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Date: 03 Dec 2006 21:07:04
From: Vic Morris
Subject: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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A buddy of mine who deals blackjack in Atlanta says WPT uses ringers to stack
tables of poker Stars with losers so the big names can move up.
He says they also use dealers who stack the deck.
The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables.
He's been known to BS and I'm wondering if this is possible?
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 06:03:09
From: Auggie
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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"Vic Morris" <VM237534@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:jpa7n2pridlpn33l1lgf4u165r7q3gsooi@4ax.com...
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> A buddy of mine who deals blackjack in Atlanta says WPT uses ringers to
> stack
> tables of poker Stars with losers so the big names can move up.
> He says they also use dealers who stack the deck.
> The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables.
> He's been known to BS and I'm wondering if this is possible?
Just about anything is possible... maybe the question should be: Is this
likely?
The last season (Season 4) of the WPT had some decent episodes, but for the
most part it was pretty boring overall.
The biggest "problem" I think they had was that most of the final tables
only had 1 or 2 pros who the average viewer would recognize their name.
There was a pretty definite lack of "big name" players making the final
tables and for the most part the ones who did make the final tables lacked
charisma or personality or just weren't that exciting to watch in action.
And I say "problem" with the quotes because its a tournament... they (WPT)
can't hand pick the final tables so its out of their control.
Is it possible? Yes.
Is it likely? No.
WPT is a publicly traded corporation and the business they are in is like
the poker players themselves - their name and reputation is all they really
have. If there was any fixing going on and definite word and proof got out
about it then that would pretty much destroy any credibility they have, give
them a beating on the stock market and possibly wipe out the company
entirely as their product is really televising poker tournaments and if they
are known to be fixing the tournaments then nobody is going to want to play.
The WPT definitly wants to see more big names at the final tables... its all
about ratings and having a table packed with 4 or 5 big star players would
definitly draw a better viewing audience than than something like 1 guy who
people recognize his name but couldn't pick him out of a crowd and 5
nobodies or amatures.
But then on the other hand... its exciting play and appearances on shows
like the WPT or WSOP that made these guys in to stars. So rigging a game so
that current stars make the final table could be preventing future stars
from coming in to the limelight.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 21:27:42
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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Vic Morris wrote:
> A buddy of mine who deals blackjack in Atlanta says WPT uses ringers to stack
> tables of poker Stars with losers so the big names can move up.
> He says they also use dealers who stack the deck.
> The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables.
> He's been known to BS and I'm wondering if this is possible?
When 'BIG MONEY' is at stake, anything is possible. The Women's Pro
Bowling Tour folded up about three years ago. Recently they had a TV
competion billed as the best women bowlers in the world. Sixteen women
were involved and they bowled in a make shift lane in the Major Las
Vegas Mall.
Now, pro women bowlers aren't known for being? All of a sudden, all the
women have make overs, plus at least 50% of the 'BEST' bowlers are even
pro's, basically collegiate athletes. Some very attractive. The field
was hand picked for 'beauty', not skill, to give the game a different
image.
If the WPT was fair, all the draws would be televised or shown to the
public, as well as a process to being moved from table to table.
However, it isn't fair, it's about money.
People want someone to root for, which can't be done with NL and a
tourney structure. So in all honesty, help would be needed. For, how
can you root for someone that you've never seen before when new players
keep appearing? Soon, when so many different players win these events,
reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
glorified lotteries.
Russ Georgiev
www.pokermafia.com
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 21:43:26
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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Nick Wool wrote:
> Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > glorified lotteries.
> >
> > Russ Georgiev
> >
> > http://www.pokermafia.com/
>
> Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world class player'
> such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
must buy a ticket first.
Russ Georgiev
www.pokermafia.com
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Date: 04 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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On Dec 4 2006 5:43 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> Nick Wool wrote:
> > Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > > glorified lotteries.
> > >
> > > Russ Georgiev
> > >
> > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> >
>
>
> > Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world class
> > player'
> > such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
>
> REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> must buy a ticket first.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> http://www.pokermafia.com/
>
>
Thank you for proving my point....
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 01:06:24
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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On Dec 3 2006 10:04 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> On Dec 4 2006 5:43 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Nick Wool wrote:
> > > Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > > > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > > > glorified lotteries.
> > > >
> > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > >
> >
> >
> > > Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world class
> > > player'
> > > such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
> >
> > REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> > must buy a ticket first.
> >
> > Russ Georgiev
> >
> > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> >
> >
> Thank you for proving my point....
How did he prove your point again? He said he's never played a WPT event,
and doesn't plan to. You can't win if you don't play.
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Date: 04 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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On Dec 4 2006 9:06 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> On Dec 3 2006 10:04 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> > On Dec 4 2006 5:43 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Nick Wool wrote:
> > > > Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > > > > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > > > > glorified lotteries.
> > > > >
> > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world class
> > > > player'
> > > > such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
> > >
> > > REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> > > must buy a ticket first.
> > >
> > > Russ Georgiev
> > >
> > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > >
> > >
> > Thank you for proving my point....
>
> How did he prove your point again? He said he's never played a WPT event,
> and doesn't plan to. You can't win if you don't play.
but but but...but if he is half as good as he claims, shouldn't he be entering
and winning these big events? He keeps saying that those 'named' players aren't
fit to lick his boots when it comes to poker, what better way to prove it?
It would certainly put paid to all the doubters like me, and I will eat humble
pie by post a big apology here, join his site at 10 times the price he is asking
for now. He doesn't even have to win one, just finish consistently deep into
the money would be good for this doubting nick. I made a similar offer in the
fiasco of a challenge he made to BG, in which he stated that he would 'swim
through a sea of shit' to plat BG, only that BG was too scared to play him.
Well, we all know what happened to that little swim, don't we?
After all, he 'fears nothing' now, has visited a Vegas casino not long ago, so
he can't still be in fear of life, can he? Or does the fear mysteriously come
back when he has to put his money where his mouth is?
So no excuses for our great Russ now. Or can it all be down to luck?
To paraphrase a saying which I think would describe Russ down to a T: Those who
can, do; those who can't, bitch.
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Date: 04 Dec 10:52:54
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 4 2006 3:26 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> On Dec 4 2006 9:06 AM, brewmaster wrote:
>
> > On Dec 3 2006 10:04 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 4 2006 5:43 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nick Wool wrote:
> > > > > Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > > > > > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > > > > > glorified lotteries.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world
> > > > > class
> > > > > player'
> > > > > such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
> > > >
> > > > REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> > > > must buy a ticket first.
> > > >
> > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Thank you for proving my point....
> >
> > How did he prove your point again? He said he's never played a WPT event,
> > and doesn't plan to. You can't win if you don't play.
>
> but but but...but if he is half as good as he claims, shouldn't he be entering
> and winning these big events? He keeps saying that those 'named' players
> aren't
> fit to lick his boots when it comes to poker, what better way to prove it?
>
> It would certainly put paid to all the doubters like me, and I will eat humble
> pie by post a big apology here, join his site at 10 times the price he is
> asking
> for now. He doesn't even have to win one, just finish consistently deep into
> the money would be good for this doubting nick. I made a similar offer in the
> fiasco of a challenge he made to BG, in which he stated that he would 'swim
> through a sea of shit' to plat BG, only that BG was too scared to play him.
> Well, we all know what happened to that little swim, don't we?
>
> After all, he 'fears nothing' now, has visited a Vegas casino not long ago, so
> he can't still be in fear of life, can he? Or does the fear mysteriously come
> back when he has to put his money where his mouth is?
>
> So no excuses for our great Russ now. Or can it all be down to luck?
>
> To paraphrase a saying which I think would describe Russ down to a T: Those
> who
> can, do; those who can't, bitch.
>
So you would have new found respect for a lottery winner? Doesnt take much to
impress you does it.
Moneymaker won one of the lotteries. Do you think he is a better player then the
guys he beat out? Do you think he is better then Doyle Brunson or Chip Reese
just because he won the event?
I have no doubt that Russ could finish well in these events, provided he
entered as often as the other guys do. Pay attention to Arlo, he has played with
Russ before. Google Daniel N's posts regarding Russ, he has played too. so have
many others, google Rick Charles posts concerning Amarillo Slimebuckets comments
on "Seattle Russ". Or you can continue to post your bad beat whines and delude
yourself that Russ is a lousy player. I really dont think Russ will lose any
sleep worrying that you dont believe in his prowess.
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Date: 04 Dec 11:17:57
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 4 2006 10:52 AM, jd00123 wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 4 2006 3:26 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> >
> > On Dec 4 2006 9:06 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 3 2006 10:04 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Dec 4 2006 5:43 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nick Wool wrote:
> > > > > > Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > > > > > > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > > > > > > glorified lotteries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world
> > > > > > class
> > > > > > player'
> > > > > > such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
> > > > >
> > > > > REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> > > > > must buy a ticket first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Thank you for proving my point....
> > >
> > > How did he prove your point again? He said he's never played a WPT event,
> > > and doesn't plan to. You can't win if you don't play.
> >
> > but but but...but if he is half as good as he claims, shouldn't he be
> > entering
> > and winning these big events? He keeps saying that those 'named' players
> > aren't
> > fit to lick his boots when it comes to poker, what better way to prove it?
> >
> > It would certainly put paid to all the doubters like me, and I will eat
> > humble
> > pie by post a big apology here, join his site at 10 times the price he is
> > asking
> > for now. He doesn't even have to win one, just finish consistently deep
> > into
> > the money would be good for this doubting nick. I made a similar offer in
> > the
> > fiasco of a challenge he made to BG, in which he stated that he would 'swim
> > through a sea of shit' to plat BG, only that BG was too scared to play him.
> > Well, we all know what happened to that little swim, don't we?
> >
> > After all, he 'fears nothing' now, has visited a Vegas casino not long ago,
> > so
> > he can't still be in fear of life, can he? Or does the fear mysteriously
> > come
> > back when he has to put his money where his mouth is?
> >
> > So no excuses for our great Russ now. Or can it all be down to luck?
> >
> > To paraphrase a saying which I think would describe Russ down to a T: Those
> > who
> > can, do; those who can't, bitch.
> >
>
> So you would have new found respect for a lottery winner? Doesnt take much to
> impress you does it.
>
> Moneymaker won one of the lotteries. Do you think he is a better player then
> the
> guys he beat out? Do you think he is better then Doyle Brunson or Chip Reese
> just because he won the event?
>
> I have no doubt that Russ could finish well in these events, provided he
> entered as often as the other guys do. Pay attention to Arlo, he has played
> with
> Russ before. Google Daniel N's posts regarding Russ, he has played too. so
> have
> many others, google Rick Charles posts concerning Amarillo Slimebuckets
> comments
> on "Seattle Russ". Or you can continue to post your bad beat whines and delude
> yourself that Russ is a lousy player. I really dont think Russ will lose any
> sleep worrying that you dont believe in his prowess.
Wow, we have a Russ Appreciation society here. Actually, yes I would have deep
respect for anyone who can win the lottery 'consistently'. Think about that
one.
As for Russ being able to consistently finish deep in big events, well, you do
know what they say about the proof of the pudding is in eating it...
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 03:40:46
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote
> Wow, we have a Russ Appreciation society here. Actually, yes I would have
> deep
> respect for anyone who can win the lottery 'consistently'. Think about
> that
> one.
>
> As for Russ being able to consistently finish deep in big events, well,
> you do
> know what they say about the proof of the pudding is in eating it...
Ok,
I'm going to do something I'm loathe to do, as I've never done it before.
Nick. You must be relatively new here. There is no question that Russ is a
World Class Player, especially short-handed and heads up. NOT ONE of the
well known cash game players that have ever posted here has disagreed with
that, in fact, quite the opposite. There is a long list of well known
players that play at stakes you and I could only DREAM of playing that won't
play Russ, *even* if they know the game is on the square!
If you've been around here any time at all you know that Russ and I have
been feuding for years. I am certainly not a member of his "appreciation
society".
What bugs me is people who think that poker is about winning tournaments!
Tournament poker is NOT where the real money is made. I know one particular
man whom I won't name here, although I know he reads (or at least used to
read) RGP frequently who makes more money playing $30-60 4 or 5 nights a
week at Bellagio than most tourney pros (even the big names in their best
years) make year after year.
In my career as a poker broadcaster and sometime writer, I've gotten to know
many of the top tourney pros and many of the biggest cash game players very
well. I've spoken to just about all of them about Russ. To a person, they
all think he's a Scumbag Cheat, but they also to a person believe he's a
world class player. That has nothing to do with winning a tournament.
Had Barry Greenstein not won a WPT event and gotten the press for donating
all of his winnings to the Childrens charity you would NEVER have heard of
him, but he's a TRUE poker professional who until the past few years RARELY
played tournaments at all.
I would say that I could count on both hands and feet the number of WORLD
CLASS players that also are famous for tourney play and still have some
digits left over. Tourneys create "stars", World Class Players grind out
World Class MONEY and most don't want the fame that goes along with the
tourneys.
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
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Date: 05 Dec 13:57:11
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 11:40 AM, DaVoice wrote:
> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrote
>
> > Wow, we have a Russ Appreciation society here. Actually, yes I would have
> > deep
> > respect for anyone who can win the lottery 'consistently'. Think about
> > that
> > one.
> >
> > As for Russ being able to consistently finish deep in big events, well,
> > you do
> > know what they say about the proof of the pudding is in eating it...
>
>
> Ok,
There is a long list of well known
> players that play at stakes you and I could only DREAM of playing that won't
> play Russ, *even* if they know the game is on the square!
>
As for this line, BG had no problem in playing Russ. Maybe Russ couldn't find a
sea of shit to swim through...?
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Date: 05 Dec 13:53:09
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 11:40 AM, DaVoice wrote:
> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrote
>
> > Wow, we have a Russ Appreciation society here. Actually, yes I would have
> > deep
> > respect for anyone who can win the lottery 'consistently'. Think about
> > that
> > one.
> >
> > As for Russ being able to consistently finish deep in big events, well,
> > you do
> > know what they say about the proof of the pudding is in eating it...
>
>
> Ok,
>
> I'm going to do something I'm loathe to do, as I've never done it before.
> Nick. You must be relatively new here. There is no question that Russ is a
> World Class Player, especially short-handed and heads up. NOT ONE of the
> well known cash game players that have ever posted here has disagreed with
> that, in fact, quite the opposite. There is a long list of well known
> players that play at stakes you and I could only DREAM of playing that won't
> play Russ, *even* if they know the game is on the square!
>
> If you've been around here any time at all you know that Russ and I have
> been feuding for years. I am certainly not a member of his "appreciation
> society".
>
> What bugs me is people who think that poker is about winning tournaments!
> Tournament poker is NOT where the real money is made. I know one particular
> man whom I won't name here, although I know he reads (or at least used to
> read) RGP frequently who makes more money playing $30-60 4 or 5 nights a
> week at Bellagio than most tourney pros (even the big names in their best
> years) make year after year.
>
> In my career as a poker broadcaster and sometime writer, I've gotten to know
> many of the top tourney pros and many of the biggest cash game players very
> well. I've spoken to just about all of them about Russ. To a person, they
> all think he's a Scumbag Cheat, but they also to a person believe he's a
> world class player. That has nothing to do with winning a tournament.
>
> Had Barry Greenstein not won a WPT event and gotten the press for donating
> all of his winnings to the Childrens charity you would NEVER have heard of
> him, but he's a TRUE poker professional who until the past few years RARELY
> played tournaments at all.
>
> I would say that I could count on both hands and feet the number of WORLD
> CLASS players that also are famous for tourney play and still have some
> digits left over. Tourneys create "stars", World Class Players grind out
> World Class MONEY and most don't want the fame that goes along with the
> tourneys.
>
> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling everyone how
great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it, doesnt he?
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 06:58:23
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 8:53 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
> On Dec 5 2006 11:40 AM, DaVoice wrote:
>
> > "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrote
> >
> > > Wow, we have a Russ Appreciation society here. Actually, yes I would
have
> > > deep
> > > respect for anyone who can win the lottery 'consistently'. Think about
> > > that
> > > one.
> > >
> > > As for Russ being able to consistently finish deep in big events, well,
> > > you do
> > > know what they say about the proof of the pudding is in eating it...
> >
> >
> > Ok,
> >
> > I'm going to do something I'm loathe to do, as I've never done it before.
> > Nick. You must be relatively new here. There is no question that Russ is a
> > World Class Player, especially short-handed and heads up. NOT ONE of the
> > well known cash game players that have ever posted here has disagreed with
> > that, in fact, quite the opposite. There is a long list of well known
> > players that play at stakes you and I could only DREAM of playing that
won't
> > play Russ, *even* if they know the game is on the square!
> >
> > If you've been around here any time at all you know that Russ and I have
> > been feuding for years. I am certainly not a member of his "appreciation
> > society".
> >
> > What bugs me is people who think that poker is about winning tournaments!
> > Tournament poker is NOT where the real money is made. I know one
particular
> > man whom I won't name here, although I know he reads (or at least used to
> > read) RGP frequently who makes more money playing $30-60 4 or 5 nights a
> > week at Bellagio than most tourney pros (even the big names in their best
> > years) make year after year.
> >
> > In my career as a poker broadcaster and sometime writer, I've gotten to
know
> > many of the top tourney pros and many of the biggest cash game players
very
> > well. I've spoken to just about all of them about Russ. To a person, they
> > all think he's a Scumbag Cheat, but they also to a person believe he's a
> > world class player. That has nothing to do with winning a tournament.
> >
> > Had Barry Greenstein not won a WPT event and gotten the press for donating
> > all of his winnings to the Childrens charity you would NEVER have heard of
> > him, but he's a TRUE poker professional who until the past few years
RARELY
> > played tournaments at all.
> >
> > I would say that I could count on both hands and feet the number of WORLD
> > CLASS players that also are famous for tourney play and still have some
> > digits left over. Tourneys create "stars", World Class Players grind out
> > World Class MONEY and most don't want the fame that goes along with the
> > tourneys.
> >
> > Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>
> If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling everyone
how
> great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it, doesnt
he?
You also post here and boast about your poker prowess (although not to the
same degree, you are certainly willing to inanely argue poker strategy
with him).
Are u looking for fame? RGP has not made Russ famous. A very small
percentage of the poker players in the world read RGP and know who Russ
is. What's important is that all of the other WCPs know who he is, and
agree he is a WCP. For you to imply otherwise will only result in your
own embarassment.
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Date: 05 Dec 17:50:38
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 2:58 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> On Dec 5 2006 8:53 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> > On Dec 5 2006 11:40 AM, DaVoice wrote:
> >
> > > "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrote
> > >
> > > > Wow, we have a Russ Appreciation society here. Actually, yes I would
> have
> > > > deep
> > > > respect for anyone who can win the lottery 'consistently'. Think about
> > > > that
> > > > one.
> > > >
> > > > As for Russ being able to consistently finish deep in big events, well,
> > > > you do
> > > > know what they say about the proof of the pudding is in eating it...
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok,
> > >
> > > I'm going to do something I'm loathe to do, as I've never done it before.
> > > Nick. You must be relatively new here. There is no question that Russ is a
> > >
> > > World Class Player, especially short-handed and heads up. NOT ONE of the
> > > well known cash game players that have ever posted here has disagreed with
> > >
> > > that, in fact, quite the opposite. There is a long list of well known
> > > players that play at stakes you and I could only DREAM of playing that
> won't
> > > play Russ, *even* if they know the game is on the square!
> > >
> > > If you've been around here any time at all you know that Russ and I have
> > > been feuding for years. I am certainly not a member of his "appreciation
> > > society".
> > >
> > > What bugs me is people who think that poker is about winning tournaments!
> > > Tournament poker is NOT where the real money is made. I know one
> particular
> > > man whom I won't name here, although I know he reads (or at least used to
> > > read) RGP frequently who makes more money playing $30-60 4 or 5 nights a
> > > week at Bellagio than most tourney pros (even the big names in their best
> > > years) make year after year.
> > >
> > > In my career as a poker broadcaster and sometime writer, I've gotten to
> know
> > > many of the top tourney pros and many of the biggest cash game players
> very
> > > well. I've spoken to just about all of them about Russ. To a person, they
> > > all think he's a Scumbag Cheat, but they also to a person believe he's a
> > > world class player. That has nothing to do with winning a tournament.
> > >
> > > Had Barry Greenstein not won a WPT event and gotten the press for donating
> > >
> > > all of his winnings to the Childrens charity you would NEVER have heard of
> > >
> > > him, but he's a TRUE poker professional who until the past few years
> RARELY
> > > played tournaments at all.
> > >
> > > I would say that I could count on both hands and feet the number of WORLD
> > > CLASS players that also are famous for tourney play and still have some
> > > digits left over. Tourneys create "stars", World Class Players grind out
> > > World Class MONEY and most don't want the fame that goes along with the
> > > tourneys.
> > >
> > > Rick "DaVoice" Charles
> >
> > If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling everyone
> how
> > great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it, doesnt
> he?
>
> You also post here and boast about your poker prowess (although not to the
> same degree, you are certainly willing to inanely argue poker strategy
> with him).
>
> Are u looking for fame? RGP has not made Russ famous. A very small
> percentage of the poker players in the world read RGP and know who Russ
> is. What's important is that all of the other WCPs know who he is, and
> agree he is a WCP. For you to imply otherwise will only result in your
> own embarassment.
>
>
> thumbers on stars, pokerchimp1 on absolute
Me? I post here to pass the time cheaply, and yes, I do like to argue strategy
with him....I do it because he is such fun to wind-up.
Point is, if he really is a WCP (sic), why does he brother to reply to no names
like me? Or even sometimes flame me on my thread with some sad remarks about
the stakes I play?
I hardy think Ivey, Brouson, Reese or any of them lot gives a hoot what I think
or say, much less argue any points with me.
Anyway, who gives out the titles 'WCP'? Can anyone buy one? What is the price,
about ten a penny?
Good players do not need to boast about it, bad players with a pretension to be
WCP certainly do. If the guy really is that good, let him either prove it if he
wants to boast about it, or let him just be known to fellow WCPs. He cannot
have it both ways. The way he comes across here is a bad/average with illusions
of grandeur.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 13:50:39
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrotek
>
> If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling
> everyone how
> great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it,
> doesnt he?
I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as THICK
as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
the short bus to school.
WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
THAT DAY.
WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 14:36:05
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 1:50 PM, DaVoice wrote:
> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrotek
>
> >
> > If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling
> > everyone how
> > great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it,
> > doesnt he?
>
>
> I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as THICK
> as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
> the short bus to school.
>
> WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
> THAT DAY.
>
>
> WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
> WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
>
> subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?
>
You see, what Nicky is missing here, is that nobody is defending Russ the
person. I don't know the man, so what I know of him is from here only.
However, his cheating admissions aside, it is fairly obvious that he has
been supporting himself playing poker at the highest levels for man years
and is a WCP. Others have stated exactly that. Is he a cheat? He says
he is. Is he a wacko? Aren't we all. But for Nicky to keep saying that
Russ is an inferior poker player simply because he thinks he is a wacko is
nuts. Just makes Nicky look childish.
> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 17:35:35
From: Susan
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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Hey Brew and Rick - pokerchimp and I are the ONLY ONES who are supposed to
write those things.
- shills
"brewmaster" <brewmaster@brewcam.com > wrote in message
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> On Dec 5 2006 1:50 PM, DaVoice wrote:
>
>> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrotek
>>
>> >
>> > If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling
>> > everyone how
>> > great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it,
>> > doesnt he?
>>
>>
>> I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as
>> THICK
>> as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
>> the short bus to school.
>>
>> WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
>> THAT DAY.
>>
>>
>> WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
>> WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
>>
>> subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?
>>
>
> You see, what Nicky is missing here, is that nobody is defending Russ the
> person. I don't know the man, so what I know of him is from here only.
> However, his cheating admissions aside, it is fairly obvious that he has
> been supporting himself playing poker at the highest levels for man years
> and is a WCP. Others have stated exactly that. Is he a cheat? He says
> he is. Is he a wacko? Aren't we all. But for Nicky to keep saying that
> Russ is an inferior poker player simply because he thinks he is a wacko is
> nuts. Just makes Nicky look childish.
>
>> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 15:51:04
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:%mndh.61$OX1.15@newsfe06.lga...
> Hey Brew and Rick - pokerchimp and I are the ONLY ONES who are supposed to
> write those things.
>
> - shills
Heh..
Funny thing is, all I did was interject that Winning tourneys does not
equate with being a WCP. That was the whole point of my post in the first
place, and now I'm in a flamewar with an imbecile. I guess that makes me an
imbecile, too.
RC
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Date: 06 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 11:51 PM, DaVoice wrote:
> "Susan" wrote in message
> news:%mndh.61$OX1.15@newsfe06.lga...
> > Hey Brew and Rick - pokerchimp and I are the ONLY ONES who are supposed to
> > write those things.
> >
> > - shills
>
> Heh..
>
> Funny thing is, all I did was interject that Winning tourneys does not
> equate with being a WCP. That was the whole point of my post in the first
> place, and now I'm in a flamewar with an imbecile. I guess that makes me an
> imbecile, too.
>
> RC
All you did was what? You are even moe stupid than I had though possible.
Below is what you wrote in your first reply to me. You are even lower than a
sub-moron if you cannot see that you started the flame.
Now fuck off.
'I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as THICK
as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
the short bus to school.
WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
THAT DAY.'
WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?'
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 22:47:59
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1165378091$916984@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 5 2006 11:51 PM, DaVoice wrote:
>
>> "Susan" wrote in message
>> news:%mndh.61$OX1.15@newsfe06.lga...
>> > Hey Brew and Rick - pokerchimp and I are the ONLY ONES who are supposed
>> > to
>> > write those things.
>> >
>> > - shills
>>
>> Heh..
>>
>> Funny thing is, all I did was interject that Winning tourneys does not
>> equate with being a WCP. That was the whole point of my post in the first
>> place, and now I'm in a flamewar with an imbecile. I guess that makes me
>> an
>> imbecile, too.
>>
>> RC
>
> All you did was what? You are even moe stupid than I had though possible.
> Below is what you wrote in your first reply to me. You are even lower than
> a
> sub-moron if you cannot see that you started the flame.
>
> Now fuck off.
>
My first post to this thread was:
<QUOTE >
Ok,
I'm going to do something I'm loathe to do, as I've never done it before.
Nick. You must be relatively new here. There is no question that Russ is a
World Class Player, especially short-handed and heads up. NOT ONE of the
well known cash game players that have ever posted here has disagreed with
that, in fact, quite the opposite. There is a long list of well known
players that play at stakes you and I could only DREAM of playing that won't
play Russ, *even* if they know the game is on the square!
If you've been around here any time at all you know that Russ and I have
been feuding for years. I am certainly not a member of his "appreciation
society".
What bugs me is people who think that poker is about winning tournaments!
Tournament poker is NOT where the real money is made. I know one particular
man whom I won't name here, although I know he reads (or at least used to
read) RGP frequently who makes more money playing $30-60 4 or 5 nights a
week at Bellagio than most tourney pros (even the big names in their best
years) make year after year.
In my career as a poker broadcaster and sometime writer, I've gotten to know
many of the top tourney pros and many of the biggest cash game players very
well. I've spoken to just about all of them about Russ. To a person, they
all think he's a Scumbag Cheat, but they also to a person believe he's a
world class player. That has nothing to do with winning a tournament.
Had Barry Greenstein not won a WPT event and gotten the press for donating
all of his winnings to the Childrens charity you would NEVER have heard of
him, but he's a TRUE poker professional who until the past few years RARELY
played tournaments at all.
I would say that I could count on both hands and feet the number of WORLD
CLASS players that also are famous for tourney play and still have some
digits left over. Tourneys create "stars", World Class Players grind out
World Class MONEY and most don't want the fame that goes along with the
tourneys.
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
<END QUOTE >
so YOU fuck off
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Date: 06 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 6 2006 6:47 AM, DaVoice wrote:
> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> news:1165378091$916984@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 5 2006 11:51 PM, DaVoice wrote:
> >
> >> "Susan" wrote in message
> >> news:%mndh.61$OX1.15@newsfe06.lga...
> >> > Hey Brew and Rick - pokerchimp and I are the ONLY ONES who are supposed
> >> > to
> >> > write those things.
> >> >
> >> > - shills
> >>
> >> Heh..
> >>
> >> Funny thing is, all I did was interject that Winning tourneys does not
> >> equate with being a WCP. That was the whole point of my post in the first
> >> place, and now I'm in a flamewar with an imbecile. I guess that makes me
> >> an
> >> imbecile, too.
> >>
> >> RC
> >
> > All you did was what? You are even moe stupid than I had though possible.
> > Below is what you wrote in your first reply to me. You are even lower than
> > a
> > sub-moron if you cannot see that you started the flame.
> >
> > Now fuck off.
> >
>
>
> My first post to this thread was:
>
>
>
> Ok,
>
> I'm going to do something I'm loathe to do, as I've never done it before.
> Nick. You must be relatively new here. There is no question that Russ is a
> World Class Player, especially short-handed and heads up. NOT ONE of the
> well known cash game players that have ever posted here has disagreed with
> that, in fact, quite the opposite. There is a long list of well known
> players that play at stakes you and I could only DREAM of playing that won't
> play Russ, *even* if they know the game is on the square!
>
> If you've been around here any time at all you know that Russ and I have
> been feuding for years. I am certainly not a member of his "appreciation
> society".
>
> What bugs me is people who think that poker is about winning tournaments!
> Tournament poker is NOT where the real money is made. I know one particular
> man whom I won't name here, although I know he reads (or at least used to
> read) RGP frequently who makes more money playing $30-60 4 or 5 nights a
> week at Bellagio than most tourney pros (even the big names in their best
> years) make year after year.
>
> In my career as a poker broadcaster and sometime writer, I've gotten to know
> many of the top tourney pros and many of the biggest cash game players very
> well. I've spoken to just about all of them about Russ. To a person, they
> all think he's a Scumbag Cheat, but they also to a person believe he's a
> world class player. That has nothing to do with winning a tournament.
>
> Had Barry Greenstein not won a WPT event and gotten the press for donating
> all of his winnings to the Childrens charity you would NEVER have heard of
> him, but he's a TRUE poker professional who until the past few years RARELY
> played tournaments at all.
>
> I would say that I could count on both hands and feet the number of WORLD
> CLASS players that also are famous for tourney play and still have some
> digits left over. Tourneys create "stars", World Class Players grind out
> World Class MONEY and most don't want the fame that goes along with the
> tourneys.
>Now YOU fuck off
To which I gave a short and formal rebuttal without flames:
'If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling everyone how
great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it, doesnt
he?'
Then you went ballestic. If you can't handle someone disagreeing with you
without resorting to crude flames, I suggest you change your name from DaVoice
to DaMoron.
As for fucking off myself...well, I will be in Bangkok in the new year on a
boy's trip...I hope there will be plenty of opportunities for me to fuck off.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 01:47:48
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote
>
> As for fucking off myself...well, I will be in Bangkok in the new year on
> a
> boy's trip...I hope there will be plenty of opportunities for me to fuck
> off.
I'm sure the boys in Bangkok will service you just fine. Enjoy your new
year. Nambla member are you?
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Date: 06 Dec 11:01:14
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 6 2006 9:47 AM, DaVoice wrote:
> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrote
>
> >
> > As for fucking off myself...well, I will be in Bangkok in the new year on
> > a
> > boy's trip...I hope there will be plenty of opportunities for me to fuck
> > off.
>
> I'm sure the boys in Bangkok will service you just fine. Enjoy your new
> year. Nambla member are you?
>
> RC
Ar, here it comes at least...a weak homophobic joke, you never fail to
disappoint me...Yes, I might be, if you are bending over.
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Date: 05 Dec 23:23:36
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 10:36 PM, brewmaster wrote:
> On Dec 5 2006 1:50 PM, DaVoice wrote:
>
> > "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrotek
> >
> > >
> > > If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling
> > > everyone how
> > > great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it,
> > > doesnt he?
> >
> >
> > I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as THICK
> >
> > as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
> > the short bus to school.
> >
> > WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
> > THAT DAY.
> >
> >
> > WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
> > WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
> >
> > subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?
> >
>
> You see, what Nicky is missing here, is that nobody is defending Russ the
> person. I don't know the man, so what I know of him is from here only.
> However, his cheating admissions aside, it is fairly obvious that he has
> been supporting himself playing poker at the highest levels for man years
> and is a WCP. Others have stated exactly that. Is he a cheat? He says
> he is. Is he a wacko? Aren't we all. But for Nicky to keep saying that
> Russ is an inferior poker player simply because he thinks he is a wacko is
> nuts. Just makes Nicky look childish.
>
> > Rick "DaVoice" Charles
You see Brew, I have never acually said that Russ is an inferior poker
player...inferior to who? I take the piss of out him because he keeps
belittling the more known players in order to built himself up.
I have constantly said that Russ MAY be a good player, but if he wants us to
accept that he is half as good as he claims, he needs better than his words as
evidence. Is that being childish?
And what evidence have we that 'is fairly obvios that he has been playing poker
at the highest to support himself and is a WCP', except that Russ said so
himself? Wasn't he supposed to be in hiding because he fear for his life for
the past god knows how many years?
Some of his post on poker are good, some are down-right stupid, but none are as
ground-breaking as he makes them appear to be. And even if we were to give him
the benefit of the doubt, is talking a good game the same as playing a good
game?
All the old post from the name players that Russ keeps reposting did not
specifically give him that accolade, some may have gave passing prise (out of
politness?) in very general, non-committal terms, but I've yet to see anyone of
the name players standing up and categorical stating that Russ is a WCP.
I am surprised that anyone felt so strongly about this clown to started a flame
over it (not you, that fucking moron DaVoice).
If that guy is really that good, let him prove it. He had a great chance to do
so when BG agreed to play him, but he chickened out. Until he has done so, he
will alays be a clown in my, and I think a lot of other's, opinion.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 03:12:45
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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You know Nick, I'd really like to honor your request not to comment on
your comments, but it is impossible. You are just being stubborn. Just
curious to know (and I am just curios so if you don't want to answer
don't, but don't read anything into it.
How old are you?
r u married?
you live in GB?
Where you play cash games and at what limits? (I know they are much higher
than what I can afford).
What do you/did you do in your working life, and are u now making a living
through poker or is it just recreational but serious?
On Dec 5 2006 6:23 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> On Dec 5 2006 10:36 PM, brewmaster wrote:
>
> > On Dec 5 2006 1:50 PM, DaVoice wrote:
> >
> > > "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrotek
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling
> > > > everyone how
> > > > great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it,
> > > > doesnt he?
> > >
> > >
> > > I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as
THICK
> > >
> > > as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
> > > the short bus to school.
> > >
> > > WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
> > > THAT DAY.
> > >
> > >
> > > WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
> > > WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
> > >
> > > subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?
> > >
> >
> > You see, what Nicky is missing here, is that nobody is defending Russ the
> > person. I don't know the man, so what I know of him is from here only.
> > However, his cheating admissions aside, it is fairly obvious that he has
> > been supporting himself playing poker at the highest levels for man years
> > and is a WCP. Others have stated exactly that. Is he a cheat? He says
> > he is. Is he a wacko? Aren't we all. But for Nicky to keep saying that
> > Russ is an inferior poker player simply because he thinks he is a wacko is
> > nuts. Just makes Nicky look childish.
> >
> > > Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>
> You see Brew, I have never acually said that Russ is an inferior poker
> player...inferior to who? I take the piss of out him because he keeps
> belittling the more known players in order to built himself up.
>
> I have constantly said that Russ MAY be a good player, but if he wants us to
> accept that he is half as good as he claims, he needs better than his words
as
> evidence. Is that being childish?
>
> And what evidence have we that 'is fairly obvios that he has been playing
poker
> at the highest to support himself and is a WCP', except that Russ said so
> himself? Wasn't he supposed to be in hiding because he fear for his life for
> the past god knows how many years?
>
> Some of his post on poker are good, some are down-right stupid, but none are
as
> ground-breaking as he makes them appear to be. And even if we were to give
him
> the benefit of the doubt, is talking a good game the same as playing a good
> game?
>
> All the old post from the name players that Russ keeps reposting did not
> specifically give him that accolade, some may have gave passing prise (out of
> politness?) in very general, non-committal terms, but I've yet to see anyone
of
> the name players standing up and categorical stating that Russ is a WCP.
>
> I am surprised that anyone felt so strongly about this clown to started a
flame
> over it (not you, that fucking moron DaVoice).
>
> If that guy is really that good, let him prove it. He had a great chance to
do
> so when BG agreed to play him, but he chickened out. Until he has done so,
he
> will alays be a clown in my, and I think a lot of other's, opinion.
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Date: 06 Dec 11:53:27
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 6 2006 11:12 AM, pokerchimp wrote:
> You know Nick, I'd really like to honor your request not to comment on
> your comments, but it is impossible. You are just being stubborn.
Not I. I am easily convinced by evidence, if someone could just post some. My
opinion at present is casued by the evidence I have seen so far.
Just
> curious to know (and I am just curios so if you don't want to answer
> don't, but don't read anything into it.
In the interest of peace and harmony during the season of goodwill, here are the
answers
> How old are you?
irrelevant...:-)
> r u married?
yes
> you live in GB?
yes
> Where you play cash games and at what limits? (I know they are much higher
> than what I can afford).
Its no sceret where I play my cash games...Mainly VC...Mainly 5/10 NL, sometimes
3/6 NL and 10/20 NL, very seldomly 20/50 NL. Did venture to Canbet for a while,
think I ended slightly ahead, with the bonus of a $5200 final ticket which was
converted to cash. I left the site because ongame would not allow me to convert
that ticket initially. Might follow Necornx to his new site though, when and if
they are ready to join a new network.
> What do you/did you do in your working life, and are u now making a living
> through poker or is it just recreational but serious?
Worked in the F&B field for most of my life...was a business consultant in HK
and Shanghai during the 90s. Recreational player, and I dont take it that
seriously, certainly not to the stage where I feel I have to extract the last
decimal point in value for a hand, and spent endless hours doing boring
calculations to do so. But is a nice second income *most* of the
time.... Certainly most of my 'toys' are bought with my poker earnings, as the
wife would never allow them otherwise.
Glad to see that we can agree to disagree on Russ without resorting to flames.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 05:46:50
From: jgm
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1165406007$917129@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 6 2006 11:12 AM, pokerchimp wrote:
>
>> You know Nick, I'd really like to honor your request not to comment on
>> your comments, but it is impossible. You are just being stubborn.
>
> Not I. I am easily convinced by evidence, if someone could just post some.
> My
> opinion at present is casued by the evidence I have seen so far.
It's difficult to see when eyes and mind are both closed.
Seems to me that in your world, the only 'evidence' you accept is tv final
tables.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 05:43:44
From: jgm
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1165361016$916887@recpoker.com...
> You see Brew, I have never acually said that Russ is an inferior poker
> player...inferior to who? I take the piss of out him because he keeps
> belittling the more known players in order to built himself up.
You mean the ones he used to pay to play him headsup?
> I have constantly said that Russ MAY be a good player, but if he wants us
> to
> accept that he is half as good as he claims, he needs better than his
> words as
> evidence. Is that being childish?
Of all the pro players that have posted on here, all desperate to discredit
Russ over the years- does the fact not one of them dared to say he sucks at
poker not tell you anything?
> And what evidence have we that 'is fairly obvios that he has been playing
> poker
> at the highest to support himself and is a WCP', except that Russ said so
> himself?
The fact that other pros have said so?
>
> Some of his post on poker are good, some are down-right stupid, but none
> are as
> ground-breaking as he makes them appear to be. And even if we were to give
> him
> the benefit of the doubt, is talking a good game the same as playing a
> good
> game?
Does Russ being a world class player hurt you in some way? You seem loathe
to accept it, no matter what.
> All the old post from the name players that Russ keeps reposting did not
> specifically give him that accolade, some may have gave passing prise (out
> of
> politness?) in very general, non-committal terms, but I've yet to see
> anyone of
> the name players standing up and categorical stating that Russ is a WCP.
Have any stated he sucks? All those that have wanted to discredit him? Why
not?
> If that guy is really that good, let him prove it.
To you? having proved it to his peers over a 40 year period doesn't count?
> He had a great chance to do
> so when BG agreed to play him, but he chickened out. Until he has done so,
> he
> will alays be a clown in my, and I think a lot of other's, opinion.
He's gutted.
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Date: 05 Dec 22:10:18
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 9:50 PM, DaVoice wrote:
> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrotek
>
> >
> > If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling
> > everyone how
> > great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it,
> > doesnt he?
>
>
> I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as THICK
> as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
> the short bus to school.
>
> WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
> THAT DAY.
>
>
> WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
> WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
>
> subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?
>
> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
You fucking moron....I could claim that I am a WCP and have won billions over
the years, doesnt prove a thing though, does it?
And whoever said winning a big event once? I said finish consistantly deep into
the money, or are you tell me that it doesnt take skill to do that, and that its
all luck?
Stupid fucking idiot.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 15:04:34
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1165356618$916836@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 5 2006 9:50 PM, DaVoice wrote:
>
>> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrotek
>>
>> >
>> > If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling
>> > everyone how
>> > great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it,
>> > doesnt he?
>>
>>
>> I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as
>> THICK
>> as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
>> the short bus to school.
>>
>> WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
>> THAT DAY.
>>
>>
>> WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
>> WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
>>
>> subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?
>>
>> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>
> You fucking moron....I could claim that I am a WCP and have won billions
> over
> the years, doesnt prove a thing though, does it?
>
> And whoever said winning a big event once? I said finish consistantly deep
> into
> the money, or are you tell me that it doesnt take skill to do that, and
> that its
> all luck?
>
> Stupid fucking idiot.
What is "consistently" deep in the money? 1 of every 15 tourneys? 1 of
every 30? 1 of every 60? Do you realize how many tourneys most of the "big
names" play in per year? Most of the top tourney pros are absolute FISH in
the high stakes cash games, and the smart ones will even ADMIT it to you,
and avoid the big games. There are a few who do well in both, but not many.
Would you care to point out to me ANYWHERE Russ G. has ever said he was a
"Tourney Pro"? There is a HUGE difference, and if you're too fucking stupid
to understand that there are very few players that excell at both large cash
games and tournament play then you are absolutely too fucking moronic to
continue having a conversation with.
Have you not READ what Sexton, Slim, Doyle, Roy Cooke, Daniel Negreanu, and
countless others have written about Russ G here on RGP? I think they may be
better judges of who can play and who can't than YOU, you fucktard. Crawl
back under you're bridge and wait for the three billygoats gruff.
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
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Date: 05 Dec 23:31:37
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 5 2006 11:04 PM, DaVoice wrote:
> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> news:1165356618$916836@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 5 2006 9:50 PM, DaVoice wrote:
> >
> >> "Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com> wrotek
> >>
> >> >
> >> > If Russ doesnt want the fame, what's he doing posting here telling
> >> > everyone how
> >> > great he is? If he does want the fame, well, he knows how to get it,
> >> > doesnt he?
> >>
> >>
> >> I am beginning to think you're not a troll, but that you really are as
> >> THICK
> >> as you're coming off here. You must have worn a hockey helmet and ridden
> >> the short bus to school.
> >>
> >> WINNING A TOURNEY PROVES NOTHING BUT YOU WERE THE GUY WHO GOT THE BREAKS
> >> THAT DAY.
> >>
> >>
> >> WINNING MILLIONS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS CONSISTENTLY PROVES YOU ARE A
> >> WORLD CLASS PLAYER.
> >>
> >> subtle enough for you shit-for-brains?
> >>
> >> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
> >
> > You fucking moron....I could claim that I am a WCP and have won billions
> > over
> > the years, doesnt prove a thing though, does it?
> >
> > And whoever said winning a big event once? I said finish consistantly deep
> > into
> > the money, or are you tell me that it doesnt take skill to do that, and
> > that its
> > all luck?
> >
> > Stupid fucking idiot.
>
>
> What is "consistently" deep in the money? 1 of every 15 tourneys? 1 of
> every 30? 1 of every 60?
A WCP surely can do 1 out of 15? Unless there are that many WCp out there?
Do you realize how many tourneys most of the "big
> names" play in per year? Most of the top tourney pros are absolute FISH in
> the high stakes cash games, and the smart ones will even ADMIT it to you,
> and avoid the big games. There are a few who do well in both, but not many.
I see...most of the top tourney pros are fish in cash games...they told you
that? Or did you take their winnings away on a table?
> Would you care to point out to me ANYWHERE Russ G. has ever said he was a
> "Tourney Pro"?
'The best poker player in the world' (his words) cannot play touraments?
There is a HUGE difference, and if you're too fucking stupid
> to understand that there are very few players that excell at both large cash
> games and tournament play then you are absolutely too fucking moronic to
> continue having a conversation with.
Well, you butted in and start flaming with someone who you considered a
moron...I think that marks you at a lower level? So you are a sub-moron?
> Have you not READ what Sexton, Slim, Doyle, Roy Cooke, Daniel Negreanu, and
> countless others have written about Russ G here on RGP?
Yes, I have. And none of them came out to say that Russ is a WCP....they gave
general praises, as I am sure they would do if I were corrosponding with them.
I think they may be
> better judges of who can play and who can't than YOU, you fucktard. Crawl
> back under you're bridge and wait for the three billygoats gruff.
>
> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
And a good day to you too, old chap.
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Date: 04 Dec 10:01:28
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 4 2006 2:26 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> On Dec 4 2006 9:06 AM, brewmaster wrote:
>
> > On Dec 3 2006 10:04 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 4 2006 5:43 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nick Wool wrote:
> > > > > Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > > > > > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > > > > > glorified lotteries.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world
> > > > > class
> > > > > player'
> > > > > such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
> > > >
> > > > REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> > > > must buy a ticket first.
> > > >
> > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Thank you for proving my point....
> >
> > How did he prove your point again? He said he's never played a WPT event,
> > and doesn't plan to. You can't win if you don't play.
>
> but but but...but if he is half as good as he claims, shouldn't he be entering
> and winning these big events? He keeps saying that those 'named' players
> aren't
> fit to lick his boots when it comes to poker, what better way to prove it?
>
> It would certainly put paid to all the doubters like me, and I will eat humble
> pie by post a big apology here, join his site at 10 times the price he is
> asking
> for now. He doesn't even have to win one, just finish consistently deep into
> the money would be good for this doubting nick. I made a similar offer in the
> fiasco of a challenge he made to BG, in which he stated that he would 'swim
> through a sea of shit' to plat BG, only that BG was too scared to play him.
> Well, we all know what happened to that little swim, don't we?
>
> After all, he 'fears nothing' now, has visited a Vegas casino not long ago, so
> he can't still be in fear of life, can he? Or does the fear mysteriously come
> back when he has to put his money where his mouth is?
>
> So no excuses for our great Russ now. Or can it all be down to luck?
>
> To paraphrase a saying which I think would describe Russ down to a T: Those
> who
> can, do; those who can't, bitch.
>
First try to get your head out of your ass.
Second give poker up you dont have a clue.
Third you are nothing but a troll I know it you know it and so does anyone else
here that knows the game.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 10:28:40
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 4 2006 5:01 AM, arlo payne wrote:
> On Dec 4 2006 2:26 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> >
> > On Dec 4 2006 9:06 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 3 2006 10:04 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Dec 4 2006 5:43 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nick Wool wrote:
> > > > > > Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > > > > > > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > > > > > > glorified lotteries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world
> > > > > > class
> > > > > > player'
> > > > > > such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
> > > > >
> > > > > REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> > > > > must buy a ticket first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Thank you for proving my point....
> > >
> > > How did he prove your point again? He said he's never played a WPT event,
> > > and doesn't plan to. You can't win if you don't play.
> >
> > but but but...but if he is half as good as he claims, shouldn't he be
entering
> > and winning these big events? He keeps saying that those 'named' players
> > aren't
> > fit to lick his boots when it comes to poker, what better way to prove it?
> >
> > It would certainly put paid to all the doubters like me, and I will eat
humble
> > pie by post a big apology here, join his site at 10 times the price he is
> > asking
> > for now. He doesn't even have to win one, just finish consistently deep
into
> > the money would be good for this doubting nick. I made a similar offer in
the
> > fiasco of a challenge he made to BG, in which he stated that he would 'swim
> > through a sea of shit' to plat BG, only that BG was too scared to play
him.
> > Well, we all know what happened to that little swim, don't we?
> >
> > After all, he 'fears nothing' now, has visited a Vegas casino not long
ago, so
> > he can't still be in fear of life, can he? Or does the fear mysteriously
come
> > back when he has to put his money where his mouth is?
> >
> > So no excuses for our great Russ now. Or can it all be down to luck?
> >
> > To paraphrase a saying which I think would describe Russ down to a T: Those
> > who
> > can, do; those who can't, bitch.
> >
>
> First try to get your head out of your ass.
> Second give poker up you dont have a clue.
> Third you are nothing but a troll I know it you know it and so does anyone
else
> here that knows the game.
Jeez Arlo. First time I have agreed with everything you said in a long
time.
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Date: 04 Dec 11:09:50
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 4 2006 10:01 AM, arlo payne wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 4 2006 2:26 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> >
> > On Dec 4 2006 9:06 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 3 2006 10:04 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Dec 4 2006 5:43 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nick Wool wrote:
> > > > > > Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > > > > > > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > > > > > > glorified lotteries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world
> > > > > > class
> > > > > > player'
> > > > > > such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
> > > > >
> > > > > REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> > > > > must buy a ticket first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Russ Georgiev
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.pokermafia.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Thank you for proving my point....
> > >
> > > How did he prove your point again? He said he's never played a WPT event,
> > > and doesn't plan to. You can't win if you don't play.
> >
> > but but but...but if he is half as good as he claims, shouldn't he be
> > entering
> > and winning these big events? He keeps saying that those 'named' players
> > aren't
> > fit to lick his boots when it comes to poker, what better way to prove it?
> >
> > It would certainly put paid to all the doubters like me, and I will eat
> > humble
> > pie by post a big apology here, join his site at 10 times the price he is
> > asking
> > for now. He doesn't even have to win one, just finish consistently deep
> > into
> > the money would be good for this doubting nick. I made a similar offer in
> > the
> > fiasco of a challenge he made to BG, in which he stated that he would 'swim
> > through a sea of shit' to plat BG, only that BG was too scared to play him.
> > Well, we all know what happened to that little swim, don't we?
> >
> > After all, he 'fears nothing' now, has visited a Vegas casino not long ago,
> > so
> > he can't still be in fear of life, can he? Or does the fear mysteriously
> > come
> > back when he has to put his money where his mouth is?
> >
> > So no excuses for our great Russ now. Or can it all be down to luck?
> >
> > To paraphrase a saying which I think would describe Russ down to a T: Those
> > who
> > can, do; those who can't, bitch.
> >
>
> First try to get your head out of your ass.
> Second give poker up you dont have a clue.
> Third you are nothing but a troll I know it you know it and so does anyone
> else
> here that knows the game.
>
Which of my above points do you consider wrong? I was merely stating a history
of Russ as seen during my time on RGP. If you think what I stated are wrong in
fact, and was being unfair to Russ, why dont you point them out, instead of
resorting to insults?
Answer to your points:
First, it is physically impossible for my head to be in my ass, so there is no
need to get it out. However, I would suggest you get your tongue out of Russ's
ass though. Can't be that hygenic in there, you know.
Second: as for the advice to give up poker because I don't have a clue. Hey, I
thought you 'experts' like clueless players like me on the table? After all, I
do play at for reasonable stakes, so it's not as though my money is beneath
you. The most I've ever lost in one hand is $5K...Not exactly a fortune, I
know, but nice loose change for your pocket nonetheless. So why are you
advising me to give up? You know, you are ranting here and not making any sense
at all with that advice.
Third: I am sure that you can claim to speak for everyone here who knows the
game, though I think you might need to provide us with some evidence on that
score. Now it may or may not be true that I am a troll, ....but your logic here
seems slightly flawed...So everyone that agrees with you here knows about the
game, and anyone that does not agree with you obviously doesnt know anything
about the game? Whatever you are on, could you give some? I would love to be
able to be so detach from reality as well.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 23:13:26
From: Douglas Dunn
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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RazzO wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/dd1052039cdb4b40
>
>
> On Dec 4 2006 10:16 PM, Douglas Dunn wrote:
>
> > (tm)
>
>
>
> RazzO
> email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
> http://www.razzo.com
>
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 04:35:19
From: Flushed
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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Well, no...the chances of winning a lottery if you buy a ticket...or just
occasionally look at the ground around your local 7-11 hoping to pick up a
winning ticket are about the same.
<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1165211006.334770.250030@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Nick Wool wrote:
>> Soon, when so many different players win these events,
>> > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
>> > glorified lotteries.
>> >
>> > Russ Georgiev
>> >
>> > http://www.pokermafia.com/
>>
>
>
>> Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world class
>> player'
>> such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
>
> REAL TRANSLATION: Russ can NEVER win a Lottery, nor a WPT event. You
> must buy a ticket first.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokermafia.com
>
>
>
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Date: 04 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> glorified lotteries.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> http://www.pokermafia.com/
Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world class player'
such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 10:25:48
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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Nick Wool wrote:
> Soon, when so many different players win these events,
> > reasonable people will realize these events are nothing more than
> > glorified lotteries.
> >
> > Russ Georgiev
> >
> > http://www.pokermafia.com/
>
> Translated from Russ speak: It must be a lottery, because a 'world class player'
> such as my self haven't managed to win one before.
As usual, you change the subject. I ask again, wouldn't it be FAIR if
the table drawing for placement were out in the open, as well as the
movement of players? Or do you believe it should be done for promotion
and "F" the unknowns?
Russ Georgiev
www.pokermafia.com
>
>
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 12:57:49
From: John B.
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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Doubtful. Many of the big names of today were once "nobodies". Ya gotta
start somewhere, right?
John B.
"Vic Morris" <VM237534@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> A buddy of mine who deals blackjack in Atlanta says WPT uses ringers to
stack
> tables of poker Stars with losers so the big names can move up.
> He says they also use dealers who stack the deck.
> The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables.
> He's been known to BS and I'm wondering if this is possible?
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 09:43:13
From: jarrett40
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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Vic Morris wrote:
> A buddy of mine who deals blackjack in Atlanta says WPT uses ringers to stack
> tables of poker Stars with losers so the big names can move up.
> He says they also use dealers who stack the deck.
> The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables.
> He's been known to BS and I'm wondering if this is possible?
A blackjack dealer in Atlanta? Hello? Is anybody in there?
I don't trust anybody when it comes to any kind of gambling, but let's
get real. WTF would a blackjack dealer in Atlanta know about the
workings of the WPT?
jarrett40
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Date: 04 Dec 18:09:43
From: Jonathan
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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you ppl cant grasp what nick is saying.
if russ is so fuckin good why doesnt he play in the big events and win them and
give himself some credibility, otherwise he just posts random shit on here,
whether they be right or wrong, he doesnt have much to back it in my book.
but i do enjoy reading russ's posts
On Dec 4 2006 9:43 AM, jarrett40 wrote:
> Vic Morris wrote:
> > A buddy of mine who deals blackjack in Atlanta says WPT uses ringers to
> > stack
> > tables of poker Stars with losers so the big names can move up.
> > He says they also use dealers who stack the deck.
> > The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables.
> > He's been known to BS and I'm wondering if this is possible?
>
> A blackjack dealer in Atlanta? Hello? Is anybody in there?
>
> I don't trust anybody when it comes to any kind of gambling, but let's
> get real. WTF would a blackjack dealer in Atlanta know about the
> workings of the WPT?
>
> jarrett40
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 10:36:35
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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Because Russ doesn't give a shit about what credibility he has in YOUR
book.
On Dec 4 2006 1:09 PM, Jonathan wrote:
> you ppl cant grasp what nick is saying.
>
> if russ is so fuckin good why doesnt he play in the big events and win them
and
> give himself some credibility, otherwise he just posts random shit on here,
> whether they be right or wrong, he doesnt have much to back it in my book.
>
> but i do enjoy reading russ's posts
>
> On Dec 4 2006 9:43 AM, jarrett40 wrote:
>
> > Vic Morris wrote:
> > > A buddy of mine who deals blackjack in Atlanta says WPT uses ringers to
> > > stack
> > > tables of poker Stars with losers so the big names can move up.
> > > He says they also use dealers who stack the deck.
> > > The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables.
> > > He's been known to BS and I'm wondering if this is possible?
> >
> > A blackjack dealer in Atlanta? Hello? Is anybody in there?
> >
> > I don't trust anybody when it comes to any kind of gambling, but let's
> > get real. WTF would a blackjack dealer in Atlanta know about the
> > workings of the WPT?
> >
> > jarrett40
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Date: 05 Dec
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move
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On Dec 4 2006 12:09 PM, Jonathan wrote:
> you ppl cant grasp what nick is saying.
>
> if russ is so fuckin good why doesnt he play in the big events and win them
> and
> give himself some credibility, otherwise he just posts random shit on here,
> whether they be right or wrong, he doesnt have much to back it in my book.
>
> but i do enjoy reading russ's posts
>
What you dont get is that Russ nor many other longtime professional players and
I am talking about the ones who have stood the test of time, most of whom were
playing either before tournaments came along or when there were only 1-2 worth
winning, arent impressed by tournament winners. They know the outcome of a 1-5
day tournament structure is going to have short term luck as the major deciding
factor. Guys like Doyle and Chip have gotten rich (richer) by relieving winners
of the wsop of large portions of their winnings.
The year Mortenson won the main event, a cheer went up in the high limit section
in the Bellagio poker room and it damn sure wasnt because he was popular. Its
because a know name wasnt going to take 3 million back to Iowa, they
knew Mortenson would be bringing it to their tables.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 09:37:06
From: jarrett40
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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phlash74 wrote:
> You just might be on to something. All they need to do is offer prize
> money nowhere near what is regularly won on the WPT and WSOP, and hire
> announcers who will put Sexton and Van Patten to shame.
There is no better poker announcer than Sexton [although Gabe Kaplan is
just as good].
jarrett40
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 18:19:46
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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"There is no better poker announcer than Sexton [although Gabe Kaplan is
just as good].
jarrett40"
I agree completely. Mike Sexton, Gabe Kaplan and Shanna Hiatt would be the
poker announcer "dream team".
Irish Mike
"jarrett40" <jarrett40@msn.com > wrote in message
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>
> phlash74 wrote:
>> You just might be on to something. All they need to do is offer prize
>> money nowhere near what is regularly won on the WPT and WSOP, and hire
>> announcers who will put Sexton and Van Patten to shame.
>
> There is no better poker announcer than Sexton [although Gabe Kaplan is
> just as good].
>
> jarrett40
>
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 00:09:44
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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On Dec 4, 12:01 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables."
>
> Really? Maybe they should start some kind of Professional Poker Tour.
> Then, they could issue them player cards - you know, just like the
> professional golfers. I'll bet this might even work as a TV show. The
> only question is, what would you call it?
>
> Irish Mike
You just might be on to something. All they need to do is offer prize
money nowhere near what is regularly won on the WPT and WSOP, and hire
announcers who will put Sexton and Van Patten to shame. The final step
is to make the qualifying process mysterious and inexplicable. I think
they should get right to it.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 08:01:47
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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"The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables."
Really? Maybe they should start some kind of Professional Poker Tour.
Then, they could issue them player cards - you know, just like the
professional golfers. I'll bet this might even work as a TV show. The
only question is, what would you call it?
Irish Mike
"Vic Morris" <VM237534@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:jpa7n2pridlpn33l1lgf4u165r7q3gsooi@4ax.com...
>
> A buddy of mine who deals blackjack in Atlanta says WPT uses ringers to
> stack
> tables of poker Stars with losers so the big names can move up.
> He says they also use dealers who stack the deck.
> The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables.
> He's been known to BS and I'm wondering if this is possible?
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 10:21:19
From: Vic Morris
Subject: Re: WPT using ringers and crooked dealers to move poker 'stars' to the final table?
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:01:47 GMT, "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:
>"The WPT wants to see more big names at the final tables."
>
>Really? Maybe they should start some kind of Professional Poker Tour.
>Then, they could issue them player cards - you know, just like the
>professional golfers. I'll bet this might even work as a TV show. The
>only question is, what would you call it?
>
WWF. <g >
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