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Date: 13 Dec 2006 06:22:40
From: OneMore
Subject: Poker commentary: Game # 001-2: Texas Hold'em No Limit $5/$10
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Commentary taken from a real online game great insight into how your
opponents really thinkand act:
Hand Details: A new player, Larry, has joined the table. Four players
limp in (George, Dave Larry and Xavier) and Stu calls the additional $5
from the small blind. The action is on Olaf who raises it an additional
$40.
click here for table graphic starting hands and odds:
http://onemorehand.com/?p=10
Play by Play:
Olaf's Raise chases George and Dave out of the pot, Larry calls as
does Xavier. Stu folds leaving us with three seeing the flop. Larry
appears to be a serious underdog but the flop comes:
Qd Js 9d
Larry's Underdog hand pulls two pair and Olaf is drawing to an inside
straight with four outs.Olaf checks, Larry bets $50, Xavier folds Olaf
calls. The turn is 3d putting a possible flush in play Olaf checks
again and Larry bets $100, which Olaf calls. The river brings the 8s
increasing the likelihood that someone has a straight. Olaf checks and
Larry, scared off by the flush and straight possibilities on the board,
checks behind him The hand ends with a whimper as Larry scoops the pot.
The real question in this hand is who left money on the table? Could a
bold bluff by Olaf have secured the pot or did Larry's timidity cost
him a value bet?
Odds: Clearly Olafs' Ace King offsuit is the leader going into the
hand, but sometimes as frustrating as it can be for those holding the
better starting hand any two cards can win and here they did. Olaf
didn't exactly misplay the hand he followed the betting and hoped for
his card to fall but an earlier reraise for information and a strong
bluff on the river might have turned the emotional odds in his favour,
Larry's river check suggests a weakness that could have been
exploited.
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Date: 13 Dec 15:44:47
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Poker commentary: Game # 001-2: Texas Hold'em No Limit $5/$10
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On Dec 13 2006 2:22 PM, OneMore wrote:
> Commentary taken from a real online game great insight into how your
> opponents really thinkand act:
>
> Hand Details: A new player, Larry, has joined the table. Four players
> limp in (George, Dave Larry and Xavier) and Stu calls the additional $5
> from the small blind. The action is on Olaf who raises it an additional
> $40.
>
> click here for table graphic starting hands and odds:
> http://onemorehand.com/?p=10
>
> Play by Play:
>
> Olaf's Raise chases George and Dave out of the pot, Larry calls as
> does Xavier. Stu folds leaving us with three seeing the flop. Larry
> appears to be a serious underdog but the flop comes:
> Qd Js 9d
>
> Larry's Underdog hand pulls two pair and Olaf is drawing to an inside
> straight with four outs.Olaf checks, Larry bets $50, Xavier folds Olaf
> calls. The turn is 3d putting a possible flush in play Olaf checks
> again and Larry bets $100, which Olaf calls. The river brings the 8s
> increasing the likelihood that someone has a straight. Olaf checks and
> Larry, scared off by the flush and straight possibilities on the board,
> checks behind him The hand ends with a whimper as Larry scoops the pot.
> The real question in this hand is who left money on the table? Could a
> bold bluff by Olaf have secured the pot or did Larry's timidity cost
> him a value bet?
>
> Odds: Clearly Olafs' Ace King offsuit is the leader going into the
> hand, but sometimes as frustrating as it can be for those holding the
> better starting hand any two cards can win and here they did. Olaf
> didn't exactly misplay the hand he followed the betting and hoped for
> his card to fall but an earlier reraise for information and a strong
> bluff on the river might have turned the emotional odds in his favour,
> Larry's river check suggests a weakness that could have been
> exploited.
The mistake was not made on the river, but on the flop...The stack sizes wasnt
mentioned, but 50 bet into a pot of about 150? When the board had straight and
flush draw possibilities?
The turn bet again was too small on that board?....100 into a 250 pot? Asking
to be bluffed out of the pot really...as for the river...given that board, a
check-call or trying to see the show-down free is in order...
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 02:06:07
From: OneMore
Subject: Re: Poker commentary: Game # 001-2: Texas Hold'em No Limit $5/$10
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I agree
The flop and turn bets were too low showed weakness and it wasnt'
exploited- That's why I think the real mistake was made by Olaf - by
representing a stronger hand and he could have won that pot.
Nick Wool wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 2:22 PM, OneMore wrote:
>
> > Commentary taken from a real online game great insight into how your
> > opponents really thinkand act:
> >
> > Hand Details: A new player, Larry, has joined the table. Four players
> > limp in (George, Dave Larry and Xavier) and Stu calls the additional $5
> > from the small blind. The action is on Olaf who raises it an additional
> > $40.
> >
> > click here for table graphic starting hands and odds:
> > http://onemorehand.com/?p=10
> >
> > Play by Play:
> >
> > Olaf's Raise chases George and Dave out of the pot, Larry calls as
> > does Xavier. Stu folds leaving us with three seeing the flop. Larry
> > appears to be a serious underdog but the flop comes:
> > Qd Js 9d
> >
> > Larry's Underdog hand pulls two pair and Olaf is drawing to an inside
> > straight with four outs.Olaf checks, Larry bets $50, Xavier folds Olaf
> > calls. The turn is 3d putting a possible flush in play Olaf checks
> > again and Larry bets $100, which Olaf calls. The river brings the 8s
> > increasing the likelihood that someone has a straight. Olaf checks and
> > Larry, scared off by the flush and straight possibilities on the board,
> > checks behind him The hand ends with a whimper as Larry scoops the pot.
> > The real question in this hand is who left money on the table? Could a
> > bold bluff by Olaf have secured the pot or did Larry's timidity cost
> > him a value bet?
> >
> > Odds: Clearly Olafs' Ace King offsuit is the leader going into the
> > hand, but sometimes as frustrating as it can be for those holding the
> > better starting hand any two cards can win and here they did. Olaf
> > didn't exactly misplay the hand he followed the betting and hoped for
> > his card to fall but an earlier reraise for information and a strong
> > bluff on the river might have turned the emotional odds in his favour,
> > Larry's river check suggests a weakness that could have been
> > exploited.
>
> The mistake was not made on the river, but on the flop...The stack sizes wasnt
> mentioned, but 50 bet into a pot of about 150? When the board had straight and
> flush draw possibilities?
>
> The turn bet again was too small on that board?....100 into a 250 pot? Asking
> to be bluffed out of the pot really...as for the river...given that board, a
> check-call or trying to see the show-down free is in order...
>
>
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Date: 14 Dec 20:59:55
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Poker commentary: Game # 001-2: Texas Hold'em No Limit $5/$10
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On Dec 14 2006 10:06 AM, OneMore wrote:
> I agree
>
> The flop and turn bets were too low showed weakness and it wasnt'
> exploited- That's why I think the real mistake was made by Olaf - by
> representing a stronger hand and he could have won that pot.
>
At the flop maybe....but only if you can be fairly sure that a flush drawc would
muck to a push....on the turn, once the 3rd flush card had hit, a weak bet could
be a trap with the flush....after all, the weak bet at flop does like a blocking
bet with the flush draw.
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