OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

pokerfied.com
Promoting poker discussions.

Main

Date: 11 Dec 2006 03:22:04
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

An interesting paradox.

Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.

However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter legally.
But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them a
forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
chased by law enforcement.

So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.

And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.

Feliz Navidad,
-Paul Popinjay

Date: 11 Dec 2006 00:44:51
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

There would be no illegal immigrants in my area of the country if it
werent for halliburton. They ship them in from all over the country to
work on the gas mines here because they work cheaply. Halliburton takes
away jobs from the poor people of this area and gives them to the
Mexicans. The mexicans I have met were very nice and were willing to
lose their cash in a 7cs game, but the people here could have used the
jobs.

Date: 11 Dec
From: Bill Starr
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 10 2006 9:22 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> An interesting paradox.
>
> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
>
> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
> agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter legally.
> But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them a
> forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> chased by law enforcement.
>
> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
> I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
>
> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
>
> Feliz Navidad,
> -Paul Popinjay

Just accept the fact that you are a hypocrite and a Merry Christmas to you.

Bill

_______________________________________________________________
* New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com

Date: 10 Dec 2006 21:13:42
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 10 2006 11:57 PM, Bill Starr wrote:

> On Dec 10 2006 9:22 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
> > An interesting paradox.
> >
> > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> >
> > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
> > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
legally.
> > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them
a
> > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> > chased by law enforcement.
> >
> > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
scale,
> > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> >
> > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> >
> > Feliz Navidad,
> > -Paul Popinjay
>
> Just accept the fact that you are a hypocrite and a Merry Christmas to you.
>
> Bill
The USA is filled with them.

thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7

________________________________________________________________________
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 03:50:17
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:616v44xc8t.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 10 2006 11:57 PM, Bill Starr wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2006 9:22 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
> >
> > > An interesting paradox.
> > >
> > > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody
the
> > > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to
Mexico.
> > >
> > > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I
work in
> > > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
> legally.
> > > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon
them
> a
> > > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house
as
> > > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were
being
> > > chased by law enforcement.
> > >
> > > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
> scale,
> > > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the
ones
> > > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> > >
> > > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> > >
> > > Feliz Navidad,
> > > -Paul Popinjay
> >
> > Just accept the fact that you are a hypocrite and a Merry Christmas to
you.
> >
> > Bill
> The USA is filled with them.

This is screw with e's head week?

There is nothing hypocritical about Paul Poltroon's post.

It is only those who see and speak just one side of a mattter who can be
hypocritical.

--
eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net

Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:27:52
From: Omaha Chris
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
> I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
>
> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.

In Nazi Germany, everybody had their one "good Jew."

Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:37:49
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

Paul Popinjay wrote:
> An interesting paradox.
>
> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
>
> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
> agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter legally.
> But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them a
> forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> chased by law enforcement.
>
> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
> I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
>
> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
>
> Feliz Navidad,
> -Paul Popinjay

paul look at mexico and ask your self why mexico is the way it is,then
ask yourself if you want the united states to be the same way.
i'd like to look on the bright side but there isn't any,while many
mexicans are hard workers,even after a few generations their not
creating jobs their just taking them.mexican culture doesn't place a
premium on education,they run their sons out of the house as soon as
they can so that they don't have to support them.

mexico is the way it is because of mexicans, and mexico is a third
world country,mexicans are essentially indian and their culture keeps
them down and from prospering.

Date: 10 Dec 2006 23:12:44
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

Chris in Texas wrote:
> On Dec 10 2006 10:37 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
> > Paul Popinjay wrote:
> > > An interesting paradox.
> > >
> > > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> > > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> > >
> > > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
> > > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter legally.
> > > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them a
> > > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> > > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> > > chased by law enforcement.
> > >
> > > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
> > > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> > > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> > >
> > > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> > >
> > > Feliz Navidad,
> > > -Paul Popinjay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > paul look at mexico and ask your self why mexico is the way it is,then
> > ask yourself if you want the united states to be the same way.
> > i'd like to look on the bright side but there isn't any,while many
> > mexicans are hard workers,even after a few generations their not
> > creating jobs their just taking them.mexican culture doesn't place a
> > premium on education,they run their sons out of the house as soon as
> > they can so that they don't have to support them.
>
> If you're trolling, bravo to you; if you're serious, this is one of the most
> idiotic comments I've read on RGP. I know many 2nd generation immigrants (most
> legal, some sons of illegals) that have gone on and started companies that hire
> many employees and contribute to the economy.
>
>
> >
> > mexico is the way it is because of mexicans, and mexico is a third
> > world country,mexicans are essentially indian and their culture keeps
> > them down and from prospering.
>
> Mexico has a myriad of problems, mainly due to the concentration of wealth and
> the corruption in govt. and the lack of a solid meritocracy; NAFTA is changing
> that slowly, but it will take a couple of generations to see widespread
> improvement.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com

name one company,you said you know of many,how many employees do they
have?how many anglos do they employee?NAFTA isn't changing squat,their
still coming here by the hordes,what's changing?
your a whiteboy living in south texas as you've mentioned here,you also
made it known you prefer mexican women so i can see why you would be
sympathetic.your a minority,when a south texas county sheriff,whose
mexican,says he would arrest howard stern for making offensive comments
about the singer "selena"if he came to his county it shows the
disconnect mexicans have with american culture and law.

mexico has a corrupt goverment because it's governed by mexicans,south
texas is essentially another state of mexico,especially the valley
counties.

this sheriff makes george duval look like a saint.

Date: 10 Dec 2006 23:46:50
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

Chris in Texas wrote:
> On Dec 11 2006 1:12 AM, bo dark wrote:
>
> > Chris in Texas wrote:
> > > On Dec 10 2006 10:37 PM, bo dark wrote:
> > >
> > > > Paul Popinjay wrote:
> > > > > An interesting paradox.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > > > > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> > > > > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work
> > > > > in
> > > > > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
> > > > > legally.
> > > > > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon
> > > > > them a
> > > > > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house
> > > > > as
> > > > > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were
> > > > > being
> > > > > chased by law enforcement.
> > > > >
> > > > > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
> > > > > scale,
> > > > > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the
> > > > > ones
> > > > > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > Feliz Navidad,
> > > > > -Paul Popinjay
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > paul look at mexico and ask your self why mexico is the way it is,then
> > > > ask yourself if you want the united states to be the same way.
> > > > i'd like to look on the bright side but there isn't any,while many
> > > > mexicans are hard workers,even after a few generations their not
> > > > creating jobs their just taking them.mexican culture doesn't place a
> > > > premium on education,they run their sons out of the house as soon as
> > > > they can so that they don't have to support them.
> > >
> > > If you're trolling, bravo to you; if you're serious, this is one of the most
> > > idiotic comments I've read on RGP. I know many 2nd generation immigrants
> > > (most
> > > legal, some sons of illegals) that have gone on and started companies that
> > > hire
> > > many employees and contribute to the economy.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > mexico is the way it is because of mexicans, and mexico is a third
> > > > world country,mexicans are essentially indian and their culture keeps
> > > > them down and from prospering.
> > >
> > > Mexico has a myriad of problems, mainly due to the concentration of wealth
> > > and
> > > the corruption in govt. and the lack of a solid meritocracy; NAFTA is
> > > changing
> > > that slowly, but it will take a couple of generations to see widespread
> > > improvement.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________
> > > Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - /
> >
> >
> > name one company,you said you know of many,how many employees do they
> > have?how many anglos do they employee?NAFTA isn't changing squat,their
> > still coming here by the hordes,what's changing?
> > your a whiteboy living in south texas as you've mentioned here,you also
> > made it known you prefer mexican women so i can see why you would be
> > sympathetic.your a minority,when a south texas county sheriff,whose
> > mexican,says he would arrest howard stern for making offensive comments
> > about the singer "selena"if he came to his county it shows the
> > disconnect mexicans have with american culture and law.
> >
> > mexico has a corrupt goverment because it's governed by mexicans,south
> > texas is essentially another state of mexico,especially the valley
> > counties.
> >
> > this sheriff makes george duval look like a saint.
>
> While I agree with you on the idiocy of the sheriff that made that comment, your
> comments reflect the severe disconnect you have with the Mexican culture (esp.
> immigrants).
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Posted using RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com

grew up around many first and second generation mexicans,and worked
with many illegals doing warehouse work,some were dope sellers,concrete
finishers and pool room owners,very few were high school graduates and
it wasn't a priority with their folks.
i did work with one mexican illegal whose name was javier lopez but
after fleeing back to mexico over some legal problems he was rehired as
richard jauregui.he left again because he was wanted for murder over a
chicken fight.

mexico will never rise very high,it's held down by tradition,it's
basically indian though many don't look at themselves that way,very few
spanish,that's why the slur "bolio" is used when referencing white
people.with terms like "la raza" and "aztlan" i think i understand
alright.

Date: 11 Dec
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 11 2006 1:12 AM, bo dark wrote:

> Chris in Texas wrote:
> > On Dec 10 2006 10:37 PM, bo dark wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Popinjay wrote:
> > > > An interesting paradox.
> > > >
> > > > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > > > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> > > > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> > > >
> > > > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work
> > > > in
> > > > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
> > > > legally.
> > > > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon
> > > > them a
> > > > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house
> > > > as
> > > > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were
> > > > being
> > > > chased by law enforcement.
> > > >
> > > > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
> > > > scale,
> > > > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the
> > > > ones
> > > > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> > > >
> > > > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> > > >
> > > > Feliz Navidad,
> > > > -Paul Popinjay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > paul look at mexico and ask your self why mexico is the way it is,then
> > > ask yourself if you want the united states to be the same way.
> > > i'd like to look on the bright side but there isn't any,while many
> > > mexicans are hard workers,even after a few generations their not
> > > creating jobs their just taking them.mexican culture doesn't place a
> > > premium on education,they run their sons out of the house as soon as
> > > they can so that they don't have to support them.
> >
> > If you're trolling, bravo to you; if you're serious, this is one of the most
> > idiotic comments I've read on RGP. I know many 2nd generation immigrants
> > (most
> > legal, some sons of illegals) that have gone on and started companies that
> > hire
> > many employees and contribute to the economy.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > mexico is the way it is because of mexicans, and mexico is a third
> > > world country,mexicans are essentially indian and their culture keeps
> > > them down and from prospering.
> >
> > Mexico has a myriad of problems, mainly due to the concentration of wealth
> > and
> > the corruption in govt. and the lack of a solid meritocracy; NAFTA is
> > changing
> > that slowly, but it will take a couple of generations to see widespread
> > improvement.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> > Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - /
>
>
> name one company,you said you know of many,how many employees do they
> have?how many anglos do they employee?NAFTA isn't changing squat,their
> still coming here by the hordes,what's changing?
> your a whiteboy living in south texas as you've mentioned here,you also
> made it known you prefer mexican women so i can see why you would be
> sympathetic.your a minority,when a south texas county sheriff,whose
> mexican,says he would arrest howard stern for making offensive comments
> about the singer "selena"if he came to his county it shows the
> disconnect mexicans have with american culture and law.
>
> mexico has a corrupt goverment because it's governed by mexicans,south
> texas is essentially another state of mexico,especially the valley
> counties.
>
> this sheriff makes george duval look like a saint.

While I agree with you on the idiocy of the sheriff that made that comment, your
comments reflect the severe disconnect you have with the Mexican culture (esp.
immigrants).

_______________________________________________________________
Posted using RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com

Date: 11 Dec
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 10 2006 10:37 PM, bo dark wrote:

> Paul Popinjay wrote:
> > An interesting paradox.
> >
> > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> >
> > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
> > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter legally.
> > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them a
> > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> > chased by law enforcement.
> >
> > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
> > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> >
> > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> >
> > Feliz Navidad,
> > -Paul Popinjay
>
>
>
>
> paul look at mexico and ask your self why mexico is the way it is,then
> ask yourself if you want the united states to be the same way.
> i'd like to look on the bright side but there isn't any,while many
> mexicans are hard workers,even after a few generations their not
> creating jobs their just taking them.mexican culture doesn't place a
> premium on education,they run their sons out of the house as soon as
> they can so that they don't have to support them.

If you're trolling, bravo to you; if you're serious, this is one of the most
idiotic comments I've read on RGP. I know many 2nd generation immigrants (most
legal, some sons of illegals) that have gone on and started companies that hire
many employees and contribute to the economy.

>
> mexico is the way it is because of mexicans, and mexico is a third
> world country,mexicans are essentially indian and their culture keeps
> them down and from prospering.

Mexico has a myriad of problems, mainly due to the concentration of wealth and
the corruption in govt. and the lack of a solid meritocracy; NAFTA is changing
that slowly, but it will take a couple of generations to see widespread
improvement.

Chris

_______________________________________________________________
Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:50:24
From: KilgoreTrout
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 11 2006 1:48 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:

> On Dec 10 2006 10:37 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
> > Paul Popinjay wrote:
> > > An interesting paradox.
> > >
> > > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> > > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> > >
> > > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work
in
> > > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
legally.
> > > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon
them a
> > > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> > > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> > > chased by law enforcement.
> > >
> > > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
scale,
> > > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the
ones
> > > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> > >
> > > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> > >
> > > Feliz Navidad,
> > > -Paul Popinjay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > paul look at mexico and ask your self why mexico is the way it is,then
> > ask yourself if you want the united states to be the same way.
> > i'd like to look on the bright side but there isn't any,while many
> > mexicans are hard workers,even after a few generations their not
> > creating jobs their just taking them.mexican culture doesn't place a
> > premium on education,they run their sons out of the house as soon as
> > they can so that they don't have to support them.
>
> If you're trolling, bravo to you; if you're serious, this is one of the most
> idiotic comments I've read on RGP. I know many 2nd generation immigrants
(most
> legal, some sons of illegals) that have gone on and started companies that
hire
> many employees and contribute to the economy.
>
>
> >
> > mexico is the way it is because of mexicans, and mexico is a third
> > world country,mexicans are essentially indian and their culture keeps
> > them down and from prospering.
>
> Mexico has a myriad of problems, mainly due to the concentration of wealth
and
> the corruption in govt. and the lack of a solid meritocracy; NAFTA is
changing
> that slowly, but it will take a couple of generations to see widespread
> improvement.
>
> Chris
>

No, I'm pretty sure bo is right. Mexico has one problem. It's full of
Mexicans, whose main problem is that they are "essentially indian".

>

----
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:58:26
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

Yep, Bo knows

On Dec 11 2006 12:50 PM, KilgoreTrout wrote:

> On Dec 11 2006 1:48 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2006 10:37 PM, bo dark wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Popinjay wrote:
> > > > An interesting paradox.
> > > >
> > > > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > > > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody
the
> > > > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> > > >
> > > > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work
> in
> > > > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
> legally.
> > > > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon
> them a
> > > > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house
as
> > > > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were
being
> > > > chased by law enforcement.
> > > >
> > > > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
> scale,
> > > > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the
> ones
> > > > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> > > >
> > > > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> > > >
> > > > Feliz Navidad,
> > > > -Paul Popinjay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > paul look at mexico and ask your self why mexico is the way it is,then
> > > ask yourself if you want the united states to be the same way.
> > > i'd like to look on the bright side but there isn't any,while many
> > > mexicans are hard workers,even after a few generations their not
> > > creating jobs their just taking them.mexican culture doesn't place a
> > > premium on education,they run their sons out of the house as soon as
> > > they can so that they don't have to support them.
> >
> > If you're trolling, bravo to you; if you're serious, this is one of the
most
> > idiotic comments I've read on RGP. I know many 2nd generation immigrants
> (most
> > legal, some sons of illegals) that have gone on and started companies that
> hire
> > many employees and contribute to the economy.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > mexico is the way it is because of mexicans, and mexico is a third
> > > world country,mexicans are essentially indian and their culture keeps
> > > them down and from prospering.
> >
> > Mexico has a myriad of problems, mainly due to the concentration of wealth
> and
> > the corruption in govt. and the lack of a solid meritocracy; NAFTA is
> changing
> > that slowly, but it will take a couple of generations to see widespread
> > improvement.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> No, I'm pretty sure bo is right. Mexico has one problem. It's full of
> Mexicans, whose main problem is that they are "essentially indian".
>
> >

thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7

-------
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 03:45:45
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

"Chris in Texas" <43074073@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1165819698$919505@recpoker.com...

> Mexico has a myriad of problems, mainly due to the concentration of wealth
and
> the corruption in govt. and the lack of a solid meritocracy; NAFTA is
changing
> that slowly, but it will take a couple of generations to see widespread
> improvement.

NAFTA is destroying Mexico, unless you think Mexico is the wealthier ten
percent of its population. (Ditto US unless ... )

Example:

We subsidize corn production to the extent of 50% of the price we sell it in
Mexico, making it impossible for even family labor farms to compete, so
those farmers are coming here for jobs.

NAFTA made environmental controls largely non-applicable for firms
relocating to Mexico; the workers slowly die in the poisons their industries
produce around them.

--
eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net

> Chris
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:17:53
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

KilgoreTrout wrote:
> On Dec 11 2006 1:48 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2006 10:37 PM, bo dark wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Popinjay wrote:
> > > > An interesting paradox.
> > > >
> > > > Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> > > > overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> > > > thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> > > >
> > > > However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work
> in
> > > > agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
> legally.
> > > > But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon
> them a
> > > > forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> > > > refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> > > > chased by law enforcement.
> > > >
> > > > So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
> scale,
> > > > I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the
> ones
> > > > I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
> > > >
> > > > And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> > > >
> > > > Feliz Navidad,
> > > > -Paul Popinjay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > paul look at mexico and ask your self why mexico is the way it is,then
> > > ask yourself if you want the united states to be the same way.
> > > i'd like to look on the bright side but there isn't any,while many
> > > mexicans are hard workers,even after a few generations their not
> > > creating jobs their just taking them.mexican culture doesn't place a
> > > premium on education,they run their sons out of the house as soon as
> > > they can so that they don't have to support them.
> >
> > If you're trolling, bravo to you; if you're serious, this is one of the most
> > idiotic comments I've read on RGP. I know many 2nd generation immigrants
> (most
> > legal, some sons of illegals) that have gone on and started companies that
> hire
> > many employees and contribute to the economy.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > mexico is the way it is because of mexicans, and mexico is a third
> > > world country,mexicans are essentially indian and their culture keeps
> > > them down and from prospering.
> >
> > Mexico has a myriad of problems, mainly due to the concentration of wealth
> and
> > the corruption in govt. and the lack of a solid meritocracy; NAFTA is
> changing
> > that slowly, but it will take a couple of generations to see widespread
> > improvement.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> No, I'm pretty sure bo is right. Mexico has one problem. It's full of
> Mexicans, whose main problem is that they are "essentially indian".
>
> >
>
> ----
> looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com

ah,a little sarcasm,the problem isn't their ethnicity,it's the culture
that they've created which doesn't value education or any change,if
your still planting corn with a stick and you don't care then your not
going to progress.
two generations of communism and eastern europe is still suffering it's
effects,and this is do to cultural changes made by the system of
goverment,no incentives to excel except a pat on the back from higher
ups.
there must be problems in mexico,their flleeing mexico in droves,and
their pretty much a homogenus society,which is evident when terms like
"la raza"are used,which is "the race".

so what's the problem there,"la raza"?

Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:20:52
From:
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:00:02
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

I understand your dilemma Paul. But you wouldn't look like such a ninny
if you would call Mexican Americans Latinos or Hispanics. Calling them
"These people" and "those people" is very demeening, and I think it
reflects the way you feel deep down about our friends south of the border.

On Dec 10 2006 10:22 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> An interesting paradox.
>
> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
>
> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
> agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter legally.
> But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them a
> forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> chased by law enforcement.
>
> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
> I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
>
> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
>
> Feliz Navidad,
> -Paul Popinjay

thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7

_____________________________________________________________________
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com

Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:18:00
From: John A. Fish
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

pokerchimp wrote:
> I understand your dilemma Paul. But you wouldn't look like such a ninny
> if you would call Mexican Americans Latinos or Hispanics. Calling them
> "These people" and "those people" is very demeening, and I think it
> reflects the way you feel deep down about our friends south of the border.

You know she is right Paul. From now on call them "those people." You
can do it. We know you can.

John Fish

P.S. Are they Mexican Americans if they are here illegally. I am confused.

Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:41:46
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 10 2006 11:18 PM, John A. Fish wrote:

> pokerchimp wrote:
> > I understand your dilemma Paul. But you wouldn't look like such a ninny
> > if you would call Mexican Americans Latinos or Hispanics. Calling them
> > "These people" and "those people" is very demeening, and I think it
> > reflects the way you feel deep down about our friends south of the border.
>
> You know she is right Paul. From now on call them "those people." You
> can do it. We know you can.
>
> John Fish
>
> P.S. Are they Mexican Americans if they are here illegally. I am confused.

NO, I guess we shouldn't call them Mexican American. We shouldn't call
them "those people" either. Would you want to be called "Those people."
Makes it sound like they are diseased. It's disrespectful.

thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7

----
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 05:20:36
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:a54v44xl5t.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 10 2006 11:18 PM, John A. Fish wrote:
>
>> pokerchimp wrote:
>> > I understand your dilemma Paul. But you wouldn't look like such a
>> > ninny
>> > if you would call Mexican Americans Latinos or Hispanics. Calling them
>> > "These people" and "those people" is very demeening, and I think it
>> > reflects the way you feel deep down about our friends south of the
>> > border.
>>
>> You know she is right Paul. From now on call them "those people." You
>> can do it. We know you can.
>>
>> John Fish
>>
>> P.S. Are they Mexican Americans if they are here illegally. I am
>> confused.
>
> NO, I guess we shouldn't call them Mexican American. We shouldn't call
> them "those people" either. Would you want to be called "Those people."
> Makes it sound like they are diseased. It's disrespectful.
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
>
> ----

I have as much respect for the criminals as I do for our elected business
representatives in Washington.

Date: 10 Dec 2006 21:05:59
From: John A. Fish
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

pokerchimp wrote:

> NO, I guess we shouldn't call them Mexican American. We shouldn't call
> them "those people" either. Would you want to be called "Those people."
> Makes it sound like they are diseased. It's disrespectful.

You used the word "they." I guess you disrespect them too. Language
can be tricky it seems. :-)

Date: 10 Dec 2006 21:53:36
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 11 2006 12:05 AM, John A. Fish wrote:

> pokerchimp wrote:
>
> > NO, I guess we shouldn't call them Mexican American. We shouldn't call
> > them "those people" either. Would you want to be called "Those people."
> > Makes it sound like they are diseased. It's disrespectful.
>
> You used the word "they." I guess you disrespect them too. Language
> can be tricky it seems. :-)

IF you don't understand the difference between using the term "those
people" and using the word they in the proper form of the sentence, you
need to repeat 5th grade.

thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7

_______________________________________________________________________
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:33:28
From: John A. Fish
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

pokerchimp wrote:
> On Dec 11 2006 12:05 AM, John A. Fish wrote:
>
>> pokerchimp wrote:
>>
>>> NO, I guess we shouldn't call them Mexican American. We shouldn't call
>>> them "those people" either. Would you want to be called "Those people."
>>> Makes it sound like they are diseased. It's disrespectful.
>> You used the word "they." I guess you disrespect them too. Language
>> can be tricky it seems. :-)
>
> IF you don't understand the difference between using the term "those
> people" and using the word they in the proper form of the sentence, you
> need to repeat 5th grade.
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7

Repeat 5th grade? Did you say "repeat?" I think you may be making
assumptions young lady.

Date: 10 Dec 2006 19:44:44
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

"Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:w94fh.52608$Fg.6157@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> An interesting paradox.
>
> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
>
> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work
> in agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
> legally. But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish
> upon them a forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my
> own house as refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew
> they were being chased by law enforcement.
>
> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
> scale, I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale,
> the ones I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to
> Mexico.
>
> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
>
> Feliz Navidad,
> -Paul Popinjay

I grew up with many illegal immigrants in San Diego County. Worked with
them, went to School with them, played sports with them, etc. The problem
is that the RULE OF LAW is what we're supposed to be governed by, not the
rule of "he's ok, so let him break the law". Yes, it's a quandry,
especially for those of us who grew up in border areas or other agricultural
areas where a vast majority of the illegal immigrants gather.

I don't have an answer for it in my heart either, but in my head the RULE OF
LAW must be enforced, or changed. It's that simple.

Rick "DaVoice" Charles

Date: 11 Dec 10:01:05
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 10 2006 9:44 PM, DaVoice wrote:

>
> I grew up with many illegal immigrants in San Diego County. Worked with
> them, went to School with them, played sports with them, etc. The problem
> is that the RULE OF LAW is what we're supposed to be governed by, not the
> rule of "he's ok, so let him break the law".

Actually it's the government who's supposed to be constrained by the rule of
law.

You know, Bush/Cheny and other such authoritarian nutcases are supposed to be
following the rule of law.

When I lived in Chicago the cleaning crews for downtown buildings were almost
all illegal Polish immigrants. How come nobody ever wanted to put the owners of
those buildings in jail?

The Rule of Law doesn't mean it's okay for the government to pick and choose
those to torment based on skin color.

If we are really serious about combating terrosim, for example, we'd be putting
the leaders of church groups who finance and encourage anti-abortion terroists
in jail.

> Yes, it's a quandry,
> especially for those of us who grew up in border areas or other agricultural
> areas where a vast majority of the illegal immigrants gather.

That's where they used to gather. That was back when they were allowed to
freely go back and forth to do seasonal work. That's no longer allowed so they
now just come over once (with family now) and stay, moving away from border
areas.

Pay attention to what's going on around you.

>
> I don't have an answer for it in my heart either, but in my head the RULE OF
> LAW must be enforced, or changed. It's that simple.

So you think we should impeach Bush?

In my head that's what it means when you say you want to enforce the Rule of
Law. Or does shouting change the meaning?

Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com

_______________________________________________________________
Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:55:30
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 11 2006 5:01 AM, Gary Carson wrote:

> On Dec 10 2006 9:44 PM, DaVoice wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I grew up with many illegal immigrants in San Diego County. Worked with
> > them, went to School with them, played sports with them, etc. The problem
> > is that the RULE OF LAW is what we're supposed to be governed by, not the
> > rule of "he's ok, so let him break the law".
>
> Actually it's the government who's supposed to be constrained by the rule of
> law.
>
> You know, Bush/Cheny and other such authoritarian nutcases are supposed to be
> following the rule of law.
>
> When I lived in Chicago the cleaning crews for downtown buildings were almost
> all illegal Polish immigrants. How come nobody ever wanted to put the
owners of
> those buildings in jail?
>
> The Rule of Law doesn't mean it's okay for the government to pick and choose
> those to torment based on skin color.
>
> If we are really serious about combating terrosim, for example, we'd be
putting
> the leaders of church groups who finance and encourage anti-abortion
terroists
> in jail.
>

When you are right, you are right.
>
> > Yes, it's a quandry,
> > especially for those of us who grew up in border areas or other
agricultural
> > areas where a vast majority of the illegal immigrants gather.
>
> That's where they used to gather. That was back when they were allowed to
> freely go back and forth to do seasonal work. That's no longer allowed so
they
> now just come over once (with family now) and stay, moving away from border
> areas.
>
> Pay attention to what's going on around you.
>
> >
> > I don't have an answer for it in my heart either, but in my head the RULE
OF
> > LAW must be enforced, or changed. It's that simple.
>
> So you think we should impeach Bush?
>
> In my head that's what it means when you say you want to enforce the Rule of
> Law. Or does shouting change the meaning?
>
>
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com

thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7

------
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 03:37:26
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:Fu4fh.20922$ej3.5093@newsfe16.phx...

> I grew up with many illegal immigrants in San Diego County. Worked with
> them, went to School with them, played sports with them, etc. The problem
> is that the RULE OF LAW is what we're supposed to be governed by, not the
> rule of "he's ok, so let him break the law". Yes, it's a quandry,
> especially for those of us who grew up in border areas or other
agricultural
> areas where a vast majority of the illegal immigrants gather.
>
> I don't have an answer for it in my heart either, but in my head the RULE
OF
> LAW must be enforced, or changed. It's that simple.

This rule of law you mention,

was it the law that made the southwest part of the US?

--
eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net

Date: 11 Dec 2006 07:46:22
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

"I could never wish upon them a forced return to Mexico."

Well not to worry bucko. I just saw an article that said one out of every
seven Mexicans already works in the United States. At the rate the illegals
are flooding into this country from Mexico, Central and South America,
they'll soon be the majority demographic group.

Irish Mike

"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:Fu4fh.20922$ej3.5093@newsfe16.phx...
>
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:w94fh.52608$Fg.6157@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>> An interesting paradox.
>>
>> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
>> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
>> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
>>
>> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work
>> in agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
>> legally. But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish
>> upon them a forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my
>> own house as refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew
>> they were being chased by law enforcement.
>>
>> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
>> scale, I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale,
>> the ones I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to
>> Mexico.
>>
>> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
>>
>> Feliz Navidad,
>> -Paul Popinjay
>
>
> I grew up with many illegal immigrants in San Diego County. Worked with
> them, went to School with them, played sports with them, etc. The problem
> is that the RULE OF LAW is what we're supposed to be governed by, not the
> rule of "he's ok, so let him break the law". Yes, it's a quandry,
> especially for those of us who grew up in border areas or other
> agricultural areas where a vast majority of the illegal immigrants gather.
>
> I don't have an answer for it in my heart either, but in my head the RULE
> OF LAW must be enforced, or changed. It's that simple.
>
> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>
>

Date: 10 Dec 2006 23:58:21
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 11 2006 2:46 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "I could never wish upon them a forced return to Mexico."
>
> Well not to worry bucko. I just saw an article that said one out of every
> seven Mexicans already works in the United States. At the rate the illegals
> are flooding into this country from Mexico, Central and South America,
> they'll soon be the majority demographic group.
>
> Irish Mike

I'm sure that's what the Indians said about the colonists.

>
> "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Fu4fh.20922$ej3.5093@newsfe16.phx...
> >
> > "Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:w94fh.52608$Fg.6157@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> >> An interesting paradox.
> >>
> >> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> >> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> >> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
> >>
> >> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work
> >> in agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
> >> legally. But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish
> >> upon them a forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my
> >> own house as refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew
> >> they were being chased by law enforcement.
> >>
> >> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
> >> scale, I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale,
> >> the ones I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to
> >> Mexico.
> >>
> >> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> >>
> >> Feliz Navidad,
> >> -Paul Popinjay
> >
> >
> > I grew up with many illegal immigrants in San Diego County. Worked with
> > them, went to School with them, played sports with them, etc. The problem
> > is that the RULE OF LAW is what we're supposed to be governed by, not the
> > rule of "he's ok, so let him break the law". Yes, it's a quandry,
> > especially for those of us who grew up in border areas or other
> > agricultural areas where a vast majority of the illegal immigrants gather.
> >
> > I don't have an answer for it in my heart either, but in my head the RULE
> > OF LAW must be enforced, or changed. It's that simple.
> >
> > Rick "DaVoice" Charles
> >
> >

thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7

______________________________________________________________________
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com

Date: 11 Dec 2006 08:18:04
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

"I'm sure that's what the Indians said about the colonists."

Does that mean the government is going to give us white folks our own
casinos?

Irish Mike

"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:tlfv44xllt.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 11 2006 2:46 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "I could never wish upon them a forced return to Mexico."
>>
>> Well not to worry bucko. I just saw an article that said one out of
>> every
>> seven Mexicans already works in the United States. At the rate the
>> illegals
>> are flooding into this country from Mexico, Central and South America,
>> they'll soon be the majority demographic group.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
> I'm sure that's what the Indians said about the colonists.
>
>>
>> "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:Fu4fh.20922$ej3.5093@newsfe16.phx...
>> >
>> > "Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> > news:w94fh.52608$Fg.6157@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>> >> An interesting paradox.
>> >>
>> >> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
>> >> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody
>> >> the
>> >> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to
>> >> Mexico.
>> >>
>> >> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I
>> >> work
>> >> in agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
>> >> legally. But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never
>> >> wish
>> >> upon them a forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer
>> >> my
>> >> own house as refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew
>> >> they were being chased by law enforcement.
>> >>
>> >> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
>> >> scale, I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller
>> >> scale,
>> >> the ones I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to
>> >> Mexico.
>> >>
>> >> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
>> >>
>> >> Feliz Navidad,
>> >> -Paul Popinjay
>> >
>> >
>> > I grew up with many illegal immigrants in San Diego County. Worked
>> > with
>> > them, went to School with them, played sports with them, etc. The
>> > problem
>> > is that the RULE OF LAW is what we're supposed to be governed by, not
>> > the
>> > rule of "he's ok, so let him break the law". Yes, it's a quandry,
>> > especially for those of us who grew up in border areas or other
>> > agricultural areas where a vast majority of the illegal immigrants
>> > gather.
>> >
>> > I don't have an answer for it in my heart either, but in my head the
>> > RULE
>> > OF LAW must be enforced, or changed. It's that simple.
>> >
>> > Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>> >
>> >
>
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com
>
>

Date: 11 Dec 2006 01:01:04
From: I_AM_EVIL
Subject: Re: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 11 2006 3:18 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "I'm sure that's what the Indians said about the colonists."
>
> Does that mean the government is going to give us white folks our own
> casinos?
>
> Irish Mike
>
> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:tlfv44xllt.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Dec 11 2006 2:46 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> "I could never wish upon them a forced return to Mexico."
> >>
> >> Well not to worry bucko. I just saw an article that said one out of
> >> every
> >> seven Mexicans already works in the United States. At the rate the
> >> illegals
> >> are flooding into this country from Mexico, Central and South America,
> >> they'll soon be the majority demographic group.
> >>
> >> Irish Mike
> >
> > I'm sure that's what the Indians said about the colonists.
> >
> >>
> >> "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:Fu4fh.20922$ej3.5093@newsfe16.phx...
> >> >
> >> > "Paul Popinjay" <paulg123[nospam]@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:w94fh.52608$Fg.6157@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> >> >> An interesting paradox.
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> >> >> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody
> >> >> the
> >> >> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to
> >> >> Mexico.
> >> >>
> >> >> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I
> >> >> work
> >> >> in agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter
> >> >> legally. But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never
> >> >> wish
> >> >> upon them a forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer
> >> >> my
> >> >> own house as refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew
> >> >> they were being chased by law enforcement.
> >> >>
> >> >> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand
> >> >> scale, I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller
> >> >> scale,
> >> >> the ones I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to
> >> >> Mexico.
> >> >>
> >> >> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
> >> >>
> >> >> Feliz Navidad,
> >> >> -Paul Popinjay
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I grew up with many illegal immigrants in San Diego County. Worked
> >> > with
> >> > them, went to School with them, played sports with them, etc. The
> >> > problem
> >> > is that the RULE OF LAW is what we're supposed to be governed by, not
> >> > the
> >> > rule of "he's ok, so let him break the law". Yes, it's a quandry,
> >> > especially for those of us who grew up in border areas or other
> >> > agricultural areas where a vast majority of the illegal immigrants
> >> > gather.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have an answer for it in my heart either, but in my head the
> >> > RULE
> >> > OF LAW must be enforced, or changed. It's that simple.
> >> >
> >> > Rick "DaVoice" Charles
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> >

Or all the alcohol we can drink?

The 2nd Amendment........America's TRUE Homeland Security.

-------
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com

Date: 11 Dec
From: Barking Toad
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

This is why there is such a massive problem in the first place. So many people
are willing to help the "nice" lawbreakers. Keep helping them and you'll end up
helping a lot more, when their relatives come in since they found such a good
patsy. P. S., would you mind staking me in the $500 end of month pokerstars
tourney?

On Dec 10 2006 9:22 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
> agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter legally.
> But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them a
> forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> chased by law enforcement.
>
> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
> I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
>
> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
>
> Feliz Navidad,
> -Paul Popinjay

_______________________________________________________________
New Feature: Mark All As Read! - http://www.recpoker.com

Date: 10 Dec 2006 19:25:14
From:
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

Date: 11 Dec 2006 05:21:21
From: BeaForoni
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

Paul Popinjay wrote:
> An interesting paradox.
>
> Of course I am against illegal immigration and I see our nation being
> overrun by these people. I am highly in favor of taking into custody the
> thousands and thousands here illegally and sending them back to Mexico.
>
> However, on the other hand. I know many Mexicans here illegally. I work in
> agriculture and there are a gazzilion here who I know did not enter legally.
> But the ones that I know and have befriended, I could never wish upon them a
> forced return to Mexico. In fact, I would certainly offer my own house as
> refuge to any of the Mexicans I have befriended if I knew they were being
> chased by law enforcement.
>
> So it's a strange and uncomfortable situation to be in. On the grand scale,
> I want those people returned to Mexico. But on the smaller scale, the ones
> I know and have befriended, I would not want them returned to Mexico.
>
> And I don't know how to resolve this conflict within myself.
>
> Feliz Navidad,
> -Paul Popinjay

Perhaps the conflict will be resolved for you.

The US president has stretched it's military way too thin. Iraq and
Afghanistan are taking much of our national guard. North Korea is
making noise and we need to bulk up defenses in that war. Then our
fearless leader decides to commit more troops to a new battle in Iran.
Our border is more porous than a submarine with screen windows.

With all this going on, the Mexican president invades the US
southwest. Any excuse will do, but human rights violations against
Mexican nationals rings true. The nationals are already a majority.
Many think that the southwest states were taken illegally from Mexico
years ago and now is the time to take them back, it will give "remember
the Alamo" a whole new meaning.

So, the Mexican army comes across our border. Many 'illegals' will be
sympathic with the movement that will give them full rights. The
infrastucture collapses because the economy cannot function without the
undocumented. Many of our enimies will be salavating to assist in our
defeat and supply arms and materials. Even our allies may think we are
getting our come uppens. Soon enough we will get used to 42 stars on
our flag and will be traveling to Dallas to see donkey shows and have
our picture taken with a pony painted to look like a zebra.

Date: 11 Dec 18:45:18
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: OT: Regarding Illegal Mexicans

On Dec 11 2006 7:21 AM, BeaForoni wrote:

> The US president has stretched it's military way too thin. Iraq and
> Afghanistan are taking much of our national guard. North Korea is
> making noise and we need to bulk up defenses in that war. Then our
> fearless leader decides to commit more troops to a new battle in Iran.
> Our border is more porous than a submarine with screen windows.
>
> With all this going on, the Mexican president invades the US
> southwest. Any excuse will do, but human rights violations against
> Mexican nationals rings true. The nationals are already a majority.
> Many think that the southwest states were taken illegally from Mexico
> years ago

We'll they never attacked up, but we did attack them, and the purpose of the
attack wasn't pre-emptive, there was no arguement that we were at any risk of
being attacked by them. The arguement used to attack them was Manifest Destiny,
that we deserved some of their territory because God was on our side.

and now is the time to take them back, it will give "remember
> the Alamo" a whole new meaning.

Actually, the battle cry at San Jancicento wasn't "remember the Alamo", it was
"Remember Goliad". And those 3 battles were about the Republic of Texas war
with Mexico 15 years before the US got involved.

>
> So, the Mexican army comes across our border.

Texas Rangers and other law enforcement has been crossing that border since long
before the US even had a border with Mexico.

The Anglos in the North have never respected the border with Mexico.

>Many 'illegals' will be
> sympathic with the movement that will give them full rights.

Full rights? Which rights are you talking about? Those rights given to man by
his creator?

>The
> infrastucture collapses because the economy cannot function without the
> undocumented.

They don't come across because of any kind of pull migration. It's a push
migration, they come because things are turning to shit where they are and they
can't find work. And our solution is to try to make their local econmies even
worse, increasing the push pressure for them to migrate.

We're about the dumbest people on the face of the earth. I mean, our
immigration policies are the definition of stupid. We come up with "solutions"
that make some idiot look good politically but clearly just make things worse.
And the public re-elects those clowns.

Many of our enimies will be salavating to assist in our
> defeat and supply arms and materials. Even our allies may think we are
> getting our come uppens. Soon enough we will get used to 42 stars on
> our flag and will be traveling to Dallas to see donkey shows and have
> our picture taken with a pony painted to look like a zebra.

Actually, the logical outcome is that Mexico becomes part of the US. I'm not
sure why anybody in the US would want that, but that's the logical eventual
outcome of our policies.

Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com

_______________________________________________________________
Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com