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Date: 12 Dec 16:55:37
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Thoughts on this...?
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Why do people never put you on a big hand if you lead out on a dangerous flop?
2 examples from the same table today...
3/6 NL ring game, 6 handed table.
UTG with 600 limped, sb with 850 called, and bb with 450 checked...flop QQ6...Sb
bet 18, bb folds, UTG raised to 100, SB reraised to 250, UTG jammed....SB called
and turned over Q6, UTG showed AA...sad thing was, an ace hit the river....And
no, I wasnt in this pot.
Folded to button who put in a standard 3x Raise to 18. SB folded, I was in BB
with a stack of 650, called with 66. Flop 66T 2 suited...a dream flop. But
would I get action? Button had 580 in his stack. I led out with a pot bet of
39...button raised to 120, I min reraised, he jammed and showed KK. :) He said
he couldnt put me on a hand because the way I led out on that
flop....interesting...
So I suppose the idea is to never slow play your power hand online these days?
The buggers never seem to put you on trips if you lead out on a pair flop,
but tend to be more cautious if you check-raise...Thoughts?
For what it is worth, I can understand losing your stack with a big overpair to
a hidden set, but they never seem to back off on a paired flop once you led
out? Why?
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 10:52:33
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this...?
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Nick Wool wrote:
> Why do people never put you on a big hand if you lead out on a dangerous flop?
>
> 2 examples from the same table today...
>
> 3/6 NL ring game, 6 handed table.
>
> UTG with 600 limped, sb with 850 called, and bb with 450 checked...flop QQ6...Sb
> bet 18, bb folds, UTG raised to 100, SB reraised to 250, UTG jammed....SB called
> and turned over Q6, UTG showed AA...sad thing was, an ace hit the river....And
> no, I wasnt in this pot.
>
> Folded to button who put in a standard 3x Raise to 18. SB folded, I was in BB
> with a stack of 650, called with 66. Flop 66T 2 suited...a dream flop. But
> would I get action? Button had 580 in his stack. I led out with a pot bet of
> 39...button raised to 120, I min reraised, he jammed and showed KK. :) He said
> he couldnt put me on a hand because the way I led out on that
> flop....interesting...
>
> So I suppose the idea is to never slow play your power hand online these days?
> The buggers never seem to put you on trips if you lead out on a pair flop,
> but tend to be more cautious if you check-raise...Thoughts?
>
> For what it is worth, I can understand losing your stack with a big overpair to
> a hidden set, but they never seem to back off on a paired flop once you led
> out? Why?
Why? Because THEY would never play a big hand that way. They would
trap. They see Phil Hellmuth and all their other heroes trap and they
don't think you are any different. Some of them were never going to let
go of a big overpair, especially Aces, no matter what you do and that
guy in the first hand who limped UTG with AA probably figured, having
failed to show his strength preflop, that he probably still had the
best hand. .
I love it when the guy who just stacked off with few or no outs says
"Why did you bet (or why did you bet so much) didn't you want any
action?"
Reuben, in the older book with Ciaffone, relates the size of the pot to
the size of the smaller of the two stacks and gives situations where
one might play to check-raise with a flopped set but mostly he
advocates betting out.
Will in New Haven
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 09:00:26
From: Ron Dworkin
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this...?
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Yup, I routinely lead when I flop big. You can't stack him if you
don't start building the pot.
nice hand, nick.
Nick Wool wrote:
> Why do people never put you on a big hand if you lead out on a dangerous flop?
>
> 2 examples from the same table today...
>
> 3/6 NL ring game, 6 handed table.
>
> UTG with 600 limped, sb with 850 called, and bb with 450 checked...flop QQ6...Sb
> bet 18, bb folds, UTG raised to 100, SB reraised to 250, UTG jammed....SB called
> and turned over Q6, UTG showed AA...sad thing was, an ace hit the river....And
> no, I wasnt in this pot.
>
> Folded to button who put in a standard 3x Raise to 18. SB folded, I was in BB
> with a stack of 650, called with 66. Flop 66T 2 suited...a dream flop. But
> would I get action? Button had 580 in his stack. I led out with a pot bet of
> 39...button raised to 120, I min reraised, he jammed and showed KK. :) He said
> he couldnt put me on a hand because the way I led out on that
> flop....interesting...
>
> So I suppose the idea is to never slow play your power hand online these days?
> The buggers never seem to put you on trips if you lead out on a pair flop,
> but tend to be more cautious if you check-raise...Thoughts?
>
> For what it is worth, I can understand losing your stack with a big overpair to
> a hidden set, but they never seem to back off on a paired flop once you led
> out? Why?
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