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Date: 02 Dec 2006 01:46:49
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA is a
league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs. However, the
NBA player's latest action baffles me. Apparently they are going to sue the
league. Here's a cut and past from the article:
"A number of [NBA] players publicly have complained about the change in the
ball from leather to microfiber composite. But the crackdown on complaints
after the whistle, often referred to as a "zero-tolerance policy," might be
the bigger problem."
First, I'm not even sure what "after the whistle complaints" are and second,
why the hell do the players have to file a law suit because of a change in
the basketball? These guys are making tens of millions of dollars for
throwing a ball through a hoop! If it weren't for the NBA, 99% of them
couldn't earn one year of their current salary in two life times.
It's no wonder the NBA is always struggling to attract fans.
Irish Mike
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 19:17:28
From: ThisThingGoesFaster
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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> First, I'm not even sure what "after the whistle complaints" are and second,
> why the hell do the players have to file a law suit because of a change in
> the basketball?
The "after the whistle complaints" can be as little as turning to the
ref and saying "aww, man" towards the ref after a foul is called. One
of the most obvious I saw was earlier this year, against Wally Szerbiak
(sp?), i think. The ref called a foul, he turned to the ref, started
to say something, caught himself mid-word, recoiled, put his hands up
with one over his own mouth to cover it, and STILL got called for a
tech. The are on ZERO tolerance.
The suit was filed with the National Labor Relations Board. The NLRA
and the collective bargaining agreement require that the NBA consult
with the players association before implementing any new, on-court
rules. They did not do that. The hook here, though, is that the "new
technical foul rule" isn't new at all, just a so-called point of
emphasis this year. The ball itself is another story. It really does
feel weird to the touch, more like one of those indoor-outdoor balls
used to than the old official Spaulding ball.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 17:57:28
From: SheepCookers
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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Not if you are getting fined for every technical foul. So it's money
actually taken out of their salary so it affects lower paid players a lot
more then higher paid ones. It's out of line with their bargaining
agreement. The ball part I am not sure about, seems like a reach.
On Dec 1 2006 5:46 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA is a
> league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs. However, the
> NBA player's latest action baffles me. Apparently they are going to sue the
> league. Here's a cut and past from the article:
>
> "A number of [NBA] players publicly have complained about the change in the
> ball from leather to microfiber composite. But the crackdown on complaints
> after the whistle, often referred to as a "zero-tolerance policy," might be
> the bigger problem."
>
> First, I'm not even sure what "after the whistle complaints" are and second,
> why the hell do the players have to file a law suit because of a change in
> the basketball? These guys are making tens of millions of dollars for
> throwing a ball through a hoop! If it weren't for the NBA, 99% of them
> couldn't earn one year of their current salary in two life times.
> It's no wonder the NBA is always struggling to attract fans.
>
> Irish Mike
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 21:50:09
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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They filed a suit because that is what they do. The union challenges
everything the owners do, like the demcrats challenge everything the
republicans do. The rule about post whistle antics is a good one. Some
players would argue every call that went against them and some tried to
show up the refs. Its a good rule to try to stop the whining and
stupidity that goes on. Rasheed Wallace is the main figure here. He is a
millionare that acts like a baby.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 07:18:25
From: Brian Shultz
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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"SheepCookers" <a1703@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:853744xha4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Not if you are getting fined for every technical foul. So it's money
> actually taken out of their salary so it affects lower paid players a lot
> more then higher paid ones. It's out of line with their bargaining
> agreement. The ball part I am not sure about, seems like a reach.
>
> On Dec 1 2006 5:46 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA
is a
> > league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs. However,
the
> > NBA player's latest action baffles me. Apparently they are going to sue
the
> > league. Here's a cut and past from the article:
> >
> > "A number of [NBA] players publicly have complained about the change in
the
> > ball from leather to microfiber composite. But the crackdown on
complaints
> > after the whistle, often referred to as a "zero-tolerance policy," might
be
> > the bigger problem."
> >
> > First, I'm not even sure what "after the whistle complaints" are and
second,
> > why the hell do the players have to file a law suit because of a change
in
> > the basketball? These guys are making tens of millions of dollars for
> > throwing a ball through a hoop! If it weren't for the NBA, 99% of them
> > couldn't earn one year of their current salary in two life times.
> > It's no wonder the NBA is always struggling to attract fans.
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
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Apparently the new ball grips much better and alot of the players are
complaining on blisters on their fingers and some strange bounces. As for
the zero tolerance policy, any complaint about a call after the whistle is
an automatic technical foul. They are trying to clean up the cry baby
stuff, and so far it seems to be working at least on the court.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 17:33:17
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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"As for the zero tolerance policy, any complaint about a call after the
whistle is
an automatic technical foul. They are trying to clean up the cry baby
stuff, and so far it seems to be working at least on the court."
Thanks for the explanation. IMO, just about any thing would be an
improvement over the past conduct of NBA players.
Irish Mike
"Brian Shultz" <bshultz@locl.net > wrote in message
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> "SheepCookers" <a1703@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:853744xha4.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> Not if you are getting fined for every technical foul. So it's money
>> actually taken out of their salary so it affects lower paid players a lot
>> more then higher paid ones. It's out of line with their bargaining
>> agreement. The ball part I am not sure about, seems like a reach.
>>
>> On Dec 1 2006 5:46 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>> > Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA
> is a
>> > league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs. However,
> the
>> > NBA player's latest action baffles me. Apparently they are going to
>> > sue
> the
>> > league. Here's a cut and past from the article:
>> >
>> > "A number of [NBA] players publicly have complained about the change in
> the
>> > ball from leather to microfiber composite. But the crackdown on
> complaints
>> > after the whistle, often referred to as a "zero-tolerance policy,"
>> > might
> be
>> > the bigger problem."
>> >
>> > First, I'm not even sure what "after the whistle complaints" are and
> second,
>> > why the hell do the players have to file a law suit because of a change
> in
>> > the basketball? These guys are making tens of millions of dollars for
>> > throwing a ball through a hoop! If it weren't for the NBA, 99% of them
>> > couldn't earn one year of their current salary in two life times.
>> > It's no wonder the NBA is always struggling to attract fans.
>> >
>> > Irish Mike
>>
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> Apparently the new ball grips much better and alot of the players are
> complaining on blisters on their fingers and some strange bounces. As for
> the zero tolerance policy, any complaint about a call after the whistle is
> an automatic technical foul. They are trying to clean up the cry baby
> stuff, and so far it seems to be working at least on the court.
>
>
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Date: 02 Dec 17:54:31
From: Chris Argento
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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On Dec 2 2006 12:33 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> "As for the zero tolerance policy, any complaint about a call after the
> whistle is
> an automatic technical foul. They are trying to clean up the cry baby
> stuff, and so far it seems to be working at least on the court."
>
> Thanks for the explanation. IMO, just about any thing would be an
> improvement over the past conduct of NBA players.
>
> Irish Mike
>
>
> "Brian Shultz" wrote in message
> news:1165062309.605567@skyraider.locl.net...
> >
> > "SheepCookers" wrote in message
> > news:853744xha4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> Not if you are getting fined for every technical foul. So it's money
> >> actually taken out of their salary so it affects lower paid players a lot
> >> more then higher paid ones. It's out of line with their bargaining
> >> agreement. The ball part I am not sure about, seems like a reach.
> >>
> >> On Dec 1 2006 5:46 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >>
> >> > Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA
> > is a
> >> > league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs. However,
> > the
> >> > NBA player's latest action baffles me. Apparently they are going to
> >> > sue
> > the
> >> > league. Here's a cut and past from the article:
> >> >
> >> > "A number of [NBA] players publicly have complained about the change in
> > the
> >> > ball from leather to microfiber composite. But the crackdown on
> > complaints
> >> > after the whistle, often referred to as a "zero-tolerance policy,"
> >> > might
> > be
> >> > the bigger problem."
> >> >
> >> > First, I'm not even sure what "after the whistle complaints" are and
> > second,
> >> > why the hell do the players have to file a law suit because of a change
> > in
> >> > the basketball? These guys are making tens of millions of dollars for
> >> > throwing a ball through a hoop! If it weren't for the NBA, 99% of them
> >> > couldn't earn one year of their current salary in two life times.
> >> > It's no wonder the NBA is always struggling to attract fans.
> >> >
> >> > Irish Mike
> > Apparently the new ball grips much better and alot of the players are
> > complaining on blisters on their fingers and some strange bounces. As for
> > the zero tolerance policy, any complaint about a call after the whistle is
> > an automatic technical foul. They are trying to clean up the cry baby
> > stuff, and so far it seems to be working at least on the court.
> >
> \
To read the other (read: Player's) side of this zero-tolerance whistle thing,
check out Bill Simmons on ESPN.com. His column from two weeks ago actually
makes a lot of sense. Briefly, it says that the referees are horrible in the
NBA these days and everybody knows it. David Stern even admitted it during the
playoffs a few times. What this rule does is allows referees to make any
atrocious calls they want and no one can argue with them. I'm not saying that
any amount of arguing should be allowed, but protesting a bad call is an
automatic tech? It's ridiculous. It makes the referees rather than the players
and the game itself the center of the game.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 10:41:41
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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On Dec 2 2006 11:54 AM, Chris Argento wrote:
>
> To read the other (read: Player's) side of this zero-tolerance whistle thing,
> check out Bill Simmons on ESPN.com. His column from two weeks ago actually
> makes a lot of sense. Briefly, it says that the referees are horrible in the
> NBA these days and everybody knows it. David Stern even admitted it during
the
> playoffs a few times. What this rule does is allows referees to make any
> atrocious calls they want and no one can argue with them. I'm not saying
that
> any amount of arguing should be allowed, but protesting a bad call is an
> automatic tech? It's ridiculous. It makes the referees rather than the
players
> and the game itself the center of the game.
The answer to the quality of refs is so measure them and get rid of them
if they suck. No amount of whining after the whistle has ever got them to
change a call. It "may" effect a call later in the game. I'm all for the
autotechnicals. I'd like to see the refs have some accountability outside
the game, but the whining is no fun to watch.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 20:01:37
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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Does the "after the whistle complaint", automatic technical foul rule apply
to NBA team coaches or only to NBA players?
Irish Mike
"Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrewed1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> On Dec 2 2006 11:54 AM, Chris Argento wrote:
>
>>
>> To read the other (read: Player's) side of this zero-tolerance whistle
>> thing,
>> check out Bill Simmons on ESPN.com. His column from two weeks ago
>> actually
>> makes a lot of sense. Briefly, it says that the referees are horrible in
>> the
>> NBA these days and everybody knows it. David Stern even admitted it
>> during
> the
>> playoffs a few times. What this rule does is allows referees to make any
>> atrocious calls they want and no one can argue with them. I'm not saying
> that
>> any amount of arguing should be allowed, but protesting a bad call is an
>> automatic tech? It's ridiculous. It makes the referees rather than the
> players
>> and the game itself the center of the game.
>
> The answer to the quality of refs is so measure them and get rid of them
> if they suck. No amount of whining after the whistle has ever got them to
> change a call. It "may" effect a call later in the game. I'm all for the
> autotechnicals. I'd like to see the refs have some accountability outside
> the game, but the whining is no fun to watch.
>
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 11:22:38
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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"SheepCookers" <a1703@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:853744xha4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Not if you are getting fined for every technical foul. So it's money
> actually taken out of their salary so it affects lower paid players a lot
> more then higher paid ones. It's out of line with their bargaining
> agreement. The ball part I am not sure about, seems like a reach.
Maybe they should just STFU and let the refs call the game. I've totally
lost interest in the NBA in the past 10 years, mostly because of the way the
players act. When a call is made, they should just move on, then they would
get no technicals and there would be no fines.
I guarantee you if I were ever talented and tall enough to be BLESSED to
play in the NBA and make the "leauge minimum" I'd never argue a call, cause
a disturbance (especially with fans), get in a fight, knock up a woman in
every town, hang out in strip clubs drinking Cristal and lighting cigars
with Benjamins, and I'd play as long as I could and retire with plenty of
well invested money. The exact opposite of 50+% of the morons that are in
the leauge at present.
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
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Date: 02 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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On Dec 1 2006 6:46 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA is a
> league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs. However, the
> NBA player's latest action baffles me. Apparently they are going to sue the
> league. Here's a cut and past from the article:
>
> "A number of [NBA] players publicly have complained about the change in the
> ball from leather to microfiber composite. But the crackdown on complaints
> after the whistle, often referred to as a "zero-tolerance policy," might be
> the bigger problem."
>
> First, I'm not even sure what "after the whistle complaints" are and second,
> why the hell do the players have to file a law suit because of a change in
> the basketball? These guys are making tens of millions of dollars for
> throwing a ball through a hoop! If it weren't for the NBA, 99% of them
> couldn't earn one year of their current salary in two life times.
> It's no wonder the NBA is always struggling to attract fans.
>
> Irish Mike
Mike you might remember in the 70s the NBA was heading towards a death bed due
to how the players were acting in public. There were many emply seats in many
cities.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 12:33:10
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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Irish Reich wrote:
> Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA is a
> league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs.
TRANSL. "Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and
think the NBA is a
league full of black guys."
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 13:26:30
From: ACS
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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I read it as "I don't like rich black guys. Whining makes me dislike them
even more"
On Dec 2 2006 4:33 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> Irish Reich wrote:
>
> > Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA is a
> > league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs.
>
>
> TRANSL. "Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and
> think the NBA is a
> league full of black guys."
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 21:51:40
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Please explain the latest NBA insanity
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Disregarding this ass clown's racist comments, does any one know the answer
to my question. Does the NBA's "after the whistle complaint" automatic
technical foul rule apply to NBA team coaches or only to NBA players?
Thanks,
Irish Mike
"ACS" <a474581@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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>I read it as "I don't like rich black guys. Whining makes me dislike them
> even more"
>
>
> On Dec 2 2006 4:33 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
>> Irish Reich wrote:
>>
>> > Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and think the NBA
>> > is a
>> > league full of over paid, over pampered cry babies and thugs.
>>
>>
>> TRANSL. "Let me say up front that I don't like pro basketball and
>> think the NBA is a
>> league full of black guys."
>
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