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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:20:35
From: Travel
Subject: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Finally, some fair play and sound legal decisions on the anti-smoking
persecutions against citizen using, and free enterprise accommodating a
legal product.
http://tinyurl.com/ybzz26
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 17:11:01
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> vastly overrated.
And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:49:19
From: bjgkaraoke@aol.com
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Porsche_Dan wrote:
> On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
> > Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> >
> > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > > vastly overrated.
> >
> > And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
> > their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
>
> Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke again.
> Word.
>
True. My Mother died from lung and heart failure due to emphasema.
The horrible part is that it took almost 2 years for her to slowly
suffocate to death. That was over 24 years ago. I quit smoking at
that time, or I would have most surely died years ago myself. Fear is
a great motivator.
Barbara Gallamore
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 21:43:37
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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4 months for me tomorrow, Barbara.
The other night, before my ex and Jeanne went to dinner and saw Deja Vu, I
met them at Arizona Charlie's. I played $4-$8 hold'em with Jeanne. I was
transported back into time (pardon the expression) when i noticed half the
table was smoking. I had thought there were no poker rooms left in Vegas
that allowed smoking.
On Dec 8 2006 8:49 PM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
> True. My Mother died from lung and heart failure due to emphasema.
> The horrible part is that it took almost 2 years for her to slowly
> suffocate to death. That was over 24 years ago. I quit smoking at
> that time, or I would have most surely died years ago myself. Fear is
> a great motivator.
>
> Barbara Gallamore
RazzO
email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 09:48:11
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
> Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > On Dec 8 2006 10:49 PM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > > > On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > > > > > vastly overrated.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
> > > > > their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
> > > >
> > > > Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke
> > > > again.
> > > > Word.
> > > >
> > >
> > > True. My Mother died from lung and heart failure due to emphasema.
> > > The horrible part is that it took almost 2 years for her to slowly
> > > suffocate to death. That was over 24 years ago. I quit smoking at
> > > that time, or I would have most surely died years ago myself. Fear is
> > > a great motivator.
> > >
> > > Barbara Gallamore
> >
> > My mother has lung cancer and is in a Hospice. It spread to her brain and just
> > about everywhere else. Radiation helped the brain tumors but chemo was out of
> > the question due to her age. So now I get to sit with her everday and watch her
> > die. The doctors gave her 3 months which brings us to her birthday, Christmas
> > eve. Mom smoked all her life and now she gets all the morphine can wants, such
> > a deal.
>
>
> My Mother died at Christmas also. In addition to her death, I had to
> deal with my Father's rage. It was a difficult time. It wasn't until
> the next year at Christmas that I was able to actually grieve. I cried
> for a week.
>
> God bless you and your Mother, Dan. You''ll need all your strength at
> this time.
>
> Love, Barbara
barbara,sorry to here your mother suffered so much,my dad never had
cancer,he smoked non-filter luckys from the age of 11 till a year
before his death at 76,he died as a result of a stroke,he knew his
arteries were clogged,he just didn't want to go to a doctor.
my dad knew cigarettes were bad for him,he just liked smoking,or so he
said,he said he could quit anytime he wanted,he didn't.nobody's fault
but his.my grandmother called cigarettes coffin nails back when my dad
was a kid in the early 1920's,they didn't need the surgeon general to
tell them cigarettes were bad,they already knew it.
i'm sure your mother knew cigarettes were bad for her but she kept on
smoking,was your dad angry at your mother?or at himself for not getting
her to quit sooner.i offered my dad a couple a hundred dollars back in
the 70's to quit when he was in his late fifties but he wouldn't,i'd
try and bet him he couldn't quit but i would only make him mad.
when people know something is bad for them and they continue to do it
they are ultimately committing suicide,i have a friend who smokes a
couple of packs a day and smokes pot everyday also,he is an alcoholic
but doesn't drink anymore but his whole existance revolves around pot,i
see him going downhill,his marriage is on the rocks because he doesn't
want to go anywhere with his wife he just wants to set at home and
smoke pot.
alcohol probably kills as many people as cigarettes,wonder how many die
each year as a result of drunk drivers or how many are killed in
domestic arguments as a result of drinking,maybe the should outlaw bars
as well.
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 08:47:23
From: bjgkaraoke@aol.com
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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FL Turbo wrote:
> On 9 Dec 2006 07:57:30 -0800, "bjgkaraoke@aol.com"
> <bjgkaraoke@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >> On Dec 8 2006 10:49 PM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >> > > On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> >> > > > > vastly overrated.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
> >> > > > their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
> >> > >
> >> > > Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke
> >> > > again.
> >> > > Word.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > True. My Mother died from lung and heart failure due to emphasema.
> >> > The horrible part is that it took almost 2 years for her to slowly
> >> > suffocate to death. That was over 24 years ago. I quit smoking at
> >> > that time, or I would have most surely died years ago myself. Fear is
> >> > a great motivator.
> >> >
> >> > Barbara Gallamore
> >>
> >> My mother has lung cancer and is in a Hospice. It spread to her brain and just
> >> about everywhere else. Radiation helped the brain tumors but chemo was out of
> >> the question due to her age. So now I get to sit with her everday and watch her
> >> die. The doctors gave her 3 months which brings us to her birthday, Christmas
> >> eve. Mom smoked all her life and now she gets all the morphine can wants, such
> >> a deal.
> >
> >
> >My Mother died at Christmas also. In addition to her death, I had to
> >deal with my Father's rage. It was a difficult time. It wasn't until
> >the next year at Christmas that I was able to actually grieve. I cried
> >for a week.
> >
> >God bless you and your Mother, Dan. You''ll need all your strength at
> >this time.
> >
> >Love, Barbara
>
> A doctor told me a long time ago.
>
> "The problem with lung cancer is that you will die."
> "The problem with emphysema is that you will live."
Actually, the problem is the suffering before they die. My Mother
slowly smothered to death over the course of more than 2 years as her
lung capacity slowly shrank. It was horrible for her, my Father, and
my Brother and myself to watch the woman we loved suffer in this way.
Also, the steroids and other medications she took to treat the
emphasema weakened her heart and imune system.
>
> Most smokers, though, are lucky.
> They just drop over dead some fine day.
Most smokers have bad health after years of smoking, including chronic
coughs, bronchitis,
weak hearts, bad teeth, etc. I doubt many just drop dead before
running up huge doctor and hospital bills.
>
> That is why the alleged medical costs from smoking are such BS.
My Mother was in and out of hospitals for the 2 years she suffered,
running up huge expenses.
>
> Consider the costs in a care facility from otherwise healthy people
> who linger on for 10 years or so before they succumb to the natural
> and inevitable results of old age.
People who are healthy rarely need to go to a care facility. They are
active, vibrant people who enjoy their life. I know several women in
my acqua aerobic class who are in their eighties and nineties who
drive, live on their own, and don't smoke. A gentleman named Russ who
plays at the local casinos is 94, drives, lives on his own, and plays a
smart poker game. Oh, and none of them smoke.
Barbara Gallamore
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 11:10:16
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On 9 Dec 2006 08:47:23 -0800, "bjgkaraoke@aol.com"
<bjgkaraoke@aol.com > wrote:
>
>>FL Turbo wrote:
>>
>> A doctor told me a long time ago.
>>
>> "The problem with lung cancer is that you will die."
>> "The problem with emphysema is that you will live."
>
>Actually, the problem is the suffering before they die. My Mother
>slowly smothered to death over the course of more than 2 years as her
>lung capacity slowly shrank. It was horrible for her, my Father, and
>my Brother and myself to watch the woman we loved suffer in this way.
>Also, the steroids and other medications she took to treat the
>emphasema weakened her heart and imune system.
>
True.
That was my point.
>>
>> Most smokers, though, are lucky.
>> They just drop over dead some fine day.
>
>Most smokers have bad health after years of smoking, including chronic
>coughs, bronchitis,
>weak hearts, bad teeth, etc. I doubt many just drop dead before
>running up huge doctor and hospital bills.
>>
>> That is why the alleged medical costs from smoking are such BS.
>
>My Mother was in and out of hospitals for the 2 years she suffered,
>running up huge expenses.
>
Actually, that is the case for most elderly people.
Most medical expense in the last years of someone's life come in the
final stages.
Smokers and non-smokers alike.
In the final months of most elderly people's lives, medical expenses
suck up every last penny that they have accummulated for their entire
lifetime.
Not to say that it isn't worthwhile to prolong life as long as
possible, but as a purely cold-blooded financial proposition that is
the truth.
>>
>> Consider the costs in a care facility from otherwise healthy people
>> who linger on for 10 years or so before they succumb to the natural
>> and inevitable results of old age.
>
>People who are healthy rarely need to go to a care facility. They are
>active, vibrant people who enjoy their life. I know several women in
>my acqua aerobic class who are in their eighties and nineties who
>drive, live on their own, and don't smoke. A gentleman named Russ who
>plays at the local casinos is 94, drives, lives on his own, and plays a
>smart poker game. Oh, and none of them smoke.
>
>Barbara Gallamore
Go to your local Care Facility and talk to the people there who are
not vibrant people.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 19:16:53
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 9 2006 5:47 PM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
> Most smokers have bad health after years of smoking, including chronic
> coughs, bronchitis,
> weak hearts, bad teeth, etc. I doubt many just drop dead before
> running up huge doctor and hospital bills.
in germany, where we have a good healthcare system, and a now decent
retirement system, we have this saying. smokers save in retirement what
they cost more in healthcare.
> Barbara Gallamore
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 08:22:53
From: Mr Bungle 34
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Sorry to hear about your Mom Dan. Hope everything goes as well as it
can in such circumstances.
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 07:57:30
From: bjgkaraoke@aol.com
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Porsche_Dan wrote:
> On Dec 8 2006 10:49 PM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > > On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > > > > vastly overrated.
> > > >
> > > > And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
> > > > their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
> > >
> > > Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke
> > > again.
> > > Word.
> > >
> >
> > True. My Mother died from lung and heart failure due to emphasema.
> > The horrible part is that it took almost 2 years for her to slowly
> > suffocate to death. That was over 24 years ago. I quit smoking at
> > that time, or I would have most surely died years ago myself. Fear is
> > a great motivator.
> >
> > Barbara Gallamore
>
> My mother has lung cancer and is in a Hospice. It spread to her brain and just
> about everywhere else. Radiation helped the brain tumors but chemo was out of
> the question due to her age. So now I get to sit with her everday and watch her
> die. The doctors gave her 3 months which brings us to her birthday, Christmas
> eve. Mom smoked all her life and now she gets all the morphine can wants, such
> a deal.
My Mother died at Christmas also. In addition to her death, I had to
deal with my Father's rage. It was a difficult time. It wasn't until
the next year at Christmas that I was able to actually grieve. I cried
for a week.
God bless you and your Mother, Dan. You''ll need all your strength at
this time.
Love, Barbara
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 10:16:01
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On 9 Dec 2006 07:57:30 -0800, "bjgkaraoke@aol.com"
<bjgkaraoke@aol.com > wrote:
>
>Porsche_Dan wrote:
>> On Dec 8 2006 10:49 PM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > Porsche_Dan wrote:
>> > > On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
>> > > > > vastly overrated.
>> > > >
>> > > > And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
>> > > > their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
>> > >
>> > > Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke
>> > > again.
>> > > Word.
>> > >
>> >
>> > True. My Mother died from lung and heart failure due to emphasema.
>> > The horrible part is that it took almost 2 years for her to slowly
>> > suffocate to death. That was over 24 years ago. I quit smoking at
>> > that time, or I would have most surely died years ago myself. Fear is
>> > a great motivator.
>> >
>> > Barbara Gallamore
>>
>> My mother has lung cancer and is in a Hospice. It spread to her brain and just
>> about everywhere else. Radiation helped the brain tumors but chemo was out of
>> the question due to her age. So now I get to sit with her everday and watch her
>> die. The doctors gave her 3 months which brings us to her birthday, Christmas
>> eve. Mom smoked all her life and now she gets all the morphine can wants, such
>> a deal.
>
>
>My Mother died at Christmas also. In addition to her death, I had to
>deal with my Father's rage. It was a difficult time. It wasn't until
>the next year at Christmas that I was able to actually grieve. I cried
>for a week.
>
>God bless you and your Mother, Dan. You''ll need all your strength at
>this time.
>
>Love, Barbara
A doctor told me a long time ago.
"The problem with lung cancer is that you will die."
"The problem with emphysema is that you will live."
Most smokers, though, are lucky.
They just drop over dead some fine day.
That is why the alleged medical costs from smoking are such BS.
Consider the costs in a care facility from otherwise healthy people
who linger on for 10 years or so before they succumb to the natural
and inevitable results of old age.
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 06:02:19
From: Jimbo
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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As a non smoker I love coming home and not smelling like an ashtray.
As an American that believes in freedom I find it extremely offensive
to force a business owner to disallow the use of a legal product in his
establishment.
Let the business owner decide what he wants to do and let the market
vote with their feet
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 06:52:55
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Jimbo wrote:
> As a non smoker I love coming home and not smelling like an ashtray.
>
> As an American that believes in freedom I find it extremely offensive
> to force a business owner to disallow the use of a legal product in his
> establishment.
>
> Let the business owner decide what he wants to do and let the market
> vote with their feet
>
Level Playing field. Businesses are often forced to support smoking,
because they cannot, or believe they cannot, not support smoking. There
is nobody to vote their feet with. (And people were, but nobody knew
until the ban went into affect, and the people came back, and they made
more money)
But under a level playing field of smoking not allowed, it has been
shown that business is not only not affected, but generally improved.
At least the experience of Washington, even though Indian casino's have
smoking, and more gambling experiences, the smoking ban has not sent
gamblers there. They go as far as outside, and most of them seem to be
just fine about it...
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Date: 09 Dec 16:51:37
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 9 2006 8:52 AM, johnny T wrote:
> Jimbo wrote:
> > As a non smoker I love coming home and not smelling like an ashtray.
> >
> > As an American that believes in freedom I find it extremely offensive
> > to force a business owner to disallow the use of a legal product in his
> > establishment.
> >
> > Let the business owner decide what he wants to do and let the market
> > vote with their feet
> >
>
> Level Playing field. Businesses are often forced to support smoking,
> because they cannot, or believe they cannot, not support smoking. There
> is nobody to vote their feet with. (And people were, but nobody knew
> until the ban went into affect, and the people came back, and they made
> more money)
>
> But under a level playing field of smoking not allowed, it has been
> shown that business is not only not affected, but generally improved.
>
> At least the experience of Washington, even though Indian casino's have
> smoking, and more gambling experiences, the smoking ban has not sent
> gamblers there. They go as far as outside, and most of them seem to be
> just fine about it...
Our local non-smoking ban went into effect last July, with alot of noise and
arguing with letters to the editor, pleas before City Council and call-ins to
talk radio. I'm a smoker, but I do enjoy watching a game in a smoke free bar
now (I always sit in non-smoking sections when I eat, even before the ban).
The problem the bar owners are seeing is business is booming for those with an
attached outdoor patio, where patrons can smoke and drink. The bars without a
patio have noticed that many patrons have stopped going because they didn't like
to have to go outside to smoke and not be able to take their drink with them,
and miss part of the game or band or whatever action they're watching. I've
noticed my consumption has decreased a little bit because if it's almost time
for me to leave and I want a cigarrette because I'd rather not smoke in my truck
I would usually order another beer and smoke, now I just leave and wait until I
get home. Many other smokers I know follow a similar pattern, so there's
already a decent decrease just from smokers that still patronize the joint.
Newly elected members to City Council are trying to get an amendment passed that
would exempt establishments that only cater to clientele 21 years and over to be
able to decide whether to allow smoking or not (which is some, but not all
bars). The arguement is no one should be subjecting kids to 2nd hand smoke, but
if adults want to go to an adults only bar they can choose to go to one that
allows smoking or one that doesn't. Thus, your Chili's, AppleBee's, and other
restaurants with a hopping bar crowd will still not be able to allow smoking,
but a locally owned beer joint that doesn't allow minors will, if the owner so
chooses.
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 09:27:39
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Chris in Texas wrote:
> The problem the bar owners are seeing is business is booming for those with an
> attached outdoor patio, where patrons can smoke and drink. The bars without a
> patio have noticed that many patrons have stopped going because they didn't like
> to have to go outside to smoke and not be able to take their drink with them,
> and miss part of the game or band or whatever action they're watching. I've
> noticed my consumption has decreased a little bit because if it's almost time
> for me to leave and I want a cigarrette because I'd rather not smoke in my truck
> I would usually order another beer and smoke, now I just leave and wait until I
> get home. Many other smokers I know follow a similar pattern, so there's
> already a decent decrease just from smokers that still patronize the joint.
>
You know, if this keeps people from having one more beer before getting
into their trunk, that seems like a goo...
You know, I agree, if I was in Texas, I probably shoot the guy who
wanted to keep me from smoking.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 17:04:39
From: RaiseandFold.com
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Casino Arizona at Talking Stick has a sign when you come into the poker
room area. It states NO TOBACCO IN THE POKER ROOM.
It's great to be able to see the poker room and the tables and not a
cloud of smoke and what appears to be dark clouds over the poker room
area.
Now down the way in the casino area you can smell the smoke plain as
day, but in the poker room area no such smell.
I personally can't stand going to a casino and play and have someone
sitting there and having a three alarm cigarette puffing away, I don't
care where they try to blow there smoke, straight up in the air, off to
the side, it still gets back to the table.
One time I asked someone if they could put their fire out, their reply
was, maybe you should go play at another table. Of course they were the
only one on the table polluting the game.
You want to smoke go for it, just don't do it around me.
The more places that go non smoking the better.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 03:37:49
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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RaiseandFold.com;1006893 Wrote:
> Casino Arizona at Talking Stick has a sign when you come into the poker
> room area. It states NO TOBACCO IN THE POKER ROOM.
>
> It's great to be able to see the poker room and the tables and not a
> cloud of smoke and what appears to be dark clouds over the poker room
> area.
>
> Now down the way in the casino area you can smell the smoke plain as
> day, but in the poker room area no such smell.
>
> I personally can't stand going to a casino and play and have someone
> sitting there and having a three alarm cigarette puffing away, I don't
> care where they try to blow there smoke, straight up in the air, off
> to
> the side, it still gets back to the table.
>
> One time I asked someone if they could put their fire out, their reply
> was, maybe you should go play at another table. Of course they were
> the
> only one on the table polluting the game.
>
> You want to smoke go for it, just don't do it around me.
>
> The more places that go non smoking the better.
Do you really think you have an argument.
Firefighters fighting forest fires wouldn't complain to the extent of
your hysterical and exaggerated delusions.
You're encouraged by a communist media, and indulged by like minded
ninnies who think they have a license to be rude.
People smoking are merely smoking. You, on the other hand, you're being
an asshole.
They should have signs: No One With A Stick Up Their Ass Allowed In The
Casino.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 00:22:04
From: Maverick
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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I'll tack this onto the already long list of reasons why I'll never
want to visit Texas.
johnny T wrote:
>
> You know, I agree, if I was in Texas, I probably shoot the guy who
> wanted to keep me from smoking.
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Date: 09 Dec 13:03:11
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 10:49 PM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
> Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> >
> > > Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > > > vastly overrated.
> > >
> > > And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
> > > their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
> >
> > Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke
> > again.
> > Word.
> >
>
> True. My Mother died from lung and heart failure due to emphasema.
> The horrible part is that it took almost 2 years for her to slowly
> suffocate to death. That was over 24 years ago. I quit smoking at
> that time, or I would have most surely died years ago myself. Fear is
> a great motivator.
>
> Barbara Gallamore
My mother has lung cancer and is in a Hospice. It spread to her brain and just
about everywhere else. Radiation helped the brain tumors but chemo was out of
the question due to her age. So now I get to sit with her everday and watch her
die. The doctors gave her 3 months which brings us to her birthday, Christmas
eve. Mom smoked all her life and now she gets all the morphine can wants, such
a deal.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 19:42:17
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Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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I lived in California when they banned smoking indoors at bars and
restaurants. There was a tremendous outcry, at least the news claimed
there was, from bar and restaurant owners. They said that the smokers
spent more money, drank more, and tipped more. They said they would go
belly up from all the money they lost when the smokers stopped going
out. They said it would be the end of the world. This was years ago,
now everyone just smokes outside and it's no big deal. The business
rebounded more than ever and no restaurants or bars went out of
business. Turns out that non-smokers were avoiding going out because
they didn't like the smoke. Now everyone goes out and the smokers
smoke outside and it's no big deal.
In Washington they recently passed very similar legislation by voter
initiative. It was accompanied by exactly the same whining from bar
and restaurant owners, broadcast on the news just like in California.
They said the same things, about how business was gonna be so hurt they
were going to go under. Now it's months later, business has improved
because more non-smokers are going out, and if you want to smoke you
take it outside, no big deal.
Business ultimately was helped. Customers were ultimately helped.
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
>
> > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > vastly overrated.
>
> And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
> their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke again.
Word.
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 8:51 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
> > Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> >
> > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > > vastly overrated.
> >
> > And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
> > their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
>
> Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke
> again.
> Word.
My grandaddy had a lung removed.
My daddy died of a combination of lung cancer and skin cancer. He had to carry
around oxygen tanks because of the skin cancer.
One of the reasons he stopped his treatments and went home to die was he
couldn't keep smoking in the hospital. Momma wouldn't let him smoke in the
house but he was able to get up the strength to go outside a few times a day
until the day he died.
I promise you -- some people are just too stupid to ever stop.
>
>
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 03:02:18
From: ekdikeo
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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So, I guess, how do you all feel about a ban like in Ohio?
Ohio's new ban makes it illegal for any business that is open to the
public to allow smoking.
How about the one in some city in Texas, where the only places it will
be legal to smoke are within your car, and within your house, and only
then if you own the house, and it's not attached to someone else's
house?
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 12:13:27
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Anti-smoking bans should be enacted in every state - immediately. It's a
damn disgrace that it took as long as it has to start getting this
legislation in place.
Smokers are addicts who choose to suck cancer causing toxins in to their own
lungs. That's OK with me. They have the right to kill themselves. But
they sure as hell do not have the right to kill and injure other people in
the process.
Irish Mike
"ekdikeo" <blade.eric@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165662138.239024.302940@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> So, I guess, how do you all feel about a ban like in Ohio?
>
> Ohio's new ban makes it illegal for any business that is open to the
> public to allow smoking.
>
> How about the one in some city in Texas, where the only places it will
> be legal to smoke are within your car, and within your house, and only
> then if you own the house, and it's not attached to someone else's
> house?
>
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 03:45:25
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Irish Mike;1006232 Wrote:
> Anti-smoking bans should be enacted in every state - immediately. It's
> a
> damn disgrace that it took as long as it has to start getting this
> legislation in place.
Maybe this case in Nevada will be the beginning of a Supreme court
challenge regarding equal rights/proprty rights of private business and
they'll throw out all this inconstitutional scorched earth banning
bullshit.
Restaurants and bars will be able to make their own decisions on
smoking.
Then you're back where you started. Won't that be a bitch.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 03:47:05
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Make that, unconstitutional...and put an "r" in property etc.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 17:15:12
From: 6ball
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Travel wrote:
> Irish Mick;1006232 Wrote:
> > Anti-smoking bans should be enacted in every state - immediately. It's
> > a
> > damn disgrace that it took as long as it has to start getting this
> > legislation in place.
>
> Maybe this case in Nevada will be the beginning of a Supreme court
> challenge regarding equal rights/proprty rights of private business and
> they'll throw out all this inconstitutional scorched earth banning
> bullshit.
>
> Restaurants and bars will be able to make their own decisions on
> smoking.
>
> Then you're back where you started. Won't that be a bitch.
>
Truly. When all the restaurant, bar and casino operators could do whatever
they chose, I had nowhere to go out to. There was even smoking allowed on the
floor of a production facility I put some time into between semesters. When
there was a choice for them, there was no choice for me. When owners could
choose to be non-smoking on their own, they ALL chose smoking. Why? Dunno and
it really doesn't matter. I am sure it was some thinking along the lines,
"even though I KNOW 70% or more of all adults do not smoke, I cannot risk
losing all those smokers' business. What if they quit coming out and the
nonsmokers stay home too? Then I am completely efffffed!" Seriously. When
smoking was allowed everywhere, why were no businesses non-smoking? More
people don't smoke than do smoke. Do smokers spend more? Go out more?
It saved me tons of cash, staying home and veging on the tube, or going to the
gym (no smoking at the gym - imagine!! How dare they?).
OTOH - we NEED as many folks smoking as we can get (just not where I happen to
be at the time). Smokers tend to die younger, right? As long as they live long
enough to put money into Social Security that they will never get out. If we
cannot get them to start or continue smoking, we should find a way to fatten
'em up. That kills people younger, too, I have heard. Maybe we could find a
way to kill off some of the population through some sexually transmitted
diseases or something....Hey I know! BIRD FLU!!
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 03:12:29
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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6ball;1006708 Wrote:
> Seriously. When
> smoking was allowed everywhere, why were no businesses non-smoking?
> More
> people don't smoke than do smoke. Do smokers spend more? Go out more?
>
Bingo!
Yes, smokers go out more, spend more, tip more and gamble more.
I think it was Carnivale cruise lines that tried a no smoking ship at
one point. It was a complete financial disaster. From what I heard,
they changed the ship back to smoking and kept their other ships
smoking also.
The two big lies: secondhand smoke is harmful, and smoking bans don't
hurt businesses.
Also, the percentage of non smokers in the country seems to increase
with each and every anti smoking nazi commentary. I'll give it a year
untill they're claiming that only 5% of the population smoke.
These are also the two enablers of the Anti-Smoking Reich.
They needed to fabricate these two historic red herrings to persevere
in their attack on the constitution, American business, private
property rights, and their favorite pastime: people control.
The Vegas case has to do with the consitutional right of due process
specifically, and property rights issues, generally. The case has the
unique experience of not being heard by an activist liberal (and aren't
they all) judge.
This is where the "discussion" of the government's anti-smoking
persecutions is best served. This is about consitutional restraints on
the government.
This is where whiners like Irishmike, Gary Carson, and Orange UFO using
anti-smoking as psychological hostility transference means jackshit.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 03:16:31
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Also, back to the original question, smokers drink more. Humm, now why
would a bar owners and casinos like smokers? I think I mentioned tip
more.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 12:32:39
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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I am a smoker, but would rather eat in a non smoking restaurant. I would
rather play in a non-smoking casino. 2 years ago, I went to my parent's
house for 2 months to help them pack up and move, and quit cold turkey.
This lasted for 8 months. Then I started playing poker in home games that
had a lot of smokers. I'd much rather be a non-smoker. It is very hard
for me to stop. I have been hypnotized 3 times without effect. I can not
take the nocorette stuff or other stop smoking products because, combined
with my other medications, they raise my blood pressure to high and make
me feel very ill. There is a new perscription medication on the market,
and I am waiting for my next doctor's appointment to see if I can take it.
For me, it's a blessing to go to a place I can't smoke. It saves me a
few extra cigarettes and buys me a few extra minutes.
On Dec 10 2006 12:15 PM, 6ball wrote:
> Travel wrote:
>
> > Irish Mick;1006232 Wrote:
> > > Anti-smoking bans should be enacted in every state - immediately. It's
> > > a
> > > damn disgrace that it took as long as it has to start getting this
> > > legislation in place.
> >
> > Maybe this case in Nevada will be the beginning of a Supreme court
> > challenge regarding equal rights/proprty rights of private business and
> > they'll throw out all this inconstitutional scorched earth banning
> > bullshit.
> >
> > Restaurants and bars will be able to make their own decisions on
> > smoking.
> >
> > Then you're back where you started. Won't that be a bitch.
> >
>
> Truly. When all the restaurant, bar and casino operators could do whatever
> they chose, I had nowhere to go out to. There was even smoking allowed on the
> floor of a production facility I put some time into between semesters. When
> there was a choice for them, there was no choice for me. When owners could
> choose to be non-smoking on their own, they ALL chose smoking. Why? Dunno
and
> it really doesn't matter. I am sure it was some thinking along the lines,
> "even though I KNOW 70% or more of all adults do not smoke, I cannot risk
> losing all those smokers' business. What if they quit coming out and the
> nonsmokers stay home too? Then I am completely efffffed!" Seriously. When
> smoking was allowed everywhere, why were no businesses non-smoking? More
> people don't smoke than do smoke. Do smokers spend more? Go out more?
>
> It saved me tons of cash, staying home and veging on the tube, or going to
the
> gym (no smoking at the gym - imagine!! How dare they?).
>
> OTOH - we NEED as many folks smoking as we can get (just not where I happen
to
> be at the time). Smokers tend to die younger, right? As long as they live
long
> enough to put money into Social Security that they will never get out. If we
> cannot get them to start or continue smoking, we should find a way to fatten
> 'em up. That kills people younger, too, I have heard. Maybe we could find a
> way to kill off some of the population through some sexually transmitted
> diseases or something....Hey I know! BIRD FLU!!
> --
> Luck can't last a lifetime unless you die young.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 23:14:09
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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"It is very hard for me to stop."
How can this be true lass? I saw the presidents of the four largest tobacco
companies stand up in court and swear under oath that nicotine was not
addictive.
Irish Mike
"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:7g7u44x3dr.ln2@recgroups.com...
>I am a smoker, but would rather eat in a non smoking restaurant. I would
> rather play in a non-smoking casino. 2 years ago, I went to my parent's
> house for 2 months to help them pack up and move, and quit cold turkey.
> This lasted for 8 months. Then I started playing poker in home games that
> had a lot of smokers. I'd much rather be a non-smoker. It is very hard
> for me to stop. I have been hypnotized 3 times without effect. I can not
> take the nocorette stuff or other stop smoking products because, combined
> with my other medications, they raise my blood pressure to high and make
> me feel very ill. There is a new perscription medication on the market,
> and I am waiting for my next doctor's appointment to see if I can take it.
> For me, it's a blessing to go to a place I can't smoke. It saves me a
> few extra cigarettes and buys me a few extra minutes.
>
> On Dec 10 2006 12:15 PM, 6ball wrote:
>
>> Travel wrote:
>>
>> > Irish Mick;1006232 Wrote:
>> > > Anti-smoking bans should be enacted in every state - immediately.
>> > > It's
>> > > a
>> > > damn disgrace that it took as long as it has to start getting this
>> > > legislation in place.
>> >
>> > Maybe this case in Nevada will be the beginning of a Supreme court
>> > challenge regarding equal rights/proprty rights of private business and
>> > they'll throw out all this inconstitutional scorched earth banning
>> > bullshit.
>> >
>> > Restaurants and bars will be able to make their own decisions on
>> > smoking.
>> >
>> > Then you're back where you started. Won't that be a bitch.
>> >
>>
>> Truly. When all the restaurant, bar and casino operators could do
>> whatever
>> they chose, I had nowhere to go out to. There was even smoking allowed on
>> the
>> floor of a production facility I put some time into between semesters.
>> When
>> there was a choice for them, there was no choice for me. When owners
>> could
>> choose to be non-smoking on their own, they ALL chose smoking. Why?
>> Dunno
> and
>> it really doesn't matter. I am sure it was some thinking along the lines,
>> "even though I KNOW 70% or more of all adults do not smoke, I cannot risk
>> losing all those smokers' business. What if they quit coming out and the
>> nonsmokers stay home too? Then I am completely efffffed!" Seriously. When
>> smoking was allowed everywhere, why were no businesses non-smoking? More
>> people don't smoke than do smoke. Do smokers spend more? Go out more?
>>
>> It saved me tons of cash, staying home and veging on the tube, or going
>> to
> the
>> gym (no smoking at the gym - imagine!! How dare they?).
>>
>> OTOH - we NEED as many folks smoking as we can get (just not where I
>> happen
> to
>> be at the time). Smokers tend to die younger, right? As long as they live
> long
>> enough to put money into Social Security that they will never get out.
>> If we
>> cannot get them to start or continue smoking, we should find a way to
>> fatten
>> 'em up. That kills people younger, too, I have heard. Maybe we could find
>> a
>> way to kill off some of the population through some sexually transmitted
>> diseases or something....Hey I know! BIRD FLU!!
>> --
>> Luck can't last a lifetime unless you die young.
>
>
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 15:40:27
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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What's the new medicine? Zyban made me very "anxious".
"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:7g7u44x3dr.ln2@recgroups.com...
> There is a new perscription medication on the market,
> and I am waiting for my next doctor's appointment to see if I can take it.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 16:21:37
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Chantix
http://www.chantix.com/content/Chantix_Branded_Homepage.jsp?setShowOn=../content/Chantix_Branded_Homepage.jsp&setShowHighlightOn=../content/Chantix_Branded_Homepage.jsp
sorry, I can't remember how to make the link smaller...probably easier to
google it
On Dec 10 2006 4:40 PM, Susan wrote:
> What's the new medicine? Zyban made me very "anxious".
>
>
> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:7g7u44x3dr.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > There is a new perscription medication on the market,
> > and I am waiting for my next doctor's appointment to see if I can take it.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 18:55:11
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 9 2006 3:51 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> On Dec 8 2006 7:11 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
> > Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> >
> > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > > vastly overrated.
> >
> > And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share in
> > their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
>
> Watch someone you love slowly die of lung cancer and you will never smoke
again.
> Word.
my wife's mother drank herself to death. my wife's grandmother died from
enphysema (spelling ??). and i still couldn't get her to stop drinking or
smoking .... (and here's the kicker, she wouldn't even stop smoking if she
got pregnant).
so yeah, still waiting on the damn divorce....
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 01:48:26
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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OrangeSFO;1006078 Wrote:
> Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
>
> > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke
> are
> > vastly overrated.
>
>
> And I think the "right" of smokers to force all around them to share
> in
> their self-poisoning is vastly overrated
And I think that anti-smoking Nazis' thinking that they can bullshit
everyone into believing that poision is even involved, at all, is
overrated.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 14:25:17
From: Mr Bungle 34
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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> No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
> dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
>
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical. You
might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
take it outside....
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 07:03:34
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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"I think the dangers of second hand smoke are vastly overrated."
Of course you do. That's why you intentionally suck cancer causing toxins
into your own lungs. If a person is stupid enough to give themselves lung
cancer you can't expect them to give a shit about damaging some one else's
health.
Irish Mike
"Mr Bungle 34" <michael_grove34@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165616717.041126.273300@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
>> No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
>> dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
>>
>>
>> --
>> JK Sinrod
>
>
>
> Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical. You
> might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
> mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
> hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
> things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
> control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
> clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
> take it outside....
>
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 00:02:57
From: I_AM_EVIL
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 9 2006 2:03 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> "I think the dangers of second hand smoke are vastly overrated."
>
> Of course you do. That's why you intentionally suck cancer causing toxins
> into your own lungs. If a person is stupid enough to give themselves lung
> cancer you can't expect them to give a shit about damaging some one else's
> health.
>
> Irish Mike
>
> "Mr Bungle 34" <michael_grove34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165616717.041126.273300@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
> >> dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> JK Sinrod
> >
> >
> >
> > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical. You
> > might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
> > mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
> > hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
> > things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
> > control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
> > clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
> > take it outside....
> >
Show us the PROOF that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer. Also, just
because someone smokes doesn't mean they will get lung cancer.
One of the complaints for non smokers is that they don't like the
smell. Well, I can't stand being out in public and smelling some god
awful perfume or cologne that someone has on. So, next, let's start
banning perfume and cologne. Lets not stop there. Start banning people
for the detergent they wash their clothes in. Some of that stinks too.
Let's keep going. Some types of shampoo stink also. Ban people who wash
their hair. Hell, lets ban everyone just because their natural body odor
stinks. Where will it end?
You say that you should have the right to breathe clean air. I say
that I should have the right to smoke. IMO instead of banning smoking the
Gov should pass laws that makes a business put up signs that say whether
smoking is allowed or not. It should be the business owners choice if
he/she wants to allow smoking or not. If you see a sign that says smoking
is allowed and don't want to be exposed to it then don't go in. If I see
a sign that says smoking is banned and I want to smoke then I won't go in.
Problem solved.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 19:23:40
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 9 2006 9:02 AM, I_AM_EVIL wrote:
> Show us the PROOF that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer. Also, just
> because someone smokes doesn't mean they will get lung cancer.
oh yes please, testing on humans, what a smart thing to do.
it won't be proven since you can't really.... sit down a human being in a
room full of cigarette smoke for .... say.... 50 years.
it is proven that a lot of the stuff in cigarette smoke causes cancer. and
for those who haven't gathered that much ..... there's smoke RISING FROM A
CIGARETTE.... damn smoker gets the stuff thru a filter, everyone else gets
it unfiltered. so obviously it can't be causing cancer, moron.
> One of the complaints for non smokers is that they don't like the
> smell. Well, I can't stand being out in public and smelling some god
> awful perfume or cologne that someone has on. So, next, let's start
> banning perfume and cologne. Lets not stop there. Start banning people
> for the detergent they wash their clothes in. Some of that stinks too.
> Let's keep going. Some types of shampoo stink also. Ban people who wash
> their hair. Hell, lets ban everyone just because their natural body odor
> stinks. Where will it end?
you got a point. let's let everyone light stuff on fire everywhere they
go. or just make piles in the middle of a room where everyone can throw
their trash and light it on fire....
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:50:20
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 2:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
> > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
> >
> >
> > --
> > JK Sinrod
>
>
>
> Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical. You
> might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
> mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
> hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
> things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
> control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
> clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
> take it outside....
Ok, so, assume second hand smoke isn't dangerous. I still don't want to
breathe your fucking smoke. Go outside.
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 07:30:53
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Although I am strongly anti-smoking, I don't want to appear unsympathetic to
the plight of smokers in the face of this wave of anti-smoking regulation.
Therefore, I propose that folding chairs be set up in the middle of every
busy freeway in America and designated as smoking areas. I don't mind if
you smoke - as long as you never exhale.
Irish Mike
"Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster" <ae2dad2@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Dec 8 2006 2:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
>
>> > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
>> > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > JK Sinrod
>>
>>
>>
>> Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
>> vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical. You
>> might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
>> mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
>> hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
>> things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
>> control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
>> clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
>> take it outside....
>
> Ok, so, assume second hand smoke isn't dangerous. I still don't want to
> breathe your fucking smoke. Go outside.
>
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:27:47
From: Ron Dworkin
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Aboo wrote:
> On Dec 8 2006 4:38 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
>
> > On Dec 8 2006 4:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> >
> > > > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
> > > > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > JK Sinrod
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > > vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical.
> >
> > Even thinking about some asshole blowing smoke in my face is not easy or
> > practical either.
> >
> > It would be easy and practical to use your ass for an ashtray though.
> >
> > You
> > > might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
> > > mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
> > > hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
> > > things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
> > > control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
> > > clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
> > > take it outside....
> >
> > I want your type to die.
> >
> > You should all be sent to gitmo for interregation.
> >
> >
> > Gary Carson
> > http://www.garycarson.com
>
> Making it against the law for a business owner to not allow smoking in
> his/her own establishment is utterly stupid. It's even worse in Nevada,
> where the Casino's can allow smoking yet normal bars and restaurants
> cannot. The fact is, if it were up to the owners of these businesses they
> would do whatever gains them more business. As they have been doing since
> the cigarrette was invented. That means they're going to keep allowing it
> in their businesses.
>
> I live on a state border and they recently passed a smoking ban for
> bars/pool halls/resteraunts on one side of the state line that goes into
> effect sometime next spring I believe. It's estimated that 60% of the
> small business operators in that market will go belly up. And that's
> probably a conservative estimate.
>
> Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
> example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
> thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
> close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> choice.
It gets pretty cold in Toronto, and the bars and restaurants are doing
just fine.
>
> The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
> social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
> voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses life
> just as miserable as theirs. :(
>
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 07:25:36
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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I'm glad to see that Gary Carson is pro-smoking and doesn't give a shit
about the damage second hand some does to other people's health. I've never
liked that bastard and this just confirms my good judgment.
Irish Mike
"Ron Dworkin" <toddbryson@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> Aboo wrote:
>> On Dec 8 2006 4:38 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 8 2006 4:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
>> >
>> > > > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
>> > > > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > JK Sinrod
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke
>> > > are
>> > > vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical.
>> >
>> > Even thinking about some asshole blowing smoke in my face is not easy
>> > or
>> > practical either.
>> >
>> > It would be easy and practical to use your ass for an ashtray though.
>> >
>> > You
>> > > might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
>> > > mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold
>> > > as
>> > > hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
>> > > things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
>> > > control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
>> > > clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types'
>> > > to
>> > > take it outside....
>> >
>> > I want your type to die.
>> >
>> > You should all be sent to gitmo for interregation.
>> >
>> >
>> > Gary Carson
>> > http://www.garycarson.com
>>
>> Making it against the law for a business owner to not allow smoking in
>> his/her own establishment is utterly stupid. It's even worse in Nevada,
>> where the Casino's can allow smoking yet normal bars and restaurants
>> cannot. The fact is, if it were up to the owners of these businesses
>> they
>> would do whatever gains them more business. As they have been doing
>> since
>> the cigarrette was invented. That means they're going to keep allowing
>> it
>> in their businesses.
>>
>> I live on a state border and they recently passed a smoking ban for
>> bars/pool halls/resteraunts on one side of the state line that goes into
>> effect sometime next spring I believe. It's estimated that 60% of the
>> small business operators in that market will go belly up. And that's
>> probably a conservative estimate.
>>
>> Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
>> example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
>> thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
>> in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So
>> they
>> close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
>> choice.
>
> It gets pretty cold in Toronto, and the bars and restaurants are doing
> just fine.
>
>>
>> The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
>> social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
>> voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses
>> life
>> just as miserable as theirs. :(
>>
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 9 2006 1:25 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> I'm glad to see that Gary Carson is pro-smoking and doesn't give a shit
> about the damage second hand some does to other people's health. I've never
> liked that bastard and this just confirms my good judgment.
And your reading comprehension skills and analytic abilities. You're just right
on top of things, Mick.
Why don't you give some money to the IRA so they can hide some more priests who
like to fuck little boys?
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 12:11:34
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Uh, from my reading of his posts, Gary is decidedly anti smoking.
On Dec 9 2006 2:25 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> I'm glad to see that Gary Carson is pro-smoking and doesn't give a shit
> about the damage second hand some does to other people's health. I've never
> liked that bastard and this just confirms my good judgment.
>
> Irish Mike
> "Ron Dworkin" <toddbryson@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165638467.190273.53770@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Aboo wrote:
> >> On Dec 8 2006 4:38 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Dec 8 2006 4:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
> >> > > > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > JK Sinrod
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke
> >> > > are
> >> > > vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical.
> >> >
> >> > Even thinking about some asshole blowing smoke in my face is not easy
> >> > or
> >> > practical either.
> >> >
> >> > It would be easy and practical to use your ass for an ashtray though.
> >> >
> >> > You
> >> > > might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
> >> > > mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold
> >> > > as
> >> > > hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
> >> > > things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
> >> > > control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
> >> > > clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types'
> >> > > to
> >> > > take it outside....
> >> >
> >> > I want your type to die.
> >> >
> >> > You should all be sent to gitmo for interregation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gary Carson
> >> > http://www.garycarson.com
> >>
> >> Making it against the law for a business owner to not allow smoking in
> >> his/her own establishment is utterly stupid. It's even worse in Nevada,
> >> where the Casino's can allow smoking yet normal bars and restaurants
> >> cannot. The fact is, if it were up to the owners of these businesses
> >> they
> >> would do whatever gains them more business. As they have been doing
> >> since
> >> the cigarrette was invented. That means they're going to keep allowing
> >> it
> >> in their businesses.
> >>
> >> I live on a state border and they recently passed a smoking ban for
> >> bars/pool halls/resteraunts on one side of the state line that goes into
> >> effect sometime next spring I believe. It's estimated that 60% of the
> >> small business operators in that market will go belly up. And that's
> >> probably a conservative estimate.
> >>
> >> Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
> >> example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
> >> thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> >> in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So
> >> they
> >> close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> >> choice.
> >
> > It gets pretty cold in Toronto, and the bars and restaurants are doing
> > just fine.
> >
> >>
> >> The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
> >> social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
> >> voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses
> >> life
> >> just as miserable as theirs. :(
> >>
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 19:53:05
From: MarlaSinger
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Uh, from my reading of his posts, Irish Mike is retarded.
On Dec 10 2006 4:11 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> Uh, from my reading of his posts, Gary is decidedly anti smoking.
>
> On Dec 9 2006 2:25 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > I'm glad to see that Gary Carson is pro-smoking and doesn't give a shit
> > about the damage second hand some does to other people's health. I've
never
> > liked that bastard and this just confirms my good judgment.
> >
> > Irish Mike
> > "Ron Dworkin" <toddbryson@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165638467.190273.53770@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Aboo wrote:
> > >> On Dec 8 2006 4:38 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Dec 8 2006 4:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget
the
> > >> > > > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > > JK Sinrod
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke
> > >> > > are
> > >> > > vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical.
> > >> >
> > >> > Even thinking about some asshole blowing smoke in my face is not easy
> > >> > or
> > >> > practical either.
> > >> >
> > >> > It would be easy and practical to use your ass for an ashtray though.
> > >> >
> > >> > You
> > >> > > might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
> > >> > > mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or
cold
> > >> > > as
> > >> > > hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
> > >> > > things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
> > >> > > control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
> > >> > > clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types'
> > >> > > to
> > >> > > take it outside....
> > >> >
> > >> > I want your type to die.
> > >> >
> > >> > You should all be sent to gitmo for interregation.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Gary Carson
> > >> > http://www.garycarson.com
> > >>
> > >> Making it against the law for a business owner to not allow smoking in
> > >> his/her own establishment is utterly stupid. It's even worse in Nevada,
> > >> where the Casino's can allow smoking yet normal bars and restaurants
> > >> cannot. The fact is, if it were up to the owners of these businesses
> > >> they
> > >> would do whatever gains them more business. As they have been doing
> > >> since
> > >> the cigarrette was invented. That means they're going to keep allowing
> > >> it
> > >> in their businesses.
> > >>
> > >> I live on a state border and they recently passed a smoking ban for
> > >> bars/pool halls/resteraunts on one side of the state line that goes into
> > >> effect sometime next spring I believe. It's estimated that 60% of the
> > >> small business operators in that market will go belly up. And that's
> > >> probably a conservative estimate.
> > >>
> > >> Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a
"shining
> > >> example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
> > >> thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> > >> in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So
> > >> they
> > >> close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> > >> choice.
> > >
> > > It gets pretty cold in Toronto, and the bars and restaurants are doing
> > > just fine.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
> > >> social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
> > >> voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses
> > >> life
> > >> just as miserable as theirs. :(
> > >>
>
>
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Date: 08 Dec 22:38:44
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 4:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
> > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
> > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
> >
> >
> > --
> > JK Sinrod
>
>
>
> Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical.
Even thinking about some asshole blowing smoke in my face is not easy or
practical either.
It would be easy and practical to use your ass for an ashtray though.
You
> might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
> mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
> hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
> things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
> control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
> clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
> take it outside....
I want your type to die.
You should all be sent to gitmo for interregation.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 15:54:42
From: Aboo
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 4:38 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
> On Dec 8 2006 4:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
>
> > > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
> > > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > JK Sinrod
> >
> >
> >
> > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
> > vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical.
>
> Even thinking about some asshole blowing smoke in my face is not easy or
> practical either.
>
> It would be easy and practical to use your ass for an ashtray though.
>
> You
> > might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
> > mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
> > hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
> > things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
> > control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
> > clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
> > take it outside....
>
> I want your type to die.
>
> You should all be sent to gitmo for interregation.
>
>
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com
Making it against the law for a business owner to not allow smoking in
his/her own establishment is utterly stupid. It's even worse in Nevada,
where the Casino's can allow smoking yet normal bars and restaurants
cannot. The fact is, if it were up to the owners of these businesses they
would do whatever gains them more business. As they have been doing since
the cigarrette was invented. That means they're going to keep allowing it
in their businesses.
I live on a state border and they recently passed a smoking ban for
bars/pool halls/resteraunts on one side of the state line that goes into
effect sometime next spring I believe. It's estimated that 60% of the
small business operators in that market will go belly up. And that's
probably a conservative estimate.
Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
choice.
The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses life
just as miserable as theirs. :(
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 07:07:56
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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"It's estimated that 60% of the
small business operators in that market will go belly up. And that's
probably a conservative estimate."
On a brighter note, every state in the country will wise up and pass similar
anti-smoking laws within the next few years.
Irish Mike
"Aboo" <jhemphill@ndbh.com > wrote in message
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> On Dec 8 2006 4:38 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
>
>> On Dec 8 2006 4:25 PM, Mr Bungle 34 wrote:
>>
>> > > No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
>> > > dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > JK Sinrod
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ehh, I hate this attitude. I think the dangers of second hand smoke are
>> > vastly overrated. Going outside isn't always easy or practical.
>>
>> Even thinking about some asshole blowing smoke in my face is not easy or
>> practical either.
>>
>> It would be easy and practical to use your ass for an ashtray though.
>>
>> You
>> > might be at a concert and have to miss some of the show, not too
>> > mention in many parts of he country it is often hot as balls or cold as
>> > hell outside. As for smoke bothering people, I could list a million
>> > things that are more annoying. Just for example, parents who can't
>> > control their screaming brat kid, obese people in tight slut gear
>> > clothing, people who are just plain rude, etc. I want "these types' to
>> > take it outside....
>>
>> I want your type to die.
>>
>> You should all be sent to gitmo for interregation.
>>
>>
>> Gary Carson
>> http://www.garycarson.com
>
> Making it against the law for a business owner to not allow smoking in
> his/her own establishment is utterly stupid. It's even worse in Nevada,
> where the Casino's can allow smoking yet normal bars and restaurants
> cannot. The fact is, if it were up to the owners of these businesses they
> would do whatever gains them more business. As they have been doing since
> the cigarrette was invented. That means they're going to keep allowing it
> in their businesses.
>
> I live on a state border and they recently passed a smoking ban for
> bars/pool halls/resteraunts on one side of the state line that goes into
> effect sometime next spring I believe. It's estimated that 60% of the
> small business operators in that market will go belly up. And that's
> probably a conservative estimate.
>
> Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
> example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
> thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
> close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> choice.
>
> The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
> social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
> voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses life
> just as miserable as theirs. :(
>
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:12:04
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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"Aboo" <jhemphill@ndbh.com > wrote:
>Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
>example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
>thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
>in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
>close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
>choice.
Which ones closed? That's a serious question, which ones?
Every time a state law is passed that bans smoking in public places,
the bars and restaurants go ape shit and start screaming about how
much business they'll lose. Can you find any study that shows this to
ultimately be the case? I just did a Google search and I can't find
one.
Peg
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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I don't have the link but I recently saw a reference to a study online that says
about 20% of people in Nevada casinos smoke.
Do you think there might be enough non-smokers who won't go to smoking casinos
to maybe make up for smokers who won't go unless they can smoke?
I don't know. I know I can't go dancing in Pennsylvania because I can't find a
place that outlaws smoking. I can in Oklahoma becuase there are enough American
Legions who don't allow smoking.
And dancing is actually an important activity for me because of some of my
health problems -- it's almost a perfect exersize.
On Dec 8 2006 8:12 PM, Peg Smith wrote:
> "Aboo" wrote:
>
> >Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
> >example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
> >thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> >in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
> >close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> >choice.
>
> Which ones closed? That's a serious question, which ones?
>
> Every time a state law is passed that bans smoking in public places,
> the bars and restaurants go ape shit and start screaming about how
> much business they'll lose. Can you find any study that shows this to
> ultimately be the case? I just did a Google search and I can't find
> one.
>
> Peg
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:51:01
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Gary Carson <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu > wrote:
>Do you think there might be enough non-smokers who won't go to smoking casinos
>to maybe make up for smokers who won't go unless they can smoke?
Yes, I do. And I think there are enough people who will stay in the
casinos longer -- in other words, giving more action than they
normally do now -- because of not having to fight the smell and/or
illness (headaches, nausea, etc.) caused by smoke.
Peg
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 8:51 PM, Peg Smith wrote:
> Gary Carson wrote:
>
> >Do you think there might be enough non-smokers who won't go to smoking
> >casinos
> >to maybe make up for smokers who won't go unless they can smoke?
>
> Yes, I do. And I think there are enough people who will stay in the
> casinos longer -- in other words, giving more action than they
> normally do now -- because of not having to fight the smell and/or
> illness (headaches, nausea, etc.) caused by smoke.
>
> Peg
There's a casino in Vegas that gives new players cards a hundred dollar
freeroll. Play the slots in a 24 hour period and they rebate anything you lose
up to $100.
I couldn't resist that.
My best bet with such a deal is to go for broke, play in the highest
denomination slots I can until I either double up or win $100. So I played the
$1 video machines with 5 coins and got lucky and cashed out about $900.
If not for the smoke I might have actually just played quarter slots to kill
time (my g/f had already left that afternoon and I was leaving in the morning).
That would have been a much better bet for the casino.
Gary Carson
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 11:56:10
From: Maverick
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Which casino is this with the freeroll?
Gary Carson wrote:
> On Dec 8 2006 8:51 PM, Peg Smith wrote:
>
> > Gary Carson wrote:
> >
> > >Do you think there might be enough non-smokers who won't go to smoking
> > >casinos
> > >to maybe make up for smokers who won't go unless they can smoke?
> >
> > Yes, I do. And I think there are enough people who will stay in the
> > casinos longer -- in other words, giving more action than they
> > normally do now -- because of not having to fight the smell and/or
> > illness (headaches, nausea, etc.) caused by smoke.
> >
> > Peg
>
> There's a casino in Vegas that gives new players cards a hundred dollar
> freeroll. Play the slots in a 24 hour period and they rebate anything you lose
> up to $100.
>
> I couldn't resist that.
>
> My best bet with such a deal is to go for broke, play in the highest
> denomination slots I can until I either double up or win $100. So I played the
> $1 video machines with 5 coins and got lucky and cashed out about $900.
>
> If not for the smoke I might have actually just played quarter slots to kill
> time (my g/f had already left that afternoon and I was leaving in the morning).
> That would have been a much better bet for the casino.
>
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com
>
>
>
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Date: 11 Dec 12:10:49
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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I think it was Arizona Charlies, or something like that, on south decatur.
On Dec 9 2006 1:56 PM, Maverick wrote:
> Which casino is this with the freeroll?
>
> Gary Carson wrote:
> > On Dec 8 2006 8:51 PM, Peg Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Gary Carson wrote:
> > >
> > > >Do you think there might be enough non-smokers who won't go to smoking
> > > >casinos
> > > >to maybe make up for smokers who won't go unless they can smoke?
> > >
> > > Yes, I do. And I think there are enough people who will stay in the
> > > casinos longer -- in other words, giving more action than they
> > > normally do now -- because of not having to fight the smell and/or
> > > illness (headaches, nausea, etc.) caused by smoke.
> > >
> > > Peg
> >
> > There's a casino in Vegas that gives new players cards a hundred dollar
> > freeroll. Play the slots in a 24 hour period and they rebate anything you
> > lose
> > up to $100.
> >
> > I couldn't resist that.
> >
> > My best bet with such a deal is to go for broke, play in the highest
> > denomination slots I can until I either double up or win $100. So I played
> > the
> > $1 video machines with 5 coins and got lucky and cashed out about $900.
> >
> > If not for the smoke I might have actually just played quarter slots to kill
> > time (my g/f had already left that afternoon and I was leaving in the
> > morning).
> > That would have been a much better bet for the casino.
> >
> > Gary Carson
> > http://www.garycarson.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Super Steamer
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 6:12 PM, Peg Smith wrote:
> "Aboo" wrote:
>
> >Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
> >example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
> >thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> >in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
> >close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> >choice.
>
> Which ones closed? That's a serious question, which ones?
>
> Every time a state law is passed that bans smoking in public places,
> the bars and restaurants go ape shit and start screaming about how
> much business they'll lose. Can you find any study that shows this to
> ultimately be the case? I just did a Google search and I can't find
> one.
>
> Peg
I live in California, so I can't speak to the crappy climate thing, but I think
the smoking bans have been a boon for business, both at restaurants and at
casinos, I don't spend much time in bars, so I don't know about that.
Initially it pisses off smokers, so you get a drop in business at first.
However, as the word slowly gets around, the non-smokers, some of whom have
trouble breathing in smoky environments (a minority, I'm sure, most people just
find it really annoying) start coming back in. A smoker can easily go into a
designated smoking room, or step outside, but there is no escape from the smoke
in an enclosed building, especially if a smoker is sitting right next to you at
a poker table. The non-smokers dramatically outnumber the smokers, so it ends
up a net gain in business in time.
Thems my theories anyhow, I don't have a link to any studies, but I have heard
business increased, and from what I have seen with my own eyes, this is true. I
am also aware that this does not *prove* that any increase was caused by a
smoking ban.
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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The last time I drove through New Mexico I stopped in half a dozen places for
dinner in one town. In every one of them, every one, you had to walk through a
smoking section to get to the non-smoking area. I walked out of every one of
them and finially ate supper at McDonalds.
All I wanted was to be able to eat without eating stale cigeratte smoke. The
idiot owners of those places aren't smart enough to figure that out. If they
just did that they wouldn't have a smoking ban in their future.
But they won't do that, so they do have a smoking ban in their future and it's
their own damn fault. Idiots.
On Dec 8 2006 8:25 PM, Super Steamer wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 8 2006 6:12 PM, Peg Smith wrote:
>
> > "Aboo" wrote:
> >
> > >Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
> > >example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
> > >thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> > >in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
> > >close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> > >choice.
> >
> > Which ones closed? That's a serious question, which ones?
> >
> > Every time a state law is passed that bans smoking in public places,
> > the bars and restaurants go ape shit and start screaming about how
> > much business they'll lose. Can you find any study that shows this to
> > ultimately be the case? I just did a Google search and I can't find
> > one.
> >
> > Peg
>
> I live in California, so I can't speak to the crappy climate thing, but I
> think
> the smoking bans have been a boon for business, both at restaurants and at
> casinos, I don't spend much time in bars, so I don't know about that.
>
> Initially it pisses off smokers, so you get a drop in business at first.
> However, as the word slowly gets around, the non-smokers, some of whom have
> trouble breathing in smoky environments (a minority, I'm sure, most people
> just
> find it really annoying) start coming back in. A smoker can easily go into a
> designated smoking room, or step outside, but there is no escape from the
> smoke
> in an enclosed building, especially if a smoker is sitting right next to you
> at
> a poker table. The non-smokers dramatically outnumber the smokers, so it ends
> up a net gain in business in time.
>
> Thems my theories anyhow, I don't have a link to any studies, but I have heard
> business increased, and from what I have seen with my own eyes, this is true.
> I
> am also aware that this does not *prove* that any increase was caused by a
> smoking ban.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 07:20:22
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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I agree with Peg on this. I play in local "charity" games where at least
35% to 40% of the players were heavy smokers. The state legislature, in a
rare burst of good judgment, passed a smoking ban in all public places. The
smokers immediately began pissing-and-moaning about how this would be the
end of these poker games. Well that proved to be total, absolute and
complete bull shit! The games are bigger and better than ever. The smokers
go out side where they fucking belong and many of the non-smokers came back
to the games.
Irish Mike
"Peg Smith" <PegSmithNow@aol.comnojunk > wrote in message
news:fc6kn2tckc3bfio5870rlb849n4sigb0uf@4ax.com...
> "Aboo" <jhemphill@ndbh.com> wrote:
>
>>Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
>>example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
>>thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
>>in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
>>close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
>>choice.
>
> Which ones closed? That's a serious question, which ones?
>
> Every time a state law is passed that bans smoking in public places,
> the bars and restaurants go ape shit and start screaming about how
> much business they'll lose. Can you find any study that shows this to
> ultimately be the case? I just did a Google search and I can't find
> one.
>
> Peg
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On Dec 8 2006 5:54 PM, Aboo wrote:
> Making it against the law for a business owner to not allow smoking in
> his/her own establishment is utterly stupid.
That would depend on the objective of the law. If the objective is to allow
Gary Carson to live his life as he'd like to live his wife, then there's nothing
at all stupid about such a law.
Isn't that what laws are for? To make me happy?
> It's even worse in Nevada,
No. It's the same in Nevada.
>
> I live on a state border and they recently passed a smoking ban for
> bars/pool halls/resteraunts on one side of the state line that goes into
> effect sometime next spring I believe. It's estimated that 60% of the
> small business operators in that market will go belly up. And that's
> probably a conservative estimate.
I know somebody who estimates that the world will come to an end in the morning.
Like the estimates you quote, he's probably wrong.
In fact, the more precise anybody tries to make any estimate the more likely the
estimate is wrong.
>
> Proponents of this BS legistlation point towards California as a "shining
> example" of this law working. It did, it made all the bar-owners spend
> thousands of dollars to build outdoor patios. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
> close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> choice.
>
> The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
> social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
> voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses life
> just as miserable as theirs. :(
So you want laws that benefit you. And I want laws that benfit me.
Gee.
Go live in France or something. They don't mind you blowing smoke.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 23:44:38
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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The "dangers of second hand smoke" is the big lie in the anti-smoking
political fire storm. It's never been poven that second hand smoke has
ever harmed anyone. In fact, everyday vehicle exhaust fumes are
obviously light years more toxic than cigarette smoke.
Also, why would anyone be interested in blowing smoke in Gary Carson's
face? People aren't interested in blowing smoke in other people's face.
Note: The above linked case has to do with constitutional issues.
That's what this is all about. Silly anecdotes from arm waving ninnies
about the fouling of "their air" has zero to do with the legal aspects
of a serious look at this outrageous government over stepping of it's
powers.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:09:59
From: igotskillz com
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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i don't drive and i want every car owner to stop polluting my air, i'll
stop smoking when you stop driving
On Dec 8 2006 7:44 PM, Travel wrote:
> The "dangers of second hand smoke" is the big lie in the anti-smoking
> political fire storm. It's never been poven that second hand smoke has
> ever harmed anyone. In fact, everyday vehicle exhaust fumes are
> obviously light years more toxic than cigarette smoke.
>
> Also, why would anyone be interested in blowing smoke in Gary Carson's
> face? People aren't interested in blowing smoke in other people's face.
>
>
>
> Note: The above linked case has to do with constitutional issues.
> That's what this is all about. Silly anecdotes from arm waving ninnies
> about the fouling of "their air" has zero to do with the legal aspects
> of a serious look at this outrageous government over stepping of it's
> powers.
>
>
> --
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Date: 09 Dec
From: Mr. Peoples
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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waaaaaaaaa :(
On Dec 8 2006 9:09 PM, igotskillz com wrote:
> i don't drive and i want every car owner to stop polluting my air, i'll
> stop smoking when you stop driving
>
>
>
> On Dec 8 2006 7:44 PM, Travel wrote:
>
> > The "dangers of second hand smoke" is the big lie in the anti-smoking
> > political fire storm. It's never been poven that second hand smoke has
> > ever harmed anyone. In fact, everyday vehicle exhaust fumes are
> > obviously light years more toxic than cigarette smoke.
> >
> > Also, why would anyone be interested in blowing smoke in Gary Carson's
> > face? People aren't interested in blowing smoke in other people's face.
> >
> >
> >
> > Note: The above linked case has to do with constitutional issues.
> > That's what this is all about. Silly anecdotes from arm waving ninnies
> > about the fouling of "their air" has zero to do with the legal aspects
> > of a serious look at this outrageous government over stepping of it's
> > powers.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Travel
> > - http://www.pokerhelper.com/ RGP Access News Forums -
>
>
> Thank YOU
>
> http://www.igotskillz.com/
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 00:07:10
From:
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Aboo wrote:
>
The fact is, if it were up to the owners of these businesses they
> would do whatever gains them more business. As they have been doing since
> the cigarrette was invented. That means they're going to keep allowing it
> in their businesses.
Poker rooms do not allow it and this came came b4 any law was enacted.
there are way more non-smokers than smokers. You are a dinosaur. Adapt
or die.
. Unfortunately, bar-owners
> in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So they
> close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
> choice.
With it being the law no other business, aka their competition, can
allow it either. So there is no choice. You will still go to your local
Outback to have a steak. You will still go to your local Macaroni Grill
to have a lasagna and such. LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT.
>
> The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
> social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
> voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses life
> just as miserable as theirs. :(
>
Two things:
1) if you didnt vote, you get what's coming to you. No one to blame but
your own self.
2) It is the old, tired, bitter people who are by far the largest
percentage of smokers. By the most part, the younger generation has
given up the FILTHY habit of smoking.
And lastly, trust me when i tell you that we dont give a flying fuck
how much or how little you smoke. The laws are there to control how
much you make ME smoke against my will.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 11:18:54
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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"And lastly, trust me when i tell you that we dont give a flying fuck
how much or how little you smoke. The laws are there to control how
much you make ME smoke against my will."
These smokers are the same ones you see driving their cars, puffing away
with the windows rolled up and their kids sitting beside them. They don't
give a shit about their own health, they don't give a shit about their kids
health and they sure as hell don't give a shit about some stranger's health.
They are addicts. They try to rationalize their addiction but all they
really care about is getting their next nicotine fix with as little
inconvenience as possible.
Irish Mike
<AstutoZorro@cardplayer.com > wrote in message
news:1165997229.981975.257370@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> Aboo wrote:
>
>
>>
> The fact is, if it were up to the owners of these businesses they
>> would do whatever gains them more business. As they have been doing
>> since
>> the cigarrette was invented. That means they're going to keep allowing
>> it
>> in their businesses.
>
> Poker rooms do not allow it and this came came b4 any law was enacted.
> there are way more non-smokers than smokers. You are a dinosaur. Adapt
> or die.
>
> . Unfortunately, bar-owners
>> in states with crappy climates can't do that for their customers. So
>> they
>> close because no one wants to go to them, unless there is absolutely no
>> choice.
>
> With it being the law no other business, aka their competition, can
> allow it either. So there is no choice. You will still go to your local
> Outback to have a steak. You will still go to your local Macaroni Grill
> to have a lasagna and such. LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT.
>
>
>>
>> The problem is, most of the people with social lives were out having
>> social lives while most of the old, tired, bitter people were at the
>> voting booths doing what they do best. Trying to make everyone elses
>> life
>> just as miserable as theirs. :(
>>
>
> Two things:
>
> 1) if you didnt vote, you get what's coming to you. No one to blame but
> your own self.
>
> 2) It is the old, tired, bitter people who are by far the largest
> percentage of smokers. By the most part, the younger generation has
> given up the FILTHY habit of smoking.
>
> And lastly, trust me when i tell you that we dont give a flying fuck
> how much or how little you smoke. The laws are there to control how
> much you make ME smoke against my will.
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 06:59:49
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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AstutoZorro@cardplayer.com;1008520 Wrote:
> Aboo wrote:
>
>
>
> ....................................
>
>
> "2) It is the old, tired, bitter people who are by far the largest
> percentage of smokers."
>
> And you would no this "statistic", how?
>
> It seems the typical anti smoking nazi is a loser looking to win one
> for the first time in their sorry life. And there is a certain
> unmistakable mean spiritedness that's way over done suggesting it
> really isn't the harmless smoke in a bar that's bothering you.
>
> ........................................
>
>
>
> "By the most part, the younger generation has
> given up the FILTHY habit of smoking."
>
> Even the liberal media reports that smoking is on the rise among the
> younger generation. Some cities and towns have unconstitutional "sting
> operations" going arond trying to catch convenience store selling
> cigarettes to minors.
> You can't have t both ways. Get your bogus "statistics" lined up before
> posting your idiocy.
>
> .........................................
>
> "And lastly, trust me when i tell you that we dont give a flying fuck
> how much or how little you smoke. The laws are there to control how
> much you make ME smoke against my will".
>
>
> The EPA study proves you wrong.
>
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 07:06:23
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Make that "know".
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 17:05:16
From: glassman
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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"Travel" <Travel.2iik83@no-mx..pokerhelper.com > wrote in message
news:Travel.2iik83@no-mx..pokerhelper.com...
>
> Finally, some fair play and sound legal decisions on the anti-smoking
> persecutions against citizen using, and free enterprise accommodating a
> legal product.
>
No one says you can't smoke... just go outside to do it. Forget the
dangers to health..... smoke sucks.
--
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www.SinrodStudios.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 14:43:44
From: Eric Rosenberg
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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You act like we still abide by the Constitution. Duh! Get with the
times!
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 14:15:23
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Eric Rosenberg wrote:
> You act like we still abide by the Constitution. Duh! Get with the
> times!
I've read the Constitution from beginning to end. Nowhere in it is there
any such thing as a "right to smoke." Nowhere in it is anything
preventing government from establishing regulations over businesses that
serve the public (such as smoking bans).
Nicotine addiction is powerful, and causes denial. It should be no
surprise that addicts, who for years denied that their own smoking was
harming themselves, now deny that their smoking harms those around them.
Although a registered Republican, this year I voted Democratic for my
State legislators and my Governor in Colorado. I did so because of the
Republicans' opposition to the statewide smoking ban, and because the
Republicans rammed through an exemption for casinos. The Democrats now
hold both houses of the legislature and the Governor's' office for the
first time in 40 years. We the People, the 80% majority, just aren't
going to put up with smokers fouling the air for everyone in public
places any longer. Deal with it.
--
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Somewhere on the Range
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 01:41:59
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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"Nicotine addiction is powerful, and causes denial. It should be no
surprise that addicts, who for years denied that their own smoking was
harming themselves, now deny that their smoking harms those around them."
Very good point. The amazing thing is that even with all the harmful,
negative aspects of smoking the nicotine addicts don't quit or just admit
they don't have the will power to do it. Instead they bitch endlessly about
their "rights being violated" and try to peddle that lame old bull shit
about second hand smoke not being harmful. The majority of these addicts
never gave a shit about the rights of non-smokers being violated by their
filthy habit.
Like they say, "Denial ain't a river in Egypt".
Irish Mike
"Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com > wrote in message
news:OKqdnZB9v5KMgeLYnZ2dnUVZ_q-vnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Eric Rosenberg wrote:
>> You act like we still abide by the Constitution. Duh! Get with the
>> times!
>
> I've read the Constitution from beginning to end. Nowhere in it is there
> any such thing as a "right to smoke." Nowhere in it is anything
> preventing government from establishing regulations over businesses that
> serve the public (such as smoking bans).
>
> Nicotine addiction is powerful, and causes denial. It should be no
> surprise that addicts, who for years denied that their own smoking was
> harming themselves, now deny that their smoking harms those around them.
>
> Although a registered Republican, this year I voted Democratic for my
> State legislators and my Governor in Colorado. I did so because of the
> Republicans' opposition to the statewide smoking ban, and because the
> Republicans rammed through an exemption for casinos. The Democrats now
> hold both houses of the legislature and the Governor's' office for the
> first time in 40 years. We the People, the 80% majority, just aren't
> going to put up with smokers fouling the air for everyone in public places
> any longer. Deal with it.
>
>
> --
> Joe Long aka ChipRider
> Somewhere on the Range
>
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 21:51:09
From: Eric Rosenberg
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Lrw wrote:
> On 12 Dec 2006 20:48:16 -0800, "Eric Rosenberg"
> <eric@pokerupdates.com> wrote:
>
> > I was as courteous as possible to non-smokers...
>
> Could you please explain to me what it means to be a courteous smoker?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lrw
I tried to avoid smoking near anybody that didn't like it. Even at a
bar I would put it out if the person next to me appeared annoyed. Was
that a good explanation, wise ass?
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 20:48:16
From: Eric Rosenberg
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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I smoked for many many years. I finally quit on March 22 and have been
smoke free since. As a smoker, I was the exception to your rule. I
was as courteous as possible to non-smokers and I was never in denial
about my addiction or how dangerous my addiction was. I was often
called a "self loathing smoker" by my fellow smokers.
With that being said, I can't say that I have given much thought to the
banning of smoking in bars, but I very much disagree with any laws that
offer a carve out that is designed to move bargoers from the corner bar
to the casino bar.
(My little side note to smokers: I tried everything and nothing
worked... until I found laser treatment. It was like somebody waived a
magic wand. It was the best $300 I ever spent.)
Irish Mike wrote:
> "Nicotine addiction is powerful, and causes denial. It should be no
> surprise that addicts, who for years denied that their own smoking was
> harming themselves, now deny that their smoking harms those around them."
>
> Very good point. The amazing thing is that even with all the harmful,
> negative aspects of smoking the nicotine addicts don't quit or just admit
> they don't have the will power to do it. Instead they bitch endlessly about
> their "rights being violated" and try to peddle that lame old bull shit
> about second hand smoke not being harmful. The majority of these addicts
> never gave a shit about the rights of non-smokers being violated by their
> filthy habit.
>
> Like they say, "Denial ain't a river in Egypt".
>
> Irish Mike
>
> "Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:OKqdnZB9v5KMgeLYnZ2dnUVZ_q-vnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > Eric Rosenberg wrote:
> >> You act like we still abide by the Constitution. Duh! Get with the
> >> times!
> >
> > I've read the Constitution from beginning to end. Nowhere in it is there
> > any such thing as a "right to smoke." Nowhere in it is anything
> > preventing government from establishing regulations over businesses that
> > serve the public (such as smoking bans).
> >
> > Nicotine addiction is powerful, and causes denial. It should be no
> > surprise that addicts, who for years denied that their own smoking was
> > harming themselves, now deny that their smoking harms those around them.
> >
> > Although a registered Republican, this year I voted Democratic for my
> > State legislators and my Governor in Colorado. I did so because of the
> > Republicans' opposition to the statewide smoking ban, and because the
> > Republicans rammed through an exemption for casinos. The Democrats now
> > hold both houses of the legislature and the Governor's' office for the
> > first time in 40 years. We the People, the 80% majority, just aren't
> > going to put up with smokers fouling the air for everyone in public places
> > any longer. Deal with it.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joe Long aka ChipRider
> > Somewhere on the Range
> >
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:49:27
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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Eric Rosenberg;1008419 Wrote:
> I smoked for many many years. I finally quit on March 22 and have been
> smoke free since. As a smoker, I was the exception to your rule. I
> was as courteous as possible to non-smokers and I was never in denial
> about my addiction or how dangerous my addiction was. I was often
> called a "self loathing smoker" by my fellow smokers.
>
> With that being said, I can't say that I have given much thought to
> the
> banning of smoking in bars, but I very much disagree with any laws
> that
> offer a carve out that is designed to move bargoers from the corner
> bar
> to the casino bar.
>
>
>
> (My little side note to smokers: I tried everything and nothing
> worked... until I found laser treatment.
There's an idea. Could you e-mail Joe Long the doctor's phone number?
Laser treatment may be the solution for Joe Long's removing of the
stick up his ass.
I Never heard of anyone who didn't wish they could quit smoking. This
denial characterization is as bogus as your assertions that second hand
smoke if harmful.
If other people smoking in a bar annoys Joe Long, maybe Joe Long is an
overly sensitive guuurlymon.
--
Travel
- http://www.pokerhelper.com RGP Access News Forums -
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 22:35:03
From: Lrw
Subject: Re: Restraining order on new Vegas smoking ban
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On 12 Dec 2006 20:48:16 -0800, "Eric Rosenberg"
<eric@pokerupdates.com > wrote:
> I was as courteous as possible to non-smokers...
Could you please explain to me what it means to be a courteous smoker?
Thanks,
Lrw
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