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Date: 28 Nov
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Stars rigged...?
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..no. Just donkeys everwhere, and they get lucky...2 lovely hands for you lot
to treasure.
Hand 1: Do they really think that calling a raise like that at turn on a 2
suited flop was getting good odds? But I see why some of you call it riverstars
now.
hand 2: With his stack, did he really think he was getting any FE? ...With the
exception of AA, I was getting the odds to call a push, yet he pushed with
K6...interesting play. But once again, riverstars earns its name.
PokerStars Game #7207024092: Tournament #36843888, $70+$6 Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2006/11/28 - 00:33:20 (ET)
Table '36843888 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: TBALL1145 (2310 in chips)
Seat 2: kolobokk (4320 in chips)
Seat 3: Honest_Nick (2370 in chips)
TBALL1145: posts small blind 50
kolobokk: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Honest_Nick [Kd Td]
Honest_Nick: raises 200 to 300
TBALL1145: calls 250
kolobokk: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Jd 3c]
TBALL1145: bets 300
Honest_Nick: calls 300
*** TURN *** [7c Jd 3c] [Kh]
TBALL1145: bets 400
Honest_Nick: raises 800 to 1200
TBALL1145: calls 800
*** RIVER *** [7c Jd 3c Kh] [9d]
TBALL1145: bets 510 and is all-in
Honest_Nick: calls 510
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TBALL1145: shows [Th Qh] (a straight, Nine to King)
Honest_Nick: shows [Kd Td] (a pair of Kings)
TBALL1145 collected 4720 from pot
Honest_Nick said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4720
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Date: 28 Nov 16:44:20
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: Stars rigged...?
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On Nov 28 2006 12:43 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> ...no. Just donkeys everwhere, and they get lucky...2 lovely hands for you lot
> to treasure.
>
> Hand 1: Do they really think that calling a raise like that at turn on a 2
> suited flop was getting good odds? But I see why some of you call it
> riverstars
> now.
Um, after your call on the flop, I'm not sure that you're in position to be
criticizing others' play. A raise is fine, but calling (unless you're planning
on bluffing the turn no matter what comes), is awful strange. Also, no, he's
not getting proper odds, but if I were him, 3 handed i'm not overly concerned
about the flush draws either.
>
> hand 2: With his stack, did he really think he was getting any FE? ...With
> the
> exception of AA, I was getting the odds to call a push, yet he pushed with
> K6...interesting play. But once again, riverstars earns its name.
I imagine you were raising a lot on the button, right? So it's very possible
that he thought K6 would be a favorite over your basically random hand. And
with his stack, he needed to double up soon.
>
> PokerStars Game #7207024092: Tournament #36843888, $70+$6 Hold'em No Limit -
> Level IV (50/100) - 2006/11/28 - 00:33:20 (ET)
> Table '36843888 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
> Seat 1: TBALL1145 (2310 in chips)
> Seat 2: kolobokk (4320 in chips)
> Seat 3: Honest_Nick (2370 in chips)
> TBALL1145: posts small blind 50
> kolobokk: posts big blind 100
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Honest_Nick [Kd Td]
> Honest_Nick: raises 200 to 300
> TBALL1145: calls 250
> kolobokk: folds
> *** FLOP *** [7c Jd 3c]
> TBALL1145: bets 300
> Honest_Nick: calls 300
> *** TURN *** [7c Jd 3c] [Kh]
> TBALL1145: bets 400
> Honest_Nick: raises 800 to 1200
> TBALL1145: calls 800
> *** RIVER *** [7c Jd 3c Kh] [9d]
> TBALL1145: bets 510 and is all-in
> Honest_Nick: calls 510
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> TBALL1145: shows [Th Qh] (a straight, Nine to King)
> Honest_Nick: shows [Kd Td] (a pair of Kings)
> TBALL1145 collected 4720 from pot
> Honest_Nick said, "lol"
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 4720
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Date: 28 Nov 21:00:38
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Stars rigged...?
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On Nov 28 2006 4:44 PM, steve1127 wrote:
>
>
>
> On Nov 28 2006 12:43 AM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> >
> > ...no. Just donkeys everwhere, and they get lucky...2 lovely hands for you
> > lot
> > to treasure.
> >
> > Hand 1: Do they really think that calling a raise like that at turn on a 2
> > suited flop was getting good odds? But I see why some of you call it
> > riverstars
> > now.
>
> Um, after your call on the flop, I'm not sure that you're in position to be
> criticizing others' play. A raise is fine, but calling (unless you're
> planning
> on bluffing the turn no matter what comes), is awful strange. Also, no, he's
> not getting proper odds, but if I were him, 3 handed i'm not overly concerned
> about the flush draws either.
Right, so you think anyone with a decent hand will always push on the flop? You
have never used position to trap or steal before? I had position, so why not
use it? If I missed the turn, and he came out with a strong bet, time to muck,
but if he had checked or bet out small, time to steal, no?
As it was, I hit the turn, and he still came out with a bet on his draw, so time
to push. He might not be overly concerned with the flush if he had any sort of
a hand, but what was he ahead of? He was behind even to a King or Ace high, so
the call was terrible.
> > hand 2: With his stack, did he really think he was getting any FE? ...With
> > the
> > exception of AA, I was getting the odds to call a push, yet he pushed with
> > K6...interesting play. But once again, riverstars earns its name.
>
> I imagine you were raising a lot on the button, right? So it's very possible
> that he thought K6 would be a favorite over your basically random hand. And
> with his stack, he needed to double up soon.
Why would you imagine that? All my raises that had been shown down had been
decent hands. Yes, he needed to double up or steal a few blinds soon, but the
time to do the stealing is when first to jam, to get the maximum FE. It
definitely isnt when its already been raised, and due to the size of his stack,
the other guy can call any reraise on your part, meaning you are getting zero
FE. You really want to go to war preflop on K6 off in a raised pot getting no
FE?
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