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Date: 18 Dec 2006 04:57:13
From: eleaticus
Subject: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock, which do
you have an excess of:
protons, neutrons, electrons.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 17:15:13
From: Mr_T
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:57:13 -0600, "eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net >
wrote:
>Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock, which do
>you have an excess of:
>
>protons, neutrons, electrons.
The one I noticed that I thought was wrong was the question about where the
largest desert in the world was located. Asia, Africa or North America.
Should have been none of the above. Antarctica is actually the largest
desert.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 13:10:59
From: The Shadow
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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Correct the largest desert in the world is Antarctica, and I would have
said that on national tv.
Mr_T wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:57:13 -0600, "eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock, which do
>> you have an excess of:
>>
>> protons, neutrons, electrons.
>
> The one I noticed that I thought was wrong was the question about where the
> largest desert in the world was located. Asia, Africa or North America.
>
> Should have been none of the above. Antarctica is actually the largest
> desert.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 20:40:26
From: MarlaSinger
Subject: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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I'm almost positive the question was more like this: If you covered the
world's desertS with carpet (and like getting paid to do the job) which
continent's would it be?
Anyway, I capitalized the 's' in deserts to emphasize it. The question
wasn't about one single desert. It seemed like neither the guy nor Bob
Saget understood that. I guess you guys didn't catch it either.
I will say this though, I probably would have chosen Asia, because I
figure there is a lot of desert in that big continent, and there must be a
fair amount of jungle in Africa. I must be wrong about that though. Also
I never considered Antarctica a desert. I thought deserts had to be like
hot.
desert:
1. dry area: an area of land, usually in very hot climates, that consists
only of sand, gravel, or rock with little or no vegetation, no permanent
bodies of water, and erratic rainfall
2. deprived place: a place or situation that is devoid of some desirable
thing or overwhelmed by an undesirable thing
a cultural desert
3. lifeless place: a place devoid of life
So I get no points for knowledge of the world's deserts. I get all the
points for reading comprehension.
On Dec 18 2006 1:15 PM, Mr_T wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:57:13 -0600, "eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock, which do
> >you have an excess of:
> >
> >protons, neutrons, electrons.
>
> The one I noticed that I thought was wrong was the question about where the
> largest desert in the world was located. Asia, Africa or North America.
>
> Should have been none of the above. Antarctica is actually the largest
> desert.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 00:34:51
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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"MarlaSinger" <a1728@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> I'm almost positive the question was more like this: If you covered the
> world's desertS with carpet (and like getting paid to do the job) which
> continent's would it be?
>
> Anyway, I capitalized the 's' in deserts to emphasize it. The question
> wasn't about one single desert. It seemed like neither the guy nor Bob
> Saget understood that. I guess you guys didn't catch it either.
>
> I will say this though, I probably would have chosen Asia, because I
> figure there is a lot of desert in that big continent, and there must be a
> fair amount of jungle in Africa. I must be wrong about that though. Also
> I never considered Antarctica a desert. I thought deserts had to be like
> hot.
> desert:
> 1. dry area: an area of land, usually in very hot climates, that consists
> only of sand, gravel, or rock with little or no vegetation, no permanent
> bodies of water, and erratic rainfall
> 2. deprived place: a place or situation that is devoid of some desirable
> thing or overwhelmed by an undesirable thing
> a cultural desert
> 3. lifeless place: a place devoid of life
>
> So I get no points for knowledge of the world's deserts. I get all the
> points for reading comprehension.
Not really. The q was posed as which one would you get most money for.
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> On Dec 18 2006 1:15 PM, Mr_T wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:57:13 -0600, "eleaticus"
<eleaticus@bellsouth.net >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock,
which do
> > >you have an excess of:
> > >
> > >protons, neutrons, electrons.
> >
> > The one I noticed that I thought was wrong was the question about where
the
> > largest desert in the world was located. Asia, Africa or North America.
> >
> > Should have been none of the above. Antarctica is actually the largest
> > desert.
>
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 23:43:51
From: MarlaSinger
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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I can't believe I have to explain this again. My point was that it is
irrelevant which continent has the single largest desert. To come to the
correct answer, you needed to figure out which of the three continents had
the most area of total desert area.
According to wikipedia, the Antarctic Desert consists of 14,000,000 (km)2.
The Sahara, Kalahari, and Namibia deserts are shy of that much by close
to 3 million. Anyway, the Antarctic wasn't one of the three choices.
Between Asia, Africa, and North America; Africa has the most desert area.
On Dec 19 2006 2:34 AM, eleaticus wrote:
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> Not really. The q was posed as which one would you get most money for.
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 02:30:22
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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Then again, just wait ten years and the south pole 'desert' may be smallest
of the bunch.
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"MarlaSinger" <a1728@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> I can't believe I have to explain this again. My point was that it is
> irrelevant which continent has the single largest desert. To come to the
> correct answer, you needed to figure out which of the three continents had
> the most area of total desert area.
>
> According to wikipedia, the Antarctic Desert consists of 14,000,000 (km)2.
> The Sahara, Kalahari, and Namibia deserts are shy of that much by close
> to 3 million. Anyway, the Antarctic wasn't one of the three choices.
>
> Between Asia, Africa, and North America; Africa has the most desert area.
>
> On Dec 19 2006 2:34 AM, eleaticus wrote:
>
> >
> > Not really. The q was posed as which one would you get most money for.
> >
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 02:28:20
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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"MarlaSinger" <a1728@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> I can't believe I have to explain this again.
lol
I can't believe I have to point out that the choices were the largest in NA,
Af, Asia.
NOT total area.
And that inclusion of Antarctica depends on your def of desert. The normal
is an arid area.
How does the song go?
"I went through Antarctica on a horse with no name."
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 00:59:51
From: MarlaSinger
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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Holy crap eleaticus, I know you are not this dense. Yes, the three
choices were NA, Africa, and Asia. As I said, I am almost positive the
question was about carpeting ALL the deserts on the entire planet. If the
previous sentence represents a correct interpretation of the question
asked, then 1) it doesn't matter where the biggest single desert is, and
2) any mention of Antarctica is unnecessary.
I never thought of Antarctica, but someone else did. He was right, it is
the largest desert on this planet. Like I said, the question wasn't "In
which continent is the largest desert". The question asks which of the
three choices has the most desert.
We might argue this forever, first we should find out which of us
understood, and remembers the question better. I have made 3 google
searches, and I can't find the specific question.
On Dec 19 2006 4:28 AM, eleaticus wrote:
> "MarlaSinger" <a1728@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:nqhk54xq0c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > I can't believe I have to explain this again.
>
> lol
>
> I can't believe I have to point out that the choices were the largest in NA,
> Af, Asia.
>
> NOT total area.
But the largest single desert in either of those three areas is Africa,
anyway. Single largest (Sahara), and largest total area (Sahara, and two
other deserts).
> And that inclusion of Antarctica depends on your def of desert. The normal
> is an arid area.
I looked up the dictionary definition, and I even posted it in my first
response. Wikipedia has the Antarctica as consisting of 14 million square
Km of desert.
> How does the song go?
>
> "I went through Antarctica on a horse with no name."
>
>
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 18:21:52
From: Auggie
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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"MarlaSinger" <a1728@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> Holy crap eleaticus, I know you are not this dense. Yes, the three
> choices were NA, Africa, and Asia. As I said, I am almost positive the
> question was about carpeting ALL the deserts on the entire planet. If the
> previous sentence represents a correct interpretation of the question
> asked, then 1) it doesn't matter where the biggest single desert is, and
> 2) any mention of Antarctica is unnecessary.
>
> I never thought of Antarctica, but someone else did. He was right, it is
> the largest desert on this planet. Like I said, the question wasn't "In
> which continent is the largest desert". The question asks which of the
> three choices has the most desert.
>
> We might argue this forever, first we should find out which of us
> understood, and remembers the question better. I have made 3 google
> searches, and I can't find the specific question.
The exact question was:
You are a carpet salesman sent to completely cover the earth's deserts, on
which would you make the most money?
A) The biggest one in Africa
B) The biggest one in Asia
C) The biggest one in North America
The correct answer is "A". Of the three choices the biggest ONE is in
Africa (the Sahara Desert).
The episode can be viewed online at:
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/video/1vs100.html
If you go to part 5 (of 6) it starts right after the commercial break where
they recap and answer the question.
By definition the Antarctic is the biggest desert in the world, but thats
irrelevant: that wasn't the question and thats not how multiple choice
works.
The way multiple choice questions work is: you are asked a question and
provided a series of answers. One answer is correct and you must properly
select the correct answer from those provided.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:08:42
From: MarlaSinger
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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So I was right all along. About the question I mean.
On Dec 19 2006 2:21 PM, Auggie wrote:
>
> The exact question was:
>
> You are a carpet salesman sent to completely cover the earth's deserts, on
> which would you make the most money?
> A) The biggest one in Africa
> B) The biggest one in Asia
> C) The biggest one in North America
>
> The correct answer is "A". Of the three choices the biggest ONE is in
> Africa (the Sahara Desert).
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Date: 19 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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On Dec 19 2006 12:43 AM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> I can't believe I have to explain this again. My point was that it is
> irrelevant which continent has the single largest desert. To come to the
> correct answer, you needed to figure out which of the three continents had
> the most area of total desert area.
>
> According to wikipedia, the Antarctic Desert consists of 14,000,000 (km)2.
> The Sahara, Kalahari, and Namibia deserts are shy of that much by close
> to 3 million. Anyway, the Antarctic wasn't one of the three choices.
>
> Between Asia, Africa, and North America; Africa has the most desert area.
I have always found it funny how many people think Arizona is all desert.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:54:40
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: But the question wasn't about the largest desert.
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On Dec 19 2006 1:07 AM, arlo payne wrote:
> On Dec 19 2006 12:43 AM, MarlaSinger wrote:
>
> > I can't believe I have to explain this again. My point was that it is
> > irrelevant which continent has the single largest desert. To come to the
> > correct answer, you needed to figure out which of the three continents had
> > the most area of total desert area.
> >
> > According to wikipedia, the Antarctic Desert consists of 14,000,000 (km)2.
> > The Sahara, Kalahari, and Namibia deserts are shy of that much by close
> > to 3 million. Anyway, the Antarctic wasn't one of the three choices.
> >
> > Between Asia, Africa, and North America; Africa has the most desert area.
>
> I have always found it funny how many people think Arizona is all desert.
I used to think so myself :)
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 17:21:42
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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"Mr_T" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:57:13 -0600, "eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock, which
do
> >you have an excess of:
> >
> >protons, neutrons, electrons.
>
> The one I noticed that I thought was wrong was the question about where
the
> largest desert in the world was located. Asia, Africa or North America.
>
> Should have been none of the above. Antarctica is actually the largest
> desert.
That occurred to me, too, as a possibility but I don't know the definition
of desert outside of arid.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:36:13
From: tillius
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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Then again, reading that question, you really can't have an excess of
Protons, but you can have either an excess or deficit of electrons,
since the protons don't really MOVE. Hmmm... not so cut and dry.
On Dec 18, 8:31 am, "tillius" <tillman.stev...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Dec 18, 8:24 am, "eleaticus" <eleati...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Ray" <rayjNOS...@NOSPAMtau-re.org> wrote in messagenews:9fvhh.21155$n36.8555@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
> > > eleaticus wrote:
>
> > > > Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock,
> > > > which do you have an excess of:
>
> > > > protons, neutrons, electrons.
>
> > > > --
> > > > eleaticus
> > > > ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> > > > eleati...@bellsouth.net
>
> > > Well, /before/ you touch Grandma and get the shock you have either an
> > > excess or deficit of electrons. The shock is that equalizing out.
> > > So you have an excess (or deficit) of *electrons* before - but after
> > > you have an excess of none of the above.
>
> > > Either a trick question or I am over analyzing as usual.You are absolutely correct but the show thought it could go just one way.
>
> > --
> > eleaticus
> > ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> > eleati...@bellsouth.net
>
> > > --
> > > Ray- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -If you RECEIVE the shock, you are recieving electrons, meaning you have
> a deficit of electrons (excess of protons, but that's a weird way to
> phrase it). The electrons only flow ONE WAY, from the negative to the
> positive. If you have an excess of electrons, you are delivering the
> shock, not receiving it.
>
> Sorry, but the show was correct.'
>
> Tillman- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 17:19:13
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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" > > > "Ray" <rayjNOS...@NOSPAMtau-re.org> wrote in
messagenews:9fvhh.21155$n36.8555@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> > > > Ray- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text --
Show quoted text -If you RECEIVE the shock, you are recieving electrons,
meaning you have
> > a deficit of electrons (excess of protons, but that's a weird way to
> > phrase it). The electrons only flow ONE WAY, from the negative to the
> > positive. If you have an excess of electrons, you are delivering the
> > shock, not receiving it.
> >
> > Sorry, but the show was correct.'
Sorry, Charlie, but let's divert to lightning for the mo'.
The charge supposedly rises from the ground to the sky, and you are part of
the ground if 'struck'.
Both you and Granny are shocked.
What is the old demo of electrostatics? Rubber comb and fur?
Well, wear rabbit fur slippers on a ...rubber mat in one case and rubber
soled slippers on a fur rug in the other.
The shock is the same, right?
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:24:51
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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On Dec 18 2006 3:57 AM, eleaticus wrote:
> Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock, which do
> you have an excess of:
>
> protons, neutrons, electrons.
>
> --
> eleaticus
> ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> eleaticus@bellsouth.net
Couldn't you also have a deficit of electrons?
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 17:20:36
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> On Dec 18 2006 3:57 AM, eleaticus wrote:
>
> > Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock, which
do
> > you have an excess of:
> >
> > protons, neutrons, electrons.
> >
> > --
> > eleaticus
> > ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> > eleaticus@bellsouth.net
>
> Couldn't you also have a deficit of electrons?
Oh, yes. And another name for that situation is a surplus of protons.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 05:31:42
From: tillius
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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On Dec 18, 8:24 am, "eleaticus" <eleati...@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> "Ray" <rayjNOS...@NOSPAMtau-re.org> wrote in messagenews:9fvhh.21155$n36.8555@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > eleaticus wrote:
>
> > > Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock,
> > > which do you have an excess of:
>
> > > protons, neutrons, electrons.
>
> > > --
> > > eleaticus
> > > ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> > > eleati...@bellsouth.net
>
> > Well, /before/ you touch Grandma and get the shock you have either an
> > excess or deficit of electrons. The shock is that equalizing out.
> > So you have an excess (or deficit) of *electrons* before - but after
> > you have an excess of none of the above.
>
> > Either a trick question or I am over analyzing as usual.You are absolutely correct but the show thought it could go just one way.
>
> --
> eleaticus
> ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> eleati...@bellsouth.net
>
>
>
> > --
> > Ray- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
If you RECEIVE the shock, you are recieving electrons, meaning you have
a deficit of electrons (excess of protons, but that's a weird way to
phrase it). The electrons only flow ONE WAY, from the negative to the
positive. If you have an excess of electrons, you are delivering the
shock, not receiving it.
Sorry, but the show was correct.'
Tillman
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 17:28:24
From: Cymbal Man Freq.
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 03:18:36
From: Cymbal Man Freq.
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
Many differing theories here...
In a direct hit the electrical charge strikes the victim first.
Counterintuitively, if the victim's skin resistance is high enough, much of the
current will flash around the skin or clothing to the ground, resulting in a
surprisingly benign outcome.
As the cloud progresses over the Earth's surface, an equal but opposite charge
is induced in the Earth below, and the induced ground charge follows the
movement of the cloud. When a step leader approaches the ground, the presence of
opposite charges on the ground enhances the electric field. The electric field
is highest on trees and tall buildings. If the electric field is strong enough,
a conductive discharge (called a positive streamer) can develop from these
points. This was first theorized by Heinz Kasemir. As the field increases, the
positive streamer may evolve into a hotter, higher current leader which
eventually connects to the descending stepped leader from the cloud. It is also
possible for many streamers to develop from many different objects
simultaneously, with only one connecting with the leader and forming the main
discharge path. Photographs have been taken on which non-connected streamers are
clearly visible. When the two leaders meet, the electric current greatly
increases. The region of high current propagates back up the positive stepped
leader into the cloud with a "return stroke" that is the most luminous part of
the lightning discharge. Lightning can also occur within the ash clouds from
volcanic eruptions,[7][8] or can be caused by violent forest fires which
generate sufficient dust to create a static charge.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:49:25
From: Ray
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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eleaticus wrote:
> Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock,
> which do you have an excess of:
>
> protons, neutrons, electrons.
>
> --
> eleaticus
> ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> eleaticus@bellsouth.net
Well, /before/ you touch Grandma and get the shock you have either an
excess or deficit of electrons. The shock is that equalizing out.
So you have an excess (or deficit) of *electrons* before - but after
you have an excess of none of the above.
Either a trick question or I am over analyzing as usual.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:24:36
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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"Ray" <rayjNOSPAM@NOSPAMtau-re.org > wrote in message
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> eleaticus wrote:
>
> > Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma and get a shock,
> > which do you have an excess of:
> >
> > protons, neutrons, electrons.
> >
> > --
> > eleaticus
> > ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> > eleaticus@bellsouth.net
>
> Well, /before/ you touch Grandma and get the shock you have either an
> excess or deficit of electrons. The shock is that equalizing out.
> So you have an excess (or deficit) of *electrons* before - but after
> you have an excess of none of the above.
>
> Either a trick question or I am over analyzing as usual.
You are absolutely correct but the show thought it could go just one way.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 19:59:04
From: DaPokerGnome
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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"eleaticus" wrote in message
> Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma
> and get a shock, which do you have an excess of:
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> protons, neutrons, electrons.
I am thinking 'hormones'.
You really shouldn't be touching your Grandma.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 22:19:26
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: OT. 1 v 100 idiot question
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"DaPokerGnome" <bogus-mail@bogus-mail.com > wrote in message
news:d6mdnZ9VaaXW_hrYnZ2dnUVZ_rCsnZ2d@comcast.com...
> "eleaticus" wrote in message
> > Watching on TIVO, the question: you touch Grandma
> > and get a shock, which do you have an excess of:
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> > protons, neutrons, electrons.
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> I am thinking 'hormones'.
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> You really shouldn't be touching your Grandma.
Well, I'm adopted and also don't really know her that well.
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