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Date: 02 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Which one would you want?
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Would you like to know two cards (his choice) in the other players hand in Omaha
or the river card preflop?
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 22:58:29
From: ChrisBrown
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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On Dec 1 2006 6:08 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> Would you like to know two cards (his choice) in the other players hand in
Omaha
> or the river card preflop?
2 of his cards. The number of times the river card will factor into your
hand is less than the number of times 2 of your opponent's cards will
factor into his.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 16:48:53
From: Omaha Chris
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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arlo payne wrote:
> Would you like to know two cards (his choice) in the other players hand in Omaha
> or the river card preflop?
RIVER.
Arlo, one day I'm going to show up on your doorstep seeking Omaha training.
Since I'm in such a rut, maybe I'll have to do that soon.
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Date: 02 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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On Dec 1 2006 5:48 PM, Omaha Chris wrote:
> arlo payne wrote:
> > Would you like to know two cards (his choice) in the other players hand in
> > Omaha
> > or the river card preflop?
>
>
> RIVER.
>
> Arlo, one day I'm going to show up on your doorstep seeking Omaha training.
>
> Since I'm in such a rut, maybe I'll have to do that soon.
Chris if there is one thing I would love to pound into many players (I like btw
you fit that requirement) is know the other players and understand how they are
thinking. Give a ton of consideration to what they have (based on their play)
when they make a call or bet. Also put a little heat on players to help
understand where they think they stand in a hand.
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Date: 02 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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On Dec 1 2006 5:48 PM, Omaha Chris wrote:
> arlo payne wrote:
> > Would you like to know two cards (his choice) in the other players hand in
> > Omaha
> > or the river card preflop?
>
>
> RIVER.
>
> Arlo, one day I'm going to show up on your doorstep seeking Omaha training.
>
> Since I'm in such a rut, maybe I'll have to do that soon.
You know I really don't know which one I would want. I guess it would depend on
the player. Plus I have very little interest in general terms of playing Omaha
hi/lo or just high heads up. Now I know my heads up game is strong iin
tournaments but in a cash game I really don't see much point (once again in
general terms). Oh sure some will say I am nuts for not wanting heads up action
but then there is sometimes more at risk then money.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 18:37:11
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165018137$914923@recpoker.com...
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> Would you like to know two cards (his choice) in the other players hand in
Omaha
> or the river card preflop?
It could provide for a range of trickiness, of course, but I'd prefer to
have the two-cards info.
Prehaps in PL or NL I might choose to know the river card, but in limit the
pot is already maybe big enough before the river that it is an automatic
call.
Assume no marked cards: this can be sorta tested at your kitchen table,
especially if the two players differ.
It can also be tested online if you trust the opponent. Let a third party
play in the cash game and always fold AND on second phone or chat line tell
the one player what his first folded card is, for the purpose of using it
post facto as the river card. Obviously, the river-card lover tells the
other player about two of his hole cards.
Using hand histories the two players redeal the river card, so to speak, and
then settle up appropriately, undoing the online results and 'ondoing' the
experimental results.
(The other big trouble here is the betting after the river card.)
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 19:33:57
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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"eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:xS3ch.3938$Ig1.3665@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> "arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165018137$914923@recpoker.com...
> >
> > Would you like to know two cards (his choice) in the other players hand
in
> Omaha
> > or the river card preflop?
>
> It could provide for a range of trickiness, of course, but I'd prefer to
> have the two-cards info.
>
> Prehaps in PL or NL I might choose to know the river card, but in limit
the
> pot is already maybe big enough before the river that it is an automatic
> call.
>
> Assume no marked cards: this can be sorta tested at your kitchen table,
> especially if the two players differ.
>
> It can also be tested online if you trust the opponent. Let a third party
> play in the cash game and always fold AND on second phone or chat line
tell
> the one player what his first folded card is, for the purpose of using it
> post facto as the river card. Obviously, the river-card lover tells the
> other player about two of his hole cards.
>
> Using hand histories the two players redeal the river card, so to speak,
and
> then settle up appropriately, undoing the online results and 'ondoing' the
> experimental results.
>
> (The other big trouble here is the betting after the river card.)
I retract part of that, in big bet Omaha, especially O8? it would definitely
be the 2-cards you should go for headsup.
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eleaticus
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eleaticus@bellsouth.net
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Date: 02 Dec
From: Gospadine
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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The river card preflop for sure!
Gospadine
http://www.worldpokershowdown.com/
On Dec 1 2006 7:08 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> Would you like to know two cards (his choice) in the other players hand in
> Omaha
> or the river card preflop?
>
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 19:33:47
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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definitely the river card, how would knowing half of his hand help?
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 19:27:27
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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"ben carr" <up-high@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:14036-4570C9EB-739@storefull-3351.bay.webtv.net...
> definitely the river card, how would knowing half of his hand help?
Well, not as much help as knowing 100% of your own hand, of course. But
heads up you'd get your butt creamed knowing the river card and me knowing
2/4 of your hand.
Assuming the blinds were not trivial, of course.
As a first pass/estimate, just what criteria do you guess you'd use -
besides as much deception as possible - in choosing the two cards?
Two mediocres? 8,9
Two high?
Two low?
One high, one low?
Y'know, this is the kind of thing where I'd enjoy being the moderator and
provide 100 deals to two opponents taking the opposite sides. Blinds
(limit) 100-200 and 5000 chips?
But I'd even more like being one of the players. $50 about the right 'ante'
for my pocket book.
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ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net
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Date: 02 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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On Dec 1 2006 6:24 PM, eleaticus wrote:
> "ben carr" wrote in message
> news:14036-4570C9EB-739@storefull-3351.bay.webtv.net...
> > definitely the river card, how would knowing half of his hand help?
>
> Well, not as much help as knowing 100% of your own hand, of course. But
> heads up you'd get your butt creamed knowing the river card and me knowing
> 2/4 of your hand.
>
> Assuming the blinds were not trivial, of course.
>
> As a first pass/estimate, just what criteria do you guess you'd use -
> besides as much deception as possible - in choosing the two cards?
>
> Two mediocres? 8,9
> Two high?
> Two low?
> One high, one low?
>
> Y'know, this is the kind of thing where I'd enjoy being the moderator and
> provide 100 deals to two opponents taking the opposite sides. Blinds
> (limit) 100-200 and 5000 chips?
>
> But I'd even more like being one of the players. $50 about the right 'ante'
> for my pocket book.
>
> --
> eleaticus
> ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> eleaticus@bellsouth.net
Now remember this is not a two sided deal one player gets the info not both.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 19:55:49
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Which one would you want?
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165023241$914967@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 1 2006 6:24 PM, eleaticus wrote:
>
> > "ben carr" wrote in message
> > news:14036-4570C9EB-739@storefull-3351.bay.webtv.net...
> > > definitely the river card, how would knowing half of his hand help?
> >
> > Well, not as much help as knowing 100% of your own hand, of course. But
> > heads up you'd get your butt creamed knowing the river card and me
knowing
> > 2/4 of your hand.
> >
> > Assuming the blinds were not trivial, of course.
> >
> > As a first pass/estimate, just what criteria do you guess you'd use -
> > besides as much deception as possible - in choosing the two cards?
> >
> > Two mediocres? 8,9
> > Two high?
> > Two low?
> > One high, one low?
> >
> > Y'know, this is the kind of thing where I'd enjoy being the moderator
and
> > provide 100 deals to two opponents taking the opposite sides. Blinds
> > (limit) 100-200 and 5000 chips?
> >
> > But I'd even more like being one of the players. $50 about the right
'ante'
> > for my pocket book.
> >
> > --
> > eleaticus
> > ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> > eleaticus@bellsouth.net
>
> Now remember this is not a two sided deal one player gets the info not
both.
You mean only one player gets any extra info?
Seems to me a direct confrontation (A-B, above) would be a good direct test
for conflicting opinion.
However, I do understand that you did not intend a competition between the
viewpoints, but my suggestion of a test certainly suggests it, although two
players working on the exact same pockets on the exact same deals would also
be good.
In this last case the whole thing could be completely public here. And less
overall work for the moderator.
How about you - or X - dumping 64-100 pockets here, emailing the river to
Ben and having him post his choice ..
No, that won't work. We'd each have the betting on the other's table to help
us out, and it would require the/a moderator to play 128/200 hands.
So, direct conflict would be the way to go.
If there is a 2-card fan here, and Ben or X agrees to play, I'll
A. create the hands and email each player's pockets to him. (This means
that the board will be fully defined before any player action takes place. I
could/would also email a neutral fourth party the complete hands.) [In
smaller sets one at a time would be nice but the elapsed time would be too
great although posting the hands, betting, and results here would be
interesting to all Omaha players maybe.]
B. after Ben emails or posts his choices of two cards, I'll
C. email him the river card, then they (UTG 50-50) email me and each other
the first bets, etc. I will keep track, etc.
If you have played the version of chess - BltizKrieg? - where the players
cannot see the opponent pieces and only the moderator does, you know how
much fun the moderator can have.
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eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net
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