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Date: 07 Dec 2006 11:17:49
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Unprofessional PPT
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Saw something on the Professional Poker Tour tonight that I thought was out
of line. Seven handed spot light table, ante is $200, so there should be
$1,400 in antes. In one hand, two players don't ante (Charlie Shoten and
Dewey Tomko) and one player (Bobby Hoff) antes twice. So there are only
$1,200 in antes on the table instead of the required $1,400. It's bad
enough that the dealer can't keep track of the antes at a seven handed
table, but they went ahead and played out the hand when the pot was short
$200.
They later showed how it happened and it didn't look like any player tried
to intentionally short the pot. The point is that this is supposed to the
Professional Poker Tour - operative word being "Professional". They should
have cleared up the problem before proceeding with the hand. I think it was
just sloppy dealing and sloppy tournament direction. You'd think the
Professional Poker Tour would set a little higher standard.
Of course, that's just one man's opinion.
Irish Mike
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 07:49:42
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: Unprofessional PPT
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Irish Mike wrote:
> Hadn't really thought of it from the editing perspective. However, in my
> tournament experience it's rare that a dealer would *knowingly* proceed with
> a hand when the pot is short on antes. Seems to me that once you start
> letting this slide, you only encourage the angle shooters.
Yeah it's rather sad from that perspective. Well they're young, with
training and experience, their on site dealers will get used to things,
one would hope. I'm just glad it was addressed instead of swept under
the carpet.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 05:34:51
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: Unprofessional PPT
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Irish Mike wrote:
> They later showed how it happened and it didn't look like any player tried
> to intentionally short the pot. The point is that this is supposed to the
> Professional Poker Tour - operative word being "Professional". They should
> have cleared up the problem before proceeding with the hand. I think it was
> just sloppy dealing and sloppy tournament direction. You'd think the
> Professional Poker Tour would set a little higher standard.
Then again, on the flip side, it does show something about the PPT. In
the years that the other tours in America and Europe, I'm certain that
there have been short pots at feature tables or final tables. But
rather than address the issue, they edit any such incidents out to
focus on the 'glory hands'.
It's interesting to me that the PPT not only admits that these things
happen some times, but that they investigated and showed how it
happened. Showing a bit of poker reality there, not just the glory.
So although the dealers and maybe the floor / TD get a minus, the
editors of the show get a plus, in my book.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 14:33:30
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Unprofessional PPT
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Hadn't really thought of it from the editing perspective. However, in my
tournament experience it's rare that a dealer would *knowingly* proceed with
a hand when the pot is short on antes. Seems to me that once you start
letting this slide, you only encourage the angle shooters.
Irish Mike
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> Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> They later showed how it happened and it didn't look like any player
>> tried
>> to intentionally short the pot. The point is that this is supposed to
>> the
>> Professional Poker Tour - operative word being "Professional". They
>> should
>> have cleared up the problem before proceeding with the hand. I think it
>> was
>> just sloppy dealing and sloppy tournament direction. You'd think the
>> Professional Poker Tour would set a little higher standard.
>
> Then again, on the flip side, it does show something about the PPT. In
> the years that the other tours in America and Europe, I'm certain that
> there have been short pots at feature tables or final tables. But
> rather than address the issue, they edit any such incidents out to
> focus on the 'glory hands'.
>
> It's interesting to me that the PPT not only admits that these things
> happen some times, but that they investigated and showed how it
> happened. Showing a bit of poker reality there, not just the glory.
>
> So although the dealers and maybe the floor / TD get a minus, the
> editors of the show get a plus, in my book.
>
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Date: 07 Dec 13:34:48
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: Unprofessional PPT
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On Dec 7 2006 6:17 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Saw something on the Professional Poker Tour tonight that I thought was out
> of line. Seven handed spot light table, ante is $200, so there should be
> $1,400 in antes. In one hand, two players don't ante (Charlie Shoten and
> Dewey Tomko) and one player (Bobby Hoff) antes twice. So there are only
> $1,200 in antes on the table instead of the required $1,400. It's bad
> enough that the dealer can't keep track of the antes at a seven handed
> table, but they went ahead and played out the hand when the pot was short
> $200.
>
> They later showed how it happened and it didn't look like any player tried
> to intentionally short the pot. The point is that this is supposed to the
> Professional Poker Tour - operative word being "Professional". They should
> have cleared up the problem before proceeding with the hand. I think it was
> just sloppy dealing and sloppy tournament direction. You'd think the
> Professional Poker Tour would set a little higher standard.
>
> Of course, that's just one man's opinion.
>
> Irish Mike
Mistakes happen but the dealers should have known the pot was short. How they
would have found out that one player paid twice and 2 didn't is beyond me.
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Date: 07 Dec 12:42:56
From: Mr. Peoples
Subject: Re: Unprofessional PPT
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Get off your soapbox bud
On Dec 7 2006 4:17 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Saw something on the Professional Poker Tour tonight that I thought was out
> of line. Seven handed spot light table, ante is $200, so there should be
> $1,400 in antes. In one hand, two players don't ante (Charlie Shoten and
> Dewey Tomko) and one player (Bobby Hoff) antes twice. So there are only
> $1,200 in antes on the table instead of the required $1,400. It's bad
> enough that the dealer can't keep track of the antes at a seven handed
> table, but they went ahead and played out the hand when the pot was short
> $200.
>
> They later showed how it happened and it didn't look like any player tried
> to intentionally short the pot. The point is that this is supposed to the
> Professional Poker Tour - operative word being "Professional". They should
> have cleared up the problem before proceeding with the hand. I think it was
> just sloppy dealing and sloppy tournament direction. You'd think the
> Professional Poker Tour would set a little higher standard.
>
> Of course, that's just one man's opinion.
>
> Irish Mike
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