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Date: 12 Dec 2006 18:42:40
From: mo_charles
Subject: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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[in response to a post by Casey]
"
> WTF is pro-abortion? Does that mean you think everyone should get one?
> Maybe it's me, but I see a big difference between pro-choice and
pro-abortion.
>
> Mark
It's pro-infanticide. There is no difference between the two terms.
Casey
"
i attended a dutch christian reform high school (my parents fretted i'd do
more drugs and sleep with more sluts at the public school; christians do
lots of drugs, and christian girls are totally easy, who knew?). in any
event, my junior year in a civics class i was assigned the task of
presenting an argument about abortion. the pro-life option was a slam, so
i said "fuck it" and opted to argue pro-choice. can you figure out where
i found my most effective defense? THE BIBLE:
- Genesis Chapter 2
"
15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to
dress it and to keep it.
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden
thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
"
why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
mo_charles
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Date: 13 Dec
From: Necron99
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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You cannot base a critique on the merits of abortion (or any topic) on the basis
of religious faith.
Outside of those who also subscribe to your belief system, you arguments are
pointless, inside your club, well you all have a book of some kind to tell you
what to think.
To accept a biblical view on anything is to make equally valid any unprovable
statement, no matter how ridiculous.
The PP's of the world just don't understand that when they argue something is
wrong because god said..blah blah, secular rational thinkers give these
arguments as much credit as they do their child's belief in the Easter bunny.
Other non secular people, the majority of whom wont share your particular
fantasy, have their own book telling them something different.
If you want to debate it go ahead, but for christs sake (hehe) make it an
intelligent one.
The so called sanctity of life is a religious construct evolving from a time
when organized religion was the best and most effective way to enforce what are
ultimately socially beneficial concepts.
We no longer require the myth to support these constructs.
So, is a human life sacred?
In criminal justice we consider Murder to be the most heinous of crimes, is
abortion murder of a human being?
If so when in the reproductive cycle does human life begin?
And...what on earth gives us the fucking right to hold ourselves so superior
from all the other biological constructs on this planet?
Abortion, cloning, stem cell research, go for it all, at the end of the day
Man's only thought is the benefit of Man with the welfare of this Man (insert
yourself here) or their progeny being of prime consideration.
Future generations will look back on this debate with the same amusement we look
at primitive tribal beliefs, the Amish or those nut jobs that don't allow blood
transfusions.
On Dec 13 2006 1:42 PM, mo_charles wrote:
> [in response to a post by Casey]
>
> "
> > WTF is pro-abortion? Does that mean you think everyone should get one?
> > Maybe it's me, but I see a big difference between pro-choice and
> pro-abortion.
> >
> > Mark
>
> It's pro-infanticide. There is no difference between the two terms.
>
> Casey
> "
>
> i attended a dutch christian reform high school (my parents fretted i'd do
> more drugs and sleep with more sluts at the public school; christians do
> lots of drugs, and christian girls are totally easy, who knew?). in any
> event, my junior year in a civics class i was assigned the task of
> presenting an argument about abortion. the pro-life option was a slam, so
> i said "fuck it" and opted to argue pro-choice. can you figure out where
> i found my most effective defense? THE BIBLE:
>
> - Genesis Chapter 2
>
> "
> 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to
> dress it and to keep it.
>
> 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden
> thou mayest freely eat:
>
> 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
> it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
> "
>
> why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
>
> mo_charles
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 12:39:23
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> You cannot base a critique on the merits of abortion (or any topic) on the
basis
> of religious faith.
> Outside of those who also subscribe to your belief system, you arguments are
> pointless, inside your club, well you all have a book of some kind to tell
you
> what to think.
> To accept a biblical view on anything is to make equally valid any unprovable
> statement, no matter how ridiculous.
> The PP's of the world just don't understand that when they argue something is
> wrong because god said..blah blah, secular rational thinkers give these
> arguments as much credit as they do their child's belief in the Easter bunny.
> Other non secular people, the majority of whom wont share your particular
> fantasy, have their own book telling them something different.
>
> If you want to debate it go ahead, but for christs sake (hehe) make it an
> intelligent one.
i always thought the best way to deconstruct another's views was to start
within their understood framework, then annihilate it from the inside
leaving them nowhere to hide. thanks for setting me straight.
> The so called sanctity of life is a religious construct evolving from a
time
> when organized religion was the best and most effective way to enforce what
are
> ultimately socially beneficial concepts.
> We no longer require the myth to support these constructs.
if sanctity of life is a religious construct, then a non-religious society
wouldn't ascribe to it. is that the utopian paradise you're suggesting we
establish, my atheist friend?
> So, is a human life sacred?
> In criminal justice we consider Murder to be the most heinous of crimes, is
> abortion murder of a human being?
> If so when in the reproductive cycle does human life begin?
good questions. got any answers?
> And...what on earth gives us the fucking right to hold ourselves so superior
> from all the other biological constructs on this planet?
> Abortion, cloning, stem cell research, go for it all, at the end of the day
> Man's only thought is the benefit of Man with the welfare of this Man (insert
> yourself here) or their progeny being of prime consideration.
> Future generations will look back on this debate with the same amusement we
look
> at primitive tribal beliefs, the Amish or those nut jobs that don't allow
blood
> transfusions.
what the hell are you babbling about here?
mo_charles
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Date: 13 Dec 22:36:28
From: Necron99
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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On Dec 14 2006 7:39 AM, mo_charles wrote:
> if sanctity of life is a religious construct, then a non-religious society
> wouldn't ascribe to it. is that the utopian paradise you're suggesting we
> establish, my atheist friend?
You're living in it Mo, I would argue that virtually no modern society gives
more than lip service to the sanctity of human life.
We directly sanction the taking of life in numerous situations and through
inaction allow life to expire in countless others.
>
> > So, is a human life sacred?
> > In criminal justice we consider Murder to be the most heinous of crimes, is
> > abortion murder of a human being?
> > If so when in the reproductive cycle does human life begin?
>
> good questions. got any answers?
Yes, abortion isn't murder.
Murder would roughly be described as "Willfully and unlawfully taking the life
of another"
The key word here is unlawful, we as a society allow life to be taken when and
how it suits us, we do this every day.
Abortion is just another one of the many ways we do this.
>
> > And...what on earth gives us the fucking right to hold ourselves so superior
> > from all the other biological constructs on this planet?
> > Abortion, cloning, stem cell research, go for it all, at the end of the day
> > Man's only thought is the benefit of Man with the welfare of this Man
> > (insert
> > yourself here) or their progeny being of prime consideration.
> > Future generations will look back on this debate with the same amusement we
> look
> > at primitive tribal beliefs, the Amish or those nut jobs that don't allow
> blood
> > transfusions.
>
> what the hell are you babbling about here?
Babbling of course.
Ultimately any collective group's prime purpose is to expand and extend the
collective. Lets just drop all pretenses and get on with it.
>
> mo_charles
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 00:47:31
From: Von Fourche
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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"mo_charles" <harrybalzer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:0u5454x1g6.ln2@recgroups.com...
> [in response to a post by Casey]
>
> "
>> WTF is pro-abortion? Does that mean you think everyone should get one?
>> Maybe it's me, but I see a big difference between pro-choice and
> pro-abortion.
>>
>> Mark
>
> It's pro-infanticide. There is no difference between the two terms.
>
> Casey
This is all really simple. It doesn't matter what you, I, or any other
man thinks or wants. It's want woman think and want. Most woman want the
right to have an abortion. They may never come close to having one. They
may even think the idea of an abortion to be horrible and disgusting. But
most want the right to an abortion just in case. Only woman who want the
right taken away are woman who get knocked up when young, get an abortion,
and now show up on religions cable networks preaching that woman in their
position right now should not have the right they had way back then.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 06:08:12
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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"Von Fourche" <Khonakong@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:elo45e$obp$1@aioe.org...
>
>
> This is all really simple. It doesn't matter what you, I, or any other
> man thinks or wants.
No, Von Fourche, you are what is all really simple.
A woman doesn't get the 'right' to choose to kill a full grown human being,
does she, numb nuts?
Murder is MURDER! You coldblooded fuck.
warmest regards,
-Paul Popinjay
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 06:15:21
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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"Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:gNMfh.68135$si3.10823@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> "Von Fourche" <Khonakong@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:elo45e$obp$1@aioe.org...
> >
> >
> > This is all really simple. It doesn't matter what you, I, or any
other
> > man thinks or wants.
>
>
> No, Von Fourche, you are what is all really simple.
>
> A woman doesn't get the 'right' to choose to kill a full grown human
being,
> does she, numb nuts?
A potential life isn't a full grown human being, is it numb nuts?
>
> Murder is MURDER! You coldblooded fuck.
And abortion is abortion.
And Abortion isn't murder.
>
> warmest regards,
> -Paul Popinjay
>
>
>
>
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 06:23:22
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
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> And abortion is abortion.
> And Abortion isn't murder.
>
What is this shit? I thought you were too embarrassed to come on RGP
anymore, since the Ramashivameister cleaned your clock and bitch-slapped the
fuck out of you. I'd hide if I was you.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 22:56:20
From: John A. Fish
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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Paul Popinjay wrote:
> What is this shit? I thought you were too embarrassed to come on RGP
> anymore, since the Ramashivameister cleaned your clock and bitch-slapped the
> fuck out of you. I'd hide if I was you.
Were. If I were you. Not trying to be pedantic. This is in the Xmas
spirit.
Cheers and Happy Holidays,
John Fish
P.S. I enjoyed the painting. Very Norman Rockwell like. It takes me
back to a different time. I miss those days.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:10:21
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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"John A. Fish" <jrh@horsecreek.homeip.net > wrote in message
news:457FA414.3010808@horsecreek.homeip.net...
> Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
>> What is this shit? I thought you were too embarrassed to come on RGP
>> anymore, since the Ramashivameister cleaned your clock and bitch-slapped
>> the fuck out of you. I'd hide if I was you.
>
> Were. If I were you. Not trying to be pedantic. This is in the Xmas
> spirit.
>
If you were me? If you was me what? I was saying that if I was Beldin I
would be embarrassed and hide. What are you saying? That if you was me
when I was Beldin, you'd hide too? What if Beldin was you, when you was me
as I was Beldin?
I'm trying to remember what Ramashiva used to call him. Was it something
like Bel-dingbat or something like that? rotflmao. Good one, Ramashiva!
That Ramashiva can crack me up some times. He has a super sense of humor,
with precision timing. He's a master.
-Paul Popinjay
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 23:15:26
From: John A. Fish
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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Paul Popinjay wrote:
> "John A. Fish" <jrh@horsecreek.homeip.net> wrote in message
> news:457FA414.3010808@horsecreek.homeip.net...
>> Paul Popinjay wrote:
>>
>>> What is this shit? I thought you were too embarrassed to come on RGP
>>> anymore, since the Ramashivameister cleaned your clock and bitch-slapped
>>> the fuck out of you. I'd hide if I was you.
>> Were. If I were you. Not trying to be pedantic. This is in the Xmas
>> spirit.
>>
>
>
> If you were me? If you was me what? I was saying that if I was Beldin I
> would be embarrassed and hide. What are you saying? That if you was me
> when I was Beldin, you'd hide too? What if Beldin was you, when you was me
> as I was Beldin?
>
> I'm trying to remember what Ramashiva used to call him. Was it something
> like Bel-dingbat or something like that? rotflmao. Good one, Ramashiva!
> That Ramashiva can crack me up some times. He has a super sense of humor,
> with precision timing. He's a master.
I see your point. What were I thinking?
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 03:49:29
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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"Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:xHNfh.68143$si3.64572@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> "John A. Fish" <jrh@horsecreek.homeip.net> wrote in message
> news:457FA414.3010808@horsecreek.homeip.net...
> > Paul Popinjay wrote:
> >
> >> What is this shit? I thought you were too embarrassed to come on RGP
> >> anymore, since the Ramashivameister cleaned your clock and
bitch-slapped
> >> the fuck out of you. I'd hide if I was you.
> >
> > Were. If I were you. Not trying to be pedantic. This is in the Xmas
> > spirit.
> >
>
>
> If you were me? If you was me what? I was saying that if I was Beldin I
> would be embarrassed and hide. What are you saying? That if you was me
> when I was Beldin, you'd hide too? What if Beldin was you, when you was
me
> as I was Beldin?
>
> I'm trying to remember what Ramashiva used to call him. Was it something
> like Bel-dingbat or something like that? rotflmao. Good one, Ramashiva!
> That Ramashiva can crack me up some times. He has a super sense of humor,
> with precision timing. He's a master.
>
> -Paul Popinjay
Half right
he's a master-baiter
>
>
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 03:48:38
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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"Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:ZTMfh.4963$IG6.3007@trndny01...
> >
> > And abortion is abortion.
> > And Abortion isn't murder.
> >
>
> What is this shit? I thought you were too embarrassed to come on RGP
> anymore, since the Ramashivameister cleaned your clock and bitch-slapped
the
> fuck out of you. I'd hide if I was you.
>
Ramsitintheass couldn't clean a clock with a feather duster.
>
>
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 12:27:25
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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> > It's pro-infanticide. There is no difference between the two terms.
>
> This is all really simple. It doesn't matter what you, I, or any other
> man thinks or wants. It's want woman think and want. Most woman want the
> right to have an abortion. They may never come close to having one. They
> may even think the idea of an abortion to be horrible and disgusting. But
> most want the right to an abortion just in case. Only woman who want the
> right taken away are woman who get knocked up when young, get an abortion,
> and now show up on religions cable networks preaching that woman in their
> position right now should not have the right they had way back then.
if you believe abortion to be murder, it sure as hell matters to people
other than the women considering having them. i think you'll find the
women who've had abortions who preach against the practice should be
listened to rather than scorned.
the best understanding of an issue is usually arrived at by examining it
from the other side.
mo_charles
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 20:31:42
From: Casey
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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mo_charles wrote:
> [in response to a post by Casey]
> It's pro-infanticide. There is no difference between the two terms.
>
> Casey
>
>
> i attended a dutch christian reform high school (my parents fretted i'd do
> more drugs and sleep with more sluts at the public school; christians do
> lots of drugs, and christian girls are totally easy, who knew?). in any
> event, my junior year in a civics class i was assigned the task of
> presenting an argument about abortion. the pro-life option was a slam, so
> i said "fuck it" and opted to argue pro-choice. can you figure out where
> i found my most effective defense? THE BIBLE:
<snip >
Mo, where was that defense of abortion? The verses you quote only
describe the fall of man. These verses set the stage for all that has
happened -- mankind gains its inherent sin-nature through Adam.
So the verses that you quoted are the story of the root cause of all
sin that ever takes place.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 04:37:15
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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"Casey" <cashed@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165984302.946813.308000@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Mo, where was that defense of abortion? The verses you quote only
> describe the fall of man. These verses set the stage for all that has
> happened -- mankind gains its inherent sin-nature through Adam.
>
> So the verses that you quoted are the story of the root cause of all
> sin that ever takes place.
>
Mo is not ok with abortion. Mo is on the side of good.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 03:49:48
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> > Mo, where was that defense of abortion? The verses you quote only
> > describe the fall of man. These verses set the stage for all that has
> > happened -- mankind gains its inherent sin-nature through Adam.
> >
> > So the verses that you quoted are the story of the root cause of all
> > sin that ever takes place.
>
> Mo is not ok with abortion. Mo is on the side of good.
i'm on whatever side you're on, buddy.
get fucked.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 14:02:14
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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"mo_charles" <harrybalzer@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>>
>
> i'm on whatever side you're on, buddy.
>
> get fucked.
>
> mo_charles
>
Mo, look me up sometime when you visit California, we could have a couple
beers and see the sites together. Hey Mo, do you like to smoke PCP? Do you
ever get wet on Angel Dust? It's cool, you could be at the park with all
your homies, listening to tunes and smoking Dust, and it seems like a really
cool song is playing, and you then realize that that was like five songs
ago. It's totally cool. You stop at the store on the way to the pad, to
buy some rolling papers and beer, and you wonder, hey man, how'd I get here
from the park. Oh, man, it's trippy when time stands still. Look me up,
dude. We can go popping caps in some other barrios. Take care some
business, y'know. Carve 'RGP' on someone's forehead, and just get the
giggles. Dude, we'll have some good times.
-Paul Popinjay
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 03:48:06
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> > i attended a dutch christian reform high school (my parents fretted i'd do
> > more drugs and sleep with more sluts at the public school; christians do
> > lots of drugs, and christian girls are totally easy, who knew?). in any
> > event, my junior year in a civics class i was assigned the task of
> > presenting an argument about abortion. the pro-life option was a slam, so
> > i said "fuck it" and opted to argue pro-choice. can you figure out where
> > i found my most effective defense? THE BIBLE:
>
> <snip>
>
> Mo, where was that defense of abortion? The verses you quote only
> describe the fall of man. These verses set the stage for all that has
> happened -- mankind gains its inherent sin-nature through Adam.
>
> So the verses that you quoted are the story of the root cause of all
> sin that ever takes place.
listening to your pastor and behaving in a way that he says your Bible
tells you is fine in life, but it's not gonna cut it HERE, in one of MY
threads, on rgp, where the really important stuff gets done.
the verses i quoted (that you snipped) presented man's situation prior to
the invention of the fine female figure and (NOT coincidentally) our
sinful nature. i said nothing of man's impending weakness. i presented
the situation as G_d presented it - how he absolutely wanted it. if G_d
didn't want us to make important choices, why'd he give one to Adam?
mo_charles
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 20:01:44
From:
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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mo_charles wrote:
> [in response to a post by Casey]
>
> "
> > WTF is pro-abortion? Does that mean you think everyone should get one?
> > Maybe it's me, but I see a big difference between pro-choice and
> pro-abortion.
> >
> > Mark
>
> It's pro-infanticide. There is no difference between the two terms.
>
> Casey
> "
>
> i attended a dutch christian reform high school (my parents fretted i'd do
> more drugs and sleep with more sluts at the public school; christians do
> lots of drugs, and christian girls are totally easy, who knew?). in any
> event, my junior year in a civics class i was assigned the task of
> presenting an argument about abortion. the pro-life option was a slam, so
> i said "fuck it" and opted to argue pro-choice. can you figure out where
> i found my most effective defense? THE BIBLE:
>
> - Genesis Chapter 2
>
> "
> 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to
> dress it and to keep it.
>
> 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden
> thou mayest freely eat:
>
> 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
> it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
> "
>
> why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
>
> mo_charles
>
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I'm pro-infantacide up to 2 years of age. Thanks God the dutch are
already doing it.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 04:05:53
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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<abe.buckingham@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
>
> I'm pro-infantacide up to 2 years of age. Thanks God the dutch are
> already doing it.
>
What do you mean the Dutch are doing it? What are they doing? I wanna hear
this. Please tell me more.
-Paul Popinjay
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 03:18:50
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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"mo_charles" <harrybalzer@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
>
Obviously he didn't want a bunch of little programmed sheep-like machines.
My understanding was that He was lonely, so he made us. Good thing for us,
though. Good thing he wasn't just as content collecting stamps or
something.
I hope He ain't reading RGP tonight. People like Patti Beadles must really
piss Him off. If I was him, I'd be wanting some friggin vengence.
-Paul Popinjay
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Date: 13 Dec
From: Tanya AKA MissT74
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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On Dec 12 2006 8:18 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
> If I was him, I'd be wanting some friggin vengence.
>
> -Paul Popinjay
Isn't that what Judgment Day is all about??
T
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 03:35:32
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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> > If I was him, I'd be wanting some friggin vengence.
>
> Isn't that what Judgment Day is all about??
why judge in the day? it's warm out; the birds are singing; not a cloud
in the sky. you'd think we'd be allowed to enjoy all that shit and save
judgement for the night.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 03:33:56
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Bible
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> > why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
>
> Obviously he didn't want a bunch of little programmed sheep-like machines.
> My understanding was that He was lonely, so he made us. Good thing for us,
> though. Good thing he wasn't just as content collecting stamps or
> something.
>
> I hope He ain't reading RGP tonight. People like Patti Beadles must really
> piss Him off. If I was him, I'd be wanting some friggin vengence.
most atheists are miserable. can you think of a reason for patti to be
miserable? LOL! ramsituphisass (beldingbat's, not mine) is
indispensible.......sometimes.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 19:03:13
From: Omaha8_Beach
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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mo_charles wrote:
> 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden
> thou mayest freely eat:
>
> 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
> it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
> "
>
> why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
>
> mo_charles
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
If you have any LDS friends you might want to get them to comment on
this. The Church has an interesting perspective on the Garden of Eden
story (there are even some Mormons that believe that Adam is the same
as Jesus).
Anyways, all I want to point out is that later God is quoted as saying
that "The man has now become LIKE one of US." So the whole eating of
the fruit couldn't have been 100% bad according to the story.
Ken
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 03:31:53
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> > 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden
> > thou mayest freely eat:
> >
> > 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
> > it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
> > "
> >
> > why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
>
> If you have any LDS friends you might want to get them to comment on
> this. The Church has an interesting perspective on the Garden of Eden
> story (there are even some Mormons that believe that Adam is the same
> as Jesus).
my knowledge about mormonism is limited to what southpark teaches me -
underwear can only be magical if it's worn by a hot girl and removed.
adam is the same as jesus? that kind of puts a wrench in the infallible
bit. i wonder why a religion would want to render another religion's
figurehead impotent?
> Anyways, all I want to point out is that later God is quoted as saying
> that "The man has now become LIKE one of US." So the whole eating of
> the fruit couldn't have been 100% bad according to the story.
i never said eating the fruit was 100% bad; i believe one should eat
three servings of fruit daily. if G_d didn't want man to eat from the
tree of knowledge of good and evil, he should have made it out of
something less tasty, no?
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:32:34
From:
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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This entire thread is silly. Why are some of you quoting someone/thing
(god) who doesn't even exist?
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:23:49
From: David Nicoson
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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mo_charles wrote:
> the pro-life option was a slam, so
> i said "fuck it" and opted to argue pro-choice. can you figure out where
> i found my most effective defense? THE BIBLE:
>
> - Genesis Chapter 2
>
> "
> 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to
> dress it and to keep it.
>
> 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden
> thou mayest freely eat:
>
> 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
> it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
> "
>
> why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
Is there anything you can't justify with this line of thinking?
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 12:46:10
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> > why did G_d offer man the choice if he didn't want him to choose?
>
> Is there anything you can't justify with this line of thinking?
man is offered the option to do anything; social constructs (frequently
founded on religious ideals) dictate whether said behavior should be
rewarded or punished and how. for a religious person, it's the process
that matters (does the man who hedges with a faith in G_d worthy of
salvation?). so, why would a religious person care whether something is
categorized a certain way and punished a certain way by society? isn't
justice served later by the greatest judge of all?
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 06:58:01
From:
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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Bob T. wrote:
> abe.buckingham@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > http://www.chninternational.com/chninfo3.htm
> >
> > That should give you some background.
>
> Paul should _love_ this site - they are anti-euthanasia fanatics! They
> are so unbiased that they are still trying to keep Terri Schiavo alive:
>
> "TERRI SCHIAVO - the fight goes on
>
> THE WORLD KNOWS TERRI MARIE SCHINDLER SCHIAVO DIED FROM DEATH BY FORCED
> STARVATION AND FORCED DEHYDRATION - AS SOME CALL IT EUTHANASIA, FRIDAY
> MARCH 31, 2005 - WE CALL IT MURDER - HERE IS CHN'S PRESS RELEASE"
>
> If you want to know when the Dutch are actually performing euthanasia,
> and why, you'll have to find some other site to research it. The
> people at CHN are 100% convinced that God takes you when he wants you,
> and if you die one minute early, it's murder.
>
> - Bob T.
God takes you when he wants you, the key is to remember that God wants
doctors to kill people, that's how he gets them on time. I mean, it's
God's master plan and all so no WAY they could die early. Honestly, I
don't see why Christians aren't thanking these people for doing God's
work.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 06:51:48
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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abe.buckingham@gmail.com wrote:
>
> http://www.chninternational.com/chninfo3.htm
>
> That should give you some background.
Paul should _love_ this site - they are anti-euthanasia fanatics! They
are so unbiased that they are still trying to keep Terri Schiavo alive:
"TERRI SCHIAVO - the fight goes on
THE WORLD KNOWS TERRI MARIE SCHINDLER SCHIAVO DIED FROM DEATH BY FORCED
STARVATION AND FORCED DEHYDRATION - AS SOME CALL IT EUTHANASIA, FRIDAY
MARCH 31, 2005 - WE CALL IT MURDER - HERE IS CHN'S PRESS RELEASE"
If you want to know when the Dutch are actually performing euthanasia,
and why, you'll have to find some other site to research it. The
people at CHN are 100% convinced that God takes you when he wants you,
and if you die one minute early, it's murder.
- Bob T.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 19:54:17
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:1166021508.259564.96200@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Paul should _love_ this site - they are anti-euthanasia fanatics! They
> are so unbiased that they are still trying to keep Terri Schiavo alive:
>
I don't know for sure where you stood during the Terri Schiavo fiasco, but I
can guess. They killed this innocent girl by starving and dehydrating her
to death during a two week period. Meanwhile, in other parts of the
country, they are making a big deal because vicious killers who are
condemned to death for heinous crimes might actually feel a little
uncomfortable when getting executed. Really, don't even get me started on
this subject again. That girl never harmed no one, and they treated her
worse than a career criminal. Don't get me started again. I'll FORCE you
guys to killfile me. You'll get sick of me. I won't let up. I was
extremely upset when this happened. I didn't just play 'upset' on RGP, I
really WAS upset in real life. It bothered the fuck out of me. What
bothered me most, was the extra realization of how COLD you mutherfuckers
are. Just don't get me started.
And one more thing. If I had a daughter, and her husband did what Schiavo
did to my daughter, I would stop at nothing to take care of that
mutherfucker but good. Nice and slow, just like he had done to my daughter.
-Paul Popinjay
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 04:10:29
From:
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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Paul Popinjay wrote:
> <abe.buckingham@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165982504.584725.294510@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >
>
> >
> > I'm pro-infantacide up to 2 years of age. Thanks God the dutch are
> > already doing it.
> >
>
>
> What do you mean the Dutch are doing it? What are they doing? I wanna hear
> this. Please tell me more.
>
> -Paul Popinjay
http://www.chninternational.com/chninfo3.htm
That should give you some background.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 15:34:13
From: Casey
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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Susan wrote:
> I have not entered any opinion on whether I agree with your message or not.
>
> but when you come on here and push your religious beliefs (and yes, they are
> only beliefs) it's makes one wonder what your motive really is.
Oh that's right, I forgot to get your permission to post my beliefs, so
sorry. What do you call a person who hops into a thread that I was
specifically asked to respond in -- that's right, read the original
post if you overlooked that little detail -- and accuses me of being a
troll?
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 17:40:04
From: Susan
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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sorry - a little touchy are we?
I'll stay out of your way.
Please accept my kindest apologies.
It is refreshing to hear you say "beliefs" rather than spewing everything as
fact..
You see, my "belief" is that you are a worthless troll.
**poink**
"Casey" <cashed@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166052853.833301.12160@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Susan wrote:
>> I have not entered any opinion on whether I agree with your message or
>> not.
>>
>> but when you come on here and push your religious beliefs (and yes, they
>> are
>> only beliefs) it's makes one wonder what your motive really is.
>
> Oh that's right, I forgot to get your permission to post my beliefs, so
> sorry. What do you call a person who hops into a thread that I was
> specifically asked to respond in -- that's right, read the original
> post if you overlooked that little detail -- and accuses me of being a
> troll?
>
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 18:01:33
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote:
>**poink**
You amateur.
Peg
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 18:17:31
From: Susan
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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I know - I much more lenient than you. Not nearly as experienced.
You are my hero - right up there with Paul Popinjay.
"Peg Smith" <PegSmithNow@aol.comnojunk > wrote in message
news:k251o293lutqipppeu8gagd9nphu75dgpn@4ax.com...
> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>**poink**
>
> You amateur.
>
> Peg
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 19:40:04
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote:
>You are my hero...
I know. It's only natural.
Peg
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 15:13:24
From: Casey
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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Susan wrote:
> well, It's hard to believe you just showed up to troll.
>
>
> "Casey" <cashed@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1166048343.293116.92880@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Susan, LOL!
> >
> > Were the suggestion not so laughably wrong, I would probably be quite
> > offended.
Oh, that's right, because you don't agree with my message, I am a
troll.
How silly.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 17:30:32
From: Susan
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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I have not entered any opinion on whether I agree with your message or not.
but when you come on here and push your religious beliefs (and yes, they are
only beliefs) it's makes one wonder what your motive really is.
"Casey" <cashed@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166051603.974386.101000@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> Susan wrote:
>> well, It's hard to believe you just showed up to troll.
>>
>>
>> "Casey" <cashed@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166048343.293116.92880@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Susan, LOL!
>> >
>> > Were the suggestion not so laughably wrong, I would probably be quite
>> > offended.
>
> Oh, that's right, because you don't agree with my message, I am a
> troll.
>
> How silly.
>
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 14:19:03
From: Casey
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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Peg Smith wrote:
> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >question - don't answer too quickly but think about it
> >
> >WillyColeman = Casey? Look at the word usage and sentence structure.
Susan, LOL!
Were the suggestion not so laughably wrong, I would probably be quite
offended.
>
> I thought Willy was pro choice?
>
> Peg
Peg, and as his actions (or at least his narratives) would indicate,
completely against almost every commandment of God.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 16:56:19
From: Susan
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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well, It's hard to believe you just showed up to troll.
"Casey" <cashed@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166048343.293116.92880@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Susan, LOL!
>
> Were the suggestion not so laughably wrong, I would probably be quite
> offended.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 14:15:33
From: Casey
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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mo_charles wrote:
> let's stretch the assertion. you were born in tehran to a devoutly muslim
> family, but became a christian. assuming christianity is correct, are you
> "better" than your christian brother who arrived there because his family
> was comprised of devout christians?
Your lack of knowledge is astounding, I cannot and will not lead you
through the most basic foundations of Christianity.
If you actually thirst for Biblical knowledge then you will seek out
these answers.
Try www.bibleforum.com
If you only wish to have wasted some of my time, then you have
succeeded.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 16:06:45
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> > let's stretch the assertion. you were born in tehran to a devoutly muslim
> > family, but became a christian. assuming christianity is correct, are you
> > "better" than your christian brother who arrived there because his family
> > was comprised of devout christians?
>
> Your lack of knowledge is astounding, I cannot and will not lead you
> through the most basic foundations of Christianity.
>
> If you actually thirst for Biblical knowledge then you will seek out
> these answers.
> Try www.bibleforum.com
>
> If you only wish to have wasted some of my time, then you have
> succeeded.
when composing your guide to understanding the basic tenants of
christianity, you should consider using this passage for your intro:
Luke Chapter 12: 45-48:
"
45
But if that servant says to himself, 'My master is delayed in coming,' 9
and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, to eat and drink
and get drunk,
46
then that servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an
unknown hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the
unfaithful.
47
That servant who knew his master's will but did not make preparations nor
act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely;
48
and the servant who was ignorant of his master's will but acted in a way
deserving of a severe beating shall be beaten only lightly. Much will be
required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be
demanded of the person entrusted with more.
"
sure sounds like people are judged according to their circumstances,
doesn't it? what system of absolute justice wouldn't take this kind of
thing into consideration?
now, accepting the premise (jesus just said you should), our poker playing
theologian should knock the following logical conclusion out of the park:
if abortion of all kinds is celebrated by a society, and if a person
living there concludes based on some realization of G_d's will that said
act is sinful, isn't the person who refrains and protests in THESE
circumstances "better" than the one who refrained because he/she was
always told it was wrong?
*BOOM*
mo_charles
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 13:35:35
From: Casey
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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mo_charles wrote:
> i have no idea what the hell you're talking about. G_d offered a life of
> choices, what do you care if our society does the same?
>
> mo_charles
Are you being purposefully obtuse?
I care about society because in general a Christlike populous will and
should strive to create a Christlike society, and in specific a
Christian will seek to live in a Christlike society.
That should be self-evident.
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Date: 13 Dec 22:45:21
From: Follow
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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On Dec 13 2006 2:35 PM, Casey wrote:
> I care about society because in general a Christlike populous will and
> should strive to create a Christlike society, and in specific a
> Christian will seek to live in a Christlike society.
You are fucking creepy.
Follow :)
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 13:54:26
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> > i have no idea what the hell you're talking about. G_d offered a life of
> > choices, what do you care if our society does the same?
>
> Are you being purposefully obtuse?
i'm never obtuse on purpose, though i do find myself intellectually
outmatched on rgp with alarming frequency.
> I care about society because in general a Christlike populous will and
> should strive to create a Christlike society, and in specific a
> Christian will seek to live in a Christlike society.
>
> That should be self-evident.
let's stretch the assertion. you were born in tehran to a devoutly muslim
family, but became a christian. assuming christianity is correct, are you
"better" than your christian brother who arrived there because his family
was comprised of devout christians?
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 12:08:22
From: Casey
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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mo_charles wrote:
> > So the verses that you quoted are the story of the root cause of all
> > sin that ever takes place.
>
> listening to your pastor and behaving in a way that he says your Bible
> tells you is fine in life, but it's not gonna cut it HERE, in one of MY
> threads, on rgp, where the really important stuff gets done.
>
> the verses i quoted (that you snipped) presented man's situation prior to
> the invention of the fine female figure and (NOT coincidentally) our
> sinful nature. i said nothing of man's impending weakness. i presented
> the situation as G_d presented it - how he absolutely wanted it. if G_d
> didn't want us to make important choices, why'd he give one to Adam?
>
> mo_charles
So in your mind, because He allowed man to make a decision, God SHOULD
be pleased no matter what man decides?
Are you kidding?
In every decision there is a right choice, God gives us the gift of
discernment to help us make the right choices, of course many seek only
to please themselves and would rather commit murder than deny
themselves pleasure.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 12:54:13
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> > > So the verses that you quoted are the story of the root cause of all
> > > sin that ever takes place.
> >
> > listening to your pastor and behaving in a way that he says your Bible
> > tells you is fine in life, but it's not gonna cut it HERE, in one of MY
> > threads, on rgp, where the really important stuff gets done.
> >
> > the verses i quoted (that you snipped) presented man's situation prior to
> > the invention of the fine female figure and (NOT coincidentally) our
> > sinful nature. i said nothing of man's impending weakness. i presented
> > the situation as G_d presented it - how he absolutely wanted it. if G_d
> > didn't want us to make important choices, why'd he give one to Adam?
>
> So in your mind, because He allowed man to make a decision, God SHOULD
> be pleased no matter what man decides?
>
> Are you kidding?
uh, where did i say any of this shit?
> In every decision there is a right choice, God gives us the gift of
> discernment to help us make the right choices, of course many seek only
> to please themselves and would rather commit murder than deny
> themselves pleasure.
i have no idea what the hell you're talking about. G_d offered a life of
choices, what do you care if our society does the same?
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 15:50:05
From: Susan
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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question - don't answer too quickly but think about it
WillyColeman = Casey? Look at the word usage and sentence structure.
"mo_charles" <harrybalzer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:ls5654xqpb.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > > So the verses that you quoted are the story of the root cause of all
>> > > sin that ever takes place.
>> >
>> > listening to your pastor and behaving in a way that he says your Bible
>> > tells you is fine in life, but it's not gonna cut it HERE, in one of MY
>> > threads, on rgp, where the really important stuff gets done.
>> >
>> > the verses i quoted (that you snipped) presented man's situation prior
>> > to
>> > the invention of the fine female figure and (NOT coincidentally) our
>> > sinful nature. i said nothing of man's impending weakness. i
>> > presented
>> > the situation as G_d presented it - how he absolutely wanted it. if
>> > G_d
>> > didn't want us to make important choices, why'd he give one to Adam?
>>
>> So in your mind, because He allowed man to make a decision, God SHOULD
>> be pleased no matter what man decides?
>>
>> Are you kidding?
>
> uh, where did i say any of this shit?
>
>> In every decision there is a right choice, God gives us the gift of
>> discernment to help us make the right choices, of course many seek only
>> to please themselves and would rather commit murder than deny
>> themselves pleasure.
>
> i have no idea what the hell you're talking about. G_d offered a life of
> choices, what do you care if our society does the same?
>
> mo_charles
>
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 16:14:13
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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> question - don't answer too quickly but think about it
>
> WillyColeman = Casey? Look at the word usage and sentence structure.
i've already bitchslapped wilhelm mercilessly on the topics of religion
and the bible:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/browse_thread/thread/7eeef85325113aaa/cf349ddecb80aa03?lnk=gst&q=nicomachean+ethics&rnum=1&hl=en#cf349ddecb80aa03
he's much tougher than casey, but no match for the likes of me. i'm
guessing he and i won't be chatting the bible again anytime soon.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 15:58:48
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote:
>question - don't answer too quickly but think about it
>
>WillyColeman = Casey? Look at the word usage and sentence structure.
I thought Willy was pro choice?
Peg
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 09:03:38
From: David Nicoson
Subject: Re: OT : Abortion and the Bible
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mo_charles wrote:
> so, why would a religious person care whether something is
> categorized a certain way and punished a certain way by society?
A religious person is a part of society unless he chooses not to be.
And as such, he can influence the values of that society.
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