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Date: 20 Dec 2006 07:30:06
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: POKERSTARS Ramble
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Hello All,
Just a few ramblings about PokerStars. Please take this for what it
is. Not a "PokerStars is rigged" discussion, but a discussion about
the beats that happen on that site. A few of you know that I just
recently deposited 50.00 to PokerStars. My first deposit to an online
site. I now have .84 left and plan on dominating the .01-.02 limit
game (LOL) I am not going to waste my time searching for and pasting
hand histories for those who believe the stories I am going to complain
about I would appreciate your input for those who do not believe some
of the beats I am going to post..., well there is nothing I can do
about that.
With all of that being said I will share some of the ways I lost 50.00
so quickly for those who care. 15.00 was a donation while I was
playing drunk .50-1.00 NL roughly 22.00 was lost in NLHE MTT 2.00
transferred to a friend and the rest lost playing various tables with
varrying limits.
I saw my fullhouses beat by better fullhouses.
I saw my nut flush lose to a straight flush.
I saw my Top 2 lose to a set.
I saw my middle set lose to higher middle set.
I saw my 3 board straight lose to a higher straight.
I also saw me donking some of my chips with bad play.
Now again I am not saying rigged or anything the only thing I am
trying to figure out is.....I play live mainly and honestly have only
seen 2 of the above happen in live play (with me in the pot) in the
last 4 years. I played on PokerStars for 6-7 days maybe for about
1/10000 of the total time spent at a B&M. This just does not compute
to me. I am sure some of you do well on these sites and I am happy for
you, but for me I am done with it.
In order to keep good faith when it comes to some of the tourneys
RGPers are planning upcomming (I believe they are still being planned I
have not been keeping up with posts lately and I did mention my
interest in playing these) I suggest this to anyone who may be
interested in helping me out. I do not want to re deposit because I do
not have the will power to resist playing for real money so I would
like to send a trustworthy source on here who plays and has an account
on PokerStars the total buy ins for the tourneys that are being planned
maybe a money order or cashiers check and have that person deposit the
buy ins for the tourneys as they come up.
I know this is asking alot especially for someone none of you really
know, but it would be appreciated because I would still like to see how
I would do playing in a tourney I know most of the people playing on
play well.
Fire away.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:49:08
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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Nick Wool wrote:
> On Dec 20 2006 3:30 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>
> You know what? I gave up feeling bad at suckouts at cash games now, not because
> I read any book about zen etc...but when I do get suck out now, I think of 2
> hands:
>
> The first was when I made a major misread with AK suited against an LAP with AA
> at 10/20NL. We managed to get it all in preflop, a pot of over 4500...guess
> what? AA was drawing dead at the flop of KKK....Not a hand that I am
> particularly pround of, but it does calme me down whenever I get sucked out now.
>
> The 2nd was at 5/10 NL, 3 handed, I was button with 66. Called a standard raise
> from EP, BB called. Flop was 26K rainbow, BB led out with pot, EP called...I
> over-called. turn was a 2, board now 2 suited, BB bet, EP called, I raised, BB
> called, EP jammed, I called...BB beat me to the pot.
>
> BB showed K2 suited, EP showed KK...guess what? river was my one outer, a 6.
>
> Suck-outs happen to everyone, those who think that its rigged only remember the
> times they were sucked out on, and not the time they hit their 1/2/3/4 outs.
Very Very true Nick. I agree I might have sucked out a few times and
not recall it, but I don't think it happens where I suck out as much as
my oponent does. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. The beats
you bring up above are brutal, but I cannot think of when i did that to
someone. Not when there was any amount of money on the table.
I did river my buddy a few times yesterday. After my 77 -v- AA fiasco
my buddy came over and we played a freeze out limit game for .......
you ready for this......
a whopping 3.00 .002-.005
even though I did river him a few times he ended up winning.
And I am not saying I think PokerStars is rigged I honestly just
believe it is a different game than the live game.
I wont be one of those guys that gets jacked once and keeps comming
back for more. 1 deposit is enough for me. I just hope I can get
someone to help me out as far as me sending them a money order for
total buy ins for the RGP tourneys.
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Date: 20 Dec 18:55:01
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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On Dec 20 2006 1:49 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Nick Wool wrote:
> > On Dec 20 2006 3:30 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> >
> > You know what? I gave up feeling bad at suckouts at cash games now, not
> > because
> > I read any book about zen etc...but when I do get suck out now, I think of 2
> > hands:
> >
> > The first was when I made a major misread with AK suited against an LAP with
> > AA
> > at 10/20NL. We managed to get it all in preflop, a pot of over 4500...guess
> > what? AA was drawing dead at the flop of KKK....Not a hand that I am
> > particularly pround of, but it does calme me down whenever I get sucked out
> > now.
> >
> > The 2nd was at 5/10 NL, 3 handed, I was button with 66. Called a standard
> > raise
> > from EP, BB called. Flop was 26K rainbow, BB led out with pot, EP
> > called...I
> > over-called. turn was a 2, board now 2 suited, BB bet, EP called, I raised,
> > BB
> > called, EP jammed, I called...BB beat me to the pot.
> >
> > BB showed K2 suited, EP showed KK...guess what? river was my one outer, a
> > 6.
> >
> > Suck-outs happen to everyone, those who think that its rigged only remember
> > the
> > times they were sucked out on, and not the time they hit their 1/2/3/4 outs.
>
> Very Very true Nick. I agree I might have sucked out a few times and
> not recall it, but I don't think it happens where I suck out as much as
> my oponent does. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. The beats
> you bring up above are brutal, but I cannot think of when i did that to
> someone. Not when there was any amount of money on the table.
>
> I did river my buddy a few times yesterday. After my 77 -v- AA fiasco
> my buddy came over and we played a freeze out limit game for .......
> you ready for this......
>
> a whopping 3.00 .002-.005
> even though I did river him a few times he ended up winning.
>
> And I am not saying I think PokerStars is rigged I honestly just
> believe it is a different game than the live game.
>
> I wont be one of those guys that gets jacked once and keeps comming
> back for more. 1 deposit is enough for me. I just hope I can get
> someone to help me out as far as me sending them a money order for
> total buy ins for the RGP tourneys.
instead of doing that why don't you just put a few bucks in and leave it there
for the RGP games.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 12:38:32
From: Diana Ross Fan
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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I have to agree with Nick Wool here. Just looking at the criteria the
OP gave, I could conclude that the 4-8 LHE game at Foxwoods is rigged.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 12:36:05
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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> And I am not saying I think PokerStars is rigged I honestly just
> believe it is a different game than the live game.
Do this...deal out 9 hands, then deal a flop, turn, and river. Then flip
over the hands and see what wins.
Then take AA out. Deal out 8 hands, deal a flop, turn, and river, and see
who wins.
Plan on dealing about oh, 60 hands of each, which is about how many hands
per hour you'll see in a full ring game online (if anything it's a bit
low). Make note of anything you think is odd.
Then review your results and think about why you see what you see.
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 12:37:14
From: Diana Ross Fan
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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I have to agree with Nick Wool here. Just looking at the criteria the
OP gave, I could conclude that the 4-8 LHE game at Foxwoods is rigged.
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Date: 20 Dec 18:35:09
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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On Dec 20 2006 3:30 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
You know what? I gave up feeling bad at suckouts at cash games now, not because
I read any book about zen etc...but when I do get suck out now, I think of 2
hands:
The first was when I made a major misread with AK suited against an LAP with AA
at 10/20NL. We managed to get it all in preflop, a pot of over 4500...guess
what? AA was drawing dead at the flop of KKK....Not a hand that I am
particularly pround of, but it does calme me down whenever I get sucked out now.
The 2nd was at 5/10 NL, 3 handed, I was button with 66. Called a standard raise
from EP, BB called. Flop was 26K rainbow, BB led out with pot, EP called...I
over-called. turn was a 2, board now 2 suited, BB bet, EP called, I raised, BB
called, EP jammed, I called...BB beat me to the pot.
BB showed K2 suited, EP showed KK...guess what? river was my one outer, a 6.
Suck-outs happen to everyone, those who think that its rigged only remember the
times they were sucked out on, and not the time they hit their 1/2/3/4 outs.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:25:35
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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> Welcome to your first real experience with online poker, lol.
>
> Fell
Yes it was an eye opener to say the least. The worst was one of my
last hands before I realized all I wrote down above.
Pocket 7's 10 handed table middle position I believe it was .05-.10 NL
could of been .10-.20 sitting with about 3.00 I believe trying to make
about 10.00 to play a few more MTTs.
Raise 4x's blind, table is playing pretty well so I actually get
folders and 2 or 3 callers.
flop hits Q-A-7 rainbow BAM just about the best possible flop I could
have I figure somebody has Ace-rag or Ace-something for Top pair and
maybe even 2 pair.
I bet half the pot (my standard raise into any pot ALMOST all of the
time.)
Fold
Call -BAM there goes my Ace-something (I have him on AK I have been
playing at this table for about an hour with this guy sitting there the
entire time-so I have a small read on him)
Turn Q - I still feel good about this thinking he now has Aces up with
a K even if he has a Q I am still ahead.
Bet all in because of the pot and what was left in my stack and just in
case he had a Q.
River is a blank
Flip cards I am feeling really good like yeah good pot.
He flips over AA DAMN!
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:14:58
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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> No chronology and given that you lasted a few days I'm guessing you made
> some money at some point, but this reads as though you:
> - donked off a 3rd of your initial roll playing drunk;
> - played in a MTT where the buy-in was far too large in relation to your
> bankroll;
> - wandered aimlessly around the limits rather than concentrating on a
> limit that was suited to your roll and/or ability.
>
> Looks to me like you were destined to blow out no matter how the cards
> landed.
You are absolutely right Ian thank you for the response. The MTTs 3 or
4 were 4.00 and I believe I played one at 10.00
And you are right again I did kinda of aimlessly roam and did not
concentrate on one game or one limit which looking back was definetely
a mistake.
Thanks for the response.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:12:25
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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Scott/sjakma wrote:
> If you are interested in playing the RAZZ RGP event tonight, I will spot
> you the $11.. No need to pay me back unless you win. For Razz advice,
> make sure to check out the thread started by Nick Wool a few days ago..
> Just let me know what your id is on stars and I will send the transfer
> over when I get home this afternoon from work.
>
> Scott
I appreciate the thought, but unfortunately I will be celebrating my
girlfriends birthday party (for the 2nd time mind you) tonight at a bar
downtown.
Again though I do appreciate the gesture.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:40:32
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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On Dec 20 2006 8:30 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Just a few ramblings about PokerStars.
Welcome to your first real experience with online poker, lol.
Fell
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 11:33:26
From: VE2UD
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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Be smart and do what i did.I closed my account
John_Brian_K wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Just a few ramblings about PokerStars. Please take this for what it
> is. Not a "PokerStars is rigged" discussion, but a discussion about
> the beats that happen on that site. A few of you know that I just
> recently deposited 50.00 to PokerStars. My first deposit to an online
> site. I now have .84 left and plan on dominating the .01-.02 limit
> game (LOL) I am not going to waste my time searching for and pasting
> hand histories for those who believe the stories I am going to complain
> about I would appreciate your input for those who do not believe some
> of the beats I am going to post..., well there is nothing I can do
> about that.
>
> With all of that being said I will share some of the ways I lost 50.00
> so quickly for those who care. 15.00 was a donation while I was
> playing drunk .50-1.00 NL roughly 22.00 was lost in NLHE MTT 2.00
> transferred to a friend and the rest lost playing various tables with
> varrying limits.
>
> I saw my fullhouses beat by better fullhouses.
> I saw my nut flush lose to a straight flush.
> I saw my Top 2 lose to a set.
> I saw my middle set lose to higher middle set.
> I saw my 3 board straight lose to a higher straight.
> I also saw me donking some of my chips with bad play.
>
> Now again I am not saying rigged or anything the only thing I am
> trying to figure out is.....I play live mainly and honestly have only
> seen 2 of the above happen in live play (with me in the pot) in the
> last 4 years. I played on PokerStars for 6-7 days maybe for about
> 1/10000 of the total time spent at a B&M. This just does not compute
> to me. I am sure some of you do well on these sites and I am happy for
> you, but for me I am done with it.
>
> In order to keep good faith when it comes to some of the tourneys
> RGPers are planning upcomming (I believe they are still being planned I
> have not been keeping up with posts lately and I did mention my
> interest in playing these) I suggest this to anyone who may be
> interested in helping me out. I do not want to re deposit because I do
> not have the will power to resist playing for real money so I would
> like to send a trustworthy source on here who plays and has an account
> on PokerStars the total buy ins for the tourneys that are being planned
> maybe a money order or cashiers check and have that person deposit the
> buy ins for the tourneys as they come up.
>
> I know this is asking alot especially for someone none of you really
> know, but it would be appreciated because I would still like to see how
> I would do playing in a tourney I know most of the people playing on
> play well.
>
> Fire away.
>
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:02:05
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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No comments on the beats - nothing I could say will convince you otherwise
if you believe the distribution of hands/cards is unrealistic. I would
like to comment on this paragraph though:
> With all of that being said I will share some of the ways I lost 50.00
> so quickly for those who care. 15.00 was a donation while I was
> playing drunk .50-1.00 NL roughly 22.00 was lost in NLHE MTT 2.00
> transferred to a friend and the rest lost playing various tables with
> varrying limits.
No chronology and given that you lasted a few days I'm guessing you made
some money at some point, but this reads as though you:
- donked off a 3rd of your initial roll playing drunk;
- played in a MTT where the buy-in was far too large in relation to your
bankroll;
- wandered aimlessly around the limits rather than concentrating on a
limit that was suited to your roll and/or ability.
Looks to me like you were destined to blow out no matter how the cards
landed.
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Date: 20 Dec 16:24:49
From: Up Front Poker
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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Starts with M and ends with ron is my understanding of what he said
On Dec 20 2006 10:02 AM, Ian Stuart wrote:
> No comments on the beats - nothing I could say will convince you otherwise
> if you believe the distribution of hands/cards is unrealistic. I would
> like to comment on this paragraph though:
>
>
> > With all of that being said I will share some of the ways I lost 50.00
> > so quickly for those who care. 15.00 was a donation while I was
> > playing drunk .50-1.00 NL roughly 22.00 was lost in NLHE MTT 2.00
> > transferred to a friend and the rest lost playing various tables with
> > varrying limits.
>
>
> No chronology and given that you lasted a few days I'm guessing you made
> some money at some point, but this reads as though you:
> - donked off a 3rd of your initial roll playing drunk;
> - played in a MTT where the buy-in was far too large in relation to your
> bankroll;
> - wandered aimlessly around the limits rather than concentrating on a
> limit that was suited to your roll and/or ability.
>
> Looks to me like you were destined to blow out no matter how the cards
> landed.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 07:55:39
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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If you are interested in playing the RAZZ RGP event tonight, I will spot
you the $11.. No need to pay me back unless you win. For Razz advice,
make sure to check out the thread started by Nick Wool a few days ago..
Just let me know what your id is on stars and I will send the transfer
over when I get home this afternoon from work.
Scott
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 07:55:37
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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If you are interested in playing the RAZZ RGP event tonight, I will spot
you the $11.. No need to pay me back unless you win. For Razz advice,
make sure to check out the thread started by Nick Wool a few days ago..
Just let me know what your id is on stars and I will send the transfer
over when I get home this afternoon from work.
Scott
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 20:09:29
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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On 20 Dec 2006 07:30:06 -0800, "John_Brian_K"
<John_Brian_Kent_1677@Yahoo.Com > wrote:
> I saw my fullhouses beat by better fullhouses.
> I saw my nut flush lose to a straight flush.
> I saw my Top 2 lose to a set.
> I saw my middle set lose to higher middle set.
> I saw my 3 board straight lose to a higher straight.
All those things happened in my home game last night, seven-handed, in
five hours of play. {shrug}
That's poker.
-- Larry ( who had the first royal flush of his life in live play last
night... 8;) )
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 15:44:44
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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Let me give you some advice that I am sure will be better than any advice
any of these other assholes gives you.
NEVER COMPLAIN! No one feels sorry for you and it just inspires the other
vultures. If you have to, lie and SAY that you are on a hot streak, even if
you're getting your ass whooped.
Now that's some good advice, John, whether you know it or not. Take it or
leave it. Crybaby.
-Paul Popinjay
"John_Brian_K" <John_Brian_Kent_1677@Yahoo.Com > wrote in message
news:1166628605.874892.228200@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hello All,
>
> Just a few ramblings about PokerStars. Please take this for what it
> is. Not a "PokerStars is rigged" discussion, but a discussion about
> the beats that happen on that site. A few of you know that I just
> recently deposited 50.00 to PokerStars. My first deposit to an online
> site. I now have .84 left and plan on dominating the .01-.02 limit
> game (LOL) I am not going to waste my time searching for and pasting
> hand histories for those who believe the stories I am going to complain
> about I would appreciate your input for those who do not believe some
> of the beats I am going to post..., well there is nothing I can do
> about that.
>
> With all of that being said I will share some of the ways I lost 50.00
> so quickly for those who care. 15.00 was a donation while I was
> playing drunk .50-1.00 NL roughly 22.00 was lost in NLHE MTT 2.00
> transferred to a friend and the rest lost playing various tables with
> varrying limits.
>
> I saw my fullhouses beat by better fullhouses.
> I saw my nut flush lose to a straight flush.
> I saw my Top 2 lose to a set.
> I saw my middle set lose to higher middle set.
> I saw my 3 board straight lose to a higher straight.
> I also saw me donking some of my chips with bad play.
>
> Now again I am not saying rigged or anything the only thing I am
> trying to figure out is.....I play live mainly and honestly have only
> seen 2 of the above happen in live play (with me in the pot) in the
> last 4 years. I played on PokerStars for 6-7 days maybe for about
> 1/10000 of the total time spent at a B&M. This just does not compute
> to me. I am sure some of you do well on these sites and I am happy for
> you, but for me I am done with it.
>
> In order to keep good faith when it comes to some of the tourneys
> RGPers are planning upcomming (I believe they are still being planned I
> have not been keeping up with posts lately and I did mention my
> interest in playing these) I suggest this to anyone who may be
> interested in helping me out. I do not want to re deposit because I do
> not have the will power to resist playing for real money so I would
> like to send a trustworthy source on here who plays and has an account
> on PokerStars the total buy ins for the tourneys that are being planned
> maybe a money order or cashiers check and have that person deposit the
> buy ins for the tourneys as they come up.
>
> I know this is asking alot especially for someone none of you really
> know, but it would be appreciated because I would still like to see how
> I would do playing in a tourney I know most of the people playing on
> play well.
>
> Fire away.
>
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 18:14:45
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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On 20 Dec 2006 07:30:06 -0800, "John_Brian_K" <John_Brian_Kent_1677@Yahoo.Com >
wrote:
>Hello All,
> Just a few ramblings about PokerStars. Please take this for what it
>is. Not a "PokerStars is rigged" discussion, but a discussion about
>the beats that happen on that site.
What could it mean, though? Either the site is honest, in which case the beats
are no different in form or character than the beats at any other site (except
to the extent you might get bad beat more by worse players), or else the
site is rigged. Only if it's rigged are the beats you'd expect to see any
different.
My "rigged" site is UB. I play there every once in a while and seem to lose
to absurd shit. I will only play there for microstakes. Last night I played
some points games just to see some beats, and of course, I promptly got
AA beat by AK, which flopped KK8. So I know the feeling of a site seeming
to have it in for you. In the case of UB, I just won't play there for any
significant amount of money. But with UB, there are other rational reasons
to stay away. Their customer service is a joke, you have to look at a
picture of an ugly-ass Phil Hellmuth when you open the client, the games
have declined in quality, and on top of all that, it's rigged^H^H^H^H^H^Hcursed.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:53:01
From:
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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Yeah DUHH of course RiverStars is rigged. You see more crazy bad beats
in an hour there than you would see in a lifetime of playing live.
Shills will disagree but they are just doing their job. There is
absolutely no resemblance between the rigged Stars game and a live
game. None whatsoever. They are cheating
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 14:19:43
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: POKERSTARS Ramble
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Weren't you going to post your hand histories on a website? Where is the
link? if you need a site, I would gladly help you out.
Scott
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