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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:09:19
From: RazzO
Subject: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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What do you think is the percentage of Jews who believe that God sent
Jesus Christ down to us and that Christianity is the right path to be on?
RazzO
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 22:55:47
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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OrangeSFO wrote:
> bo dark wrote:
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> > are you saying that what a person believes changes their ethnicity?
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>
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> If "Jew" is an ethnicity, then so is "Christian"
no,because jews seldom intermarried with others as it relates to
religion.jews don't proseltize as other religions,you have to ask to
become a jew.jews in the old testament were the sons of abraham and
decended from jacobs(israel)sons.
are you saying michael shermers not a jew,he's an atheist.if he's not a
jew,ask him what he is.christianity is a faith,judaism is a
faith,beiing a jew is an ethnicity.islam is a faith,but iranians are
persian,and saudi's are arabs.
if jews aren't an ethnicity who the hell did hitler have killed,and how
were they identified,did atheist jews in europe all where stars of
david.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 22:33:01
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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bo dark wrote:
> are you saying that what a person believes changes their ethnicity?
If "Jew" is an ethnicity, then so is "Christian"
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 01:30:02
From: MZB
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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Hmmmmm.... I wonder what percentage of Christians REALLY BELIEVE THAT????
I guess slightly more than the percentage of people who really believe in
fairy tales
Mel
"RazzO" <razzo@razzo.com > wrote in message
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> What do you think is the percentage of Jews who believe that God sent
> Jesus Christ down to us and that Christianity is the right path to be on?
>
>
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> RazzO
> email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
> http://www.razzo.com
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:50:55
From: Kinnipak
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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On Dec 14 2006 11:09 PM, RazzO wrote:
> What do you think is the percentage of Jews who believe that God sent
> Jesus Christ down to us and that Christianity is the right path to be on?
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>
>
> RazzO
> email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
> http://www.razzo.com
when did you get this deep?
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:58:03
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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I have always wondered since it was understood by me what was it that
convinced Jews that Jesus Christ was not the son of God. Was it monetary
repercussions? What was it? Jesus performed miracles in front of there
eyes. Or did He not?
On Dec 14 2006 9:50 PM, Kinnipak wrote:
> when did you get this deep?
RazzO
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 01:38:38
From: sng
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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RazzO wrote:
> I have always wondered since it was understood by me what was it that
> convinced Jews that Jesus Christ was not the son of God. Was it monetary
> repercussions? What was it? Jesus performed miracles in front of there
> eyes. Or did He not?
>
>
Your OP answer is dependant on what definition of a Jew you're talking
about.
If by Jew you mean a descendant of the biblical Hebrews, then certainly
a large percentage of those no longer subscribe to Judaism. If by Jew
you mean one who practices Judaism then the answer is 0%
Belief that Jesus was the son of god is incompatible with Judaism.
This is like asking what percentage of Christians don't believe in
Christ, the answer has to be 0.
--
S. Doyle
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 04:18:11
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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On Dec 15 2006 1:38 AM, sng wrote:
> RazzO wrote:
> > I have always wondered since it was understood by me what was it that
> > convinced Jews that Jesus Christ was not the son of God. Was it monetary
> > repercussions? What was it? Jesus performed miracles in front of there
> > eyes. Or did He not?
> >
> >
> Your OP answer is dependant on what definition of a Jew you're talking
> about.
>
> If by Jew you mean a descendant of the biblical Hebrews, then certainly
> a large percentage of those no longer subscribe to Judaism. If by Jew
> you mean one who practices Judaism then the answer is 0%
>
> Belief that Jesus was the son of god is incompatible with Judaism.
>
> This is like asking what percentage of Christians don't believe in
> Christ, the answer has to be 0.
>
>
> --
> S. Doyle
> doyles AT mountaincable DOT net
I agree with your answer except when you say that a large % of Jew no
longer subscribe to Judaism, that doesn't mean they subscribe to
Christianity either, which I think is what Razzo was asking. I wouldn't
say the percentage is large.
From Wikpedia (I only put the into to the article and a link to the rest
of it.
Jews for Jesus is a Christian[1] evangelical organization based in San
Francisco, California. A member organization of numerous evangelical
Christian groups, its goal is to convince Jews that Jesus is the Messiah
and God. While Jews for Jesus says that its followers are "living out
their Jewishness" [2], the organization defines "Jewish" in terms of
parentage and not as a matter of religion, going so far as to declare that
Jews "are not of one religion."[3]. Jewish denominations,[4] Jewish
groups, [5] [6] national Jewish organizations, [7] the State of Israel,
[8] and many others reject the group's self-identification as "Jews" due
to the Christian beliefs of its members and its evangelical activities.
[9] [10] [11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 20:03:15
From: MZB
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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Yeah... but I bet PLENTY truly do NOT believe this poppycock
Mel
"sng" <doylesNO@SPAMmountaincablePLEASE.net > wrote in message
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> RazzO wrote:
>> I have always wondered since it was understood by me what was it that
>> convinced Jews that Jesus Christ was not the son of God. Was it monetary
>> repercussions? What was it? Jesus performed miracles in front of there
>> eyes. Or did He not?
>>
>>
> Your OP answer is dependant on what definition of a Jew you're talking
> about.
>
> If by Jew you mean a descendant of the biblical Hebrews, then certainly a
> large percentage of those no longer subscribe to Judaism. If by Jew you
> mean one who practices Judaism then the answer is 0%
>
> Belief that Jesus was the son of god is incompatible with Judaism.
>
> This is like asking what percentage of Christians don't believe in Christ,
> the answer has to be 0.
>
>
> --
> S. Doyle
> doyles AT mountaincable DOT net
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 22:37:55
From: I_AM_EVIL
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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On Dec 15 2006 12:58 AM, RazzO wrote:
> I have always wondered since it was understood by me what was it that
> convinced Jews that Jesus Christ was not the son of God. Was it monetary
> repercussions? What was it? Jesus performed miracles in front of there
> eyes. Or did He not?
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 9:50 PM, Kinnipak wrote:
>
> > when did you get this deep?
>
>
> RazzO
> email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
> http://www.razzo.com
Did he? I still don't understand why "god" would need to send
his/her/its son to earth to make us believe in him/her/it. Isn't
he/she/it the same "god" that created EVERYTHING in 6 days? Couldn't
he/she/it just snap his/her/its fingers and make everyone believe? It
seems a little sadistic to force your son to die on a cross(if it ever
really happened) to make people believe.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:51:18
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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OrangeSFO wrote:
> Zero
>
>
> If that's what you believe then you're not Jewish.
>
> Next case.
are you saying that what a person believes changes their ethnicity?if a
jewish person,say bobby fisher goes around railing against jews,and
denies he's a jew,but it can be proven by his parents and grandparents
that he is a jew,does this make him not a jew,because he denies he is.
all of the early christian church jewish,were st.paul and st.peter
chechens?
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:46:50
From: Esko
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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OrangeSFO wrote:
> Zero
>
>
> If that's what you believe then you're not Jewish.
>
> Next case.
What about Jesus himself?
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:40:18
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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Zero
If that's what you believe then you're not Jewish.
Next case.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:49:45
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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No, I'm not Jewish, and no, the case isn't closed. Why? Because you are
preaching that the case is closed? I'm talking about Jews who believe
inside of themselves that Christianity was meant to be but may be closet,
or for some reason cannot reveal socially there belief in Jesus Christ.
Hey, everyone, Orange just preached the case is closed. Are we believers?
LOL.
Zero? LOL. And I thought you were intelligent, Orange.
On Dec 14 2006 9:40 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
> Zero
>
>
> If that's what you believe then you're not Jewish.
>
> Next case.
RazzO
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 04:24:27
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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I am sure there are doubters in every religion. I am Jewish and believe
in the princliples of the religion, but not always the practices. Don't
know anyone who is Jewish and thinks Christ is the saviour. They would no
longer consider themselves Jewish. Although there are definitely "fallen"
Jews who believe in Christ and who have renounced Judaism. I have posted
some info elsewhere in the thread. They are part of an organization
called Jews for Jesus. They are not a large % of the Jewish population.
On Dec 15 2006 12:49 AM, RazzO wrote:
> No, I'm not Jewish, and no, the case isn't closed. Why? Because you are
> preaching that the case is closed? I'm talking about Jews who believe
> inside of themselves that Christianity was meant to be but may be closet,
> or for some reason cannot reveal socially there belief in Jesus Christ.
>
> Hey, everyone, Orange just preached the case is closed. Are we believers?
> LOL.
>
> Zero? LOL. And I thought you were intelligent, Orange.
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 9:40 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
> > Zero
> >
> >
> > If that's what you believe then you're not Jewish.
> >
> > Next case.
>
>
> RazzO
> email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
> http://www.razzo.com
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 04:09:27
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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Havn't read the whole thread yet, but there is an organization (or was 25
years ago) called Jews for Jesus.
On Dec 15 2006 12:49 AM, RazzO wrote:
> No, I'm not Jewish, and no, the case isn't closed. Why? Because you are
> preaching that the case is closed? I'm talking about Jews who believe
> inside of themselves that Christianity was meant to be but may be closet,
> or for some reason cannot reveal socially there belief in Jesus Christ.
>
> Hey, everyone, Orange just preached the case is closed. Are we believers?
> LOL.
>
> Zero? LOL. And I thought you were intelligent, Orange.
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 9:40 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:
>
> > Zero
> >
> >
> > If that's what you believe then you're not Jewish.
> >
> > Next case.
>
>
> RazzO
> email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
> http://www.razzo.com
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 10:06:19
From:
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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I have posted another response in this thread addressing the very basic
and much overlooked fact that almost all present day Jews and almost
all of those killed by the Nazis were Ashkenardze Jews and not Semitic;
this ethnic group was converted to Judaism around AD 800 and have no
racial connection to the Jews of biblical times. Semite=from the
middle east, Ashkenardze/Khazar=from central Asia.
OrangeSFO ha scritto:
> bo dark wrote:
>
>
> > if jews aren't an ethnicity who the hell did hitler have killed
>
>
> Semites
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 09:58:41
From:
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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The big joke of all of this is that about 95 % of modern day Jews are
Ashkenardze or descendants thereof. Definitely an ethnicity, or racial
group, or tribe, whatever term you like. This group of people came
from central asia and were converted enmasse to Judaism around 800 AD.
Previously they were known as the Khazars and for a great amount of
time controlled the commerce on the southern half of the Balkan
peninsula extending into southern Russia.
The racial connection to Jerusalem, to Abraham and Moses and what have
you is ZERO. None of the pro-Israeli people are particularly happy
with this very basic fact because it makes the old 'claim to the
promised land' a sort of shaky claim at best.
So 95% of Jews today are not even Semetic. Semetic people originate
from the middle east and have olive skin and darker features. Which
groups of Arabs can be classified as Semites and which not is beyond
me.
The simple modern day reality of it all is that the state of Israel is
not composed of Semites. However, accusations of Anti-semitism are
quickly levelled at critics of this state. All the while the people
living under the boot of this regime are much more likely be of Semitic
origins than those in power.
Funny things, names and labels and definitions...
> > If "Jew" is an ethnicity, then so is "Christian"
>
>
> no,because jews seldom intermarried with others as it relates to
> religion.jews don't proseltize as other religions,you have to ask to
> become a jew.jews in the old testament were the sons of abraham and
> decended from jacobs(israel)sons.
>
> are you saying michael shermers not a jew,he's an atheist.if he's not a
> jew,ask him what he is.christianity is a faith,judaism is a
> faith,beiing a jew is an ethnicity.islam is a faith,but iranians are
> persian,and saudi's are arabs.
>
> if jews aren't an ethnicity who the hell did hitler have killed,and how
> were they identified,did atheist jews in europe all where stars of
> david.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 03:45:40
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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bo dark wrote:
> OrangeSFO wrote:
> > bo dark wrote:
> >
> >
> > > if jews aren't an ethnicity who the hell did hitler have killed
> >
> >
> > Semites
>
>
> but not just any semites,there weren't any lebanese or syrians in that
> group were there?an iraqi?samaritans?wonder if omar shariff had any
> relatives die in those death camps?
You seem awfully fascinated with dead Jews.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:07:30
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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> > > > if jews aren't an ethnicity who the hell did hitler have killed
> > >
> > > Semites
> >
> > but not just any semites,there weren't any lebanese or syrians in that
> > group were there?an iraqi?samaritans?wonder if omar shariff had any
> > relatives die in those death camps?
>
> You seem awfully fascinated with dead Jews.
you seem to be getting the floor mopped with your face.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 01:47:45
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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OrangeSFO wrote:
> bo dark wrote:
>
>
> > if jews aren't an ethnicity who the hell did hitler have killed
>
>
> Semites
but not just any semites,there weren't any lebanese or syrians in that
group were there?an iraqi?samaritans?wonder if omar shariff had any
relatives die in those death camps?
let me ask you this,are italians and germans the same ethnic group?
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 01:24:10
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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bo dark wrote:
> if jews aren't an ethnicity who the hell did hitler have killed
Semites
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 00:41:15
From: art_classmn
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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RazzO wrote:
> What do you think is the percentage of Jews who believe that God sent
> Jesus Christ down to us and that Christianity is the right path to be on?
I think it is about the same percentage as Christians who believe that
jeebus christ is not the son of god and that Judaism is the right path
to be on.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 15:31:47
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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pokerchimp wrote:
> Havn't read the whole thread yet, but there is an organization (or was 25
> years ago) called Jews for Jesus.
AKA "Christians"
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 11:21:13
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: (OT) Percentage of Jews who believe
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mbartlog@hotmail.com wrote:
> The big joke of all of this is that about 95 % of modern day Jews are
> Ashkenardze or descendants thereof. Definitely an ethnicity, or racial
> group, or tribe, whatever term you like. This group of people came
> from central asia and were converted enmasse to Judaism around 800 AD.
> Previously they were known as the Khazars and for a great amount of
> time controlled the commerce on the southern half of the Balkan
> peninsula extending into southern Russia.
>
> The racial connection to Jerusalem, to Abraham and Moses and what have
> you is ZERO. None of the pro-Israeli people are particularly happy
> with this very basic fact because it makes the old 'claim to the
> promised land' a sort of shaky claim at best.
>
> So 95% of Jews today are not even Semetic. Semetic people originate
> from the middle east and have olive skin and darker features. Which
> groups of Arabs can be classified as Semites and which not is beyond
> me.
>
> The simple modern day reality of it all is that the state of Israel is
> not composed of Semites. However, accusations of Anti-semitism are
> quickly levelled at critics of this state. All the while the people
> living under the boot of this regime are much more likely be of Semitic
> origins than those in power.
>
> Funny things, names and labels and definitions...
>
>
>
>
>
> > > If "Jew" is an ethnicity, then so is "Christian"
> >
> >
> > no,because jews seldom intermarried with others as it relates to
> > religion.jews don't proseltize as other religions,you have to ask to
> > become a jew.jews in the old testament were the sons of abraham and
> > decended from jacobs(israel)sons.
> >
> > are you saying michael shermers not a jew,he's an atheist.if he's not a
> > jew,ask him what he is.christianity is a faith,judaism is a
> > faith,beiing a jew is an ethnicity.islam is a faith,but iranians are
> > persian,and saudi's are arabs.
> >
> > if jews aren't an ethnicity who the hell did hitler have killed,and how
> > were they identified,did atheist jews in europe all where stars of
> > david.
you say they converted enmasse?you know that judaism isn't a big
proseltizing religion,at least throughout recorded history there's not
much showing them converting a group of people to their religion.
800a.d.?the romans left a lot of recorded history involving the peoples
of the empire,that was 2000 and more years ago,i wonder if there are
any credible historical sources that would have made mention of the
masse conversion of these khazars since it wasn't nearly that long ago.
try to give me a site that would be neutral in it's bent on this
subject,because when i read this khazar stuff it's usually from sites
that don't like jews merely because their jews.i believe jews have
warts and faults like everyone else but most of this khazar stuff has
no credible historical backing.
did you ever here of the dispora?
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