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Date: 11 Dec 17:31:57
From: Teabagger
Subject: Playing QQ
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First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and then
the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
Classic squeeze play. The problem here is that I've seen a wide range of hands
make this move, from rags to AA.
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Date: 11 Dec 18:42:27
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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On Dec 11 2006 12:31 PM, Teabagger wrote:
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> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
>
> Classic squeeze play. The problem here is that I've seen a wide range of hands
> make this move, from rags to AA.
By the way, two other points. 1) how could the button have you covered on the
first hand? and 2) if you think his range his huge, then QQ is killing that
range and there's no need to question the decision.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 12:58:02
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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steve1127 wrote:
> By the way, two other points. 1) how could the button have you covered on the
> first hand?
I thought this immediately, pressed reply, cracked my fingers, and
realized from the coveree's standpoint only one measurement matters
here... That he has enough chips to knock me out of the tournament.
Doesn't matter, any where from even to 1 million times more, he has me
"covered".
Everyone is covered on hand one.
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Date: 11 Dec 18:41:31
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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On Dec 11 2006 12:31 PM, Teabagger wrote:
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> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
>
> Classic squeeze play. The problem here is that I've seen a wide range of hands
> make this move, from rags to AA.
Instacall. This is not a classic squeeze play, by the way, since, by
definition, the squeeze play is to be used on a player who is open raising with
a lot of hands. Since this is the first hand of an STT, unless the button knows
you even though you don't know him, it's just a jam. Still, in a $20 STT, this
could be a lot of hands. Gotta call.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:20:34
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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Teabagger wrote:
> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
>
> Classic squeeze play. The problem here is that I've seen a wide range of hands
> make this move, from rags to AA.
$20? Mostly donks. All in.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:02:45
From: Zidane Valor
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and
then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
If it is the first hand, then you all have the same number of chips. I
would probably call in this spot unless I have played with the all-in
player before (which you said you didn't), and I knew he/she was a rock.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:53:43
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and
then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
Assuming you are properly bankrolled for the level SNG you are playing,
call.
Morphy
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Date: 11 Dec 18:03:52
From: Teabagger
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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OK, same scenario, without a caller - you raise 4xBB with QQ, and the button,
who has you covered, moves in.
In this situation, when I call (like the idiot I am), its always been aces.
On Dec 11 2006 12:53 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and
> then
> > the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
>
> Assuming you are properly bankrolled for the level SNG you are playing,
> call.
>
> Morphy
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:32:25
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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> In this situation, when I call (like the idiot I am), its always been aces.
Oh, as for this, give it some time. It used to be the limp re-raise was
always AA/KK, and the min re-raise was always AA/KK, the other day I saw
someone limp min re-raise with A3o.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:13:05
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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> OK, same scenario, without a caller - you raise 4xBB with QQ, and the button,
> who has you covered, moves in.
>
> In this situation, when I call (like the idiot I am), its always been aces.
For me it depends on the site, and a bit more to my mood. I've seen AJ so
many times there it's not funny, and I'm quite alright racing with AK
there as well. I've also seen guys terrified of JJ just shove it in
hoping everyone folds. I think overall the risk is worth it.
Morphy
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Date: 11 Dec 18:28:17
From: Big Ed Jr
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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I agree. This has happened to me twice in the past 2 days and both time I
doubled up on the first hand and went on to win the SnG. Sharkscope helps too,
seeing if someone is more likely to do it with a monster or a
"not-so-monsterish" hand. Shoving in on the first hand of a Sng is a fishy play
anyway so the more likey that you'll be ahead. The first time I had 99 and
called against AQs and won. The second time I had JJ and was up against AK and
won.
I've seen this play with JJ, 88, KQs etc. especially at those limits.
With QQ I'm in there in a heartbeat.
On Dec 11 2006 1:13 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > OK, same scenario, without a caller - you raise 4xBB with QQ, and the
> > button,
> > who has you covered, moves in.
> >
> > In this situation, when I call (like the idiot I am), its always been aces.
>
> For me it depends on the site, and a bit more to my mood. I've seen AJ so
> many times there it's not funny, and I'm quite alright racing with AK
> there as well. I've also seen guys terrified of JJ just shove it in
> hoping everyone folds. I think overall the risk is worth it.
>
> Morphy
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:51:42
From:
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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I would just fold. Pick another spot to get all your chips in the
middle. Normally at worst people would have AK in which you are racing.
It's always better putting someone else to the decision for all their
chips instead of calling all in with what you don't know is the best
hand. Hope this helps.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 13:31:29
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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On 11 Dec 2006 09:51:42 -0800, m_caron22@hotmail.com wrote:
>I would just fold. Pick another spot to get all your chips in the
>middle. Normally at worst people would have AK in which you are racing.
Depends who you're playing. The squeeze play has become ridiculously
popular to the point all kinds of people are doing it in completely
inappropriate situations.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:48:31
From:
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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Teabagger wrote:
> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
>
> Classic squeeze play. The problem here is that I've seen a wide range of hands
> make this move, from rags to AA.
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Presumably online. Call. Blinds go up pretty fast and you don't see QQ
too often. You lose, move on and start another game.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 18:12:10
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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On Dec 11 2006 10:31 AM, Teabagger wrote:
> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and
then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
>
> Classic squeeze play. The problem here is that I've seen a wide range of
hands
> make this move, from rags to AA.
Tend to call.
Fell
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 12:18:53
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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Teabagger wrote:
> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
>
> Classic squeeze play. The problem here is that I've seen a wide range of hands
> make this move, from rags to AA.
>
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I usually make the choice of either folding, or calling...
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:22:14
From: Loren Finkelstein
Subject: Re: Playing QQ
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In article <1165858317$919649@recpoker.com >,
Teabagger <43078607@recpoker.com > wrote:
> First hand of a $20 STT - you get QQ UTG. You raise 4xBB. One caller, and then
> the button (unknown player) moves in and has you covered. Call or fold?
At a $20 table this is an instant call. That decision is based on the
average quality of the $20 player. You are most likely good here. Sure
there is a chance he's got AA or KK, but it's much more likely he has a
pair lower than yours, or a suited A.
And, more than that, there is still the initial caller behind you who
will probably call with a weaker hand too. Again, that is based on the
$20 play I have seen. So you have a good chance to triple up.
Often, there isn't much value in playing any hands in the first few
levels of a single table tourney. Better to play tight, and let people
knock each other out while your EV goes up. And picking up small pots
doesn't help you much this early. But in this case, potentially
tripling up and knocking out 2 people definitely increases your EV for
the tourney dramatically. Well worth the risk of being knocked out and
having to wait 10 seconds for the next one to start.
NOTE: This opinion is only valid at this $20 level. At a higher stakes
table with better players, it's an instant fold. :-)
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