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Date: 29 Nov 2006 22:14:08
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: OT: Never happen!
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"Yes; we may all congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing
its close. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. The best
blood of the flower of American youth has been freely offered upon our
country's altar that the Nation might live. It has been, indeed a
trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the future a crisis
approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of
my country.
"As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of
corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the
country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the
prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and
the Republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than
ever before, even in the midst of the war."
ABRAHAM LINCOLN - 1865
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 22:59:35
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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True... history does play little tricks on us.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061130/ap_on_re_as/japan_nuclear_weapons
On Nov 29 2006 10:14 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> "Yes; we may all congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing
> its close. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. The best
> blood of the flower of American youth has been freely offered upon our
> country's altar that the Nation might live. It has been, indeed a
> trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the future a crisis
> approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of
> my country.
>
> "As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of
> corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the
> country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the
> prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and
> the Republic is destroyed.
> I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than
> ever before, even in the midst of the war."
>
> ABRAHAM LINCOLN - 1865
RazzO
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 08:52:35
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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On Nov 29 2006 10:14 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> "Yes; we may all congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing
> its close. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. The best
> blood of the flower of American youth has been freely offered upon our
> country's altar that the Nation might live. It has been, indeed a
> trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the future a crisis
> approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of
> my country.
>
> "As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of
> corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the
> country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the
> prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and
> the Republic is destroyed.
> I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than
> ever before, even in the midst of the war."
>
> ABRAHAM LINCOLN - 1865
Should have allowed the south to secede. What right did our forefathers
have to force them to stay? I believe the world would have been fine with
a USA and a CSA in existence.
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Date: 01 Dec
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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On Nov 30 2006 10:52 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> On Nov 29 2006 10:14 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
> > "Yes; we may all congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing
> > its close. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. The best
> > blood of the flower of American youth has been freely offered upon our
> > country's altar that the Nation might live. It has been, indeed a
> > trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the future a crisis
> > approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of
> > my country.
> >
> > "As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of
> > corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the
> > country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the
> > prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and
> > the Republic is destroyed.
> > I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than
> > ever before, even in the midst of the war."
> >
> > ABRAHAM LINCOLN - 1865
>
> Should have allowed the south to secede. What right did our forefathers
> have to force them to stay? I believe the world would have been fine with
> a USA and a CSA in existence.
It was simply the 2nd American revolution. This one happened to be crushed
through tremendous bloodshed.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 10:04:49
From: Stephen Jacobs
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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"brewmaster" <brewmaster@brewcam.com > wrote in message
news:jre344xrur.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> Should have allowed the south to secede. What right did our forefathers
> have to force them to stay? I believe the world would have been fine with
> a USA and a CSA in existence.
>
Only that isn't the way it happened. The CSA foreclosed debate by seizing
all US property in lands it claimed and firing on a US military
installation. In the context of the politics of that time, the rest was
automatic. The thing that amazes me is that they did this in response to a
mostly-symbolic reversal (Lincoln's election) at a time when they were
generally winning politically.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 08:56:52
From: NCL
Subject: Re: Never happen!
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"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1164867248.007665.16490@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> "Yes; we may all congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing
> its close. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. The best
> blood of the flower of American youth has been freely offered upon our
> country's altar that the Nation might live. It has been, indeed a
> trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the future a crisis
> approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of
> my country.
> <snip>
I thought this rhetoric (the second parargraph actually) sounded a little
too prescient for 1865.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.htm
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 00:27:44
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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jd00123 wrote:
> Since you brought up the comparison, had you lived in the north in the
> early1860's, would you have been one of the copperheads calling for Lincolns
> head for involving the country in a unpopular war?
How on earth would I possibly know what I would have thought of
anything had I been born over a century earlier?
Your question is inane.
(And I'm not making any "comparison." I'm simply sharing a stunningly
prescient thought from Lincoln)
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Date: 30 Nov
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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On Nov 30 2006 2:27 AM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> jd00123 wrote:
>
>
> > Since you brought up the comparison, had you lived in the north in the
> > early1860's, would you have been one of the copperheads calling for Lincolns
> > head for involving the country in a unpopular war?
>
>
> How on earth would I possibly know what I would have thought of
> anything had I been born over a century earlier?
>
> Your question is inane.
>
> (And I'm not making any "comparison." I'm simply sharing a stunningly
> prescient thought from Lincoln)
Sorry, youre right, you meant no comparisons with current events. I forgot you
were in the habit of posting "prescient statements" from historical figures.
While your perusing history for some more "prescient statements", check
Washington's farewell address to the nation and his warnings about partisan
politics. Thats a subject you are very familiar with.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 01:07:18
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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jd00123 wrote:
> Ok, maybe you would have supported the south?
MAYBE I would have. The answer is unknowable.
Again--you're being inane.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 09:33:55
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1164877638.779676.64310@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> jd00123 wrote:
>
>> Ok, maybe you would have supported the south?
>
>
> MAYBE I would have. The answer is unknowable.
>
> Again--you're being inane.
>
Again, you're being assinine.
You just don't know shit about history, so you don't know what the fuck to
say to jd00123 without sounding even more stupid than we all actually know
you are anyway. Your only knowledge of anything is what you currently read,
which, of course, is totally left-biased. If I am not right on the mark,
then go ahead and attempt to answer jd00123's question. Bitch!
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 08:55:14
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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On Nov 30 2006 1:33 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
> "OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1164877638.779676.64310@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > jd00123 wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, maybe you would have supported the south?
> >
> >
> > MAYBE I would have. The answer is unknowable.
> >
> > Again--you're being inane.
> >
>
> Again, you're being assinine.
>
> You just don't know shit about history, so you don't know what the fuck to
> say to jd00123 without sounding even more stupid than we all actually know
> you are anyway. Your only knowledge of anything is what you currently read,
> which, of course, is totally left-biased. If I am not right on the mark,
> then go ahead and attempt to answer jd00123's question. Bitch!
It's an easy question: I would have supported the south. They had every
right to secede and form their own country. Whether people in the north
agreed with their ideology, and whether anybody agrees with it now, is a
moot point. They had a right to their own beliefs, and to set up a
country based on those beliefs. The civil war only exposed the fact that
we not "United" states anymore, but enslaved states.
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Date: 30 Nov
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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On Nov 30 2006 2:27 AM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> jd00123 wrote:
>
>
> > Since you brought up the comparison, had you lived in the north in the
> > early1860's, would you have been one of the copperheads calling for Lincolns
> > head for involving the country in a unpopular war?
>
>
> How on earth would I possibly know what I would have thought of
> anything had I been born over a century earlier?
>
> Your question is inane.
>
> (And I'm not making any "comparison." I'm simply sharing a stunningly
> prescient thought from Lincoln)
Ok, maybe you would have supported the south?
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Date: 30 Nov
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: OT: Never happen!
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On Nov 30 2006 12:14 AM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> "Yes; we may all congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing
> its close. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. The best
> blood of the flower of American youth has been freely offered upon our
> country's altar that the Nation might live. It has been, indeed a
> trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the future a crisis
> approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of
> my country.
>
> "As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of
> corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the
> country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the
> prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and
> the Republic is destroyed.
> I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than
> ever before, even in the midst of the war."
>
> ABRAHAM LINCOLN - 1865
Since you brought up the comparison, had you lived in the north in the
early1860's, would you have been one of the copperheads calling for Lincolns
head for involving the country in a unpopular war?
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 08:12:02
From: WuzYoungOnceToo
Subject: Re: Never happen!
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On Nov 30, 8:56 am, "NCL" <don$%&wa...@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> I thought this rhetoric (the second parargraph actually) sounded a little
> too prescient for 1865.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.htm
What? Orange, a willing dupe in the spreading of propagandist
bullshit? I'm shocked...SHOCKED, I tell you!
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