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Date: 19 Dec 20:31:15
From: SnoopySuited
Subject: Thoughts on a hand.....
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I always wonder if I do the right thing in this situation when the hand is
multihanded.....
PokerStars Game #7513394135: Tournament #38432814, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit -
Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/19 - 15:22:49 (ET)
Table '38432814 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: smokingnines (2069 in chips)
Seat 2: SnoopySuited (2611 in chips)
Seat 3: Creamedcage1 (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: Jstar21 (1165 in chips)
Seat 5: Greyhoss (1965 in chips)
Seat 6: Stister (1320 in chips)
Seat 7: DL2000 (1875 in chips)
Seat 8: kmberlake (1055 in chips)
SnoopySuited: posts small blind 25
Creamedcage1: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SnoopySuited [7d 7s]
Jstar21: folds
Greyhoss: folds
Stister: folds
DL2000: raises 100 to 150
kmberlake: calls 150
smokingnines: folds
SnoopySuited: calls 125
Creamedcage1: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac Qs 7c]
SnoopySuited: checks
DL2000: bets 250
kmberlake: calls 250
SnoopySuited: raises 400 to 650
DL2000: calls 400
kmberlake: calls 400
*** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
Thoughts so far? What's next?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:31:40
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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On Dec 19 2006 1:31 PM, SnoopySuited wrote:
> I always wonder if I do the right thing in this situation when the hand is
> multihanded.....
> PokerStars Game #7513394135: Tournament #38432814, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/19 - 15:22:49 (ET)
> Table '38432814 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: smokingnines (2069 in chips)
> Seat 2: SnoopySuited (2611 in chips)
> Seat 3: Creamedcage1 (1440 in chips)
> Seat 4: Jstar21 (1165 in chips)
> Seat 5: Greyhoss (1965 in chips)
> Seat 6: Stister (1320 in chips)
> Seat 7: DL2000 (1875 in chips)
> Seat 8: kmberlake (1055 in chips)
> SnoopySuited: posts small blind 25
> Creamedcage1: posts big blind 50
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to SnoopySuited [7d 7s]
> Jstar21: folds
> Greyhoss: folds
> Stister: folds
> DL2000: raises 100 to 150
> kmberlake: calls 150
> smokingnines: folds
> SnoopySuited: calls 125
> Creamedcage1: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Ac Qs 7c]
> SnoopySuited: checks
> DL2000: bets 250
> kmberlake: calls 250
> SnoopySuited: raises 400 to 650
> DL2000: calls 400
> kmberlake: calls 400
> *** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
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>
>
> Thoughts so far? What's next?
2 options: Check or all-in. Checking is tryng to say that you had a hand
like AK, but having been called twice, you are worried that one of your
opponents has a Q. This is usually true, so the only benefit to checking
is letting a flush possibly catch a 2nd best hand. I think all-in is the
best move, though, and if you lose to Qx on the river or AQ, then so be it.
Fell
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 01:40:28
From: Tate and Lyle
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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Fold.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 15:15:01
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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On Dec 19 2006 12:31 PM, SnoopySuited wrote:
> I always wonder if I do the right thing in this situation when the hand is
> multihanded.....
> PokerStars Game #7513394135: Tournament #38432814, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/19 - 15:22:49 (ET)
> Table '38432814 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: smokingnines (2069 in chips)
> Seat 2: SnoopySuited (2611 in chips)
> Seat 3: Creamedcage1 (1440 in chips)
> Seat 4: Jstar21 (1165 in chips)
> Seat 5: Greyhoss (1965 in chips)
> Seat 6: Stister (1320 in chips)
> Seat 7: DL2000 (1875 in chips)
> Seat 8: kmberlake (1055 in chips)
> SnoopySuited: posts small blind 25
> Creamedcage1: posts big blind 50
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to SnoopySuited [7d 7s]
> Jstar21: folds
> Greyhoss: folds
> Stister: folds
> DL2000: raises 100 to 150
> kmberlake: calls 150
> smokingnines: folds
> SnoopySuited: calls 125
> Creamedcage1: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Ac Qs 7c]
> SnoopySuited: checks
> DL2000: bets 250
> kmberlake: calls 250
> SnoopySuited: raises 400 to 650
Yes, here's my thought....PUSH HERE!!!
> DL2000: calls 400
> kmberlake: calls 400
> *** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
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>
> Thoughts so far? What's next?
You left yourself with only enough chips to push (which you have to do).
There's over 2300 in the pot and you have 1800. Are you going to fold a
boat? If one of them has AQ you were getting called on a (correct) flop
push anyway, but at least you would have gotten it all in with the best of
it (which you may still have).
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 03:20:32
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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I would have led out on that flop. Many people would just see that as
some sort of continuation bet, even though its not. I would have made it
a big bet too, a lot more than what your raise was. I am not afraid of
people folding. WIth that flop I would assume/hope that someone has the
ace in their hand. If they do they wont fold. Bad players can never fold
aces. Your checkraise isnt a bad play either, but my raise would have
been all in. With the previous action you would probably get called.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:48:45
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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On Dec 19, 12:31 pm, SnoopySuited <43083...@recpoker.com > wrote:
> I always wonder if I do the right thing in this situation when the hand is
> multihanded.....
> PokerStars Game #7513394135: Tournament #38432814, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/19 - 15:22:49 (ET)
> Table '38432814 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: smokingnines (2069 in chips)
> Seat 2: SnoopySuited (2611 in chips)
> Seat 3: Creamedcage1 (1440 in chips)
> Seat 4: Jstar21 (1165 in chips)
> Seat 5: Greyhoss (1965 in chips)
> Seat 6: Stister (1320 in chips)
> Seat 7: DL2000 (1875 in chips)
> Seat 8: kmberlake (1055 in chips)
> SnoopySuited: posts small blind 25
> Creamedcage1: posts big blind 50
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to SnoopySuited [7d 7s]
> Jstar21: folds
> Greyhoss: folds
> Stister: folds
> DL2000: raises 100 to 150
> kmberlake: calls 150
> smokingnines: folds
> SnoopySuited: calls 125
> Creamedcage1: folds
Good call here.
> *** FLOP *** [Ac Qs 7c]
> SnoopySuited: checks
> DL2000: bets 250
> kmberlake: calls 250
> SnoopySuited: raises 400 to 650
> DL2000: calls 400
> kmberlake: calls 400
I flop bottom set from the SB against two opponents, I'm leading out
(for about 300-400 in this example) more often than not, especially
against a board with two of one suit and two high cards. If the
preflop raiser has TPGK, he'll likely raise you, allowing you to move
him all-in and get a call. If you do go for the checkraise, you need
to raise more here. There was 500 in the pot preflop, and there's 1000
in the pot when the action gets back to you. Your opponents have 1475
and 655 remaining, and a pot sized raise would be to 1500. I'd raise
at least enough to put the short-stack all-in, so pop it to 1000. If
the PF raiser calls you, you and he are both committed no matter what
happens.
> *** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
>
> Thoughts so far? What's next?
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The way you played it, there's 2350 in the pot and your opponents have
less than half of that each. Just push here and hope for a call. Let
me guess, one of them turned over AQ, right? Wouldn't you have rather
got that money in on the flop with them drawing to 4 outs?
Michael
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Date: 19 Dec 21:11:41
From: SnoopySuited
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....(Part II)
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Ok, Thanks for the flop info. Point taken.
What would you have done differently if there was no Ace on the flop and/or it
was heads up?
The turn move seemed to be a no brainer move, which evidently has been supported
by the responses.
*** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
SnoopySuited: bets 1811 and is all-in
DL2000: calls 1075 and is all-in
kmberlake: calls 255 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Ac Qs 7c Qh] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SnoopySuited: shows [7d 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Queens)
DL2000: shows [Ad Ts] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
SnoopySuited collected 1640 from side pot
kmberlake: shows [Jc Tc] (a flush, Ace high)
SnoopySuited collected 3215 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4855 Main pot 3215. Side pot 1640.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:24:00
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....(Part II)
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> Ok, Thanks for the flop info. Point taken.
> What would you have done differently if there was no Ace on the flop and/or
it
> was heads up?
All depends on the player, chip stacks, texture of the board, moon phases,
that sort of thing. I mean, if the flop is 742 rainbow, I likely
check-call and hope a paint card hits the turn. If the flop is KQ7 I lead
out and hope to get raised. If I'm against an opponent who hates to be
bullied around, I check-raise figuring he jams at me. There's a lot of
things that come into play here.
Morphy
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 12:54:04
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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On Dec 19 2006 2:31 PM, SnoopySuited wrote:
> Seat 2: SnoopySuited (2611 in chips)
> Seat 7: DL2000 (1875 in chips)
> Seat 8: kmberlake (1055 in chips)
> SnoopySuited: posts small blind 25
> Creamedcage1: posts big blind 50
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to SnoopySuited [7d 7s]
> Jstar21: folds
> Greyhoss: folds
> Stister: folds
> DL2000: raises 100 to 150
> kmberlake: calls 150
> smokingnines: folds
> SnoopySuited: calls 125
> Creamedcage1: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Ac Qs 7c]
> SnoopySuited: checks
> DL2000: bets 250
> kmberlake: calls 250
> SnoopySuited: raises 400 to 650
> DL2000: calls 400
> kmberlake: calls 400
> *** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
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>
>
> Thoughts so far? What's next?
Not much left. Kimberlake only has 255 chips left in a pot that's over
2000. He's there no matter what you do. DL2000 only has 1000 left. He
was the aggressor until your check raise and he just called.
At this point you should go ahead and bet his stack for him. The pot is
so big relative to your stacks that anything less would be seen as begging
for a call. Just hope he doesn't have AA or AQ.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 12:55:28
From: GrouchySmurf1002
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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On Dec 19 2006 3:31 PM, SnoopySuited wrote:
> I always wonder if I do the right thing in this situation when the hand is
> multihanded.....
> PokerStars Game #7513394135: Tournament #38432814, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/19 - 15:22:49 (ET)
> Table '38432814 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: smokingnines (2069 in chips)
> Seat 2: SnoopySuited (2611 in chips)
> Seat 3: Creamedcage1 (1440 in chips)
> Seat 4: Jstar21 (1165 in chips)
> Seat 5: Greyhoss (1965 in chips)
> Seat 6: Stister (1320 in chips)
> Seat 7: DL2000 (1875 in chips)
> Seat 8: kmberlake (1055 in chips)
> SnoopySuited: posts small blind 25
> Creamedcage1: posts big blind 50
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to SnoopySuited [7d 7s]
> Jstar21: folds
> Greyhoss: folds
> Stister: folds
> DL2000: raises 100 to 150
> kmberlake: calls 150
> smokingnines: folds
> SnoopySuited: calls 125
> Creamedcage1: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Ac Qs 7c]
> SnoopySuited: checks
> DL2000: bets 250
> kmberlake: calls 250
> SnoopySuited: raises 400 to 650
> DL2000: calls 400
> kmberlake: calls 400
> *** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
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>
>
> Thoughts so far? What's next?
No problems preflop.
I personally would lead out on the flop there for about 250 and hope the
Ax in DL's hand raises.
Given that you check-raised, I'd have at least put kmberlake in for her
stack. I probably stack off all together and try to sell that I have a
club draw, but I can see trying not to scare them off.
They only have 250 and 1075 lef on the turn, the pot is close to 2500
already, there's only one play there. If AQ decided to "trap" by not
stacking off on the flop, more power to him. I'm not giving random Qx's
a free card.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 12:46:56
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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> I always wonder if I do the right thing in this situation when the hand is
> multihanded.....
I have a 50/50 chance of either making the perfect play, or making the
exact opposite of the perfect play. With that said...
> PokerStars Game #7513394135: Tournament #38432814, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/19 - 15:22:49 (ET)
> Table '38432814 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: smokingnines (2069 in chips)
> Seat 2: SnoopySuited (2611 in chips)
> Seat 3: Creamedcage1 (1440 in chips)
> Seat 4: Jstar21 (1165 in chips)
> Seat 5: Greyhoss (1965 in chips)
> Seat 6: Stister (1320 in chips)
> Seat 7: DL2000 (1875 in chips)
> Seat 8: kmberlake (1055 in chips)
> SnoopySuited: posts small blind 25
> Creamedcage1: posts big blind 50
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to SnoopySuited [7d 7s]
> Jstar21: folds
> Greyhoss: folds
> Stister: folds
> DL2000: raises 100 to 150
> kmberlake: calls 150
> smokingnines: folds
> SnoopySuited: calls 125
> Creamedcage1: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Ac Qs 7c]
> SnoopySuited: checks
> DL2000: bets 250
> kmberlake: calls 250
> SnoopySuited: raises 400 to 650
2 thoughts so far. First I would have led out on this flop. 500 in the
pot, I'd bet like 300. This is a perfect flop for you, because there's a
real good chance there's an A out there. The plan is to lead, hope to get
raised, and jam. If you're up against AA/QQ, that sucks, but you should
be ok to go broke here because AK/AQ/AJ are all very likely holdings.
Secondly, since you didn't lead, you have to raise much more after the bet
and the call. I'd make it 1000 or so, and be prepared to call a jam.
With your raise there, you give the flush draw perfect odds to hang around.
To summarize, my goal here is to try and get all my chips in with someone
else.
> DL2000: calls 400
> kmberlake: calls 400
> *** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
>
> Thoughts so far? What's next?
Well that card is real interesting. To me it seems that it either just
beat you, or it just killed your action. AK/AJ is going to shut down for
fear of AQ, and AQ is drooling over the chance to bust you. The only
thing you can hope for here is some idiot with AK/AJ who ignores the Q and
puts you on ummm, something else, KcQc who thinks he is real strong here
but is really screwed, or some other idiot with another pair who thinks he
has "2 pair" now and is ignoring the A.
Man, I hate this card, and the way the pot was set up, any bet here
commits you. I guess you could bet 800 here with the intention of folding
to a jam, but I hate that. I hate open jamming here because the only hand
that calls you has you beat. And for that matter, I hate checking here,
because any of the hands I mentioned is likely to put a huge bet in, and
you won't know if it's a hand you crush or one that has you crushed.
So ummm, do something else on the flop. Yeah, that's my answer.
Morphy
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 12:57:48
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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> I have a 50/50 chance of either making the perfect play, or making the
> exact opposite of the perfect play. With that said...
Bah, I missed the stack sizes of your opponents. Told you!
Based on that, I still like leading the flop with the set, and calling a
jam. If you go for the check raise, just push. In you situation where
you didn't do either, I agree with Raider, just bet them all-in on the
turn.
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Date: 20 Dec 14:58:43
From: Teabagger
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a hand.....
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I am getting all my chips in here. If I am up against AQ, AA, or QQ, so be it.
Based on the action so far, I doubt that those hands are out there. If someone
had those hands, you would have seen a reraise on the flop.
Betting or check raising the flop are both good options here. It depends on who
you are up against and your table image. If you have been aggressive, I would
bet, hoping for a raise. If you have been tight, a check raise might be in
order.
Your check raise should have been bigger.
Slow playing might be a little dangerous here, but is also a viable option.
On Dec 19 2006 3:31 PM, SnoopySuited wrote:
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> I always wonder if I do the right thing in this situation when the hand is
> multihanded.....
> PokerStars Game #7513394135: Tournament #38432814, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/19 - 15:22:49 (ET)
> Table '38432814 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: smokingnines (2069 in chips)
> Seat 2: SnoopySuited (2611 in chips)
> Seat 3: Creamedcage1 (1440 in chips)
> Seat 4: Jstar21 (1165 in chips)
> Seat 5: Greyhoss (1965 in chips)
> Seat 6: Stister (1320 in chips)
> Seat 7: DL2000 (1875 in chips)
> Seat 8: kmberlake (1055 in chips)
> SnoopySuited: posts small blind 25
> Creamedcage1: posts big blind 50
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to SnoopySuited [7d 7s]
> Jstar21: folds
> Greyhoss: folds
> Stister: folds
> DL2000: raises 100 to 150
> kmberlake: calls 150
> smokingnines: folds
> SnoopySuited: calls 125
> Creamedcage1: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Ac Qs 7c]
> SnoopySuited: checks
> DL2000: bets 250
> kmberlake: calls 250
> SnoopySuited: raises 400 to 650
> DL2000: calls 400
> kmberlake: calls 400
> *** TURN *** [Ac Qs 7c] [Qh]
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>
>
> Thoughts so far? What's next?
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