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Date: 16 Dec 23:39:05
From: estebanAA
Subject: Proof there is a GOD
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for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact that you
would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
The grief you feel when you lose a love one. do you think a dog gives a dam if
they lose a brother or sister.
man has know since the began of time that there is a higher power .its different
from culture to culture .but the basic theory exist .
the world is so complicated that if any one thing changed even 2 % we would all
be dead . If we were 2 % closer to the sun it would be to hot and all the ice
would melt - if we were 2 % further from the sun it would be to cold and all the
world would be iced over. from gravity to the speed the earth rotates - all
designed by a greater power.
the life cycle from new born to old age - we are all dependent on one another -
could you imagine a world with no compassion -- no one would raise the children
or that care of the elderly - a world with no morals - rape , abuse ,insect,
murder, .
God is built into each of us- from your sadness to your joy. there are parts of
the world where there is no "God". Some countries in Africa - There are no
church in every town like here . aids is rampant -- no laws - people are treated
like animals. that is what happens when God is not thought . and we and all
others need to help those poor folks.
you cry when your aces get crack - mothers in Africa cry when they cant feed
there children and they die .
Ive seen men with no God in them . so keep asking for proof -- and you will get
it.. Judgement Day is coming for all of us.
proof is an eternity in hell . estebanAA
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 23:02:19
From: Ron Dworkin
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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Sng wrote:
> What do you suppose god thinks about people who borrow money to gamble,
> then instead of paying them back, use the money to gamble some more.
> Then after winning, instead of using the winnings to pay them back, they
> gamble some more, then blow it all.
>
> Do you think god likes that?
these are the kind of people that "find" God
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Date: 17 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Dec 17 2006 7:02 AM, Ron Dworkin wrote:
> Sng wrote:
> > What do you suppose god thinks about people who borrow money to gamble,
> > then instead of paying them back, use the money to gamble some more.
> > Then after winning, instead of using the winnings to pay them back, they
> > gamble some more, then blow it all.
> >
> > Do you think god likes that?
>
> these are the kind of people that "find" God
Oh...so god was lost? :-)
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Date: 17 Dec
From: Vegas Vic
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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esteban AA your as big a muckraker as me. Good job.
On Dec 16 2006 3:39 PM, estebanAA wrote:
> for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
>
> The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact that
> you
> would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
>
> The grief you feel when you lose a love one. do you think a dog gives a dam if
> they lose a brother or sister.
>
> man has know since the began of time that there is a higher power .its
> different
> from culture to culture .but the basic theory exist .
>
> the world is so complicated that if any one thing changed even 2 % we would
> all
> be dead . If we were 2 % closer to the sun it would be to hot and all the ice
> would melt - if we were 2 % further from the sun it would be to cold and all
> the
> world would be iced over. from gravity to the speed the earth rotates - all
> designed by a greater power.
>
> the life cycle from new born to old age - we are all dependent on one another
> -
> could you imagine a world with no compassion -- no one would raise the
> children
> or that care of the elderly - a world with no morals - rape , abuse ,insect,
> murder, .
>
> God is built into each of us- from your sadness to your joy. there are parts
> of
> the world where there is no "God". Some countries in Africa - There are no
> church in every town like here . aids is rampant -- no laws - people are
> treated
> like animals. that is what happens when God is not thought . and we and all
> others need to help those poor folks.
>
> you cry when your aces get crack - mothers in Africa cry when they cant feed
> there children and they die .
>
>
> Ive seen men with no God in them . so keep asking for proof -- and you will
> get
> it.. Judgement Day is coming for all of us.
>
>
>
> proof is an eternity in hell . estebanAA
>
>
>
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 02:09:07
From: 455
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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shut up fag
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 20:45:27
From: Sng
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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What do you suppose god thinks about people who borrow money to gamble,
then instead of paying them back, use the money to gamble some more.
Then after winning, instead of using the winnings to pay them back, they
gamble some more, then blow it all.
Do you think god likes that?
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Date: 17 Dec
From: str8jacket
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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Congratulations, you have written the dumbest thing I have read in my entire
life. It must have been divinely inspired.
If you play poker with that kind of logic and reasoning, you are welcome at my
table any time.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 16:26:29
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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estebanAA wrote:
> for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
>
> The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact that you
> would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
>
Jesus H Christ-- put it in a hallmark card!
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 17:19:19
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Dec 16 2006 4:26 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> estebanAA wrote:
> > for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
> >
> > The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> > children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact
that you
> > would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
> >
>
>
>
> Jesus H Christ-- put it in a hallmark card!
Science H. Logic, why do we even respond to these moronic religious
threads.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 21:34:32
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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"Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster" <ae2dad2@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:nhie54xknp.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 16 2006 4:26 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
>> estebanAA wrote:
>> > for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends
>> > you.
>> >
>> > The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those
>> > with
>> > children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact
> that you
>> > would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Jesus H Christ-- put it in a hallmark card!
>
> Science H. Logic, why do we even respond to these moronic religious
> threads.
>
>
> ------
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>
> "Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if
> you look at it right" -RH
>
> -------
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Date: 17 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Dec 17 2006 1:19 AM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> On Dec 16 2006 4:26 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
> > estebanAA wrote:
> > > for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
> > >
> > > The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> > > children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact
> that you
> > > would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesus H Christ-- put it in a hallmark card!
>
> Science H. Logic, why do we even respond to these moronic religious
> threads.
>
>
> ------
> brewmaster at brewcam dot com
>
> "Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if
> you look at it right" -RH
Because there is sod all else happening right now
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 16:01:34
From: JohnnyYooper
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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estebanAA wrote:
> the world is so complicated that if any one thing changed even 2 % we would all
> be dead . If we were 2 % closer to the sun it would be to hot and all the ice
> would melt - if we were 2 % further from the sun it would be to cold and all the
> world would be iced over.
i'm not buying it. the orbit already varies almost 4% from its
closest point to its farthest point.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 17:53:08
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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"estebanAA" <43084445@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1166312345$922826@recpoker.com...
> for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
>
> The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact
that you
> would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
Great logic! Similarly, it is easy to prove that 'god' is a cat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_the_cat
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Date: 16 Dec 23:44:11
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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Proof that god does not exist: 1+1=2, therefore god does not exist....
On Dec 16 2006 11:39 PM, estebanAA wrote:
> for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
>
> The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact that
> you
> would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
>
> The grief you feel when you lose a love one. do you think a dog gives a dam if
> they lose a brother or sister.
>
> man has know since the began of time that there is a higher power .its
> different
> from culture to culture .but the basic theory exist .
>
> the world is so complicated that if any one thing changed even 2 % we would
> all
> be dead . If we were 2 % closer to the sun it would be to hot and all the ice
> would melt - if we were 2 % further from the sun it would be to cold and all
> the
> world would be iced over. from gravity to the speed the earth rotates - all
> designed by a greater power.
>
> the life cycle from new born to old age - we are all dependent on one another
> -
> could you imagine a world with no compassion -- no one would raise the
> children
> or that care of the elderly - a world with no morals - rape , abuse ,insect,
> murder, .
>
> God is built into each of us- from your sadness to your joy. there are parts
> of
> the world where there is no "God". Some countries in Africa - There are no
> church in every town like here . aids is rampant -- no laws - people are
> treated
> like animals. that is what happens when God is not thought . and we and all
> others need to help those poor folks.
>
> you cry when your aces get crack - mothers in Africa cry when they cant feed
> there children and they die .
>
>
> Ive seen men with no God in them . so keep asking for proof -- and you will
> get
> it.. Judgement Day is coming for all of us.
>
>
>
> proof is an eternity in hell . estebanAA
>
>
>
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 17:50:03
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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"Nick Wool" <43079532@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1166312651$922829@recpoker.com...
> Proof that god does not exist: 1+1=2, therefore god does not exist....
He'll not likely see that your logic matches the quality of his.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 15:43:46
From: scotty
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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Take your religous mumbo jumbo b.s. to another board. This is a poker
board!
estebanAA wrote:
> for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
>
> The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact that you
> would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
>
> The grief you feel when you lose a love one. do you think a dog gives a dam if
> they lose a brother or sister.
>
> man has know since the began of time that there is a higher power .its different
> from culture to culture .but the basic theory exist .
>
> the world is so complicated that if any one thing changed even 2 % we would all
> be dead . If we were 2 % closer to the sun it would be to hot and all the ice
> would melt - if we were 2 % further from the sun it would be to cold and all the
> world would be iced over. from gravity to the speed the earth rotates - all
> designed by a greater power.
>
> the life cycle from new born to old age - we are all dependent on one another -
> could you imagine a world with no compassion -- no one would raise the children
> or that care of the elderly - a world with no morals - rape , abuse ,insect,
> murder, .
>
> God is built into each of us- from your sadness to your joy. there are parts of
> the world where there is no "God". Some countries in Africa - There are no
> church in every town like here . aids is rampant -- no laws - people are treated
> like animals. that is what happens when God is not thought . and we and all
> others need to help those poor folks.
>
> you cry when your aces get crack - mothers in Africa cry when they cant feed
> there children and they die .
>
>
> Ive seen men with no God in them . so keep asking for proof -- and you will get
> it.. Judgement Day is coming for all of us.
>
>
>
> proof is an eternity in hell . estebanAA
>
>
>
>
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 00:02:07
From: Shiver
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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> scotty <bnbkern@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Take your religous mumbo jumbo b.s. to another board. This is a poker
> board!
Couldn't agree with you more..... BUT - Why did you decide to
repost all of that mumbo jumbo..????????
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Date: 16 Dec 23:53:00
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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OK
God is holding 3 7o you are holding AA
flop 3 A 3
God checks
you bet your soul
he install calls
turn 7
river 3
now your his and he trades you to the devil for a new pack of cards
is that enough poker for you
On Dec 16 2006 5:43 PM, scotty wrote:
> Take your religous mumbo jumbo b.s. to another board. This is a poker
> board!
>
> estebanAA wrote:
> > for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
> >
> > The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> > children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact that
> > you
> > would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
> >
> > The grief you feel when you lose a love one. do you think a dog gives a dam
> > if
> > they lose a brother or sister.
> >
> > man has know since the began of time that there is a higher power .its
> > different
> > from culture to culture .but the basic theory exist .
> >
> > the world is so complicated that if any one thing changed even 2 % we would
> > all
> > be dead . If we were 2 % closer to the sun it would be to hot and all the
> > ice
> > would melt - if we were 2 % further from the sun it would be to cold and all
> > the
> > world would be iced over. from gravity to the speed the earth rotates - all
> > designed by a greater power.
> >
> > the life cycle from new born to old age - we are all dependent on one
> > another -
> > could you imagine a world with no compassion -- no one would raise the
> > children
> > or that care of the elderly - a world with no morals - rape , abuse ,insect,
> > murder, .
> >
> > God is built into each of us- from your sadness to your joy. there are parts
> > of
> > the world where there is no "God". Some countries in Africa - There are no
> > church in every town like here . aids is rampant -- no laws - people are
> > treated
> > like animals. that is what happens when God is not thought . and we and all
> > others need to help those poor folks.
> >
> > you cry when your aces get crack - mothers in Africa cry when they cant feed
> > there children and they die .
> >
> >
> > Ive seen men with no God in them . so keep asking for proof -- and you will
> > get
> > it.. Judgement Day is coming for all of us.
> >
> >
> >
> > proof is an eternity in hell . estebanAA
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 20:32:51
From: Lynx
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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> is that enough poker for you
No, you should still take your rot to another site, or at least put an
"OT" in front of it.
But back to poker, sounds like this "God" of yours has things rigged for
sure. Who'd want to play with some unethical being that stacks the deck
like that? I wouldn't want to have anything to do with such an entity.
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Date: 17 Dec 21:44:27
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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umm does he really need to put OT in front for you to realize its not about
poker? Or were you expecting a post about AA holding up?
On Dec 16 2006 10:32 PM, Lynx wrote:
> > is that enough poker for you
>
> No, you should still take your rot to another site, or at least put an
> "OT" in front of it.
>
> But back to poker, sounds like this "God" of yours has things rigged for
> sure. Who'd want to play with some unethical being that stacks the deck
> like that? I wouldn't want to have anything to do with such an entity.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 18:38:34
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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"estebanAA" <43084445@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1166313180$922834@recpoker.com...
>
>
> OK
>
> God is holding 3 7o you are holding AA
>
> flop 3 A 3
>
> God checks
>
> you bet your soul
>
> he install calls
>
> turn 7
>
> river 3
>
> now your his and he trades you to the devil for a new pack of cards
Essentially, your bet is that there is a God who is evil.
Do you suggest parents should hold the hand of an errant child in boiling
water for a while?
No?
Well, why would a non-evil God torture His children for even a short time,
let alone eternity?
Oh, it's His children's fault, so it isn't him doing it?
Tell that to Family & Child Services and the judge when you boil your
child's hand.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 09:54:20
From: KilgoreTrout
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Dec 16 2006 6:39 PM, estebanAA wrote:
> for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
>
> The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact that
you
> would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
>
Advantageous to the perpetuation of one's genes.
> The grief you feel when you lose a love one. do you think a dog gives a dam
if
> they lose a brother or sister.
>
You haven't ever had multiple dogs in yer house and had one die, have you?
A dog does indeed "give a damn" if they lose a "brother", as long as they
have lived in the same household as that "brother" for a significant
period of time.
> man has know since the began of time that there is a higher power .its
different
> from culture to culture .but the basic theory exist .
I looks around. Everywhere, things, stuff, cool!!
Hey, where does all this stuff come from?
>
> the world is so complicated that if any one thing changed even 2 % we would
all
> be dead . If we were 2 % closer to the sun it would be to hot and all the ice
> would melt - if we were 2 % further from the sun it would be to cold and all
the
> world would be iced over. from gravity to the speed the earth rotates - all
> designed by a greater power.
>
This may be the worst attempt at describing the anthropic principle I've
ever seen.
Surely you don't believe that we orbit the sun at a fixed distance. Or
that the average change from most to least distant points in that orbit is
<2%. (It's about three million miles change, with an average distance of
about 92 million miles). In fact, the distance from the sun (at least in
terms of minor variation) is one of the least influential factors on our
average temperatures,
Really, if you are going to start these discussions, you should at least
*attempt* to understand some of the science.
I remember in your other thread you said something about humans evolving
from monkeys. Surely, you aren't this ill-informed?
> the life cycle from new born to old age - we are all dependent on one
another -
> could you imagine a world with no compassion -- no one would raise the
children
> or that care of the elderly - a world with no morals - rape , abuse ,insect,
> murder, .
>
Herd animals often exhibit behavior that is disadvantageous to the
individual, but advantageous to the herd.
Something to do with predators.
There is an argument to be made here. This isn't it.
> God is built into each of us- from your sadness to your joy. there are parts
of
> the world where there is no "God". Some countries in Africa - There are no
> church in every town like here . aids is rampant -- no laws - people are
treated
> like animals. that is what happens when God is not thought . and we and all
> others need to help those poor folks.
>
> you cry when your aces get crack - mothers in Africa cry when they cant feed
> there children and they die .
>
>
> Ive seen men with no God in them . so keep asking for proof -- and you will
get
> it.. Judgement Day is coming for all of us.
>
>
>
> proof is an eternity in hell . estebanAA
There are various arguments to be made for theism. You manage to miss or
misrepresent all of them.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 06:34:52
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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They cant prove that pluto is a planet, how the hell could someone prove
there is a god? Science cant explain miracles.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 09:58:55
From: KilgoreTrout
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Dec 17 2006 6:34 AM, ben carr wrote:
> They cant prove that pluto is a planet, how the hell could someone prove
> there is a god? Science cant explain miracles.
Tautology alert!
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 15:06:49
From: David
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:34:52 -0500, up-high@webtv.net (ben carr)
wrote:
>They cant prove that pluto is a planet, how the hell could someone prove
>there is a god? Science cant explain miracles.
Not deciding on a definition for what a planet should be and
proving whether or not Pluto is a planet are two different concepts.
Stating that there is a god without offering empirical proof that a
god exists is simply a matter of faith and has nothing to do with your
example that began this post.
David
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 13:52:44
From:
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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Atheists and people like you (most people that post in this forum) have
the ability to believe in nothing but what science tells you is true.
So, in essence, science is your religion.
David wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:34:52 -0500, up-high@webtv.net (ben carr)
> wrote:
>
> >They cant prove that pluto is a planet, how the hell could someone prove
> >there is a god? Science cant explain miracles.
>
>
> Not deciding on a definition for what a planet should be and
> proving whether or not Pluto is a planet are two different concepts.
> Stating that there is a god without offering empirical proof that a
> god exists is simply a matter of faith and has nothing to do with your
> example that began this post.
>
> David
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 21:32:09
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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<jocko911@inbox.com > wrote in message
news:1166392363.867820.205800@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> Atheists and people like you (most people that post in this forum) have
> the ability to believe in nothing but what science tells you is true.
> So, in essence, science is your religion.
No, for it to be a religion there must be faith or a god involved.
> David wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:34:52 -0500, up-high@webtv.net (ben carr)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >They cant prove that pluto is a planet, how the hell could someone prove
>> >there is a god? Science cant explain miracles.
>>
>>
>> Not deciding on a definition for what a planet should be and
>> proving whether or not Pluto is a planet are two different concepts.
>> Stating that there is a god without offering empirical proof that a
>> god exists is simply a matter of faith and has nothing to do with your
>> example that began this post.
>>
>> David
>
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 01:40:54
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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My point with the bad pluto example was this. God and religion are an
act of faith. To have proof of the existence of god would defeat the
whole purpose. The closest thing I can come up with is we have a soul,
as do other animals. But that cant even be proven either.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 14:53:36
From: David
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:40:54 -0500, up-high@webtv.net (ben carr)
wrote:
>My point with the bad pluto example was this. God and religion are an
>act of faith. To have proof of the existence of god would defeat the
>whole purpose. The closest thing I can come up with is we have a soul,
>as do other animals. But that cant even be proven either.
Many religious people I know claim that animals other than human
beings have no soul. Of course, there are dog and cat lovers who
think their pets are more people-like than their own family members.
If someone could prove that there is a god, how would that affect
our daily lives? Would we be so interested in accumulating wealth?
Would be be interested in advances in medicine? Would we still have a
desire for dialogue? Would we still want to blow eachother up?
My feeling is that being able to truly prove the existance of god
would ecnourage people to become complacent and we would be far worse
off than we are now.
David
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Date: 18 Dec 13:58:02
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Dec 18 2006 1:53 PM, David wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:40:54 -0500, up-high@webtv.net (ben carr)
> wrote:
>
> >My point with the bad pluto example was this. God and religion are an
> >act of faith. To have proof of the existence of god would defeat the
> >whole purpose. The closest thing I can come up with is we have a soul,
> >as do other animals. But that cant even be proven either.
>
> Many religious people I know claim that animals other than human
> beings have no soul. Of course, there are dog and cat lovers who
> think their pets are more people-like than their own family members.
>
> If someone could prove that there is a god, how would that affect
> our daily lives? Would we be so interested in accumulating wealth?
> Would be be interested in advances in medicine? Would we still have a
> desire for dialogue? Would we still want to blow eachother up?
>
> My feeling is that being able to truly prove the existence of god
> would encourage people to become complacent and we would be far worse
> off than we are now.
>
> David
To 'prove' the existence of something, you must first define clearly whatever it
is that you are trying to find. The inability to prove or disprove the
existence of god/s is purely down to a very vague, if not to say shifting,
definition of god/s.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:40:44
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
news:d17do2pcbt816vvem98nod9h52166rbapj@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:40:54 -0500, up-high@webtv.net (ben carr)
> wrote:
>
>>My point with the bad pluto example was this. God and religion are an
>>act of faith. To have proof of the existence of god would defeat the
>>whole purpose. The closest thing I can come up with is we have a soul,
>>as do other animals. But that cant even be proven either.
>
> Many religious people I know claim that animals other than human
> beings have no soul. Of course, there are dog and cat lovers who
> think their pets are more people-like than their own family members.
>
> If someone could prove that there is a god, how would that affect
> our daily lives? Would we be so interested in accumulating wealth?
> Would be be interested in advances in medicine? Would we still have a
> desire for dialogue? Would we still want to blow eachother up?
>
> My feeling is that being able to truly prove the existance of god
> would ecnourage people to become complacent and we would be far worse
> off than we are now.
>
> David
Those who truly believe strap bombs to themselves and blow up the
non-believers.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 01:52:26
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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Those who believe the bible is 100 percent gods word is fooling
themselves. People wrote it, not god. The same goes for all other
religious books. I think the stories are good and the meanings
underlying them are great. The good samaritan for example. The
samaritans were the sworn enemies of the jews and were from what is now
iraq. They are still enemies. The meaning of the story was 3 religious
leaders saw a hurt man next to the road and left him. The sworn enemy
came by and helped the man. It was to show that just because they are
the religious leaders doesnt make them right. In fact they had less
common sense than the enemy did. Now the meaning is interpreted as help
strangers. The golden rule, treat others how you want to be treated, is
common among all religions. There are some helpful content in the
religious books, if you know where to look
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 15:04:17
From: David
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On 17 Dec 2006 13:52:44 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
>Atheists and people like you (most people that post in this forum) have
>the ability to believe in nothing but what science tells you is true.
>So, in essence, science is your religion.
Science, in a sense, is my religion, I suppose. The difference is
that I can base my opinion on observed events. I can run experiments
which allow me to make logical deductions about how things are in the
universe. I make an assumption that the laws of physics are truly
universal--they may not be, and that is where my faith comes in to
play. Science does not tell me what is true.
The church (which curch you belong to is not important), however,
tells you that everything written in the bible is truth, and you
choose to believe it. That is faith. You select the parts of that
"truth" which best suits you and ignore the rest.
When you are scraping the bottom of the barrel, you gladly accept
help from others. It is the "christian" thing to do. When you are at
the top of the ladder, you ignore those who need help because you
become greedy and tell the needy, "god helps those who help
themselves."
As Paul already pointed out, I have a severe character flaw. I am a
bleeding-heart liberal. It is also true that I am an atheist. Yet,
most of the time, I feel that I am more "christian" in my values than
most of the self-righteous, right-wing conservatives who post here,
and who find themselves the leaders of nations.
>David wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:34:52 -0500, up-high@webtv.net (ben carr)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >They cant prove that pluto is a planet, how the hell could someone prove
>> >there is a god? Science cant explain miracles.
>>
>>
>> Not deciding on a definition for what a planet should be and
>> proving whether or not Pluto is a planet are two different concepts.
>> Stating that there is a god without offering empirical proof that a
>> god exists is simply a matter of faith and has nothing to do with your
>> example that began this post.
>>
>> David
David
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 13:12:07
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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ben carr wrote:
> They cant prove that pluto is a planet, how the hell could someone prove
> there is a god? Science cant explain miracles.
What miracles?
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Date: 17 Dec 21:28:01
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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On Dec 17 2006 9:12 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> ben carr wrote:
> > They cant prove that pluto is a planet, how the hell could someone prove
> > there is a god? Science cant explain miracles.
>
> What miracles?
How about someone with a deep stack check-calling near pot bets to the river,
then calling a river allin, with 22 on a board of AAKTT? The order the cards
fell were...flop AAK, turn T, River T
Saw it at a 6 handed, 10/20 NL table ...AK took down a pot of over 6K.
Can science ever explain how these idiots think?
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:16:23
From: Batman
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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While the Batmobile was caught in traffic, David wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2006 13:52:44 -0800, jocko911@inbox.com wrote:
>
> >Atheists and people like you (most people that post in this forum) have
> >the ability to believe in nothing but what science tells you is true.
> >So, in essence, science is your religion.
>
> Science, in a sense, is my religion, I suppose. The difference is
> that I can base my opinion on observed events. I can run experiments
> which allow me to make logical deductions about how things are in the
> universe. I make an assumption that the laws of physics are truly
> universal--they may not be, and that is where my faith comes in to
> play. Science does not tell me what is true.
Ok, then play it back to the beginning, and ask yourself, where did all
the energy come from?
<snippage >
> ... than
> most of the self-righteous, right-wing conservatives who post here,
> and who find themselves the leaders of nations.
>
Wow. You've created a logical intersection with the above statement.
So, who here is a leader of a nation?
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:33:06
From: Batman
Subject: OT: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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Anyone can find God. He's in The Bible for whomever wishes to look. I
think the bigger issue is, why you don't believe in the possibility in
something outside your necessarily limited, or finite scope.
I'm just saying,
Mike
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Ron Dworkin wrote:
> Sng wrote:
> > What do you suppose god thinks about people who borrow money to gamble,
> > then instead of paying them back, use the money to gamble some more.
> > Then after winning, instead of using the winnings to pay them back, they
> > gamble some more, then blow it all.
> >
> > Do you think god likes that?
>
> these are the kind of people that "find" God
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:21:07
From: Batman
Subject: Re: Proof there is a GOD
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What about for those of us that view poker as a religion? Where should
we go? I choose to stay here... :)
Mike
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scotty wrote:
> Take your religous mumbo jumbo b.s. to another board. This is a poker
> board!
>
> estebanAA wrote:
> > for all those who don't believe you are missing every sign he sends you.
> >
> > The love you have for your first born ( all your children)- for those with
> > children ,that love you get the first time you see your baby. the fact that you
> > would die for your children. as Jesus did for us.
> >
> > The grief you feel when you lose a love one. do you think a dog gives a dam if
> > they lose a brother or sister.
> >
> > man has know since the began of time that there is a higher power .its different
> > from culture to culture .but the basic theory exist .
> >
> > the world is so complicated that if any one thing changed even 2 % we would all
> > be dead . If we were 2 % closer to the sun it would be to hot and all the ice
> > would melt - if we were 2 % further from the sun it would be to cold and all the
> > world would be iced over. from gravity to the speed the earth rotates - all
> > designed by a greater power.
> >
> > the life cycle from new born to old age - we are all dependent on one another -
> > could you imagine a world with no compassion -- no one would raise the children
> > or that care of the elderly - a world with no morals - rape , abuse ,insect,
> > murder, .
> >
> > God is built into each of us- from your sadness to your joy. there are parts of
> > the world where there is no "God". Some countries in Africa - There are no
> > church in every town like here . aids is rampant -- no laws - people are treated
> > like animals. that is what happens when God is not thought . and we and all
> > others need to help those poor folks.
> >
> > you cry when your aces get crack - mothers in Africa cry when they cant feed
> > there children and they die .
> >
> >
> > Ive seen men with no God in them . so keep asking for proof -- and you will get
> > it.. Judgement Day is coming for all of us.
> >
> >
> >
> > proof is an eternity in hell . estebanAA
> >
> >
> >
> >
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