it. It would certainly
> (IMHO) require a level of skill and talent bordering on genius.
>
> As someone who claims to have a lot of exposure to the major online sites,
> do they strike you as being the work of technical geniuses? We've had a
> post recently that revealed that UB can't figure out how to remove a
> player from an individual table without removing said player from all the
> games he's in. Party Poker can't get a waiting list working properly, nor
> could Prima last time I played there. Most of the sites are still unable
> to offer resizable tables, and the few that do have less than perfect
> implementations. None of the sites have yet managed to achieve 100%
> availability of their systems, most are not even close. Technical
> geniuses? Sure.
>
> For me the only real explanation for your suspicion is option A. My
> statistics fully support that possibility, as the majority of players I
> know (myself included) are, or have been at some point in their
> development, not as good as they think they are. Most don't realise just
> how complex and dynamic the game actually is. They read about starting
> hands and basic postflop strategy and think they are masters of the game.
> They hit the NO LIMIT tables armed with a basic understanding of basic
> LIMIT strategy and really expect to make a fortune. They don't get the
> point that the game is not about cards, it's about people. When you put
> 6,9,10 or whatever individual human minds into a game of incomplete
> information you end up with an extremely complex and dynamic situation. If
> you are talented enough and have very good observational skills, mental
> agility, memory and discipline you might become an above average player
> and make a lot of money, but for most players mediocre profits should be
> considered a real accomplishment - that's a statistical reality.
>
> As long as you prefer to satisfy your ego with hunches and conspiracy
> theories, in spite of the statistical proof that you collected yourself,
> you will never find the motivation to take your game to the next level.
> Your choice.
>
> --------
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 01:48:18
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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On Dec 13 2006 1:41 AM, storman99 wrote:
> i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> do think it is rigged.
> as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> software)
> i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> a start
> .
> this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> played had about 100.000k hands
> this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> rigged are not
This looks like a classic case of you thinking you are better than you
really are. Based on 1/2 million hands PokerTracker confirms that the
distribution of starting hands and made hands is in line with expectation,
yet your gut feel is that something is still wrong. The reason you feel
that way is that you appear to believe you should be doing better than you
actually are. There are really only two sensible possibilities here:
A) You are not as good as you think you are;
B) The programmers have managed to develop algorithms that skew the game
without showing any statistical anomalies;
B might be possible, though I personally doubt it. It would certainly
(IMHO) require a level of skill and talent bordering on genius.
As someone who claims to have a lot of exposure to the major online sites,
do they strike you as being the work of technical geniuses? We've had a
post recently that revealed that UB can't figure out how to remove a
player from an individual table without removing said player from all the
games he's in. Party Poker can't get a waiting list working properly, nor
could Prima last time I played there. Most of the sites are still unable
to offer resizable tables, and the few that do have less than perfect
implementations. None of the sites have yet managed to achieve 100%
availability of their systems, most are not even close. Technical
geniuses? Sure.
For me the only real explanation for your suspicion is option A. My
statistics fully support that possibility, as the majority of players I
know (myself included) are, or have been at some point in their
development, not as good as they think they are. Most don't realise just
how complex and dynamic the game actually is. They read about starting
hands and basic postflop strategy and think they are masters of the game.
They hit the NO LIMIT tables armed with a basic understanding of basic
LIMIT strategy and really expect to make a fortune. They don't get the
point that the game is not about cards, it's about people. When you put
6,9,10 or whatever individual human minds into a game of incomplete
information you end up with an extremely complex and dynamic situation. If
you are talented enough and have very good observational skills, mental
agility, memory and discipline you might become an above average player
and make a lot of money, but for most players mediocre profits should be
considered a real accomplishment - that's a statistical reality.
As long as you prefer to satisfy your ego with hunches and conspiracy
theories, in spite of the statistical proof that you collected yourself,
you will never find the motivation to take your game to the next level.
Your choice.
--------
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 17:56:03
From: storman99
Subject: Re: is online poker rigged
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.
storman99 wrote:
> i have played over 500.000k hands on line and up a little money and i
> do think it is rigged.
> as what poker tracker says the percentages are right on the money for
> the hole cards and getting trips str8s, flushes, ect are all right on
> the money. so theres nothing rigged about the type of hands that you
> get but when you hit your hand someone has alittle better hand
> then yours i think more often then it should. of course i dont have
> proof and i dont know if willson software can give you this percentage
> on how often a str8 are a flush will get beat. (i dont have that
> software)
> i do notice that you win with your first deposit on a site then it
> takes about 50 to 100k hands before turning a small profit.
> know the only way i think to prove if it is rigged is to get 100
> players from all over the country. 50 new and 50 players with 100k
> hands played. where every one plays the same way by useing the same
> softwares such as hand calculator are something like that and poker
> tracker ( this is not a spam i downloaded one of this softwares a
> couple of years ago but never hardly use it ) and i think the 50
> players with the most hands played will win more then the other 50.
> theres many other things you could do like going all in preflop when
> your 100% ahead and a 70% are more favorite with one of the other
> players. do this about 1.000 times and i bet the percentages would be
> way off , are mybe chip dumping. this would work if the sites are set
> up like slots at 99% payout. you would dump all your money to the
> same player tell he is up about 4to 5k then he could start going all in
> when he's 100% favorite against players that is down 4 to 5k and i bet
> those percentsges would be way, way way, off if its set up like slots
> are a poker machine (if poker machines are set at 99% they will not pay
> out much more then that percentage). could go into more detail thats
> a start
> .
> this should work to prove if its rigged are not if everyone that
> played had about 100.000k hands
> this sounds crazy and i dont think you could get a 100 honest players
> to do this but doing this i think would put the end to if its
> rigged are not
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