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Date: 18 Dec 2006 06:03:37
From: tillius
Subject: Push, Call or Fold?
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Here's a short hand history from a live tourney I played in Saturday
night.
The 1st hand is just there so you know what just happened. I don't
think I was on tilt, but the history is there for consideration anyway.
The 2nd hand is the one I'm wondering about?
Blinds 4000/2000
My Stack: 43000
My Position: UTG
My Hand: AA
BET: 12000
Fold to BB
BB Calls
FLOP: A22
BB: CHECK
Me: BET 8000
BB: Call for 6000 (All In)
BB Shows: 28
Turn: J
River 8
Next Hand
BUT: has: 8000
SB Has: 38000
My Stack: 21000
I post BB: 4000
My remaining stack: 17000
My hand: QcKc
Fold to BUTTON
Butt all in: 8000
SB Calls
I call
Flop 10h 5c Jc
SB: Bet 10000
Do I Fold, Call, or Push here?
Tillman
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:26:16
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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tillius wrote:
> Do I Fold, Call, or Push here?
Push, only because once I decided to play, I forgot to push pre-flop.
Or I suppose call. Since the last 3k probably has zero fold equity.
Fold, really? If I can't call/raise this hand in this situation, I
shouldn't have been playing it in the first place. You do not have
enough time left to play KQ suited, and only play if you make your hand
on the flop. It is a darn fine flop for your hand, you gotta play the
hand god gave you, and if you don't win, oh well.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 10:50:33
From: tillius
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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I should have ignored the first hand. It is only provided to illustrate
what tilted me.
Had I ingored it, I would have pushed.
The fold was a bad move because it crippled me anyway, and put me
further on tilt.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 10:12:23
From: jarrett40
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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Chandler wrote:
> I call in a New York second. You are getting great odds to draw to the
> second to nut or even nut straight and flush. With just 4XBB remaining
> in my stack and the SB coming up I probably even push to try to double
> up plus and give myself a chipstack to play with or push out the SB...
> The latter, probably tough to do here.
The SB has bet 10000 into a 24000 pot. If you go all in with your
remaining 13000 making the pot 47000 he'd have to be brain dead to fold
to a mere 3000 raise.
Calling is not an option because your remaining 3000 is going to get in
the pot anyway.
Folding is not an option because you are not a dog in the hand.This is
your chance to basically win the tournament.
Going all in is the logical choice.
jarrett40
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 09:59:05
From: jarrett40
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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tillius wrote:
> Next Hand
>
> BUT: has: 8000
> SB Has: 38000
> My Stack: 21000
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> I post BB: 4000
> My remaining stack: 17000
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> My hand: QcKc
> Fold to BUTTON
> Butt all in: 8000
> SB Calls
> I call
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> Flop 10h 5c Jc
> SB: Bet 10000
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>
> Do I Fold, Call, or Push here?
First hand is to be ignored because it has nothing to do with the
second.
Calling is not an option. You would only have 3000 left if you called.
Surely you know it would go in on the turn.
I would push all in here. You have a chance to knock out one and
cripple the other and you're at least even to win the hand.
jarrett40
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> Tillman
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 09:47:10
From: Chandler
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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tillius wrote:
> Here's a short hand history from a live tourney I played in Saturday
> night.
>
> The 1st hand is just there so you know what just happened. I don't
> think I was on tilt, but the history is there for consideration anyway.
>
> The 2nd hand is the one I'm wondering about?
>
> Blinds 4000/2000
>
> My Stack: 43000
> My Position: UTG
> My Hand: AA
> BET: 12000
> Fold to BB
> BB Calls
>
> FLOP: A22
> BB: CHECK
> Me: BET 8000
> BB: Call for 6000 (All In)
> BB Shows: 28
>
> Turn: J
>
> River 8
>
>
> Next Hand
>
> BUT: has: 8000
> SB Has: 38000
> My Stack: 21000
>
> I post BB: 4000
> My remaining stack: 17000
>
> My hand: QcKc
> Fold to BUTTON
> Butt all in: 8000
> SB Calls
> I call
>
> Flop 10h 5c Jc
> SB: Bet 10000
>
>
> Do I Fold, Call, or Push here?
>
> Tillman
I call in a New York second. You are getting great odds to draw to the
second to nut or even nut straight and flush. With just 4XBB remaining
in my stack and the SB coming up I probably even push to try to double
up plus and give myself a chipstack to play with or push out the SB...
The latter, probably tough to do here.
Chandler
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:59:10
From: tillius
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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On Dec 18, 9:15 am, CHarrison100 <43084...@recpoker.com > wrote:
>I'm lost didn't you win? AAA22 over 22288?
I'm sorry, I posted that wrong. The river was a 2, quad 2's beat me.
> In the position you describe I would push but if you had won the pot before as I
> suspect you did then a call would be my move. You have too many outs to ignore
> any 9 any A any club.
And I folded! My mistake, that first hand got to me and I wasn't ready
to go home yet.
BTW, the turn was an A and the river a club, the the SB had some
rediculous hand that was un-cooridinated with the flop in every way.
His bet was to push me out and it worked.
I also lost the next two hands, the first with a Qhigh straight to a
Khigh straight, and the second with a small boat beaten by a bigger
one. Then I went home.
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Date: 18 Dec 14:15:25
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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On Dec 18 2006 9:03 AM, tillius wrote:
> Here's a short hand history from a live tourney I played in Saturday
> night.
>
> The 1st hand is just there so you know what just happened. I don't
> think I was on tilt, but the history is there for consideration anyway.
>
> The 2nd hand is the one I'm wondering about?
>
> Blinds 4000/2000
>
> My Stack: 43000
> My Position: UTG
> My Hand: AA
> BET: 12000
> Fold to BB
> BB Calls
>
> FLOP: A22
> BB: CHECK
> Me: BET 8000
> BB: Call for 6000 (All In)
> BB Shows: 28
>
> Turn: J
>
> River 8
>
I'm lost didn't you win? AAA22 over 22288?
>
> Next Hand
>
> BUT: has: 8000
> SB Has: 38000
> My Stack: 21000
>
> I post BB: 4000
> My remaining stack: 17000
>
> My hand: QcKc
> Fold to BUTTON
> Butt all in: 8000
> SB Calls
> I call
>
> Flop 10h 5c Jc
> SB: Bet 10000
>
>
> Do I Fold, Call, or Push here?
In the position you describe I would push but if you had won the pot before as I
suspect you did then a call would be my move. You have too many outs to ignore
any 9 any A any club.
>
> Tillman
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:37:25
From: tillius
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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I should have ignored the first hand. It is only provided to illustrate
what tilted me.
Had I ingored it, I would have pushed.
The fold was a bad move because it crippled me anyway, and put me
further on tilt.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 03:00:48
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Push, Call or Fold?
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I say push push push.Anywhere during this hand is a good time to push.
Before the flop, after the flop, hell go all in blind.
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