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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:35:15
From: Russell Patterson
Subject: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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In the few weeks before withdrawing what I had left at FTP, I had been
dealt KK way more often than I should be getting it. How can this be
considered unlucky you say?
Roughly 60% of the time I get KK, an ace hits the flop and a caller of
the raise I put in preflop also has an ace. Out of the remaining 40%
of the times I got KK half of those, the caller had AA.
I am not a math expert regarding odds of this happening, but if
someone wants to post the data, please do.
Everybody gets after someone who complains about a site, but keeps on
playing. Well, here is one player that won't keep playing on a site
that is too unlucky for him.
And no, I do not have hand histories to post here either. My time is
too valuable to bother looking them up. Suffice to say that I have
played enough on other sites to notice when one is abnormally unlucky
for me.
It may very well be that there is constantly a black cloud over my
head giving me the bad luck, and I am not going to fall into the trap
of blaming the site(s) for doing it on purpose, but I have read quite
a few other people's posts regarding this, and I believe the case
could be made that it is in the interest of the sites to provide more
action. In ring games, it will increase the rake/hand. In STT/MTT
play it improves the bandwidth by getting people to bust out faster,
allowing more games to be played in the same amount of time.
These are my thoughts and obviously, like everyone else, I have no
proof. I only felt too unlucky to continue to play there.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 13:10:01
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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Russell Patterson wrote:
> In the few weeks before withdrawing what I had left at FTP, I had been
> dealt KK way more often than I should be getting it. How can this be
> considered unlucky you say?
> Roughly 60% of the time I get KK, an ace hits the flop and a caller of
> the raise I put in preflop also has an ace. Out of the remaining 40%
> of the times I got KK half of those, the caller had AA.
> I am not a math expert regarding odds of this happening, but if
> someone wants to post the data, please do.
Before you go making claims of thing like 60% this, and way too many
times... Don't make the silly statement of "If someone wants to post the
data"... No, you have made the charges... YOU post the data...
Otherwise nonsensical charges will be accepted as the rantings of a
crazed looney loser. If you want to post this, send 10 dollars to
barge.org, and then you are allowed exactly 2 posts. After that they
are 10 dollars each, and you can earn free posts by responding to the
complaints of others. You can earn free posts by getting kill-filed by
the rest of the ranting crazies here. Eventually, if you are
successful, you will be broke, and posting to yourself, though you may
be winning the alt.usenet.kooks yearly awards. (Which I think are
perpetually awarded to sam sloan, and ray gorden. I think they spend
far too little time in this part of the usenet).
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 23:13:40
From: Russell Patterson
Subject: Re: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:10:01 -0800, johnny T <N0body@home.com > wrote:
>Russell Patterson wrote:
>> In the few weeks before withdrawing what I had left at FTP, I had been
>> dealt KK way more often than I should be getting it. How can this be
>> considered unlucky you say?
>> Roughly 60% of the time I get KK, an ace hits the flop and a caller of
>> the raise I put in preflop also has an ace. Out of the remaining 40%
>> of the times I got KK half of those, the caller had AA.
>> I am not a math expert regarding odds of this happening, but if
>> someone wants to post the data, please do.
>
>Before you go making claims of thing like 60% this, and way too many
>times... Don't make the silly statement of "If someone wants to post the
>data"... No, you have made the charges... YOU post the data...
I made no explicit charges. I only said I was too unlucky and maybe
that's all it is. As far as the math experts go, I was hoping someone
could post the actual odds of KK being beaten in the way I described.
>Otherwise nonsensical charges will be accepted as the rantings of a
>crazed looney loser. If you want to post this, send 10 dollars to
>barge.org, and then you are allowed exactly 2 posts. After that they
>are 10 dollars each, and you can earn free posts by responding to the
>complaints of others. You can earn free posts by getting kill-filed by
>the rest of the ranting crazies here. Eventually, if you are
>successful, you will be broke, and posting to yourself, though you may
>be winning the alt.usenet.kooks yearly awards. (Which I think are
>perpetually awarded to sam sloan, and ray gorden. I think they spend
>far too little time in this part of the usenet).
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 07:22:55
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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> I made no explicit charges. I only said I was too unlucky and maybe
> that's all it is. As far as the math experts go, I was hoping someone
> could post the actual odds of KK being beaten in the way I described.
I thought it was common knowledge that KK is a dog to any A, any pocket
pair, and any 2 suited cards?
Morphy
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 11:10:36
From: Bronzedodger
Subject: Re: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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On Dec 15 2006 10:22 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > I made no explicit charges. I only said I was too unlucky and maybe
> > that's all it is. As far as the math experts go, I was hoping someone
> > could post the actual odds of KK being beaten in the way I described.
>
> I thought it was common knowledge that KK is a dog to any A, any pocket
> pair, and any 2 suited cards?
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
Don't forget unsuited 2-gappers.
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Date: 14 Dec 21:44:59
From: LadyBowie
Subject: Re: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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You have lucky and unlucky days. I just can't stand the players that think there
are no odds involved. I swear there was a woman playing at the same table I was
on Poker.com and she said, "I love poker it's just like bingo!" She wasn't
joking either.
But as for bad beats online they are to be expected. Like so many people have
said, you play more hands online than you do live, so more bad beats can happen.
On Dec 14 2006 4:10 PM, johnny T wrote:
> Russell Patterson wrote:
> > In the few weeks before withdrawing what I had left at FTP, I had been
> > dealt KK way more often than I should be getting it. How can this be
> > considered unlucky you say?
> > Roughly 60% of the time I get KK, an ace hits the flop and a caller of
> > the raise I put in preflop also has an ace. Out of the remaining 40%
> > of the times I got KK half of those, the caller had AA.
> > I am not a math expert regarding odds of this happening, but if
> > someone wants to post the data, please do.
>
> Before you go making claims of thing like 60% this, and way too many
> times... Don't make the silly statement of "If someone wants to post the
> data"... No, you have made the charges... YOU post the data...
> Otherwise nonsensical charges will be accepted as the rantings of a
> crazed looney loser. If you want to post this, send 10 dollars to
> barge.org, and then you are allowed exactly 2 posts. After that they
> are 10 dollars each, and you can earn free posts by responding to the
> complaints of others. You can earn free posts by getting kill-filed by
> the rest of the ranting crazies here. Eventually, if you are
> successful, you will be broke, and posting to yourself, though you may
> be winning the alt.usenet.kooks yearly awards. (Which I think are
> perpetually awarded to sam sloan, and ray gorden. I think they spend
> far too little time in this part of the usenet).
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 14:03:51
From: igotskillz com
Subject: Re: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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Im endlessy beaten by people who are making bad bets
There were 2 guys who always played together there, i mentioned it to one
of the staff who said" they never play together when i am there"
now i lose there, go figure.
On Dec 14 2006 5:44 PM, LadyBowie wrote:
> You have lucky and unlucky days. I just can't stand the players that think
there
> are no odds involved. I swear there was a woman playing at the same table I
was
> on Poker.com and she said, "I love poker it's just like bingo!" She wasn't
> joking either.
>
> But as for bad beats online they are to be expected. Like so many people have
> said, you play more hands online than you do live, so more bad beats can
happen.
>
> On Dec 14 2006 4:10 PM, johnny T wrote:
>
> > Russell Patterson wrote:
> > > In the few weeks before withdrawing what I had left at FTP, I had been
> > > dealt KK way more often than I should be getting it. How can this be
> > > considered unlucky you say?
> > > Roughly 60% of the time I get KK, an ace hits the flop and a caller of
> > > the raise I put in preflop also has an ace. Out of the remaining 40%
> > > of the times I got KK half of those, the caller had AA.
> > > I am not a math expert regarding odds of this happening, but if
> > > someone wants to post the data, please do.
> >
> > Before you go making claims of thing like 60% this, and way too many
> > times... Don't make the silly statement of "If someone wants to post the
> > data"... No, you have made the charges... YOU post the data...
> > Otherwise nonsensical charges will be accepted as the rantings of a
> > crazed looney loser. If you want to post this, send 10 dollars to
> > barge.org, and then you are allowed exactly 2 posts. After that they
> > are 10 dollars each, and you can earn free posts by responding to the
> > complaints of others. You can earn free posts by getting kill-filed by
> > the rest of the ranting crazies here. Eventually, if you are
> > successful, you will be broke, and posting to yourself, though you may
> > be winning the alt.usenet.kooks yearly awards. (Which I think are
> > perpetually awarded to sam sloan, and ray gorden. I think they spend
> > far too little time in this part of the usenet).
Thank YOU
www.igotskillz.com
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 13:07:06
From: funboi
Subject: Re: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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Before playing poker, either for free or money, one should look at the
list of all poker sites in the world.
I suggest poker novice or pro to look at www.PokerEvaluation.com
Good luck and happy holiday!
Russell Patterson wrote:
> In the few weeks before withdrawing what I had left at FTP, I had been
> dealt KK way more often than I should be getting it. How can this be
> considered unlucky you say?
> Roughly 60% of the time I get KK, an ace hits the flop and a caller of
> the raise I put in preflop also has an ace. Out of the remaining 40%
> of the times I got KK half of those, the caller had AA.
> I am not a math expert regarding odds of this happening, but if
> someone wants to post the data, please do.
> Everybody gets after someone who complains about a site, but keeps on
> playing. Well, here is one player that won't keep playing on a site
> that is too unlucky for him.
> And no, I do not have hand histories to post here either. My time is
> too valuable to bother looking them up. Suffice to say that I have
> played enough on other sites to notice when one is abnormally unlucky
> for me.
> It may very well be that there is constantly a black cloud over my
> head giving me the bad luck, and I am not going to fall into the trap
> of blaming the site(s) for doing it on purpose, but I have read quite
> a few other people's posts regarding this, and I believe the case
> could be made that it is in the interest of the sites to provide more
> action. In ring games, it will increase the rake/hand. In STT/MTT
> play it improves the bandwidth by getting people to bust out faster,
> allowing more games to be played in the same amount of time.
> These are my thoughts and obviously, like everyone else, I have no
> proof. I only felt too unlucky to continue to play there.
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Date: 14 Dec 20:47:52
From: LadyBowie
Subject: Re: Too Unlucky at Full Tilt
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I love Full Tilt. It is by far my favorite site, and I have played at a lot of
them. For me it seems it's the only site where I don't take bad beat after bad
beat.
Now, if I had to pick the absolute worse site for me. It would definately be
Poker.Com. I HATE that site. My aces lose to any two suited cards. I hit four of
a kind 5's on the flop and shove all in, the guy calls with 23 suited and makes
a straight flush on the river.
Now, I have never said that a poker site was rigged. Lol, I have even stuck up
for PokerStars, but if there is a site out there that could be rigged I would
have to say it's Poker.Com
On Dec 14 2006 3:35 PM, Russell Patterson wrote:
> In the few weeks before withdrawing what I had left at FTP, I had been
> dealt KK way more often than I should be getting it. How can this be
> considered unlucky you say?
> Roughly 60% of the time I get KK, an ace hits the flop and a caller of
> the raise I put in preflop also has an ace. Out of the remaining 40%
> of the times I got KK half of those, the caller had AA.
> I am not a math expert regarding odds of this happening, but if
> someone wants to post the data, please do.
> Everybody gets after someone who complains about a site, but keeps on
> playing. Well, here is one player that won't keep playing on a site
> that is too unlucky for him.
> And no, I do not have hand histories to post here either. My time is
> too valuable to bother looking them up. Suffice to say that I have
> played enough on other sites to notice when one is abnormally unlucky
> for me.
> It may very well be that there is constantly a black cloud over my
> head giving me the bad luck, and I am not going to fall into the trap
> of blaming the site(s) for doing it on purpose, but I have read quite
> a few other people's posts regarding this, and I believe the case
> could be made that it is in the interest of the sites to provide more
> action. In ring games, it will increase the rake/hand. In STT/MTT
> play it improves the bandwidth by getting people to bust out faster,
> allowing more games to be played in the same amount of time.
> These are my thoughts and obviously, like everyone else, I have no
> proof. I only felt too unlucky to continue to play there.
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