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Date: 20 Dec 2006 11:34:08
From: John Turmel
Subject: TAJPROFESSOR: Turmel2Step Outs-Odds Exercise #008
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JCT: Online calculators combine flush, straight and pair
draws in 7-9 steps to find cut points for "Calling Overlays,
Folding Underlays." The Turmel2Step Holdem Outs-Odds in-head
calculator gets really close in just 2 steps (cut it out):
Step 1) Count pot bets for outs needed to chase:
Odds: 45 22 14 10 8 7 6 5 4 3+ 3+ 3 2+ 2+ 2 offered by pot
Outs: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 needed to call
Step 2) Count outs to "Call Overlays, Fold Underlays."
Draw: 4FL 4S2 4S1 TRS PRK PR2 OC1 PRP 3FL 3ST
Turn: 9-1 8 4 10 5 4 3 2 0 0 outs on Turn
Flop: 9-1 8 4 8 5 4 3 2 2-0 1 outs on Flop
Boss 1-card 0-overgap 4-flush is 99(999) outs vs 1-5 oppts.
1-overgap 88(776); 2-overgaps 87(655); 3-overgaps 76(544);
4&5-overgaps and 4&5-undergaps 75(432);
3&2-undergaps 64(321); 1&0-undergaps 53(211).
Non-boss 1-card 3-flush is 1 out except for the bottom five
ranks against 3 or more opponents which are worth 0 outs.
Demote all draws by 1 rank if no Ace is on board.
Exercise draws are offered in the following format:
XsYc[AsBhCcDd]n AB11 f+s+p=o
"XsYc" is your hand "[AsBhCcDd]" is the board on the Turn
s=spades, h=hearts, c=clubs, d=diamonds
"n" is the number of opponents. "AB11" is hand IDentifier
"f+s+p=o\o" mean flush + straight + pair = outs\odds
ON THE TURN
QsTs[9s6s4d3c]1 AD44 ___+___+___=___
9s8s[JsTh4d3c]2 AC05 ___+___+___=___
4s3s[Ks8s4d2c]5 AD40 ___+___+___=___
4s4c[KsJd8c4h]1 AA71 ___+___+___=___
AD44 9+ +6 =15\2 AC05 +8+ =08\5
AD40 9+ +5 =14\2+ AA71 + +10=10\3+
6c4s[AsKs6s6d]2 CH07 ___+___+___=___
Ts9c[As9d8s7s]2 CD14 ___+___+___=___
6s2c[Ks3s2s2d]4 CR09 ___+___+___=___
6c5s[Ks6d3s2s]1 CS13 ___+___+___=___
CH07 4+ +10=14\2+ CD14 6+6+4 =16\2
CR09 1+ +10=11\3+ CS13 5+3+4*=12\3
* overlapping flush and set cards
ON THE FLOP
7s6s[Ah9h2c]4 BC07 ___+___+___=___
QsTs[QhTh3c]1 BA32 ___+___+___=___
Ts9s[As4d3c]2 BG04 ___+___+___=___
Ts9s[Jh9d8c]2 BF34 ___+___+___=___
BC07 +1+ =01\46 BA32 + +4=04\10
BG04 2+ + =02\22 BF34 +8+5=13\2+
9c7s[5s3s2d]2 ET09 ___+___+___=___
KsTc[QsJs4s]1 DL26 ___+___+___=___
AcKs[QsTs6d]3 EM23 ___+___+___=___
9s8c[6s3s2s]2 DQ15 ___+___+___=___
ET09 1+1+6=08\5 DL26 8+6+3=17\2
EM23 1+4+6=11\3+ DQ15 4+1+6=11\3+
From the "Turmel2Step Holdem Outs-Odds System Study Course &
Exercise Book" at http://www.lulu.com/johnturmel
System at http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/2stepsys.txt
Feedback to http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/turmel2step
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:48:49
From: GrimJack808
Subject: Re: TAJPROFESSOR: Turmel2Step Outs-Odds Exercise #008
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Well your post got me curious, and since you provide your system free
from your link, I took a look at it.
Are there people on this usegroup that actually use such a formulaic
way to play Hold'Em?
How does reading the playwer fit in with this method of playing, or do
you simply ignore it?
This is the first time I have seen such a system fro Hold'Em (Although
I haven't been looking very hard). I have seen such systems for Omaha
and Stud.
Just Wondering
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John Turmel wrote:
> JCT: Online calculators combine flush, straight and pair
> draws in 7-9 steps to find cut points for "Calling Overlays,
> Folding Underlays." The Turmel2Step Holdem Outs-Odds in-head
> calculator gets really close in just 2 steps (cut it out):
>
> Step 1) Count pot bets for outs needed to chase:
> Odds: 45 22 14 10 8 7 6 5 4 3+ 3+ 3 2+ 2+ 2 offered by pot
> Outs: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 needed to call
>
> Step 2) Count outs to "Call Overlays, Fold Underlays."
> Draw: 4FL 4S2 4S1 TRS PRK PR2 OC1 PRP 3FL 3ST
> Turn: 9-1 8 4 10 5 4 3 2 0 0 outs on Turn
> Flop: 9-1 8 4 8 5 4 3 2 2-0 1 outs on Flop
> Boss 1-card 0-overgap 4-flush is 99(999) outs vs 1-5 oppts.
> 1-overgap 88(776); 2-overgaps 87(655); 3-overgaps 76(544);
> 4&5-overgaps and 4&5-undergaps 75(432);
> 3&2-undergaps 64(321); 1&0-undergaps 53(211).
> Non-boss 1-card 3-flush is 1 out except for the bottom five
> ranks against 3 or more opponents which are worth 0 outs.
> Demote all draws by 1 rank if no Ace is on board.
>
> Exercise draws are offered in the following format:
> XsYc[AsBhCcDd]n AB11 f+s+p=o
> "XsYc" is your hand "[AsBhCcDd]" is the board on the Turn
> s=spades, h=hearts, c=clubs, d=diamonds
> "n" is the number of opponents. "AB11" is hand IDentifier
> "f+s+p=o\o" mean flush + straight + pair = outs\odds
>
> ON THE TURN
> QsTs[9s6s4d3c]1 AD44 ___+___+___=___
> 9s8s[JsTh4d3c]2 AC05 ___+___+___=___
> 4s3s[Ks8s4d2c]5 AD40 ___+___+___=___
> 4s4c[KsJd8c4h]1 AA71 ___+___+___=___
> AD44 9+ +6 =15\2 AC05 +8+ =08\5
> AD40 9+ +5 =14\2+ AA71 + +10=10\3+
>
> 6c4s[AsKs6s6d]2 CH07 ___+___+___=___
> Ts9c[As9d8s7s]2 CD14 ___+___+___=___
> 6s2c[Ks3s2s2d]4 CR09 ___+___+___=___
> 6c5s[Ks6d3s2s]1 CS13 ___+___+___=___
> CH07 4+ +10=14\2+ CD14 6+6+4 =16\2
> CR09 1+ +10=11\3+ CS13 5+3+4*=12\3
> * overlapping flush and set cards
>
> ON THE FLOP
> 7s6s[Ah9h2c]4 BC07 ___+___+___=___
> QsTs[QhTh3c]1 BA32 ___+___+___=___
> Ts9s[As4d3c]2 BG04 ___+___+___=___
> Ts9s[Jh9d8c]2 BF34 ___+___+___=___
> BC07 +1+ =01\46 BA32 + +4=04\10
> BG04 2+ + =02\22 BF34 +8+5=13\2+
>
> 9c7s[5s3s2d]2 ET09 ___+___+___=___
> KsTc[QsJs4s]1 DL26 ___+___+___=___
> AcKs[QsTs6d]3 EM23 ___+___+___=___
> 9s8c[6s3s2s]2 DQ15 ___+___+___=___
> ET09 1+1+6=08\5 DL26 8+6+3=17\2
> EM23 1+4+6=11\3+ DQ15 4+1+6=11\3+
>
> From the "Turmel2Step Holdem Outs-Odds System Study Course &
> Exercise Book" at http://www.lulu.com/johnturmel
> System at http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/2stepsys.txt
> Feedback to http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/turmel2step
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