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Date: 13 Dec 2006 20:20:57
From: Turnstiles
Subject: What Play Should I Have Done?
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blinds 100/200, 25 ante
my stack player A is 3600
other stack, player B is 8000
action folds around to player A in small blind with 6,6. Player A
raises to 650, player B calls.
Flop is 5,3,3
player A bets 1000, player B calls
turn is 10
player A moves all in, player B calls and shows 10,3
What did player A do wrong from start to finish and how should have
player A played the hand?
Thanks, Dan
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Date: 14 Dec
From: Tanya AKA MissT74
Subject: Re: What Play Should I Have Done?
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Yeah, I'm pretty much going broke on this hand as well. How can I possibly put
him on a 3 when he called my preflop raise of 3.5X the BB? And even if I did put
him on a 3, it wouldn't be 10-3, more like A3s or something, but I'm still
moving in on the turn, just like you did.
Oopsies us.
T
On Dec 13 2006 9:20 PM, Turnstiles wrote:
> blinds 100/200, 25 ante
> my stack player A is 3600
> other stack, player B is 8000
> action folds around to player A in small blind with 6,6. Player A
> raises to 650, player B calls.
> Flop is 5,3,3
> player A bets 1000, player B calls
> turn is 10
> player A moves all in, player B calls and shows 10,3
> What did player A do wrong from start to finish and how should have
> player A played the hand?
> Thanks, Dan
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 20:36:37
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: What Play Should I Have Done?
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On Dec 13 2006 9:20 PM, Turnstiles wrote:
> blinds 100/200, 25 ante
> my stack player A is 3600
> other stack, player B is 8000
> action folds around to player A in small blind with 6,6. Player A
> raises to 650,
Good.
> player B calls.
> Flop is 5,3,3
> player A bets 1000,
Good.
> player B calls
> turn is 10
> player A moves all in,
Maybe consider what hand he would flat call with on the flop leaving you
with only 1600 behind, but I think you are trapped to payoff a bet here.
I may check here, but it is with the intention of calling.
> player B calls and shows 10,3
> What did player A do wrong from start to finish and how should have
> player A played the hand?
> Thanks, Dan
Fell
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Date: 14 Dec 18:01:06
From: Gospadine
Subject: Re: What Play Should I Have Done?
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Not sure I would preflop raise to steal the bb and antes from the small blind.
You are out of position and this is what got you into trouble in the first
place. He called the preflop raise and now with you being out of position he can
make a play on you or he may have hit.
Being aggressive all the time won't win and out of position raises seem to get
people knocked out of tournaments regularly. Then they make the statement that
they had to call because of pot odds. If you are beat pot odds dont mean a
thing.
Would have folded on turn. Too many hands that would normally call preflop would
beat 66.
Gospadine
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On Dec 13 2006 11:36 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 9:20 PM, Turnstiles wrote:
>
> > blinds 100/200, 25 ante
> > my stack player A is 3600
> > other stack, player B is 8000
> > action folds around to player A in small blind with 6,6. Player A
> > raises to 650,
>
> Good.
>
> > player B calls.
> > Flop is 5,3,3
> > player A bets 1000,
>
> Good.
>
> > player B calls
> > turn is 10
> > player A moves all in,
>
> Maybe consider what hand he would flat call with on the flop leaving you
> with only 1600 behind, but I think you are trapped to payoff a bet here.
> I may check here, but it is with the intention of calling.
>
> > player B calls and shows 10,3
> > What did player A do wrong from start to finish and how should have
> > player A played the hand?
> > Thanks, Dan
>
> Fell
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Date: 14 Dec 14:45:59
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: What Play Should I Have Done?
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On Dec 13 2006 11:20 PM, Turnstiles wrote:
> blinds 100/200, 25 ante
> my stack player A is 3600
> other stack, player B is 8000
> action folds around to player A in small blind with 6,6. Player A
> raises to 650, player B calls.
pot $1300 A down to 2950 B to 7350
> Flop is 5,3,3
> player A bets 1000, player B calls
pot $3300 A to 1950 B to 6350
> turn is 10
> player A moves all in, player B calls and shows 10,3
Pot Won by B 7200
> What did player A do wrong from start to finish and how should have
> player A played the hand?
> Thanks, Dan
Before I read the other responses I would give the advice i got recently and has
helped tremendously. Why do you have to be the aggressor? After the Flop call i
would have checked the turn and seen what he did. As it was he was playing a BB
special and made his FH. He may have played this with a hard bet and you could
have read that as strength.
Some migh say a jam on the Flop but I do not think that would have been smart.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 06:19:28
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: What Play Should I Have Done?
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> blinds 100/200, 25 ante
> my stack player A is 3600
> other stack, player B is 8000
> action folds around to player A in small blind with 6,6. Player A
> raises to 650, player B calls.
> Flop is 5,3,3
> player A bets 1000, player B calls
> turn is 10
> player A moves all in, player B calls and shows 10,3
> What did player A do wrong from start to finish and how should have
> player A played the hand?
You're going broke here. The only way to avoid it is to push pre-flop.
Think of it this way, would you want T-3os to call you if you knew that's
what he had? The answer is yes, shit happens.
Dean
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 05:46:31
From: Turnstiles
Subject: Re: What Play Should I Have Done?
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Since player B's stack was so large should I have raised preflop 4-5
times the BB or would the result have been the same? Raising that
amount is usually a tell of having a low-mid pair which is what I had,
so I was conscious of not to do that and if I had pushed all in to
steal the blinds I was not gaining much since the blinds were still
low. Any other options for me? Dan
Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote:
> Yeah, I'm pretty much going broke on this hand as well. How can I possibly put
> him on a 3 when he called my preflop raise of 3.5X the BB? And even if I did put
> him on a 3, it wouldn't be 10-3, more like A3s or something, but I'm still
> moving in on the turn, just like you did.
>
> Oopsies us.
>
> T
>
>
> On Dec 13 2006 9:20 PM, Turnstiles wrote:
>
> > blinds 100/200, 25 ante
> > my stack player A is 3600
> > other stack, player B is 8000
> > action folds around to player A in small blind with 6,6. Player A
> > raises to 650, player B calls.
> > Flop is 5,3,3
> > player A bets 1000, player B calls
> > turn is 10
> > player A moves all in, player B calls and shows 10,3
> > What did player A do wrong from start to finish and how should have
> > player A played the hand?
> > Thanks, Dan
>
>
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:49:56
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: Raising 3.5x BB
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On Dec 14, 3:27 pm, "Teo" <mke...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Dec 14, 12:24 am, Tanya AKA MissT74 <43084...@recpoker.com> wrote:
>
> > How can I possibly put him on a 3 when he called my preflop raise of 3.5X the BB?
> > T
>
> > Turnstiles wrote:
> > > blinds 100/200, 25 ante
> > > Player A
> > > raises to 650, player B calls.OK, I've seen this terminology sooo many times, and recently seen
> it used imprecisely by many respected (or at least prolific) posters
> on this forum. If the 'standard' advice is to raise 3xBB, would that
> not be a raise to 800 here? (Call 200 + raise 3x200 = 800)
>
> So a raise *to* 650 is only a 2.5xBB raise, yes?
>
> I am not only asking for a semantic clarification, here, but a
> strategic
> one. If you advocate open raising 3xBB, do you mean raising *by*
> 3xBB or *to* 3xBB?
>
> Thanks,
> Teo
Usually open raises are described by the amount raised to. Thus a
minimum raise is to 2xBB, and a standard raise is to 3xBB or 4xBB.
Most people discount the call of the big blind in describing the size
of their raise. Technically you're correct.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:27:06
From: Teo
Subject: Raising 3.5x BB
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On Dec 14, 12:24 am, Tanya AKA MissT74 <43084...@recpoker.com > wrote:
> How can I possibly put him on a 3 when he called my preflop raise of 3.5X the BB?
> T
>
> Turnstiles wrote:
> > blinds 100/200, 25 ante
> > Player A
> > raises to 650, player B calls.
OK, I've seen this terminology sooo many times, and recently seen
it used imprecisely by many respected (or at least prolific) posters
on this forum. If the 'standard' advice is to raise 3xBB, would that
not be a raise to 800 here? (Call 200 + raise 3x200 = 800)
So a raise *to* 650 is only a 2.5xBB raise, yes?
I am not only asking for a semantic clarification, here, but a
strategic
one. If you advocate open raising 3xBB, do you mean raising *by*
3xBB or *to* 3xBB?
Thanks,
Teo
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