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Date: 06 Dec
From: jackiepaper
Subject: a good fold or no? bahh
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now, i have to admit, before you read this, that due to playing 4 tables my
reads on these guys are less than stellar, except that i've seen Gene Watson get
involved in very few pots.
PokerStars Game #7315687438: Tournament #37410836, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/05 - 19:17:39 (ET)
Table '37410836 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Gene Watson (860 in chips)
Seat 2: nole' pride (2335 in chips)
Seat 4: redirishblue (1640 in chips)
Seat 6: sitareric (4705 in chips)
Seat 8: redraw01 (2080 in chips)
Seat 9: jackiepaper (1880 in chips)
redraw01: posts small blind 75
jackiepaper: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jackiepaper [Ts Td]
Gene Watson: raises 710 to 860 and is all-in
nole' pride: folds
redirishblue: folds
sitareric: folds
redraw01: raises 1090 to 1950
jackiepaper: folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 4c 3h]
*** TURN *** [8h 4c 3h] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [8h 4c 3h 5h] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
redraw01: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
Gene Watson: shows [Ah Qd] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
redraw01 collected 1870 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1870
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:48:53
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: a good fold or no? bahh
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On Dec 5 2006 5:26 PM, jackiepaper wrote:
> now, i have to admit, before you read this, that due to playing 4 tables my
> reads on these guys are less than stellar, except that i've seen Gene Watson
get
> involved in very few pots.
You will lose much less money over time if you always fold TT (and JJ for
that matter) to 2 raises. QQ is about breakeven IMO.
Fell
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 01:32:31
From: Joe Schmo
Subject: Re: a good fold or no? bahh
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Good fold. It was the correct move.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:07:00
From: xyious
Subject: Re: a good fold or no? bahh
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On Dec 6 2006 1:26 AM, jackiepaper wrote:
> now, i have to admit, before you read this, that due to playing 4 tables my
> reads on these guys are less than stellar, except that i've seen Gene Watson
get
> involved in very few pots.
after one all in you're at best flipping coins, in any normal case. why do
you want to flip coins ?
after 2 all ins it's a clear fold.
>
>
> PokerStars Game #7315687438: Tournament #37410836, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/05 - 19:17:39 (ET)
> Table '37410836 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
> Seat 1: Gene Watson (860 in chips)
> Seat 2: nole' pride (2335 in chips)
> Seat 4: redirishblue (1640 in chips)
> Seat 6: sitareric (4705 in chips)
> Seat 8: redraw01 (2080 in chips)
> Seat 9: jackiepaper (1880 in chips)
> redraw01: posts small blind 75
> jackiepaper: posts big blind 150
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to jackiepaper [Ts Td]
> Gene Watson: raises 710 to 860 and is all-in
> nole' pride: folds
> redirishblue: folds
> sitareric: folds
> redraw01: raises 1090 to 1950
> jackiepaper: folds
> *** FLOP *** [8h 4c 3h]
> *** TURN *** [8h 4c 3h] [5h]
> *** RIVER *** [8h 4c 3h 5h] [7c]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> redraw01: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
> Gene Watson: shows [Ah Qd] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
> redraw01 collected 1870 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 1870
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Date: 06 Dec 16:38:39
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: a good fold or no? bahh
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On Dec 5 2006 9:07 PM, xyious wrote:
> On Dec 6 2006 1:26 AM, jackiepaper wrote:
> > now, i have to admit, before you read this, that due to playing 4 tables my
> > reads on these guys are less than stellar, except that i've seen Gene Watson
> get
> > involved in very few pots.
>
> after one all in you're at best flipping coins, in any normal case. why do
> you want to flip coins ?
> after 2 all ins it's a clear fold.
>
You don't think the first jam could be a pair smaller than TT?
> >
> >
> > PokerStars Game #7315687438: Tournament #37410836, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
> > Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/05 - 19:17:39 (ET)
> > Table '37410836 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
> > Seat 1: Gene Watson (860 in chips)
> > Seat 2: nole' pride (2335 in chips)
> > Seat 4: redirishblue (1640 in chips)
> > Seat 6: sitareric (4705 in chips)
> > Seat 8: redraw01 (2080 in chips)
> > Seat 9: jackiepaper (1880 in chips)
> > redraw01: posts small blind 75
> > jackiepaper: posts big blind 150
> > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > Dealt to jackiepaper [Ts Td]
> > Gene Watson: raises 710 to 860 and is all-in
> > nole' pride: folds
> > redirishblue: folds
> > sitareric: folds
> > redraw01: raises 1090 to 1950
> > jackiepaper: folds
> > *** FLOP *** [8h 4c 3h]
> > *** TURN *** [8h 4c 3h] [5h]
> > *** RIVER *** [8h 4c 3h 5h] [7c]
> > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > redraw01: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
> > Gene Watson: shows [Ah Qd] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
> > redraw01 collected 1870 from pot
> > *** SUMMARY ***
> > Total pot 1870
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 15:24:11
From: xyious
Subject: Re: a good fold or no? bahh
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On Dec 6 2006 5:38 PM, steve1127 wrote:
> On Dec 5 2006 9:07 PM, xyious wrote:
>
> > On Dec 6 2006 1:26 AM, jackiepaper wrote:
> > > now, i have to admit, before you read this, that due to playing 4 tables
my
> > > reads on these guys are less than stellar, except that i've seen Gene
Watson
> > get
> > > involved in very few pots.
> >
> > after one all in you're at best flipping coins, in any normal case. why do
> > you want to flip coins ?
> > after 2 all ins it's a clear fold.
> >
> You don't think the first jam could be a pair smaller than TT?
certainly could be. but i'd think it's a pair bigger than TT just as often
as it's smaller. don't often see UTG pushing 22 with 6 players left. i can
however see AJ, AQ, AK, JJ pushing there.
probably 77+.
now the 2nd push i wouldn't think anything less than AQ, nor anything less
than JJ. probably does happen but not often enough to consider.
so after one push it's an easy fold for me (unless he pushes a lot), after
the 2nd push it's a clear fold.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > PokerStars Game #7315687438: Tournament #37410836, $10+$1 Hold'em No
Limit -
> > > Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/05 - 19:17:39 (ET)
> > > Table '37410836 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
> > > Seat 1: Gene Watson (860 in chips)
> > > Seat 2: nole' pride (2335 in chips)
> > > Seat 4: redirishblue (1640 in chips)
> > > Seat 6: sitareric (4705 in chips)
> > > Seat 8: redraw01 (2080 in chips)
> > > Seat 9: jackiepaper (1880 in chips)
> > > redraw01: posts small blind 75
> > > jackiepaper: posts big blind 150
> > > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > > Dealt to jackiepaper [Ts Td]
> > > Gene Watson: raises 710 to 860 and is all-in
> > > nole' pride: folds
> > > redirishblue: folds
> > > sitareric: folds
> > > redraw01: raises 1090 to 1950
> > > jackiepaper: folds
> > > *** FLOP *** [8h 4c 3h]
> > > *** TURN *** [8h 4c 3h] [5h]
> > > *** RIVER *** [8h 4c 3h 5h] [7c]
> > > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > > redraw01: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
> > > Gene Watson: shows [Ah Qd] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
> > > redraw01 collected 1870 from pot
> > > *** SUMMARY ***
> > > Total pot 1870
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 16:36:37
From: Olemite
Subject: Re: a good fold or no? bahh
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Yes. It's a good fold. I would certainly play with Gene Watson as he
only has half your chips and there's a good chance you already have him
beat. With another caller/reraiser, you have more problems because you
are either already beat or have more overcards to beat. In this case
you needed to dodge an Ace, King, and Queen.
If you have a high tolerance for gambling, then you may want to play
and try to triple up. If not, then fold.
Ole
jackiepaper wrote:
> now, i have to admit, before you read this, that due to playing 4 tables my
> reads on these guys are less than stellar, except that i've seen Gene Watson get
> involved in very few pots.
>
>
> PokerStars Game #7315687438: Tournament #37410836, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/05 - 19:17:39 (ET)
> Table '37410836 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
> Seat 1: Gene Watson (860 in chips)
> Seat 2: nole' pride (2335 in chips)
> Seat 4: redirishblue (1640 in chips)
> Seat 6: sitareric (4705 in chips)
> Seat 8: redraw01 (2080 in chips)
> Seat 9: jackiepaper (1880 in chips)
> redraw01: posts small blind 75
> jackiepaper: posts big blind 150
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to jackiepaper [Ts Td]
> Gene Watson: raises 710 to 860 and is all-in
> nole' pride: folds
> redirishblue: folds
> sitareric: folds
> redraw01: raises 1090 to 1950
> jackiepaper: folds
> *** FLOP *** [8h 4c 3h]
> *** TURN *** [8h 4c 3h] [5h]
> *** RIVER *** [8h 4c 3h 5h] [7c]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> redraw01: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
> Gene Watson: shows [Ah Qd] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
> redraw01 collected 1870 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 1870
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Date: 06 Dec 16:37:34
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: a good fold or no? bahh
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On Dec 5 2006 7:26 PM, jackiepaper wrote:
>
> now, i have to admit, before you read this, that due to playing 4 tables my
> reads on these guys are less than stellar, except that i've seen Gene Watson
> get
> involved in very few pots.
>
>
> PokerStars Game #7315687438: Tournament #37410836, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/05 - 19:17:39 (ET)
> Table '37410836 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
> Seat 1: Gene Watson (860 in chips)
> Seat 2: nole' pride (2335 in chips)
> Seat 4: redirishblue (1640 in chips)
> Seat 6: sitareric (4705 in chips)
> Seat 8: redraw01 (2080 in chips)
> Seat 9: jackiepaper (1880 in chips)
> redraw01: posts small blind 75
> jackiepaper: posts big blind 150
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to jackiepaper [Ts Td]
> Gene Watson: raises 710 to 860 and is all-in
> nole' pride: folds
> redirishblue: folds
> sitareric: folds
> redraw01: raises 1090 to 1950
> jackiepaper: folds
> *** FLOP *** [8h 4c 3h]
> *** TURN *** [8h 4c 3h] [5h]
> *** RIVER *** [8h 4c 3h 5h] [7c]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> redraw01: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
> Gene Watson: shows [Ah Qd] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
> redraw01 collected 1870 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 1870
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