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Date: 27 Nov 2006 18:56:26
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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Hello All,
This may not get alot of responses because it is not real money
tourneys I am talking about; rather freerolls on Pokerstars.
I only play freerolls online and play cash games at the B&M casino.
OK here is my general theory. These HUGE MTT have quite a few players
who play crazy in the beginning and usually all the way down to about
2-3 hundred before you hit the freeroll.
This is going to sound pretty stupid I am sure, but I only play top ten
hands all the until I hit the final table then I obviously loosen up.
Also I only continue when i have good hands or great draws. These MTT
usually last 4-5 hours so you end up seeing quite a few hands so the
odds are in your favor just to sit back and wait till you have a good
hand before betting.
Basically I try NOT to bluff @ all. It usually is tempting, but if you
really want to win it patience is best.
People playing freerolls typically do not pay attention enough to know
thats how you play and also you bounce so much it would be hard for
anyone to figure this out before it is too late.
What do you all think? Good idea or am I just talking out of my ass
again?
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 22:52:38
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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"John_Brian_K" <John_Brian_Kent_1677@Yahoo.Com > wrote in message
news:1164682586.418202.264910@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Hello All,
>
> This may not get alot of responses because it is not real money
> tourneys I am talking about; rather freerolls on Pokerstars.
>
> I only play freerolls online and play cash games at the B&M casino.
>
> OK here is my general theory. These HUGE MTT have quite a few players
> who play crazy in the beginning and usually all the way down to about
> 2-3 hundred before you hit the freeroll.
>
> This is going to sound pretty stupid I am sure, but I only play top ten
> hands all the until I hit the final table then I obviously loosen up.
> Also I only continue when i have good hands or great draws. These MTT
> usually last 4-5 hours so you end up seeing quite a few hands so the
> odds are in your favor just to sit back and wait till you have a good
> hand before betting.
>
> Basically I try NOT to bluff @ all. It usually is tempting, but if you
> really want to win it patience is best.
>
> People playing freerolls typically do not pay attention enough to know
> thats how you play and also you bounce so much it would be hard for
> anyone to figure this out before it is too late.
>
> What do you all think? Good idea or am I just talking out of my ass
> again?
For huge freerolls, the stategy you suggest is what I've found gets you
farthest most often. (Deepest average finish.) In a time investment scheme,
you may be investing a whole lot of time on a small payoff. There are more
advanced strategies that take calculated risks at gaining more chips early
on.
tvp
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 10:03:07
From: tvp
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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Top pros are writing material all the time. Check out any and all
articles they've written. Full Tilt has many articles which go into
early tournament strategy for instance.
tvp
Mav2000 wrote:
> ..and what might some of those be??
>
> On Nov 27 2006 10:53 PM, Tad Perry wrote:
>
> > "John_Brian_K" wrote in message
> > news:1164682586.418202.264910@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > For huge freerolls, the stategy you suggest is what I've found gets you
> > farthest most often. (Deepest average finish.) In a time investment scheme,
> > you may be investing a whole lot of time on a small payoff. There are more
> > advanced strategies that take calculated risks at gaining more chips early
> > on.
> >
> > tvp
>
>
>
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Date: 28 Nov
From: Mav2000
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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..and what might some of those be??
On Nov 27 2006 10:53 PM, Tad Perry wrote:
> "John_Brian_K" wrote in message
> news:1164682586.418202.264910@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Hello All,
> >
> > This may not get alot of responses because it is not real money
> > tourneys I am talking about; rather freerolls on Pokerstars.
> >
> > I only play freerolls online and play cash games at the B&M casino.
> >
> > OK here is my general theory. These HUGE MTT have quite a few players
> > who play crazy in the beginning and usually all the way down to about
> > 2-3 hundred before you hit the freeroll.
> >
> > This is going to sound pretty stupid I am sure, but I only play top ten
> > hands all the until I hit the final table then I obviously loosen up.
> > Also I only continue when i have good hands or great draws. These MTT
> > usually last 4-5 hours so you end up seeing quite a few hands so the
> > odds are in your favor just to sit back and wait till you have a good
> > hand before betting.
> >
> > Basically I try NOT to bluff @ all. It usually is tempting, but if you
> > really want to win it patience is best.
> >
> > People playing freerolls typically do not pay attention enough to know
> > thats how you play and also you bounce so much it would be hard for
> > anyone to figure this out before it is too late.
> >
> > What do you all think? Good idea or am I just talking out of my ass
> > again?
>
> For huge freerolls, the stategy you suggest is what I've found gets you
> farthest most often. (Deepest average finish.) In a time investment scheme,
> you may be investing a whole lot of time on a small payoff. There are more
> advanced strategies that take calculated risks at gaining more chips early
> on.
>
> tvp
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 14:05:36
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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On 27 Nov 2006 18:56:26 -0800, "John_Brian_K"
<John_Brian_Kent_1677@Yahoo.Com > wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>This may not get alot of responses because it is not real money
>tourneys I am talking about; rather freerolls on Pokerstars.
>
>I only play freerolls online and play cash games at the B&M casino.
>
>OK here is my general theory. These HUGE MTT have quite a few players
>who play crazy in the beginning and usually all the way down to about
>2-3 hundred before you hit the freeroll.
>
>This is going to sound pretty stupid I am sure, but I only play top ten
>hands all the until I hit the final table then I obviously loosen up.
>Also I only continue when i have good hands or great draws. These MTT
>usually last 4-5 hours so you end up seeing quite a few hands so the
>odds are in your favor just to sit back and wait till you have a good
>hand before betting.
>
>Basically I try NOT to bluff @ all. It usually is tempting, but if you
>really want to win it patience is best.
>
>People playing freerolls typically do not pay attention enough to know
>thats how you play and also you bounce so much it would be hard for
>anyone to figure this out before it is too late.
>
>What do you all think? Good idea or am I just talking out of my ass
>again?
You must have a very boring experience in freerolls. I prefer to look
for an opportunity to get doubled up early and then it's a lot more
fun. But I don't mean I make lunatic calls or try to bluff my way to
glory.
--
Dr Zen
King of the wild pixels.
http://gollyg.blogspot.com
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:41:46
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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> Not possible. In any decent size MTTs, you will be blinded out unless you get
> hit in the face by the deck with strategy. To go deep/FT in an MTT, you need
> lots of luck, and one way to see if you are lucky will be to try and see cheap
> flops with speculative hands when in position, or even out of position if you
> consider a raise unlikely. You also need to steal small pots now and again to
> keep up with the rapidly rising blinds.
Again thanks for the response Nick, but I have to disagree with you on
this one unless the times I went REALLY deep in the huge 10,000 person
freerolls I was just getting hit with the deck. I have won 1 and
finished top 100 2 other times.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:21:17
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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> Limit or NL?...let's assume NL, because I am better at that than limit, but
> that's not saying a lot really.
>
> You said SNGs in your title, but then goes on to discuss big MTTs in the main
> thread...confusing really. First, let's stick to big MTTs, I quote:
>
> 'but I only play top ten hands all the until I hit the final table then I
> obviously loosen up'
>
> Not possible. In any decent size MTTs, you will be blinded out unless you get
> hit in the face by the deck with strategy. To go deep/FT in an MTT, you need
> lots of luck, and one way to see if you are lucky will be to try and see cheap
> flops with speculative hands when in position, or even out of position if you
> consider a raise unlikely. You also need to steal small pots now and again to
> keep up with the rapidly rising blinds.
>
> Your over-tight strategy is not even that good for cash games, as it makes you
> way too predictable, and you might hold on to your hand way too often in the
> face of strong action because you feel your top ten hand should win more often.
> Although having said that, you should be able to win at up 5/10 NL playing that
> tight unless you come up against a table full of observant players, not really
> your usual feature online. You will not be able maximise your opportunities,
> but your tight strategy can be a way of winning small constantly online without
> too much risk .
>
> As for SNGs, for the early stages, it would be an effective strategy, but unless
> you loosen up as the blinds increase, and also try a few steals when card dead,
> you will be looking at being blinded out more often than not.
Yeah sorry for the mess up on the title and thanks for the response I
was talking about no limit I forgot to mention that as well. All
points are well received thanks for the response.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:19:57
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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> For huge freerolls, the stategy you suggest is what I've found gets you
> farthest most often. (Deepest average finish.) In a time investment scheme,
> you may be investing a whole lot of time on a small payoff. There are more
> advanced strategies that take calculated risks at gaining more chips early
> on.
Yeah VERY small payoff, but I play at night when I have nothing else
going on and I really do not like to play for real money online.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:14:32
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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> You must have a very boring experience in freerolls. I prefer to look
> for an opportunity to get doubled up early and then it's a lot more
> fun. But I don't mean I make lunatic calls or try to bluff my way to
> glory.
It is very boring.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 08:55:50
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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On 28 Nov 2006 08:14:32 -0800, "John_Brian_K"
<John_Brian_Kent_1677@Yahoo.Com > wrote:
>> You must have a very boring experience in freerolls. I prefer to look
>> for an opportunity to get doubled up early and then it's a lot more
>> fun. But I don't mean I make lunatic calls or try to bluff my way to
>> glory.
>
>It is very boring.
What I'd suggest is mixing in pocket pairs and connectors from the
button when you can get in for a bet. Also suited aces, but play them
very cautiously. Or play on more than one site, and have several games
on the go!
--
Dr Zen
King of the wild pixels.
http://gollyg.blogspot.com
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Date: 28 Nov
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this style during online SNG
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On Nov 28 2006 2:56 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> This may not get alot of responses because it is not real money
> tourneys I am talking about; rather freerolls on Pokerstars.
>
> I only play freerolls online and play cash games at the B&M casino.
>
> OK here is my general theory. These HUGE MTT have quite a few players
> who play crazy in the beginning and usually all the way down to about
> 2-3 hundred before you hit the freeroll.
>
> This is going to sound pretty stupid I am sure, but I only play top ten
> hands all the until I hit the final table then I obviously loosen up.
> Also I only continue when i have good hands or great draws. These MTT
> usually last 4-5 hours so you end up seeing quite a few hands so the
> odds are in your favor just to sit back and wait till you have a good
> hand before betting.
>
> Basically I try NOT to bluff @ all. It usually is tempting, but if you
> really want to win it patience is best.
>
> People playing freerolls typically do not pay attention enough to know
> thats how you play and also you bounce so much it would be hard for
> anyone to figure this out before it is too late.
>
> What do you all think? Good idea or am I just talking out of my ass
> again?
Limit or NL?...let's assume NL, because I am better at that than limit, but
that's not saying a lot really.
You said SNGs in your title, but then goes on to discuss big MTTs in the main
thread...confusing really. First, let's stick to big MTTs, I quote:
'but I only play top ten hands all the until I hit the final table then I
obviously loosen up'
Not possible. In any decent size MTTs, you will be blinded out unless you get
hit in the face by the deck with strategy. To go deep/FT in an MTT, you need
lots of luck, and one way to see if you are lucky will be to try and see cheap
flops with speculative hands when in position, or even out of position if you
consider a raise unlikely. You also need to steal small pots now and again to
keep up with the rapidly rising blinds.
Your over-tight strategy is not even that good for cash games, as it makes you
way too predictable, and you might hold on to your hand way too often in the
face of strong action because you feel your top ten hand should win more often.
Although having said that, you should be able to win at up 5/10 NL playing that
tight unless you come up against a table full of observant players, not really
your usual feature online. You will not be able maximise your opportunities,
but your tight strategy can be a way of winning small constantly online without
too much risk .
As for SNGs, for the early stages, it would be an effective strategy, but unless
you loosen up as the blinds increase, and also try a few steals when card dead,
you will be looking at being blinded out more often than not.
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