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Date: 03 Dec 2006 20:40:45
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Tournament vs Live Game Rule about raising question
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We are at my home game playing a little tourney waiting for some more
players to show up. Player A bets. Player B announces raise. First he
puts in enough chips to call the bet. Then he picks up a large stack of
chips, moves them forward, and puts down about half of the stack without
releasing the other half.
One person contended that the rule in a tournament is that once one makes a
forward motion with all the chips, he must bet all that was in his hand, but
that this is not true for cash games.
In Rule 36 of the Tournament Director's Rulebook, it states: "One motion:
In NL or PL when raising, a player must either put the amount of the raise
out in one motion or state the raise amount. By stating the word raise, a
player protects his right to raise, but the raise must be made in one
additional motion unless he states the amount.
That doesn't really answer my question.
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Date: 04 Dec
From: Mav2000
Subject: Re: Tournament vs Live Game Rule about raising question
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If rule 36 is the only tourney rule dealing with this issue, then the player
acted within the rules. The fact that the rule "doesn't answer your question"
just means that the rule is silent on that particular betting motion. So, if
his motion did not violate the stated requirements, it's legal.
Of course, you can have any additional house rules you want.
On Dec 3 2006 12:40 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> We are at my home game playing a little tourney waiting for some more
> players to show up. Player A bets. Player B announces raise. First he
> puts in enough chips to call the bet. Then he picks up a large stack of
> chips, moves them forward, and puts down about half of the stack without
> releasing the other half.
>
> One person contended that the rule in a tournament is that once one makes a
> forward motion with all the chips, he must bet all that was in his hand, but
> that this is not true for cash games.
>
> In Rule 36 of the Tournament Director's Rulebook, it states: "One motion:
> In NL or PL when raising, a player must either put the amount of the raise
> out in one motion or state the raise amount. By stating the word raise, a
> player protects his right to raise, but the raise must be made in one
> additional motion unless he states the amount.
>
> That doesn't really answer my question.
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Date: 04 Dec
From: Tanya AKA MissT74
Subject: Re: Tournament vs Live Game Rule about raising question
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I think it all depends on what the rule is in regards to the "betting line" at
the casino (or home) where you are. Some apply the rule, some don't.
T
On Dec 3 2006 1:40 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> We are at my home game playing a little tourney waiting for some more
> players to show up. Player A bets. Player B announces raise. First he
> puts in enough chips to call the bet. Then he picks up a large stack of
> chips, moves them forward, and puts down about half of the stack without
> releasing the other half.
>
> One person contended that the rule in a tournament is that once one makes a
> forward motion with all the chips, he must bet all that was in his hand, but
> that this is not true for cash games.
>
> In Rule 36 of the Tournament Director's Rulebook, it states: "One motion:
> In NL or PL when raising, a player must either put the amount of the raise
> out in one motion or state the raise amount. By stating the word raise, a
> player protects his right to raise, but the raise must be made in one
> additional motion unless he states the amount.
>
> That doesn't really answer my question.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 13:23:57
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Tournament vs Live Game Rule about raising question
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On Dec 3 2006 12:40 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> We are at my home game playing a little tourney waiting for some more
> players to show up. Player A bets. Player B announces raise. First he
> puts in enough chips to call the bet. Then he picks up a large stack of
> chips, moves them forward, and puts down about half of the stack without
> releasing the other half.
>
> One person contended that the rule in a tournament is that once one makes a
> forward motion with all the chips, he must bet all that was in his hand, but
> that this is not true for cash games.
>
> In Rule 36 of the Tournament Director's Rulebook, it states: "One motion:
> In NL or PL when raising, a player must either put the amount of the raise
> out in one motion or state the raise amount. By stating the word raise, a
> player protects his right to raise, but the raise must be made in one
> additional motion unless he states the amount.
>
> That doesn't really answer my question.
Where I play people do this all the time, and nobody says anything.
People do it for limps also (it looks like they are raising but they just
drop in the one chip and pull the stack back). It bothers me, but nobody
else seems to care. I've decided to just not make any decisions about my
own actions until the action gets to me and I can evaluate what has
happened, not what it looks like may happen.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 16:08:20
From: Schmedley
Subject: Re: Tournament vs Live Game Rule about raising question
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"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:hDGch.6671$7T5.5755@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> We are at my home game playing a little tourney waiting for some more
> players to show up. Player A bets. Player B announces raise. First he
> puts in enough chips to call the bet. Then he picks up a large stack of
> chips, moves them forward, and puts down about half of the stack without
> releasing the other half.
>
> One person contended that the rule in a tournament is that once one makes
a
> forward motion with all the chips, he must bet all that was in his hand,
but
> that this is not true for cash games.
>
> In Rule 36 of the Tournament Director's Rulebook, it states: "One motion:
> In NL or PL when raising, a player must either put the amount of the raise
> out in one motion or state the raise amount. By stating the word raise, a
> player protects his right to raise, but the raise must be made in one
> additional motion unless he states the amount.
>
> That doesn't really answer my question.
>
How about: the move with the stack in his hand is the one additional
motion, and the bet. The act of putting half the stack is a second motion
and of no effect.
>
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 13:03:34
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Tournament vs Live Game Rule about raising question
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On Dec 3 2006 1:40 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> We are at my home game playing a little tourney waiting for some more
> players to show up. Player A bets. Player B announces raise. First he
> puts in enough chips to call the bet. Then he picks up a large stack of
> chips, moves them forward, and puts down about half of the stack without
> releasing the other half.
>
> One person contended that the rule in a tournament is that once one makes a
> forward motion with all the chips, he must bet all that was in his hand, but
> that this is not true for cash games.
>
> In Rule 36 of the Tournament Director's Rulebook, it states: "One motion:
> In NL or PL when raising, a player must either put the amount of the raise
> out in one motion or state the raise amount. By stating the word raise, a
> player protects his right to raise, but the raise must be made in one
> additional motion unless he states the amount.
>
> That doesn't really answer my question.
It's a house rule. I think that you should have to bet with any chips
that cross the betting line, but many places allow smaller bets.
Fell
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