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Date: 18 Dec 2006 21:06:31
From: MarlaSinger
Subject: Question for the Christians.
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This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
energy
railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
(Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
your time.
If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
others about something I
don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 23:28:09
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
I could:
A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
death...let's see am I missing anything else?
or
B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
above accomplished.
WOW...tough decision.
A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
>
> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose , isn't
> >it?
>
> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not religionists are
> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little fantasy to
> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face and be
> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 03:18:33
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On 18 Dec 2006 23:28:09 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
>OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
>I could:
>A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
>human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
>people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
>fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
>death...let's see am I missing anything else?
>or
>B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
>an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
>not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
>above accomplished.
>WOW...tough decision.
Thanks for proving your stupidity again, as if it needed to be proven.
Again, if you're an example of the cretinism that passes for religion,
its benefits are not evident.
I have one advantage over Jesus that I can think of, though.
I ACTUALLY EXIST. Sucker!
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:21:29
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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KilgoreTrout wrote:
> On Dec 19 2006 9:25 AM, jd00123 wrote:
>
> > Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?
> >
>
> How about Socrates. Do you think Socrates existed, jd?
>
> Hercules? Lot's wife? Do you think there was really a lady who made the
> mistake of looking back at some city and was turned into a pillar of salt?
>
> How about this reality? Are you positive "all is as it seems"? Can you
> prove that you aren't actually laying in a hospital in a coma, or locked
> up in an asylum (outta yer mind)?
>
> Prove each of these to me, one way or the other, bitte...
The existence of Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Socrates, have been
proven unrefutedly by archaeology. They found books written about them.
These people even existed way before Jesus Christ was born.
Through arcaheology, books were found about the existence of Jesus
Christ as well. How can you believe that Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato
or Socrates existed and not Jesus Christ?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:42:01
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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jd00123 wrote:
> You missed my point lol
Nope, I did not. I reinforced it actually.
I was respondng to Kilgore's point. Your point is what I believe.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:39:29
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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jd00123 wrote:
> You missed my point lol
I was respondng to Kilgore's point. Your point is what I my believe.
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Date: 19 Dec 15:57:59
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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You missed my point lol
On Dec 19 2006 9:21 AM, LiamToo wrote:
> KilgoreTrout wrote:
> > On Dec 19 2006 9:25 AM, jd00123 wrote:
> >
> > > Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?
> > >
> >
> > How about Socrates. Do you think Socrates existed, jd?
> >
> > Hercules? Lot's wife? Do you think there was really a lady who made the
> > mistake of looking back at some city and was turned into a pillar of salt?
> >
> > How about this reality? Are you positive "all is as it seems"? Can you
> > prove that you aren't actually laying in a hospital in a coma, or locked
> > up in an asylum (outta yer mind)?
> >
> > Prove each of these to me, one way or the other, bitte...
>
> The existence of Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Socrates, have been
> proven unrefutedly by archaeology. They found books written about them.
> These people even existed way before Jesus Christ was born.
>
> Through arcaheology, books were found about the existence of Jesus
> Christ as well. How can you believe that Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato
> or Socrates existed and not Jesus Christ?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:48:59
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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"LiamToo" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1166541689.745303.170070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> KilgoreTrout wrote:
> > On Dec 19 2006 9:25 AM, jd00123 wrote:
> >
> > > Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?
> > >
> >
> > How about Socrates. Do you think Socrates existed, jd?
> >
> > Hercules? Lot's wife? Do you think there was really a lady who made
the
> > mistake of looking back at some city and was turned into a pillar of
salt?
> >
> > How about this reality? Are you positive "all is as it seems"? Can you
> > prove that you aren't actually laying in a hospital in a coma, or locked
> > up in an asylum (outta yer mind)?
> >
> > Prove each of these to me, one way or the other, bitte...
>
> The existence of Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Socrates, have been
> proven unrefutedly by archaeology. They found books written about them.
> These people even existed way before Jesus Christ was born.
>
> Through arcaheology, books were found about the existence of Jesus
> Christ as well. How can you believe that Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato
> or Socrates existed and not Jesus Christ?
There are records/documents contemporary to those lives that support those
lives, and even stone statues and buildings, but NONE for the person(s)
characterised as Jesus Christ.
And, of course, the earliest of the non-contemporary documents, the earliest
copy of Mark, does NOT include the Greek resurrection and ascendence idiocy,
the Christ idiocy that would constiture a betrayal of Jesus if he did/(had)
existed.
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eleaticus@bellsouth.net
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:20:47
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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jd00123 wrote:
> Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?
There's a certain amount of historical evidence that a man named Jesus
(or Yeshu) lived and preached in ancient Israel. However, there is no
historical evidence that he walked on water, etc. - that is all a
matter of faith.
- Bob T.
>
> On Dec 19 2006 2:18 AM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
>
> > On 18 Dec 2006 23:28:09 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> >
> > >OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
> >
> > >I could:
> >
> > >A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> > >human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> > >people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> > >fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> > >death...let's see am I missing anything else?
> >
> > >or
> >
> > >B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
> > >an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
> > >not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
> > >above accomplished.
> >
> > >WOW...tough decision.
> >
> > Thanks for proving your stupidity again, as if it needed to be proven.
> > Again, if you're an example of the cretinism that passes for religion,
> > its benefits are not evident.
> >
> > I have one advantage over Jesus that I can think of, though.
> > I ACTUALLY EXIST. Sucker!
>
>
>
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Date: 19 Dec 15:57:22
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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exactly my point.
On Dec 19 2006 9:20 AM, Bob T. wrote:
> jd00123 wrote:
> > Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?
>
> There's a certain amount of historical evidence that a man named Jesus
> (or Yeshu) lived and preached in ancient Israel. However, there is no
> historical evidence that he walked on water, etc. - that is all a
> matter of faith.
>
> - Bob T.
> >
> > On Dec 19 2006 2:18 AM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> >
> > > On 18 Dec 2006 23:28:09 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
> > >
> > > >I could:
> > >
> > > >A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> > > >human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> > > >people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> > > >fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> > > >death...let's see am I missing anything else?
> > >
> > > >or
> > >
> > > >B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
> > > >an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
> > > >not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
> > > >above accomplished.
> > >
> > > >WOW...tough decision.
> > >
> > > Thanks for proving your stupidity again, as if it needed to be proven.
> > > Again, if you're an example of the cretinism that passes for religion,
> > > its benefits are not evident.
> > >
> > > I have one advantage over Jesus that I can think of, though.
> > > I ACTUALLY EXIST. Sucker!
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> > * New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com/
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:50:34
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:1166541647.909179.55020@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> jd00123 wrote:
> > Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?
>
> There's a certain amount of historical evidence that a man named Jesus
> (or Yeshu) lived and preached in ancient Israel.
No, there is not.
Unless you consider a very-'post facto' advertising campaign as evidence.
--
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ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net
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Date: 19 Dec 14:25:34
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?
On Dec 19 2006 2:18 AM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> On 18 Dec 2006 23:28:09 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
>
> >OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
>
> >I could:
>
> >A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> >human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> >people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> >fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> >death...let's see am I missing anything else?
>
> >or
>
> >B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
> >an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
> >not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
> >above accomplished.
>
> >WOW...tough decision.
>
> Thanks for proving your stupidity again, as if it needed to be proven.
> Again, if you're an example of the cretinism that passes for religion,
> its benefits are not evident.
>
> I have one advantage over Jesus that I can think of, though.
> I ACTUALLY EXIST. Sucker!
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:04:49
From: KilgoreTrout
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19 2006 9:25 AM, jd00123 wrote:
> Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?
>
How about Socrates. Do you think Socrates existed, jd?
Hercules? Lot's wife? Do you think there was really a lady who made the
mistake of looking back at some city and was turned into a pillar of salt?
How about this reality? Are you positive "all is as it seems"? Can you
prove that you aren't actually laying in a hospital in a coma, or locked
up in an asylum (outta yer mind)?
Prove each of these to me, one way or the other, bitte...
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:27:11
From: kevin cline
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19, 9:20 am, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com > wrote:
> jd00123 wrote:
> > Did Napoleon exist?
Certainly.
How about Cleopatra? Definitely a ruler of Egypt by that name.
Plato? Homer?
Someone wrote those books.
> There's a certain amount of historical evidence that a man named Jesus
> (or Yeshu) lived and preached in ancient Israel.
Really? Can you point me to some historical evidence, as opposed to
fantastical and contradictory tales written decades after his supposed
death? There is a lot of writing about Zeus and the Greek pantheon,
but we don't believe that they actually walked the earth.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:19:21
From: kevin cline
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19, 9:20 am, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com > wrote:
> jd00123 wrote:
> > Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?There's a certain amount of historical evidence that a man named Jesus
> (or Yeshu) lived and preached in ancient Israel.
Really? What?
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 07:53:46
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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kevin cline wrote:
> On Dec 19, 9:20 am, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
> > jd00123 wrote:
> > > Did Napoleon exist? How about Cleopatra, Alexander, Plato or Homer?There's a certain amount of historical evidence that a man named Jesus
> > (or Yeshu) lived and preached in ancient Israel.
>
> Really? What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
- Bob T.
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Date: 19 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19 2006 12:28 AM, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
>
> I could:
>
> A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> death...let's see am I missing anything else?
>
> or
>
> B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
> an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
> not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
> above accomplished.
>
> WOW...tough decision.
In my lifetime I have met 3 people of faith that really blew my mind. All three
had this glow (lack of a better word) around them and I felt very happy just
being near them.
One was a nun at the Vatican.
One was an older lady that lived on the Russian river that helped veitnam vets
that had mental problems due to the war.
One was a man in Durango CO that was a preacher and farmer.
It is hard to explain but there was something special about these three and I I
said I felt great just being around them and could see a special glow that
surrounded them
BTW none of them pushed their faith on me or anyone I saw them with.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 02:42:20
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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<jocko911@inbox.com > wrote in message
news:1166513289.250110.149610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
>
> I could:
>
> A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> death...let's see am I missing anything else?
>
> or
>
> B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
> an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
> not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
> above accomplished.
>
> WOW...tough decision.
And you pick the ficticious person. If only A Man Beaten By Jacks would have
picked A Man Whose Dad Is God for a name.
> A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
>> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
>>
>> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
>> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose , isn't
>> >it?
>>
>> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not
>> religionists are
>> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little fantasy to
>> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face and be
>> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
>
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Date: 19 Dec
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Nah, its not a rant at all........
On Dec 18 2006 11:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 22:56:16
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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LOL...I guess it is an easy sell when a measly 3.8% of the world's
population is athestic.
Also, I do not use what is at the core of atheism (believing in
nothing, hopelessness, and the fact humans were created by random
chance and have no purpose) to spread Christ's message. In fact, I use
just the opposite.
ShuffletownKid wrote:
> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> news:1166509367.372406.273780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
> > the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose , isn't
> > it?
>
> No, that's an easy sell. That's exactly what you use to convience the
> ignorant and stupid that they can have a meaningful life and live forever
> with God.
>
>
>
> > ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >> "crazed_actor" <43086512@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1166505688$924081@recpoker.com...
> >> >
> >> > Christians don't have a monopoly on proselytizing.
> >> >
> >> > I don't consider myself particularly religious, but just from
> >> > observation,
> >> > I
> >> > would say that atheists expend just as much energy trying to convince
> >> > people
> >> > that there is no God as Christians do that there is.
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Have a lot atheist out knocking on doors in your neighborhood?
> >
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 03:26:23
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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<jocko911@inbox.com > wrote in message
news:1166511375.962483.69350@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> LOL...I guess it is an easy sell when a measly 3.8% of the world's
> population is athiestic.
Since you said atheistic, not atheist, I would challenge that 96.2% to a
polygraph test. After the results you would find a rather atheistic leaning.
Of course, your percentages are meaningless anyway. You would have to start
with the relevant percentage of the population. What is the percent of the
population capable of formulating an opinion based on fact?
> Also, I do not use what is at the core of atheism (believing in
> nothing, hopelessness, and the fact humans were created by random
> chance and have no purpose) to spread Christ's message. In fact, I use
> just the opposite.
Atheism is not believing in god/s. I think you will find reality is abundant
with all life has to offer. Accept reality as your personal savior.
>
> ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166509367.372406.273780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
>> > the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose , isn't
>> > it?
>>
>> No, that's an easy sell. That's exactly what you use to convience the
>> ignorant and stupid that they can have a meaningful life and live forever
>> with God.
>>
>>
>>
>> > ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> >> "crazed_actor" <43086512@recpoker.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1166505688$924081@recpoker.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Christians don't have a monopoly on proselytizing.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't consider myself particularly religious, but just from
>> >> > observation,
>> >> > I
>> >> > would say that atheists expend just as much energy trying to
>> >> > convince
>> >> > people
>> >> > that there is no God as Christians do that there is.
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Have a lot atheist out knocking on doors in your neighborhood?
>> >
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 14:14:17
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On 2006-12-19 00:26:23 -0800, "ShuffletownKid" <sk@nospamserver.com > said:
>
> Atheism is not believing in god/s. I think you will find reality is
> abundant with all life has to offer. Accept reality as your personal
> savior.
>
I see a new bumper sticker out of that line. "Reality is my Savior".
--
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 01:38:01
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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I am not catholic and believe their rituals are pure nonsense. I tell
people what I believe, if they want to heat it. I dont try to "convert"
them at all. It isnt my job. Jesus came for the sinners, which we all
are. He came to make it easier to get to heaven. He never said much on
what to do, except treat others well. I dont think any organized
religion is correct. I believe god put inside everyone what he wanted.
We all know right from wrong. If you follow that morality that you are
naturally equipped with then I think you will be rewarded, either in
this life or the next. Be a bad person, like a serial rapist, and you
get punished either in this life or the next. Call it karma or whatever,
its just common sense to me that we should be good people.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 23:20:37
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 18 2006 10:38 PM, ben carr wrote:
> I am not catholic and believe their rituals are pure nonsense. I tell
> people what I believe, if they want to heat it. I dont try to "convert"
> them at all. It isnt my job. Jesus came for the sinners, which we all
> are. He came to make it easier to get to heaven. He never said much on
> what to do, except treat others well. I dont think any organized
> religion is correct. I believe god put inside everyone what he wanted.
> We all know right from wrong. If you follow that morality that you are
> naturally equipped with then I think you will be rewarded, either in
> this life or the next. Be a bad person, like a serial rapist, and you
> get punished either in this life or the next. Call it karma or whatever,
> its just common sense to me that we should be good people.
So funny, so so funny. The Catholic church is the ORIGINAL christian
church, and was founded by Jesus' own brother. But, THEIR rituals are
nonsense? Who are you to say that?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:51:05
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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ben carr wrote:
> Brew, I say the catholic rituals are nonsense because thats what I
> think. The religion that Jesus'
> brother created doesnt resemble the moder catholic religion in most
> aspects. Did he pray to his mother? I think the rituals are nonsense
> because I see most of them as pointless.
Here's what I posted in the Catholic newsgroup in response to a
Baptist's question on Mary. If you're not a Baptist, replace the word
with your religion.
The famous "Hail Mary" is purely biblical. I wonder if you know what
"Hail" really means? It's greetings, simply GREETINGS.
Our prayer/petition/greetings starts with, "Hail Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee." This is well documented in Luke 1:28, I suggest
that you go find a Bible now and start reading it. This is the
beginning of your education about Mary, don't waste this oppurtunity.
Then we say, "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus." This is also written in Luke 1:42. The only thing
that has been added to the two above-mentioned verses are the names
"Jesus" and "Mary," to make clear who is being referred to. So to
reiterate, the famous "Hail Mary" is entirely biblical. Are you with
me so far?
Mary was a Christian (the first Christian, actually, the first person
to accept Jesus; Luke 1:45, as I already wrote above), and the Bible
describes blessed Christians (Mary is written too as blessed, look it
up, the Bible says so) in general as holy. In fact, they are called
saints, which means "holy ones" (Eph. 1:1, Phil. 1:1, Col. 1:2).
Furthermore, as the mother of Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Second Person
of the Blessed Trinity, Mary was certainly a very holy woman. I hope
that you're getting all these. Do Baptists have saints? My guess is
none because as described in Rev 17:6 and 18:24 you and your religion
are the persecutors of our saints and martyrs, like the attacks that
you're doing now to Mary.
Then we say, "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death."
Many non-Catholics think such a request denies the teaching of 1
Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between
God and men, the man Christ Jesus." But in the preceding four verses (1
Tim. 2:1-4), Paul instructs Christians to pray for each other, meaning
it cannot interfere with Christ's mediatorship: "I urge that prayers,
supplications, petitions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone. . . .
This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior."
Now go back to basics and read the Bible, it's good for you instead of
unnecessary protesting and persecuting of our saints.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:55:41
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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"LiamToo" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1166547065.526869.286550@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> Now go back to basics and read the Bible, it's good for you instead of
> unnecessary protesting and persecuting of our saints.
I know the Bible is not God's word because the Bible is THE word on
everything and it doesn't say it is God's word.
(lol)
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 03:32:34
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Brew, I say the catholic rituals are nonsense because thats what I
think. The religion that Jesus'
brother created doesnt resemble the moder catholic religion in most
aspects. Did he pray to his mother? I think the rituals are nonsense
because I see most of them as pointless.
Saying the same prayers over and over along with everyone else
accomplishes nothing. LIke the lords prayer-Our father who art....
When Jesus said that he was giving an example of how to pray. First
acknowledge god and give him thanks. Then ask for others to be help. Ask
for yourself last. Jesus said this is how to pray. He didnt say this is
what you should say, over and over until the end of time.
Another example- kneeling, Getting down on your knees is a sign of
respect to god. You humble yourself by getting down on the ground.
Catholics want it to be more comfortable so they invent a little
pedistal to kneel on. Are they too good to get on the ground like Jesus
did? I dont think Jesus meant for the world to carry a silly necklace
with his mother on it and to believe it has some religious power.
Another thing I disagree with is the whole sainthood idea. Why would you
pray to another man, who was a sinner like the rest of us, when you can
go directly to god himself? If being catholic work for you then fine. I
just find it silly. There are things about other religions I feel the
same way about. Some protestant churches have their own rituals that
dont accomplish anything either. I wasnt trying to pick on catholics in
particular. I was trying to say that rituals are pointless.
Another thing I disagree with is the catholic version of confessing.
The point of confessing a sin is to let people know you made a mistake
and to help make amends for it. How does telling a priest accomplish
that? All that happens is you tell another man a secret. Nothing happens
because you told him. Here is another thing. Many catholics think the
pope is infallable. But, there are plenty of examples where one pope
counteracts what a previous pope said. They both cant be right. My
theory is that the more specific a religion gets the farther from the
truth they are.
If following the strict rules set out be old men keeps you from being
evil then do it. And, to make my point even further, the first christian
religion wasnt catholicism. In the bible, the book of acts, a religion
was established. Part of it was you had to give all of your property to
the church to be evenly divided amongst everyone. One guy held out and
his whole family was killed. That was communism. Just because a religion
is old doesnt make it right. Hell, to me it makes it more likely to be
wrong..
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 00:09:22
From: Stud Poker Guy
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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>>Did he pray to his mother?
No, and neither do we; we believe she is in heaven, but as a saint, is
on our side; just as I would ask someone to pray for me, so too do we
ask the saints to pray for us. We believe Christ saying "behold your
mother" from the Cross meant something significant; it would have been
assumed she would have been taken care of.
>>Saying the same prayers over and over along with everyone else
accomplishes nothing
That's an opinion; my take is it's significant in that it shows the
unification of our Church so the same prayer is being said in one place
as in another. It also unifies the community at worship; we emphasize
private prayer too, and there are many, many types of Catholic
spirituality from monasticism, silent retreats, the rosary, praying in
nature, centering prayer, Jesuit spirituality, the Chaplet of Divine
Mercy, mediatation on Scripture, etc. The list is endless.
>>Another example- kneeling, Getting down on your knees is a sign of
respect to god. You humble yourself by getting down on the ground.
Catholics want it to be more comfortable so they invent a little
pedistal to kneel on. Are they too good to get on the ground like Jesus
did?
Kneeling is done in the US; it's not done in European churches
generally. Some kneel on the ground, others do not. It's also more
helpful to older people and those with knee problems. I don't think
it's a big deal at all whether one stands or kneels.
>>Another thing I disagree with is the whole sainthood idea. Why would
you
pray to another man, who was a sinner like the rest of us, when you can
go directly to god himself?
Another misconception. Saints are not prayed to; we ask for their
prayers and intercessions. Only God is prayed to.
>>Another thing I disagree with is the catholic version of confessing.
The point of confessing a sin is to let people know you made a mistake
and to help make amends for it. How does telling a priest accomplish
that? All that happens is you tell another man a secret. Nothing
happens
because you told him.
The priest acts in the presence of Christ when he puts on that purple
stole; we believe that through the succession of apostles the priest is
given the authority to forgive sins. Even Luther felt Confession was a
sacrament.
>>Here is another thing. Many catholics think the
pope is infallable. But, there are plenty of examples where one pope
counteracts what a previous pope said. They both cant be right. My
theory is that the more specific a religion gets the farther from the
truth they are.
Sure, but you're confusing levels of authority. The pope says many
things, but rarely speaks issuing some dogmatic statement; this was
only done twice, with the Immaculate Conception and Assumption being
declared dogmas. Many things are contradicted that aren't matters of
theology but discipline; and theology is continually being seen through
the light of reason, so things may change. EG, Latin-rite Mass being
allowed in the vernacular.
Regards,
Deacon Paul
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:34:12
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19 2006 12:20 AM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> So funny, so so funny. The Catholic church is the ORIGINAL christian
> church, and was founded by Jesus' own brother.
que?!?!
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 22:36:40
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
>
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christians aren't born,so your 40 year old example is off the mark a
little,it's possible that they became a christian at 40.
it would seem to me as an atheist you would have realized that
everything in life is repetitious,and that most things in life you've
probably experienced over and over.eaten pzza,yep,if i tilt my head
back and think about it i can taste the tomato sauce.
so your just experiencing the same thing over and over,man that gets
old,your just treading water.hey hip huggers are back in,will they go
out of fashion and come back again,probably.hey pokers in,will it fall
out of fashion and become unpopular only to regenerate interest 30
years down the road.
people are bored easily,because it's the same crap over and over it's
just dressed up a little different.banging shana hyatt and not being
married to her would be contrary to christian teaching.
maybe before they became a christian they banged a 100 shana
hyatts,whats next?anything new?how many different ways can you
ejaculate?just one.
some people may enjoy murdering someone,hey,why not,if your just going
to die and decompose and turn to dirt whose going to punish you?what is
the penalty?no God no judgement,hell live it up,john gotti did,stalin
did.if men won't obey a so called God,what makes you think there going
to obey civil authority.
ever noticed how different styles of furniture are either in or
out,wall paper,no wall paper,carpeting,no carpeting.open floor
plans,then defined spaces again.people are never content.is this
madison avenue marketing or the nature of man?are the playing upon the
covetousness of man.
i've seen people claiming to be enviromentalists on t.v. gutting a
perfectly good kitchen to remodel it to current trends,wonder why,the
old one was perfectly functional.
if i was a atheist i would have wore this out the old body along time
ago,your just prolonging the inevitable a little bit longer.
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Date: 19 Dec
From: Vegas Vic
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Yes both rabid Christians and Atheist are a pain in the ass. But tell us MARLA.
How long have you been dreaming about banging Shana Hiatt? That's what your fans
here want to know. And please describe the girl on girl sex in a much detail as
necessary.
On Dec 18 2006 9:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 00:00:58
From: Stud Poker Guy
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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I think it goes back to the exhortation of Christ: Come, follow me, and
I will make you fishers of men. Some give the faith a bad name by
proslytizing and telling people they are going to hell and must repent,
etc. My closest friends are agnostic, and I pray for them, but also try
to lead a life that shows I care about them and have conversations at
various points where I might plant seeds. Love between humans should
reflect the love of the Trinity; the love between Father, Son and Holy
Spirit is so great that it spills out to humanity. One's concern for
his brother or sister should also be so deep that he never gives up
hope they might eventually come to the faith, and never give up and
walk away from them resorting to surfacy talk only focusing on, say,
play of off-suited connectors in early position. It's a balance I think
that doesn't seek to hit the Bible over their head, but one where you
hope they might eventually show some curiosity or be drawn to the
faith. In a sense, I think everyone has that faith-sense across
cultures; theologian Karl Rahner called it the "supernatural
existential," referring to how we are all hard-wired of sorts to what
is beyond this world, God; e.g., the philosopher asking "why is there
something rather than nothing?"
Faith isn't meant to be bottled up; it's not just a "me and God" thing,
even at Mass, when one receives communion: the Body of Christ also
represents the people gathered around the altar. Faith also requires
one to be a fisher of men.
-Deacon Paul
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Date: 19 Dec
From: Mr. Peoples
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Troll Post
On Dec 18 2006 10:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 21:51:59
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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It's called the Great Commission (Matthew 28:16-20), where Jesus
instructed his followers after he resurrected from the dead: to go out
and preach the Gospel, making disciples of all nations and teaching
them to obey everything I have commanded you. Quite a tough task if
you ask me, especially in today's world.
If you read the Bible and UNDERSTAND it, you may have been able to
figure this out for yourself. Might I suggest that you visit
http://christianlibrary.org/authors/Butch_Walker/nt/bibleunderstanding.htm
as reading the Bible and understanding what it means are two differnet
things.
MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
>
>
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 23:49:01
From: MelB
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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>
> If you read the Bible and UNDERSTAND it, you may have been able to
> figure this out for yourself. Might I suggest that you visit
> http://christianlibrary.org/authors/Butch_Walker/nt/bibleunderstanding.htm
>
> as reading the Bible and understanding what it means are two differnet
> things.
Fair enough. You make excellent sense.
Perhaps, then, you might construct a reasonable reply to the following
letter. It was posted on the Internet, and originally sent to Dr. Laura
Schlesinger by one of her radio listeners. As I understand it, the good
doctor has never replied.
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need
some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws
and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? -
Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
and unchanging.
Your devoted fan,
Jim
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 21:27:47
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 18 2006 10:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
Though the question was not directed at me, Christians are taught that it
is their duty to convert everyone in the world to Christianity. That is
why. Some (Billy Graham for example) do it better than others.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 02:22:51
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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In the bible Jesus never tried to force his beliefs on people. While
their hearts are in the right place, many christians are just plain
stupid.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 02:36:33
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:22:51 -0500, up-high@webtv.net (ben carr) wrote:
>In the bible Jesus never tried to force his beliefs on people. While
>their hearts are in the right place, many christians are just plain
>stupid.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so
unlike your Christ." -- Mahatma Gandhi
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 03:28:38
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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A man beaten--- I am christian, sort of, and agree completely with
ghandi. Most christians dont act anything like Jesus did.
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Date: 19 Dec
From: crazed_actor
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Christians don't have a monopoly on proselytizing.
I don't consider myself particularly religious, but just from observation, I
would say that atheists expend just as much energy trying to convince people
that there is no God as Christians do that there is.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 01:13:40
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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"crazed_actor" <43086512@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1166505688$924081@recpoker.com...
>
> Christians don't have a monopoly on proselytizing.
>
> I don't consider myself particularly religious, but just from observation,
> I
> would say that atheists expend just as much energy trying to convince
> people
> that there is no God as Christians do that there is.
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 00:39:28
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Tue, 19 Dec 06 5:21:28 GMT, crazed_actor <43086512@recpoker.com > wrote:
>
>Christians don't have a monopoly on proselytizing.
>
>I don't consider myself particularly religious, but just from observation, I
>would say that atheists expend just as much energy trying to convince people
>that there is no God as Christians do that there is.
Only a few idiots in particular organizations. 99 and 44/100 % just want the
religious people to keep their beliefs to themselves. Poker missionaries were
meant to be eaten -- that's why there's always a big pot handy.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 21:30:22
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 18 2006 10:21 PM, crazed_actor wrote:
> Christians don't have a monopoly on proselytizing.
>
> I don't consider myself particularly religious, but just from observation, I
> would say that atheists expend just as much energy trying to convince people
> that there is no God as Christians do that there is.
I think that in both cases it is the loud and obnoxious minority that gets
all the airtime.
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Date: 20 Dec
From: Kincaid
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Fell couldn't be more correct.
Christians (the learn-ed churchgoing type) believe that all can be saved and
that they should try to "win" your soul for Christ.
I'm a born-again Christian. I believe God gave you the freedom to choose. If
you choose to be Atheist, then I can't really do much about that. However, if
you ever want to discuss my faith with me, my door is open to you. I don't feel
the need to clobber you over the head with it.
Have a good Christmas.
On Dec 18 2006 9:30 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> On Dec 18 2006 10:21 PM, crazed_actor wrote:
>
> > Christians don't have a monopoly on proselytizing.
> >
> > I don't consider myself particularly religious, but just from observation, I
> > would say that atheists expend just as much energy trying to convince people
> > that there is no God as Christians do that there is.
>
> I think that in both cases it is the loud and obnoxious minority that gets
> all the airtime.
>
> Fell
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 16:11:15
From: MelB
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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> Christians (the learn-ed churchgoing type) believe that all can be saved and
> that they should try to "win" your soul for Christ.
>
> I'm a born-again Christian. I believe God gave you the freedom to choose. If
> you choose to be Atheist, then I can't really do much about that. However, if
> you ever want to discuss my faith with me, my door is open to you. I don't feel
> the need to clobber you over the head with it.
>
> Have a good Christmas.
Although I disagree with your theology, I perceive that you are a very
decent person whom I wold be happy to have as a friend or neighbor. Or
poker opponent. 8-)
Unfortunately, many Christians and Christian churches take the position
that their religious obligation to pursuade others to be "saved" via
Christian belief gives them the right, in fact, the obligation, to kill
those who disagree.
Merry Christmas to you, too.
And may Santa be good to you. (Santa is a Pagan figure central to
Christian religious culture. Like Yule logs, holly wreaths, Christmas
trees, and the Easter Bunny, who lays eggs. 8-)
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:45:30
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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James L. Hankins wrote:
> "OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166598323.488361.50990@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Kincaid wrote:
> >> Fell couldn't be more correct.
> >>
> >> Christians (the learn-ed churchgoing type) believe that all can be saved
> >> and
> >> that they should try to "win" your soul for Christ.
> >>
> >> I'm a born-again Christian...
> >
> >
> >
> > Saved from what?
>
>
>
> Original sin you friggin' heathen.
It's utterly laughable that you Christianists assume an answer like
that is adequate or acceptable.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 15:34:04
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 20 2006 1:45 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> James L. Hankins wrote:
> > "OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1166598323.488361.50990@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Kincaid wrote:
> > >> Fell couldn't be more correct.
> > >>
> > >> Christians (the learn-ed churchgoing type) believe that all can be saved
> > >> and
> > >> that they should try to "win" your soul for Christ.
> > >>
> > >> I'm a born-again Christian...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Saved from what?
> >
> >
> >
> > Original sin you friggin' heathen.
>
>
>
> It's utterly laughable that you Christianists assume an answer like
> that is adequate or acceptable.
But you know, he carefully said "friggin'" instead of the word that we all
know he wanted to say, because he didn't want to offend god, even though
god would know the word he was really thinking, right?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:57:54
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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In case you haven't noticed, we do not currently live in ancient
biblical times, and many things have changed since then. Our
relationship with God has also changed since then through Jesus Christ,
as a new covenant was established through him with God. I highly
recommend that you visit this site as it has many of the answers to
your questions.
http://www.carm.org/
MelB wrote:
> >
> > If you read the Bible and UNDERSTAND it, you may have been able to
> > figure this out for yourself. Might I suggest that you visit
> > http://christianlibrary.org/authors/Butch_Walker/nt/bibleunderstanding.htm
> >
> > as reading the Bible and understanding what it means are two differnet
> > things.
>
> Fair enough. You make excellent sense.
>
> Perhaps, then, you might construct a reasonable reply to the following
> letter. It was posted on the Internet, and originally sent to Dr. Laura
> Schlesinger by one of her radio listeners. As I understand it, the good
> doctor has never replied.
>
>
> Dear Dr. Laura:
>
> Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
> have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
> knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
> homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
> 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need
> some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws
> and how to follow them:
>
> When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
> pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
> claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
>
> I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
> 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
>
> I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
> period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how
> do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
>
> Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
> female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
> of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
> clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
>
> I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
> clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
> him myself?
>
> A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
> abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
> I don't agree. Can you settle this?
>
> Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
> defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
> vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
>
> Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
> around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
> 19:27. How should they die?
>
> I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
> unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
>
> My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
> crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
> two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
> curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
> trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? -
> Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
> affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
>
> I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
> can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
> and unchanging.
>
> Your devoted fan,
> Jim
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:44:10
From: MelB
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> In case you haven't noticed, we do not currently live in ancient
> biblical times, and many things have changed since then. Our
> relationship with God has also changed since then through Jesus Christ,
> as a new covenant was established through him with God. I highly
> recommend that you visit this site as it has many of the answers to
> your questions.
>
> http://www.carm.org/
Religious Christians claim to believe what their bible tells them, and
fundamentalist Christians claim to believe literally.
So how and when did the relationship get changed? What is that
relationship today? And was Jesus actually involved in changing the
relationship? Sort of like renegotiating a contract (or covenant, as
religious folks like to say? What did he do and how do you know what it
is that he did? Who signed on behalf of Christian believers?
Are you saying that the questions posed in the letter to Dr. Laura are
now moot, because Christians no longer believe those sections of their
bible? Could you provide a list of the new, revised bible that you and
other Christians do believe in this new, modified Christianity? And on
what authority do you provide said list?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 22:16:37
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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MelB <m5b@cox.net > wrote:
>Are you saying that the questions posed in the letter to Dr. Laura are
>now moot, because Christians no longer believe those sections of their
>bible?
Basically, yes. As Christians believe, Jesus brought a new covenant to
supersede the earlier covenant God made with Abraham.
>Could you provide a list of the new, revised bible that you and
>other Christians do believe in this new, modified Christianity?
It's called the New Testament.
>And on
>what authority do you provide said list?
Christians believe that Jesus is the authority.
Peg
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 15:55:03
From: MelB
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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>> Are you saying that the questions posed in the letter to Dr. Laura are
>> now moot, because Christians no longer believe those sections of their
>> bible?
>
> Basically, yes. As Christians believe, Jesus brought a new covenant to
> supersede the earlier covenant God made with Abraham.
>
>> Could you provide a list of the new, revised bible that you and
>> other Christians do believe in this new, modified Christianity?
>
> It's called the New Testament.
Uh, literally, or are Christians free to cherrypick?
Was King James a prophet? How about Good Times? Or ...
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:17:27
From: Batman
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Well, if it wasn't a rant, it sure sounded like one. As an atheist,
since you don't believe in anything, yes, that's right, I said it, you
can't begin to understand why I do what I do. The life you ascribe to
me as a Christian sounds pretty boring, actually. I'd rather follow the
Great Commission, Matt. 28: 28-30 if you're interested as to why,
however, since it sounds like you've never opened a Bible in your
lifetime, I don't see any reason why you would start now.
Oh, and I don't know why you as a woman would want to bang Shana Hiatt,
however, if I were a woman, I'd probably want to bang her too. As a
guy, my wife complains when I date, so, I don't do it. I'd rather
compute the odds of make a Royal Fizzbin on the turn....
Mike
Writer, http://www.pokerallstar.com
Owner, http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalPoker/
Co-Owner, Pokerholics, the #1 Poker Group on Yahoo!!!
MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
>
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:36:15
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
> the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose , isn't it?
>
On the other hand, this is also a very bad question because it contains
many unwarrented assumptions. To take one assumption at a time, I am
an atheist and I do not believe in:
* Nothing: just because I don't believe in any gods, goddesses, or
afterlife does not mean that I believe in "nothing". I believe that
the world is a marvelous place and that humans, for the most part, are
remarkable creatures who are capable of amazing things.
* Hopelessness: I don't believe that life is hopeless, I just believe
that it is finite. Therefore, I strive to accomplish what I can in the
short time I know I have, rather than fantasizing that I am so special
that I will never ever ever ever die.
* Being created by random chance: Evolution is sort of like poker: each
hand is dealt out randomly, but it is not chance that some players win
and others lose in the long run. The evolution of species is like a
poker game that lasts for millions of years, where the losing players
bust out forever and are replaced by copies of the successful players.
* Having no purpose: I have free will, and I choose my own purpose.
The same thing is true for Christians - they just think there is some
supernatural being judging them on their choices.
- Bob T.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:53:26
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:1166542575.842521.240820@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> * Being created by random chance: Evolution is sort of like poker: each
> hand is dealt out randomly, but it is not chance that some players win
> and others lose in the long run. The evolution of species is like a
> poker game that lasts for millions of years, where the losing players
> bust out forever and are replaced by copies of the successful players.
Now THAT is good post. Very nice!
>
> * Having no purpose: I have free will, and I choose my own purpose.
> The same thing is true for Christians - they just think there is some
> supernatural being judging them on their choices.
Hah!
Please peek at the ATHEIST thread for the free will questioning/discussion.
eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:26:09
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
> the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose , isn't it?
That's actually a good question, in a way. It begs the opposite
question: why do people believe that they will live forever and ever
after death when it seems clear from observation of the world around us
that after living things die, they remain dead and their bodies decay?
Why do so many people prefer wishful thinking to reality?
It's like believing in Santa Claus because you prefer to live in a
world where presents miraculously appear in your living room once a
year.
- Bob T.
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Date: 19 Dec 12:51:55
From: Max Coin
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 18 2006 9:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself
Most of them do.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 04:13:41
From: Jimbo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> So funny, so so funny. The Catholic church is the ORIGINAL christian
> church, and was founded by Jesus' own brother. But, THEIR rituals are
> nonsense? Who are you to say that?
> ------
> brewmaster at brewcam dot com
What bothers me the most about Catholics is this:
A.They have ALL the forensic evidence about Jesus locked up in the
Vatican.
B.They won't let anyone see it.
C. Priests don't seem too worried about going to Hell.
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Date: 19 Dec 10:38:15
From: TheFleece
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19 2006 3:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
My driving instructor used to push his bible teachings on me during lessons, it
made it quite unbearable but he was cheap so I stuck with it.
I drive now, religion works.
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Date: 19 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 18 2006 10:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant
Well it sure as hell turned into one :)
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Date: 19 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 18 2006 10:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
Not really pointed at you but I find it funny how people group people based on
one subject or issue then think they all think alike. I really find it funny
when people talk about Christians and put them all in the same basket. If there
ever was a group of people that should never ever be looked at as a simgle
mindset it Christians. Heck don't people understand they have tons of different
banches?
Do people really feel the Mormons and the holy rollers are the same mindset?
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 23:48:01
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Wow, fictitious person? I can't even argue with ignorance of that
level.
ShuffletownKid wrote:
> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> news:1166513289.250110.149610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
> >
> > I could:
> >
> > A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> > human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> > people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> > fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> > death...let's see am I missing anything else?
> >
> > or
> >
> > B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
> > an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
> > not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
> > above accomplished.
> >
> > WOW...tough decision.
>
> And you pick the ficticious person. If only A Man Beaten By Jacks would have
> picked A Man Whose Dad Is God for a name.
>
>
> > A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> >> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
> >> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose , isn't
> >> >it?
> >>
> >> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not
> >> religionists are
> >> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little fantasy to
> >> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face and be
> >> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
> >
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 03:44:44
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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<jocko911@inbox.com > wrote in message
news:1166514481.044179.166500@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Wow, fictitious person? I can't even argue with ignorance of that
> level.
Your only argument has been one of ignorance. Now you don't have one at all.
Are you ready to accept reality as your personal savior?
> ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166513289.250110.149610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>> > OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
>> >
>> > I could:
>> >
>> > A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
>> > human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
>> > people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
>> > fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
>> > death...let's see am I missing anything else?
>> >
>> > or
>> >
>> > B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
>> > an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
>> > not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
>> > above accomplished.
>> >
>> > WOW...tough decision.
>>
>> And you pick the ficticious person. If only A Man Beaten By Jacks would
>> have
>> picked A Man Whose Dad Is God for a name.
>>
>>
>> > A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
>> >> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
>> >> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose ,
>> >> >isn't
>> >> >it?
>> >>
>> >> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not
>> >> religionists are
>> >> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little fantasy to
>> >> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face and be
>> >> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
>> >
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 14:54:45
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19 2006 12:44 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> news:1166514481.044179.166500@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Wow, fictitious person? I can't even argue with ignorance of that
> > level.
>
> Your only argument has been one of ignorance. Now you don't have one at all.
> Are you ready to accept reality as your personal savior?
Actually, I believe he was talking about Jesus, who (by all accounts) did
exist as a man. I, for one, don't doubt that he was an amazing leader of
men. I just don't believe he was the son of "god". Hey, did you see that
show on Discovery "the real face of Jesus"? He isn't the blond white man
all the christians like to portray, he's a sand ni...um a middle eastern
jewish looking guy.
>
> > ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1166513289.250110.149610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> >> > OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
> >> >
> >> > I could:
> >> >
> >> > A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> >> > human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> >> > people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> >> > fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> >> > death...let's see am I missing anything else?
> >> >
> >> > or
> >> >
> >> > B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
> >> > an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
> >> > not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
> >> > above accomplished.
> >> >
> >> > WOW...tough decision.
> >>
> >> And you pick the ficticious person. If only A Man Beaten By Jacks would
> >> have
> >> picked A Man Whose Dad Is God for a name.
> >>
> >>
> >> > A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> >> >> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
> >> >> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose ,
> >> >> >isn't
> >> >> >it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not
> >> >> religionists are
> >> >> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little fantasy to
> >> >> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face and be
> >> >> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
> >> >
> >
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:17:47
From: kevin cline
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19, 1:28 am, jocko...@inbox.com wrote:
> OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
>
> I could:
>
> A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> death...let's see am I missing anything else?
You are missing or willfully ignoring the fact that there there is no
credible evidence that that man ever existed. This "influential
person" somehow completely escaped mention in any writing by people
living in the region who would have been his contemporary, people who
did report on other prominent figures of that time. The four gospels
were written decades after his supposed death and directly contradict
each other. The references to Jesus in the writings of Josephus are
now commonly understood to have been inserted sometime in the third
century.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:14:38
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Based on your response, maybe you need to hire a good contract attorney
to interpret the bible for you. Seems like common sense and rational
thought aren't working for you here, and you may need some help.
If you need someone, I got a guy who only charges $50/hr for a phone
consultation.
MelB wrote:
> jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> > In case you haven't noticed, we do not currently live in ancient
> > biblical times, and many things have changed since then. Our
> > relationship with God has also changed since then through Jesus Christ,
> > as a new covenant was established through him with God. I highly
> > recommend that you visit this site as it has many of the answers to
> > your questions.
> >
> > http://www.carm.org/
>
> Religious Christians claim to believe what their bible tells them, and
> fundamentalist Christians claim to believe literally.
>
> So how and when did the relationship get changed? What is that
> relationship today? And was Jesus actually involved in changing the
> relationship? Sort of like renegotiating a contract (or covenant, as
> religious folks like to say? What did he do and how do you know what it
> is that he did? Who signed on behalf of Christian believers?
>
> Are you saying that the questions posed in the letter to Dr. Laura are
> now moot, because Christians no longer believe those sections of their
> bible? Could you provide a list of the new, revised bible that you and
> other Christians do believe in this new, modified Christianity? And on
> what authority do you provide said list?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:58:17
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Why are you upset that Brewmeister agrees with me here?
And when did contemporary sources become a criteria for something or
someone to exist.
I know, it's just a 2000 year old conspiracy...LOL.
I also find it funny that you are so blined by your hatred and
ignorance that you can't even spell JESUS's name in your post.
eleaticus wrote:
> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> news:1166586839.730273.196010@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > Well Brewmeister,
> >
> > At least we can agree that a man named Jesus did exist, and the post by
> > shuffletownkid reffering to Jesus as a fictitious person was completely
> > ignorant.
>
> You really are ignorant, aren't you.
>
> Name one then-contemporary source for J's existence.
>
> --
> eleaticus
> ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> eleaticus@bellsouth.net
>
> >
> >
> > Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> > > On Dec 19 2006 12:44 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> > >
> > > > <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1166514481.044179.166500@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > Wow, fictitious person? I can't even argue with ignorance of that
> > > > > level.
> > > >
> > > > Your only argument has been one of ignorance. Now you don't have one
> at all.
> > > > Are you ready to accept reality as your personal savior?
> > >
> > > Actually, I believe he was talking about Jesus, who (by all accounts)
> did
> > > exist as a man. I, for one, don't doubt that he was an amazing leader
> of
> > > men. I just don't believe he was the son of "god". Hey, did you see
> that
> > > show on Discovery "the real face of Jesus"? He isn't the blond white
> man
> > > all the christians like to portray, he's a sand ni...um a middle eastern
> > > jewish looking guy.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > ShuffletownKid wrote:
> > > > >> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:1166513289.250110.149610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >> > OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I could:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person
> in
> > > > >> > human history, performed miracles, has had a following by
> millions of
> > > > >> > people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> > > > >> > fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> > > > >> > death...let's see am I missing anything else?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > or
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent
> poster in
> > > > >> > an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most
> likely has
> > > > >> > not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have
> mentioned
> > > > >> > above accomplished.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > WOW...tough decision.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And you pick the ficticious person. If only A Man Beaten By Jacks
> would
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> picked A Man Whose Dad Is God for a name.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> > > > >> >> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing,
> hopelessness, and
> > > > >> >> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose
> ,
> > > > >> >> >isn't
> > > > >> >> >it?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not
> > > > >> >> religionists are
> > > > >> >> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little
> fantasy to
> > > > >> >> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face
> and be
> > > > >> >> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------
> > > brewmaster at brewcam dot com
> > >
> > > "Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places
> if
> > > you look at it right" -RH
> > >
> > > -------
> > > RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
> >
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 00:24:49
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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<jocko911@inbox.com > wrote in message
news:1166590697.132454.104750@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Why are you upset that Brewmeister agrees with me here?
>
> And when did contemporary sources become a criteria for something or
> someone to exist.
>
> I know, it's just a 2000 year old conspiracy...LOL.
>
> I also find it funny that you are so blined by your hatred and
> ignorance that you can't even spell JESUS's name in your post.
That's idiocy. At the most it is 1900 year old conspiracy (which doesn't
make it even in the same ballpark as the world-on-a-turtle's-back
conspiracy, or the man-came-from-underground-into-this-Third-world
conspiracy).
If the great age of the first appearance of an idiocy makes it likely to be
true, then the Christ concept is about 200:1 against being false, at best.
Innyhoo, the resurrection+ascendance thing shows up only 40 or so years
after the earliest copy of Mark, dated to 60-65AD (anno delusion).
--
eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:25:12
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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ben carr wrote:
> One question for the cathlics who read this. Where in the bible are
> there any references to everyone saying the same prayers or even one
> person repeating a prayer? As far as I know there are absolutely none.
LOL! Typical of a Southern Baptist or a Jehovahs Witness question. You
guys don't even read the entire Bible. Read Matthew 26: 44, come back
and tell us what it says.
In addition to the above verse, how about a simple quiz to you. Go look
for "pray without ceasing" and "pray like this", discern what they
mean, come back and discuss.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 16:19:31
From: MelB
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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> In addition to the above verse, how about a simple quiz to you. Go look
> for "pray without ceasing" and "pray like this", discern what they
> mean, come back and discuss.
>
Obviously, "pray without ceasing" means that you have no time to find
out what it means to "pray like this," or todiscuss what you learn, or
to post on RGP.
So, whutcha doon here?
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 02:52:32
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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I really dont understand why we need someone to help us get gods
attention. That seems to be what you are repeating , deacon paul. The
saints are there to help connect to god, mary too. I find that notion
rediculous. Even if you dont believe it, they were no better than the
rest of us. God hears my prayers whether a saint helps or not.
And as for the idea that a priest can forgive your sins- that is totally
made up. They dont know what god wants any more that I do. Where doest
that idea come from? My biggest concern with cathilics is how they
believe the common person isnt as important or close to god as the
religious figures. This is the worst example, but a child moleting
priest, not saying they all do that, has no ability to forgive anything.
You look up to those people like they are better than you. They are not.
Even the saints and mary were sinners. I know you probably dont think
mary ever didn anything wrong, but im sure she did. Heck, an unwed
pregnant teen living with her boyfriend? For me religion is my
relationship with god, not my relationship with dead people and
authority figures. If all of the rituals help you then go for it. To me
they seem to get in the way of the truth.
One question for the cathlics who read this. Where in the bible are
there any references to everyone saying the same prayers or even one
person repeating a prayer? As far as I know there are absolutely none.
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Date: 21 Dec 2006 00:28:58
From: Stud Poker Guy
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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>>Ireally dont understand why we need someone to help us get gods
attention. That seems to be what you are repeating , deacon paul
You don't; prayers directly to God are just fine. Saints are thsoe
people the Church has declared to be in heaven after a thorough
investigation. People often ask for their prayers though on their
behalf, just as I'd ask for prayers from a friend or family member.
>>And as for the idea that a priest can forgive your sins- that is
totally
made up. They dont know what god wants any more that I do. Where doest
that idea come from?
From Matthew 16:9: "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven,
and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Christ is
addressing Peter; we believe the authority to act in Christ's name was
passed on to Peter and to those who through the sacrament of Holy
Orders followed him. God forgives the sin; the priest acts in his name.
Furthermore, we look to John 20:21-23: "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you
forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of
any, they are retained"
As for your question on saying the same prayers, we are instructed to
baptize always in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy
Spirit. Christ's teaching His apostles to pray the Lord's Prayer is
another example; like I said though one certainly doesn't have to pray
the Rosary or Lord's Prayer, as there are many types of spirituality.
Dcn. Paul
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:38:48
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19 2006 8:58 PM, jocko911 wrote:
> Why are you upset that Brewmeister agrees with me here?
Brewmeister, I like that, but I have a looooong way to go to move from
master to meister. I have trouble even adhering to Reiheitsgebot.
>
> And when did contemporary sources become a criteria for something or
> someone to exist.
>
> I know, it's just a 2000 year old conspiracy...LOL.
>
> I also find it funny that you are so blined by your hatred and
> ignorance that you can't even spell JESUS's name in your post.
>
>
>
>
> eleaticus wrote:
> > <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > news:1166586839.730273.196010@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > > Well Brewmeister,
> > >
> > > At least we can agree that a man named Jesus did exist, and the post by
> > > shuffletownkid reffering to Jesus as a fictitious person was completely
> > > ignorant.
> >
> > You really are ignorant, aren't you.
> >
> > Name one then-contemporary source for J's existence.
> >
> > --
> > eleaticus
> > ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> > eleaticus@bellsouth.net
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> > > > On Dec 19 2006 12:44 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1166514481.044179.166500@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > Wow, fictitious person? I can't even argue with ignorance of that
> > > > > > level.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your only argument has been one of ignorance. Now you don't have one
> > at all.
> > > > > Are you ready to accept reality as your personal savior?
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I believe he was talking about Jesus, who (by all accounts)
> > did
> > > > exist as a man. I, for one, don't doubt that he was an amazing leader
> > of
> > > > men. I just don't believe he was the son of "god". Hey, did you see
> > that
> > > > show on Discovery "the real face of Jesus"? He isn't the blond white
> > man
> > > > all the christians like to portray, he's a sand ni...um a middle
eastern
> > > > jewish looking guy.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ShuffletownKid wrote:
> > > > > >> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> news:1166513289.250110.149610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> > OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I could:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person
> > in
> > > > > >> > human history, performed miracles, has had a following by
> > millions of
> > > > > >> > people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> > > > > >> > fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> > > > > >> > death...let's see am I missing anything else?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > or
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent
> > poster in
> > > > > >> > an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most
> > likely has
> > > > > >> > not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have
> > mentioned
> > > > > >> > above accomplished.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > WOW...tough decision.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> And you pick the ficticious person. If only A Man Beaten By Jacks
> > would
> > > > > >> have
> > > > > >> picked A Man Whose Dad Is God for a name.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> > > > > >> >> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing,
> > hopelessness, and
> > > > > >> >> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no
purpose
> > ,
> > > > > >> >> >isn't
> > > > > >> >> >it?
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not
> > > > > >> >> religionists are
> > > > > >> >> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little
> > fantasy to
> > > > > >> >> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face
> > and be
> > > > > >> >> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------
> > > > brewmaster at brewcam dot com
> > > >
> > > > "Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places
> > if
> > > > you look at it right" -RH
> > > >
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:01:19
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Polygraph Test...HAHAHA....man I got a good laugh out of that one.
"After the results you would find a rather atheistic leaning."
---Pretty big assumption wouldn't you say?
ShuffletownKid wrote:
> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> news:1166511375.962483.69350@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > LOL...I guess it is an easy sell when a measly 3.8% of the world's
> > population is athiestic.
>
> Since you said atheistic, not atheist, I would challenge that 96.2% to a
> polygraph test. After the results you would find a rather atheistic leaning.
> Of course, your percentages are meaningless anyway. You would have to start
> with the relevant percentage of the population. What is the percent of the
> population capable of formulating an opinion based on fact?
>
> > Also, I do not use what is at the core of atheism (believing in
> > nothing, hopelessness, and the fact humans were created by random
> > chance and have no purpose) to spread Christ's message. In fact, I use
> > just the opposite.
>
> Atheism is not believing in god/s. I think you will find reality is abundant
> with all life has to offer. Accept reality as your personal savior.
>
>
> >
> > ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1166509367.372406.273780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
> >> > the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose , isn't
> >> > it?
> >>
> >> No, that's an easy sell. That's exactly what you use to convience the
> >> ignorant and stupid that they can have a meaningful life and live forever
> >> with God.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >> >> "crazed_actor" <43086512@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1166505688$924081@recpoker.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Christians don't have a monopoly on proselytizing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't consider myself particularly religious, but just from
> >> >> > observation,
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > would say that atheists expend just as much energy trying to
> >> >> > convince
> >> >> > people
> >> >> > that there is no God as Christians do that there is.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _______________________________________________________________
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Have a lot atheist out knocking on doors in your neighborhood?
> >> >
> >
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:53:59
From:
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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Well Brewmeister,
At least we can agree that a man named Jesus did exist, and the post by
shuffletownkid reffering to Jesus as a fictitious person was completely
ignorant.
Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> On Dec 19 2006 12:44 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>
> > <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > news:1166514481.044179.166500@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > > Wow, fictitious person? I can't even argue with ignorance of that
> > > level.
> >
> > Your only argument has been one of ignorance. Now you don't have one at all.
> > Are you ready to accept reality as your personal savior?
>
> Actually, I believe he was talking about Jesus, who (by all accounts) did
> exist as a man. I, for one, don't doubt that he was an amazing leader of
> men. I just don't believe he was the son of "god". Hey, did you see that
> show on Discovery "the real face of Jesus"? He isn't the blond white man
> all the christians like to portray, he's a sand ni...um a middle eastern
> jewish looking guy.
>
> >
> > > ShuffletownKid wrote:
> > >> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1166513289.250110.149610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
> > >> >
> > >> > I could:
> > >> >
> > >> > A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person in
> > >> > human history, performed miracles, has had a following by millions of
> > >> > people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> > >> > fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> > >> > death...let's see am I missing anything else?
> > >> >
> > >> > or
> > >> >
> > >> > B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent poster in
> > >> > an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most likely has
> > >> > not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have mentioned
> > >> > above accomplished.
> > >> >
> > >> > WOW...tough decision.
> > >>
> > >> And you pick the ficticious person. If only A Man Beaten By Jacks would
> > >> have
> > >> picked A Man Whose Dad Is God for a name.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> > >> >> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing, hopelessness, and
> > >> >> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose ,
> > >> >> >isn't
> > >> >> >it?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not
> > >> >> religionists are
> > >> >> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little fantasy to
> > >> >> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face and be
> > >> >> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
> > >> >
> > >
>
>
> ------
> brewmaster at brewcam dot com
>
> "Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if
> you look at it right" -RH
>
> -------
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 22:23:51
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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<jocko911@inbox.com > wrote in message
news:1166586839.730273.196010@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> Well Brewmeister,
>
> At least we can agree that a man named Jesus did exist, and the post by
> shuffletownkid reffering to Jesus as a fictitious person was completely
> ignorant.
You really are ignorant, aren't you.
Name one then-contemporary source for J's existence.
--
eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net
>
>
> Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> > On Dec 19 2006 12:44 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >
> > > <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1166514481.044179.166500@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Wow, fictitious person? I can't even argue with ignorance of that
> > > > level.
> > >
> > > Your only argument has been one of ignorance. Now you don't have one
at all.
> > > Are you ready to accept reality as your personal savior?
> >
> > Actually, I believe he was talking about Jesus, who (by all accounts)
did
> > exist as a man. I, for one, don't doubt that he was an amazing leader
of
> > men. I just don't believe he was the son of "god". Hey, did you see
that
> > show on Discovery "the real face of Jesus"? He isn't the blond white
man
> > all the christians like to portray, he's a sand ni...um a middle eastern
> > jewish looking guy.
> >
> > >
> > > > ShuffletownKid wrote:
> > > >> <jocko911@inbox.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:1166513289.250110.149610@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> > OK, let me rethink this whole thing over.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I could:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > A. Listen and believe a man who is the most influential person
in
> > > >> > human history, performed miracles, has had a following by
millions of
> > > >> > people for over 2000 years, proclaimed himself the son of God,
> > > >> > fullfilled thousand year old prophecies, raised himself from
> > > >> > death...let's see am I missing anything else?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > or
> > > >> >
> > > >> > B. I could listen to you. Some insignificant, unintelligent
poster in
> > > >> > an obscure online newsgroup, who has no following, and most
likely has
> > > >> > not accomplished 1/1,000,000,000 of what the person I have
mentioned
> > > >> > above accomplished.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > WOW...tough decision.
> > > >>
> > > >> And you pick the ficticious person. If only A Man Beaten By Jacks
would
> > > >> have
> > > >> picked A Man Whose Dad Is God for a name.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> > > >> >> On 18 Dec 2006 22:22:47 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >Kinda hard to sell people on believing in nothing,
hopelessness, and
> > > >> >> >the fact they were created by random chance and have no purpose
,
> > > >> >> >isn't
> > > >> >> >it?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Reality doesn't need to be "sold." It's there whether or not
> > > >> >> religionists are
> > > >> >> too weak-minded to face it, and have to have a happy little
fantasy to
> > > >> >> distract them from a reality which takes a strong mind to face
and be
> > > >> >> happy at the same time. Delusion is for the weak.
> > > >> >
> > > >
> >
> >
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> > you look at it right" -RH
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 15:50:15
From: Aboo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 18 2006 11:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
"If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
a Rosary, "
That's Catholicism , not Christianity. Believe it or not, they are not
the same thing. Catholics teach a very different way to heaven than
Christians do.
" reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
lottery "
I do this all the time. Of course, in the bible it tells us that we are
supposed to tell others about him, witness it calls it. However, no where
does it instruct anyone to ram it down anyone's throat. He just doesn't
want anyone to have an excuse when he comes back and be able to say "I've
never even heard your name!".
" and banging Shana Hiatt. "
I do this too. Not real Christian of me, but we all sin and fall short of
the glory of God.
"I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
others about something I don't believe in "
I would never think of doing this.
"and that can never be proved in this lifetime."
It's called faith. Some find it, some don't. Some find it in other
things. We were not asked to give you faith. Just the message, that you
can interpret as you will. As long as the witness is shared, technically
we have done our job. People take this to outlandish extremes though. :(
The bible says that Christ shared his salvation with two murderer's while
hanging on the cross with them. One accepted what he was told, one
didn't. The bible didn't say anything about Jesus kicking the crap out of
the guy who didn't believe him.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:05:46
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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"Aboo" <jhemphill@ndbh.com > wrote in message
news:neam54xdaf.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 18 2006 11:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
>
> "If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass,
saying
> a Rosary, "
>
> That's Catholicism , not Christianity. Believe it or not, they are not
> the same thing. Catholics teach a very different way to heaven than
> Christians do.
>
>
> " reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery "
>
>
> I do this all the time. Of course, in the bible it tells us that we are
> supposed to tell others about him, witness it calls it. However, no where
> does it instruct anyone to ram it down anyone's throat. He just doesn't
> want anyone to have an excuse when he comes back and be able to say "I've
> never even heard your name!".
So God is evil enough to punish you for not believing ancient hearsay?
>
>
> " and banging Shana Hiatt. "
>
> I do this too. Not real Christian of me, but we all sin and fall short of
> the glory of God.
Where in the bible does it say banging Shana is a no no?
> The bible says that Christ shared his salvation with two murderer's while
> hanging on the cross with them. One accepted what he was told, one
> didn't. The bible didn't say anything about Jesus kicking the crap out of
> the guy who didn't believe him.
Why do it himself if the 'other' God is going to send them to hell?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:14:13
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19 2006 3:50 PM, Aboo wrote:
> On Dec 18 2006 11:06 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
>
> "If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, "
>
> That's Catholicism , not Christianity. Believe it or not, they are not
> the same thing. Catholics teach a very different way to heaven than
> Christians do.
Sex with young boys?
>
>
> " reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery "
>
>
> I do this all the time. Of course, in the bible it tells us that we are
> supposed to tell others about him, witness it calls it. However, no where
> does it instruct anyone to ram it down anyone's throat. He just doesn't
> want anyone to have an excuse when he comes back and be able to say "I've
> never even heard your name!".
>
>
> " and banging Shana Hiatt. "
>
> I do this too. Not real Christian of me, but we all sin and fall short of
> the glory of God.
>
>
> "I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I don't believe in "
>
> I would never think of doing this.
>
>
> "and that can never be proved in this lifetime."
>
> It's called faith. Some find it, some don't. Some find it in other
> things. We were not asked to give you faith. Just the message, that you
> can interpret as you will. As long as the witness is shared, technically
> we have done our job. People take this to outlandish extremes though. :(
> The bible says that Christ shared his salvation with two murderer's while
> hanging on the cross with them. One accepted what he was told, one
> didn't. The bible didn't say anything about Jesus kicking the crap out of
> the guy who didn't believe him.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 11:55:07
From: silicisparietis21
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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MarlaSinger wrote:
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
>
> First off to be a christian does not mean you have to say a rosary,this is a more common practice amongst catholics. Also as a part of being a "christian", one believing that Jesus of Nazereth was GOD and believeing all that he preached, means not only that you go to church, read the bible, and pray, but to preach his word to non-believers so that maybe, just maybe somewhere down the road their views might change. So we always offer them a different choice than just plainly believing that all of this came from nothing.
One question for you...where do you believe all this came from?
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Date: 20 Dec 11:38:52
From: TheFleece
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 20 2006 5:55 AM, silicisparietis21 wrote:
> MarlaSinger wrote:
> > This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> > never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> > energy
> > railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> > origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> > christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> > (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> > chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> > instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> > their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
> >
> > We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> > moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> > your time.
> >
> > If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> > a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> > lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> > I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> > others about something I
> > don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
> >
> > First off to be a christian does not mean you have to say a rosary,this is a
> > more common practice amongst catholics. Also as a part of being a
> > "christian", one believing that Jesus of Nazereth was GOD and
> > believeing all that he preached, means not only that you go to
> > church, read the bible, and pray, but to preach his word to
> > non-believers so that maybe, just maybe somewhere down the road
> > their views might change. So we always offer them a different
> > choice than just plainly believing that all of this came from
> > nothing.
> One question for you...where do you believe all this came from?
I have no idea where 'all this came from'. The difference between the two of us
is I don't require an answer to that question whereas you have chosen to accept
one that cannot be proved or disproved. At the end of the day I believe we both
have no idea 'where all this came from' but we'll both carry on quite contently
in our own way.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 11:42:15
From: silicisparietis21
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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First off to be a christian does not mean you have to say a rosary this
is a more common practice amongst catholics. As a part of being a
christian you not only go to church, read the bible, and pray, but you
must also try to preach the word to non-believerseven when they will
not accept it because maybe, just maybe somewhere down the road there
views will change.
One more question for you...where do you think the world and universe
came from?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:21:17
From: KilgoreTrout
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19 2006 2:42 PM, silicisparietis21 wrote:
> First off to be a christian does not mean you have to say a rosary this
> is a more common practice amongst catholics. As a part of being a
> christian you not only go to church, read the bible, and pray, but you
> must also try to preach the word to non-believerseven when they will
> not accept it because maybe, just maybe somewhere down the road there
> views will change.
And then you get credit for converting another heathen.
That's, like, mad props at the pearly gates, dudes.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:04:26
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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"MarlaSinger" <a1728@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:nj8k54xthb.ln2@recgroups.com...
> This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> energy
> railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
>
> We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> your time.
>
> If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> others about something I
> don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
A serious question for you... why do atheists spend so much time
talking about religion? For some, it's their life's work!
If you don't believe, why is religion your favorite topic of conversation?
Mark
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 15:11:32
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 20 2006 10:04 AM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> "MarlaSinger" <a1728@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:nj8k54xthb.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > This is not a rant and I'd appreciate a serious answer. One thing I've
> > never understood about christians is why they spend so much time and
> > energy
> > railing against people who have come to different conclusions about the
> > origins of their life and of the universe. If you're a forty year old
> > christian it means you've already used up more than half of your life
> > (Give or take an infinity in heaven or hell.). I'd think you'd be out
> > chasing wine, women and song, or at least be doing something productive,
> > instead of wasting your few remaining years trying to convince adults that
> > their thought processes are not as well developed as yours is.
> >
> > We atheists don't believe there is a life for us beyond this life and your
> > moronic notion that we should believe as you do only serves as a waste of
> > your time.
> >
> > If I was a christian I'd devote my remaining days to going to Mass, saying
> > a Rosary, reading the bible, enjoying myself and dreaming of winning the
> > lottery and banging Shana Hiatt.
> > I sure as hell wouldn't waste even a minute of it trying to convince
> > others about something I
> > don't believe in and that can never be proved in this lifetime.
>
> A serious question for you... why do atheists spend so much time
> talking about religion? For some, it's their life's work!
> If you don't believe, why is religion your favorite topic of conversation?
>
> Mark
> --
> www.myspace.com/diputsur
I think it is because most atheists are intelligent, and like to have
lively conversations that invoke thought. And it is fun to stir up
religion heads.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 17:26:30
From: WuzYoungOnceToo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 20, 5:11 pm, "Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster"
<ae2d...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> I think it is because most atheists are intelligent, and like to have
> lively conversations that invoke thought.
On average I haven't found atheists to be any more intelligent than the
general population. To be sure, many are...but just as many are as
dumb as their theistic counterparts. I have also met (and know of)
many brilliant theists (and of course, many stupid ones.)
> And it is fun to stir up religion heads.
I've read your posts for a while now (that is, when you're not
pretending to leave for good) and I can assure you that you haven't
stirred anyone up yet.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 17:22:26
From: WuzYoungOnceToo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 20, 5:09 pm, "Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster"
<ae2d...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>
> Don't know why I'm replying to YOU but,
Because you're so weak-willed that you're powerless to control your own
actions?
> Yes, I know that meister means master in German.
>
> That being said, it is MUCH harder to attain the level of Brewmeister in
> Germany than Brewmaster almost anywhere else in the world. The German
> beer standards are much higher. As far as my misspelling of the German
> Beer Purity Law of 1516, it was a typo. It was late last night and I was
> a bit drunk.
>
> I know you know EVERYTHING wuzyung
I think you have me confused with Gary Carson. There's a lot of stuff
I don't know. Like...well...most things. But I do know some things.
> but are you setup to make a classic
> German Pilsner using an all grain triple decoction mash?
Sure. But that's a question about equipment, not knowledge (nor
inclination for that matter.)
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:56:33
From: WuzYoungOnceToo
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 19, 11:38 pm, "Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster"
<ae2d...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>
> Brewmeister, I like that, but I have a looooong way to go to move from
> master to meister. I have trouble even adhering to Reiheitsgebot.
Uhm.....in reference to the pracitioner of a trade or art, the German
"meister" is the same as "master" in English. Oh, and you dropped an
"n" from "Reinheitsgebot".
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 15:09:43
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Question for the Christians.
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On Dec 20 2006 1:56 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:
> On Dec 19, 11:38 pm, "Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster"
> <ae2d...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Brewmeister, I like that, but I have a looooong way to go to move from
> > master to meister. I have trouble even adhering to Reiheitsgebot.
>
> Uhm.....in reference to the pracitioner of a trade or art, the German
> "meister" is the same as "master" in English. Oh, and you dropped an
> "n" from "Reinheitsgebot".
Don't know why I'm replying to YOU but,
Yes, I know that meister means master in German.
That being said, it is MUCH harder to attain the level of Brewmeister in
Germany than Brewmaster almost anywhere else in the world. The German
beer standards are much higher. As far as my misspelling of the German
Beer Purity Law of 1516, it was a typo. It was late last night and I was
a bit drunk.
I know you know EVERYTHING wuzyung, but are you setup to make a classic
German Pilsner using an all grain triple decoction mash?
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