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Date: 28 Nov 15:13:03
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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I need a hand with this one. I don t think I was betting enough now that I look
back.
Only the 17th hand of the tournament. There are 40 players live at a bar paying
for a T-Shirt or Hat
Me 6500 Stupid Fish I have only played one other hand so far and all folded to
my 5x BB bet preflop. it was AA but I didn't show it.
Caller 1 6200 Good player, willing to bluff, has shown the table so after a huge
bet to buy the pot. Chases, he called a hand to the river chasing an inside
straight flush draw. Has played 12 of the 17 hands so far and 3 of the missed
was when he went to the washroom.
Caller 2 6800 Not played a hand yet. Figure for tight player
Blinds are 50/100
My Hand Ac Qd
Utg Fold
I raise to 500
Fold
Fold
Caller 1 Calls
Fold
Caller 2 in SB Calls
BB Fold
Pot 1600
Flop As Qh 7h
I bet 1000
Caller 1 Raises to 2500
Caller 2 Calls
I Call
Pot 9100
Turn 4s
I bet 2000
Caller 1 All in for 3200
Caller 2 debates for a couple minutes and calls
I push all in.
Caller 2 calls
We turn them up
Caller 1 Kh 9h
Caller 2 Jh 8h
Main Pot 18700
Side Pot 600
River 2h
I go home.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 09:05:35
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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On Nov 28 2006 8:13 AM, CHarrison100 wrote:
> I need a hand with this one. I don t think I was betting enough now that I
look
> back.
>
> Only the 17th hand of the tournament. There are 40 players live at a bar
paying
> for a T-Shirt or Hat
>
> Me 6500 Stupid Fish I have only played one other hand so far and all folded
to
> my 5x BB bet preflop. it was AA but I didn't show it.
>
> Caller 1 6200 Good player, willing to bluff, has shown the table so after a
huge
> bet to buy the pot. Chases, he called a hand to the river chasing an inside
> straight flush draw. Has played 12 of the 17 hands so far and 3 of the missed
> was when he went to the washroom.
>
> Caller 2 6800 Not played a hand yet. Figure for tight player
>
> Blinds are 50/100
>
> My Hand Ac Qd
>
> Utg Fold
> I raise to 500
Kind of a big raise for this hand out of position, but not awful.
> Fold
> Fold
> Caller 1 Calls
> Fold
> Caller 2 in SB Calls
> BB Fold
> Pot 1600
>
> Flop As Qh 7h
>
> I bet 1000
> Caller 1 Raises to 2500
> Caller 2 Calls
> I Call
This is just confusing. You have about half your chips in the pot
already, with what is almost certainly the best hand out at the moment.
The board is drawish. Why not just move in right here? I certainly think
that would be far superior to calling and letting two people draw against
you.
> Pot 9100
>
> Turn 4s
>
> I bet 2000
This bet is baffling. You only have (by my count) about 3500 left. Why
would you bet more than half your chips, when the amount of your bet isn't
enough to rob anyone with a reasonable draw of adequate odds to hit?
You're offering the first person 5.5 to 1 on their money. If you didn't
push on the flop, now is certainly not the time to get cute.
> Caller 1 All in for 3200
> Caller 2 debates for a couple minutes and calls
> I push all in.
> Caller 2 calls
> We turn them up
> Caller 1 Kh 9h
> Caller 2 Jh 8h
>
> Main Pot 18700
> Side Pot 600
>
> River 2h
>
> I go home.
Well, you might have got the same result anyway if you pushed the flop or
turn, but at least you could walk away knowing that you made your best
effort to play correctly.
~ MysteriAce
"Ashes and diamonds
Foe and friend
We were all equal in the end"
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 09:02:43
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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> Blinds are 50/100
>
> My Hand Ac Qd
>
> Utg Fold
> I raise to 500
> Fold
> Fold
> Caller 1 Calls
> Fold
> Caller 2 in SB Calls
> BB Fold
> Pot 1600
>
> Flop As Qh 7h
>
> I bet 1000
> Caller 1 Raises to 2500
> Caller 2 Calls
> I Call
Here's where you should push IMO. If either of them has a set, tough
break, but there's not enough chips in play to really find out.
Morphy
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 07:50:47
From:
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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Option 1: Bet the pot after the flop. This shows you have a ace and
hopefully push out any potential draws. But after reading your hand
summary, sounds like at least one of the 2 callers would have pushed
all-in anyway. Then you're left with a tough coin-flip decision. Either
your opponent hit trips or is on a draw.
Option 2: Check the flop and hope the other 2 callers check around
wanting to see a free card. When the heart doesn't land on the turn,
push all-in. This doesn't give them the correct pot odds to call and
try to draw their flush.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 23:05:28
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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On Nov 28 2006 4:13 PM, CHarrison100 wrote:
> Blinds are 50/100
>
> My Hand Ac Qd
>
> Utg Fold
> I raise to 500
> Fold
> Fold
> Caller 1 Calls
> Fold
> Caller 2 in SB Calls
> BB Fold
> Pot 1600
>
> Flop As Qh 7h
>
> I bet 1000
> Caller 1 Raises to 2500
> Caller 2 Calls
> I Call
>
> Pot 9100
>
> Turn 4s
>
> I bet 2000
> Caller 1 All in for 3200
> Caller 2 debates for a couple minutes and calls
> I push all in.
> Caller 2 calls
> We turn them up
> Caller 1 Kh 9h
> Caller 2 Jh 8h
>
> Main Pot 18700
> Side Pot 600
>
> River 2h
>
> I go home.
since you get your flush draw once in 3 times, and it's unlikely that the
push on flop, after you get raised, will make anyone fold.
obviously you should have open pushed the blank turn why would you bet
2000 into a 9100 pot to begin with ? you're giving 5.5-1 to the first
caller.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 22:29:03
From:
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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Considering the prize - t-shirt or hat - they probably played a lot
looser than normal.
I'm not sure that I'd be going all-in on a flush draw, especially not
having the nut flush (neither player having an Ah).
So - having said that - if I were you (a player who flopped top two
pair), I'd be happy to have all my chips in. With two hearts out,
however, I'd go all-in after the flop, hopefully pricing out the
possibility of any draw. At worst, you'd have to figure you'd be a coin
flip going to the turn. But a player can afford to be a maniac when
there's only a shirt (or hat) at stake.
CHarrison100 wrote:
> I need a hand with this one. I don t think I was betting enough now that I look
> back.
>
> Only the 17th hand of the tournament. There are 40 players live at a bar paying
> for a T-Shirt or Hat
>
> Me 6500 Stupid Fish I have only played one other hand so far and all folded to
> my 5x BB bet preflop. it was AA but I didn't show it.
>
> Caller 1 6200 Good player, willing to bluff, has shown the table so after a huge
> bet to buy the pot. Chases, he called a hand to the river chasing an inside
> straight flush draw. Has played 12 of the 17 hands so far and 3 of the missed
> was when he went to the washroom.
>
> Caller 2 6800 Not played a hand yet. Figure for tight player
>
> Blinds are 50/100
>
> My Hand Ac Qd
>
> Utg Fold
> I raise to 500
> Fold
> Fold
> Caller 1 Calls
> Fold
> Caller 2 in SB Calls
> BB Fold
> Pot 1600
>
> Flop As Qh 7h
>
> I bet 1000
> Caller 1 Raises to 2500
> Caller 2 Calls
> I Call
>
> Pot 9100
>
> Turn 4s
>
> I bet 2000
> Caller 1 All in for 3200
> Caller 2 debates for a couple minutes and calls
> I push all in.
> Caller 2 calls
> We turn them up
> Caller 1 Kh 9h
> Caller 2 Jh 8h
>
> Main Pot 18700
> Side Pot 600
>
> River 2h
>
> I go home.
>
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 15:29:25
From: WuzYoungOnceToo
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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On Nov 28, 9:13 am, CHarrison100 <43084...@recpoker.com > wrote:
>
> I need a hand with this one. I don t think I was betting enough now that I look
> back.
>
> Only the 17th hand of the tournament. There are 40 players live at a bar paying
> for a T-Shirt or Hat
>
> Me 6500 Stupid Fish I have only played one other hand so far and all folded to
> my 5x BB bet preflop. it was AA but I didn't show it.
>
> Caller 1 6200 Good player, willing to bluff, has shown the table so after a huge
> bet to buy the pot. Chases, he called a hand to the river chasing an inside
> straight flush draw. Has played 12 of the 17 hands so far and 3 of the missed
> was when he went to the washroom.
>
> Caller 2 6800 Not played a hand yet. Figure for tight player
>
> Blinds are 50/100
>
> My Hand Ac Qd
>
> Utg Fold
> I raise to 500
> Fold
> Fold
> Caller 1 Calls
> Fold
> Caller 2 in SB Calls
> BB Fold
> Pot 1600
>
> Flop As Qh 7h
>
> I bet 1000
> Caller 1 Raises to 2500
> Caller 2 Calls
> I Call
>
> Pot 9100
>
> Turn 4s
>
> I bet 2000
> Caller 1 All in for 3200
> Caller 2 debates for a couple minutes and calls
> I push all in.
> Caller 2 calls
> We turn them up
> Caller 1 Kh 9h
> Caller 2 Jh 8h
>
> Main Pot 18700
> Side Pot 600
>
> River 2h
>
> I go home.
Had there been a hooded sweatshirt at stake I'd say push on the flop
and end it. But for a T-shirt or hat you can afford to gamble a little.
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Date: 28 Nov 23:24:37
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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Always bet on a 3 count.
I read that in a book once.
I have no idea what it means.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 09:01:33
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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On Tue, 28 Nov 06 15:13:03 GMT, CHarrison100 <43084071@recpoker.com >
wrote:
>
>I need a hand with this one. I don t think I was betting enough now that I look
>back.
>
>Only the 17th hand of the tournament. There are 40 players live at a bar paying
>for a T-Shirt or Hat
>
>Me 6500 Stupid Fish I have only played one other hand so far and all folded to
>my 5x BB bet preflop. it was AA but I didn't show it.
>
>Caller 1 6200 Good player, willing to bluff, has shown the table so after a huge
>bet to buy the pot. Chases, he called a hand to the river chasing an inside
>straight flush draw. Has played 12 of the 17 hands so far and 3 of the missed
>was when he went to the washroom.
>
>Caller 2 6800 Not played a hand yet. Figure for tight player
>
>Blinds are 50/100
>
>My Hand Ac Qd
>
>Utg Fold
>I raise to 500
>Fold
>Fold
>Caller 1 Calls
>Fold
>Caller 2 in SB Calls
>BB Fold
>Pot 1600
>
>Flop As Qh 7h
>
>I bet 1000
>Caller 1 Raises to 2500
>Caller 2 Calls
>I
push.
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King of the wild pixels.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 08:25:47
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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dcostantiello@gmail.com wrote:
> Option 1: Bet the pot after the flop. This shows you have a ace and
> hopefully push out any potential draws. But after reading your hand
> summary, sounds like at least one of the 2 callers would have pushed
> all-in anyway. Then you're left with a tough coin-flip decision. Either
> your opponent hit trips or is on a draw.
>
> Option 2: Check the flop and hope the other 2 callers check around
> wanting to see a free card. When the heart doesn't land on the turn,
> push all-in. This doesn't give them the correct pot odds to call and
> try to draw their flush.
Option 2 is VERY good advise.
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Date: 29 Nov 13:35:12
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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Thanks everyone. It seems i was right and my betting was piss poor. I will have
to look at this element.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 00:57:35
From: Douglas Dunn
Subject: Re: Should I have bet harder? BAHH
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WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:
> On Nov 28, 9:13 am, CHarrison100 <43084...@recpoker.com> wrote:
> >
> > I need a hand with this one. I don t think I was betting enough now that I look
> > back.
> >
> > Only the 17th hand of the tournament. There are 40 players live at a bar paying
> > for a T-Shirt or Hat
> >
> > Me 6500 Stupid Fish I have only played one other hand so far and all folded to
> > my 5x BB bet preflop. it was AA but I didn't show it.
> >
> > Caller 1 6200 Good player, willing to bluff, has shown the table so after a huge
> > bet to buy the pot. Chases, he called a hand to the river chasing an inside
> > straight flush draw. Has played 12 of the 17 hands so far and 3 of the missed
> > was when he went to the washroom.
> >
> > Caller 2 6800 Not played a hand yet. Figure for tight player
> >
> > Blinds are 50/100
> >
> > My Hand Ac Qd
> >
> > Utg Fold
> > I raise to 500
> > Fold
> > Fold
> > Caller 1 Calls
> > Fold
> > Caller 2 in SB Calls
> > BB Fold
> > Pot 1600
> >
> > Flop As Qh 7h
> >
> > I bet 1000
> > Caller 1 Raises to 2500
> > Caller 2 Calls
> > I Call
> >
> > Pot 9100
> >
> > Turn 4s
> >
> > I bet 2000
> > Caller 1 All in for 3200
> > Caller 2 debates for a couple minutes and calls
> > I push all in.
> > Caller 2 calls
> > We turn them up
> > Caller 1 Kh 9h
> > Caller 2 Jh 8h
> >
> > Main Pot 18700
> > Side Pot 600
> >
> > River 2h
> >
> > I go home.
>
> Had there been a hooded sweatshirt at stake I'd say push on the flop
> and end it. But for a T-shirt or hat you can afford to gamble a little.
I agree completely :P
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