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Date: 29 Nov 2006 06:48:29
From: Zidane Valor
Subject: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue
currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired
people.
Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American Council of
the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to tell bills apart.
The judge wrote that the current configuration of paper money violates the
Rehabilitation Act's guarantee of "meaningful access."
"It can no longer be successfully argued that a blind person has
'meaningful access' to currency if she cannot accurately identify paper
money without assistance," Robertson wrote in his ruling.
He further ruled that finding a solution to the problem would not be an
"undue burden" on the government and ordered the Treasury Department to
begin working on a solution within 30 days.
The American Council for the Blind has submitted several alternatives,
including embossing, holes punched in the paper or using different-sized
bills for different denominations.
The Treasury Department had no comment on the ruling.
For CNN's coverage of the new federal court decision today ordering the
U.S. Treasury Department to implement an alternative to paper money for
blind and visually impaired people, here is FindLaw's link
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 12:33:07
From: Tim Dugan
Subject: Re: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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Why this won't happen anytime soon:
The Appeals process. That could take 1-2 years if not longer, and any
decision made in the lower courts will be stayed pending appeal. It'll
likely be appealed to the Federal Circuit Court in the jurisdiction, and
then possibly to the US Supreme Court.
Simple solution: Why don't they just put brail characters in the corner of
each bill? Is that harder than I'm thinking it is?
-Dugan
www.oregonpokertour.com
"Zidane Valor" <ad202a1@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:t6j044xe9l.ln2@recgroups.com...
> http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
>
> NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
> Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue
> currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired
> people.
>
> Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American Council of
> the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to tell bills apart.
>
> The judge wrote that the current configuration of paper money violates the
> Rehabilitation Act's guarantee of "meaningful access."
>
> "It can no longer be successfully argued that a blind person has
> 'meaningful access' to currency if she cannot accurately identify paper
> money without assistance," Robertson wrote in his ruling.
>
> He further ruled that finding a solution to the problem would not be an
> "undue burden" on the government and ordered the Treasury Department to
> begin working on a solution within 30 days.
>
> The American Council for the Blind has submitted several alternatives,
> including embossing, holes punched in the paper or using different-sized
> bills for different denominations.
>
> The Treasury Department had no comment on the ruling.
>
> For CNN's coverage of the new federal court decision today ordering the
> U.S. Treasury Department to implement an alternative to paper money for
> blind and visually impaired people, here is FindLaw's link
>
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 12:24:58
From: mccard
Subject: Re: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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"Tim Dugan" <Dugan@oregonpokertour.com > wrote in message
news:WoGdnY1CANjSWfDYnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@buckeye-express.com...
> Why this won't happen anytime soon:
> The Appeals process. That could take 1-2 years if not longer, and any
> decision made in the lower courts will be stayed pending appeal. It'll
> likely be appealed to the Federal Circuit Court in the jurisdiction, and
> then possibly to the US Supreme Court.
>
> Simple solution: Why don't they just put brail characters in the corner of
> each bill? Is that harder than I'm thinking it is?
>
For Sale: one hand held brail encoder / punch. Impress your blind friends
with your new found wealth.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 19:11:27
From: xyious
Subject: Re: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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On Nov 29 2006 6:33 PM, Tim Dugan wrote:
> Why this won't happen anytime soon:
> The Appeals process. That could take 1-2 years if not longer, and any
> decision made in the lower courts will be stayed pending appeal. It'll
> likely be appealed to the Federal Circuit Court in the jurisdiction, and
> then possibly to the US Supreme Court.
>
> Simple solution: Why don't they just put brail characters in the corner of
> each bill? Is that harder than I'm thinking it is?
german money had it for decades, so i'm thinking no.
apparently the new european money doesn't....
but then we don't have one size fits all, so they are distinguishable by
size.
>
> -Dugan
> www.oregonpokertour.com
>
> "Zidane Valor" <ad202a1@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:t6j044xe9l.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
> >
> > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
> > Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue
> > currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired
> > people.
> >
> > Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American Council of
> > the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to tell bills apart.
> >
> > The judge wrote that the current configuration of paper money violates the
> > Rehabilitation Act's guarantee of "meaningful access."
> >
> > "It can no longer be successfully argued that a blind person has
> > 'meaningful access' to currency if she cannot accurately identify paper
> > money without assistance," Robertson wrote in his ruling.
> >
> > He further ruled that finding a solution to the problem would not be an
> > "undue burden" on the government and ordered the Treasury Department to
> > begin working on a solution within 30 days.
> >
> > The American Council for the Blind has submitted several alternatives,
> > including embossing, holes punched in the paper or using different-sized
> > bills for different denominations.
> >
> > The Treasury Department had no comment on the ruling.
> >
> > For CNN's coverage of the new federal court decision today ordering the
> > U.S. Treasury Department to implement an alternative to paper money for
> > blind and visually impaired people, here is FindLaw's link
> >
-Alexander Knopf
http://www.xyious.com/?links
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 08:43:35
From: Ernie Lazlo
Subject: Re: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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"xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid > wrote in
news:vnu144xt9o.ln2@recgroups.com:
> On Nov 29 2006 6:33 PM, Tim Dugan wrote:
>
>> Why this won't happen anytime soon:
>> The Appeals process. That could take 1-2 years if not longer, and
>> any decision made in the lower courts will be stayed pending appeal.
>> It'll likely be appealed to the Federal Circuit Court in the
>> jurisdiction, and then possibly to the US Supreme Court.
>>
>> Simple solution: Why don't they just put brail characters in the
>> corner of each bill? Is that harder than I'm thinking it is?
>
> german money had it for decades, so i'm thinking no.
> apparently the new european money doesn't....
> but then we don't have one size fits all, so they are distinguishable
> by size.
>
>>
>> -Dugan
>> www.oregonpokertour.com
>>
>> "Zidane Valor" <ad202a1@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:t6j044xe9l.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?
cn
>> > n=yes
>> >
>> > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
>> > Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and
>> > issue currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and
>> > visually impaired people.
>> >
>> > Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American
>> > Council of the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to
>> > tell bills apart.
>> >
>> > The judge wrote that the current configuration of paper money
>> > violates the Rehabilitation Act's guarantee of "meaningful access."
>> >
>> > "It can no longer be successfully argued that a blind person has
>> > 'meaningful access' to currency if she cannot accurately identify
>> > paper money without assistance," Robertson wrote in his ruling.
>> >
>> > He further ruled that finding a solution to the problem would not
>> > be an "undue burden" on the government and ordered the Treasury
>> > Department to begin working on a solution within 30 days.
>> >
>> > The American Council for the Blind has submitted several
>> > alternatives, including embossing, holes punched in the paper or
>> > using different-sized bills for different denominations.
>> >
>> > The Treasury Department had no comment on the ruling.
>> >
>> > For CNN's coverage of the new federal court decision today ordering
>> > the U.S. Treasury Department to implement an alternative to paper
>> > money for blind and visually impaired people, here is FindLaw's
>> > link
Why don't they make dirty books in Braile?
Ernie
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 23:47:22
From: beerboy
Subject: Re: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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In news:WoGdnY1CANjSWfDYnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@buckeye-express.com,
Tim Dugan <Dugan@oregonpokertour.com > typed:
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 14:44:49
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:48:29 -0800, "Zidane Valor" <ad202a1@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
>NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
>Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue
>currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired
>people.
>Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American Council of
>the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to tell bills apart.
Seems reasonable to me. They should incorporate it into the array of
anti-counterfeiting features also. The more ways to make life difficult
for counterfeiters, the better. A bit of braille wouldn't hurt a bit.
I don't know how this judge intends to get all currency in this form
any time soon, though.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 09:31:11
From: Cymbal Man Freq.
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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I went to a gas station the other day and the clerk there said to pay with a
card at the pump since their cash register was down because of a robbery (and
the police were there having a conference).
I think blind people should be given cash cards with PIN numbers. What is the
gov't gonna do, recall all of the U.S. currency in the world? I do suppose blind
people could demand visually impaired accessible bills from their local banks,
but what about when they get change from local stores? The cash registers don't
have room for two sets of bills in one machine. Heck, the Subway shop tonight
had a sign up asking for $5's and $10's, like they were out of them and couldn't
give out hardly ANY change. Last night they ran out of their daily special sub
sandwich 3 hours before closing. They also add points to my sub-club card
instead of giving me irksome stamps.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 03:18:54
From: xyious
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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On Nov 30 2006 10:31 AM, Cymbal Man Freq. wrote:
> I think blind people should be given cash cards with PIN numbers. What is the
> gov't gonna do, recall all of the U.S. currency in the world? I do suppose
blind
> people could demand visually impaired accessible bills from their local
banks,
> but what about when they get change from local stores? The cash registers
don't
> have room for two sets of bills in one machine.
<snip bad beat rant at subway store >
easy, print all the new money with braille-like indentations/ink. you
won't have every single banknote in the US readable for blind people
tomorrow, but you wouldn't anyway. i'm pretty sure they already make just
about as much money as they can. so it would just be the usual, new money
is printed, old money is taken out of circulation, till the majority of
the bills are of the new kind.
-Alexander Knopf
http://www.xyious.com/?links
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 05:11:45
From:
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:48:29 -0800, "Zidane Valor" <ad202a1@webnntp.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
>
> >NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
> >Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue
> >currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired
> >people.
>
> >Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American Council of
> >the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to tell bills apart.
>
> Seems reasonable to me. They should incorporate it into the array of
> anti-counterfeiting features also. The more ways to make life difficult
> for counterfeiters, the better. A bit of braille wouldn't hurt a bit.
> I don't know how this judge intends to get all currency in this form
> any time soon, though.
The average life span of a bill is only 8 months. You just start
circulating new ones and in about 2 years you're hard pressed to find
the old ones.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 01:55:57
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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Cymbal Man Freq. wrote:
> I think blind people should be given cash cards with PIN numbers.
Because they don't have them now.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 16:51:00
From: Omaha8_Beach
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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Zidane Valor wrote:
> http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
>
> NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
> Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue
> currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired
> people.
I don't think it's worth the effort to change all U.S. currency to
accomodate blind people, even if the lifespan of bills is relatively
short. Seems to me the most reasonable thing is to develop special
currency that blind people can use rather than make 100% of bills in
circulation blind-friendly. They could just start producing more $1,
$5, $10, etc. coins and as long as every business has a decent amount
of these available, it seems everything should be OK.
Ken
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 17:43:32
From: Omaholic
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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On Nov 30 2006 4:51 PM, Omaha8_Beach wrote:
> Zidane Valor wrote:
> > http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
> >
> > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
> > Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue
> > currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired
> > people.
>
> I don't think it's worth the effort to change all U.S. currency to
> accomodate blind people, even if the lifespan of bills is relatively
> short. Seems to me the most reasonable thing is to develop special
> currency that blind people can use rather than make 100% of bills in
> circulation blind-friendly. They could just start producing more $1,
> $5, $10, etc. coins and as long as every business has a decent amount
> of these available, it seems everything should be OK.
>
> Ken
It seems to be that it would be a lot easier to simply replace the new
bills with the new ones as part of the circulation process already in
place than it would be to ensure that every business would have a decent
amount of the new coins available.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 22:38:32
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:43:32 -0800, "Omaholic" <omaholic@gmail.com > wrote:
>On Nov 30 2006 4:51 PM, Omaha8_Beach wrote:
>
>> Zidane Valor wrote:
>> > http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
>> >
>> > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S.
>> > Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue
>> > currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired
>> > people.
>>
>> I don't think it's worth the effort to change all U.S. currency to
>> accomodate blind people, even if the lifespan of bills is relatively
>> short. Seems to me the most reasonable thing is to develop special
>> currency that blind people can use rather than make 100% of bills in
>> circulation blind-friendly. They could just start producing more $1,
>> $5, $10, etc. coins and as long as every business has a decent amount
>> of these available, it seems everything should be OK.
>It seems to be that it would be a lot easier to simply replace the new
>bills with the new ones as part of the circulation process already in
>place than it would be to ensure that every business would have a decent
>amount of the new coins available.
Coins can already be told from each other by size. If you don't believe me,
reach into your pocket and count your change without taking any of it out.
It's not tough to do. And paper money can easily have braille imprinted
into it. It could probably even be done in such a way as to make counterfeiting
even more difficult.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 17:04:20
From: Russell Patterson
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:48:29 -0800, "Zidane Valor"
<ad202a1@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
>
Imagine the expense of changing all the slot machines to accept the
different size bills in Vegas alone! But then, how many blind people
play the slots anyway? Not that it would make any difference. If
they change the money the machines will have to be changed to accept
it.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 02:52:32
From: Fred
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net > wrote in
news:46lum2hu4af4ce4a7gebscu9f1ellk8ohj@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:48:29 -0800, "Zidane Valor"
> <ad202a1@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>>http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes
>>
> Imagine the expense of changing all the slot machines to accept the
> different size bills in Vegas alone! But then, how many blind people
> play the slots anyway? Not that it would make any difference. If
> they change the money the machines will have to be changed to accept
> it.
I remember a few years ago Ray Charles worked with a slot machine
manufacturer to design a slot machine that could be used by the blind. I
forget which casino had them. I haven't seen them in my various travels
around Las Vegas casinos.
Fred.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 08:12:19
From: Cymbal Man Freq.
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 09:15:37
From: mccard
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 10:27:32
From: Omaha8_Beach
Subject: Re: OT: US Currency as we know it may change soon
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Cymbal Man Freq. wrote:
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