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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:48:14
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: OT: My "redo" starts now
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My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
too....
Finances? They're shot. good times.
Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 01:39:26
From: MZB
Subject: Re: My "redo" starts now
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I noticed you didn't make any resolutions about your gambling problem
Mel
"CincinnatiKid" <a16b5@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
>
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 07:21:25
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: My "redo" starts now
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He doesn't have a gambling problem (as long as he keeps being a card rack
&winning)
On Dec 15 2006 1:39 AM, MZB wrote:
> I noticed you didn't make any resolutions about your gambling problem
>
> Mel
> "CincinnatiKid" <a16b5@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ue4954x2og.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> > room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> > didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> > son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> > too....
> >
> > Finances? They're shot. good times.
> >
> > Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> >
> > I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
> >
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Date: 15 Dec
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: OT: My
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Good luck Cincy
On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 20:18:28
From: Von Fourche
Subject: Re: My "redo" starts now
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"CincinnatiKid" <a16b5@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:ue4954x2og.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
Yes, run with it. Better yet, throw you kid in your car and run to
another state. Then we can see an Amber Alert put out on you - "...the
child was kidnapped by his estranged father who is known as the
'CincinnatiKid.' Caution is to be taken when around the 'CincinnatiKid' as
he has been known to become arrogant and pompous after winning poker
tournaments. Authorities are currently playing in poker tournaments on
Poker Stars in hopes of trapping this man."
Yeah, the mother-in-law was protecting her daughter and grandchild.
What else was she to do?
Keep the faith.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 07:19:50
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: My "redo" starts now
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tee hee
On Dec 14 2006 8:18 PM, Von Fourche wrote:
> "CincinnatiKid" <a16b5@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ue4954x2og.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> >
> > I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
>
>
> Yes, run with it. Better yet, throw you kid in your car and run to
> another state. Then we can see an Amber Alert put out on you - "...the
> child was kidnapped by his estranged father who is known as the
> 'CincinnatiKid.' Caution is to be taken when around the 'CincinnatiKid' as
> he has been known to become arrogant and pompous after winning poker
> tournaments. Authorities are currently playing in poker tournaments on
> Poker Stars in hopes of trapping this man."
>
> Yeah, the mother-in-law was protecting her daughter and grandchild.
> What else was she to do?
>
> Keep the faith.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Mr. Peoples
Subject: Re: OT: My
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Your ex-mother in law should've kept her mouth shut. I hate other people
getting directly involved like that when they have no business. Tell her to go
fuck herself next time you see her.
As for the drinking you obviously know if you've got a problem or not. I drink
and sometimes do stupid shit but It's nobody's business. Hopefully, your ex
isn't trying to use that against you with your kid - if she is then fuck her
too...
Guys get screwed no matter what in a divorce it's the American way. I wish you
the best of luck bro
On Dec 14 2006 4:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 6:06 PM, Mr. Peoples wrote:
>
> Your ex-mother in law should've kept her mouth shut. I hate other people
> getting directly involved like that when they have no business. Tell her to
> go
> fuck herself next time you see her.
Oh that is great advice!
Thern maybe just maybe he will see his kid once a year.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Mr. Peoples
Subject: Re: OT: My
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Well just for telling her to fuck off? The court can't take away supervision
just for that...
On Dec 14 2006 6:11 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 6:06 PM, Mr. Peoples wrote:
>
> >
> > Your ex-mother in law should've kept her mouth shut. I hate other people
> > getting directly involved like that when they have no business. Tell her to
> > go
> > fuck herself next time you see her.
>
> Oh that is great advice!
> Thern maybe just maybe he will see his kid once a year.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 10:27 PM, Mr. Peoples wrote:
> Well just for telling her to fuck off? The court can't take away supervision
> just for that...
really it would blow your mind if you knew what family court can and does do.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Mr. Peoples
Subject: Re: OT: My
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I'll take your word for it.......I retract my original statement - give her a
hug instead :)
On Dec 14 2006 10:46 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 10:27 PM, Mr. Peoples wrote:
>
> > Well just for telling her to fuck off? The court can't take away
> > supervision
> > just for that...
>
> really it would blow your mind if you knew what family court can and does do.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 10:27 PM, Mr. Peoples wrote:
> Well just for telling her to fuck off? The court can't take away supervision
> just for that...
Want to bet?
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 16:51:20
From: bjgkaraoke@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT: My "redo" starts now
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CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
Your ex-mother-in-law was looking out for the interests of her daughter
and grandson. You can hardly blame her for doing that. Divorce is
traumatic for everyone.
I hope you're willing to get and ask for the help you need to deal with
your alcohol and other problems. AA worked for me and lots of other
people, but there are other options too. The following link was listed
in Paul Phillip's blog. Apparently, it helped him.
http://www.rational.org/
Goood luck with your future life,
Barbara Gallamore
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try having a
couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of beers in
the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep that's a good
sign that you can handle it.
Good luck, hang in there.
Chris
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 01:40:57
From: MZB
Subject: Re: OT: My
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I'll see that beer and raise you two
Mel
"Chris in Texas" <43074073@recpoker.com > wrote in message
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>
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
>> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
>> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
>> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
>> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
>> too....
>>
>> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>>
>> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>>
>> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
>
> Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try
> having a
> couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of beers
> in
> the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep that's a
> good
> sign that you can handle it.
>
> Good luck, hang in there.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:50:34
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Fri, 15 Dec 06 0:41:45 GMT, Chris in Texas <43074073@recpoker.com >
wrote:
>
>
>
>On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
>> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
>> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
>> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
>> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
>> too....
>>
>> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>>
>> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>>
>> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
>
>Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try having a
>couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of beers in
>the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep that's a good
>sign that you can handle it.
>
>Good luck, hang in there.
>
>Chris
>
A visit to a local AA meeting wouldn't hurt either.
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Date: 15 Dec 10:43:22
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 6:50 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 06 0:41:45 GMT, Chris in Texas <43074073@recpoker.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> >
> >> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> >> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> >> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> >> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> >> too....
> >>
> >> Finances? They're shot. good times.
> >>
> >> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> >>
> >> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
> >
> >Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try
> >having a
> >couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of beers
> >in
> >the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep that's a
> >good
> >sign that you can handle it.
> >
> >Good luck, hang in there.
> >
> >Chris
> >
>
> A visit to a local AA meeting wouldn't hurt either.
AA is for those w/ addictions so strong they can't handle 1 serving of alcohol
without going on a bender (like me and nicotine). There are many problem
drinkers that aren't physically and mentally addicted to alcohol, rather,
they're using booze to self-medicate themselves due to other physiological
and/or mental issues.
Cincy, from what I know about his posts, seems to be the latter. If he can
resolve those other issues, and inflict some discipline in his drinking, he may
not need to quit completely. AA doesn't cater to problem drinkers that are
having trouble drinking socially, they are for those unfortunate ones that can't
handle even ONE drink without losing control.
I may be wrong, but based on the info so far I don't put Cincy into that "can't
handle 1 drink" category.
I know smokers that can not smoke for weeks, and on a given night smoke 2 or 3
cigarrettes, and not smoke for months. I'm not one of those; same with
drinkers.
Chris
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 12:52:58
From: KilgoreTrout
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 5:43 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:
> On Dec 14 2006 6:50 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Dec 06 0:41:45 GMT, Chris in Texas <43074073@recpoker.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > >
> > >> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> > >> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> > >> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> > >> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good
thing
> > >> too....
> > >>
> > >> Finances? They're shot. good times.
> > >>
> > >> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> > >>
> > >> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
> > >
> > >Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try
> > >having a
> > >couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of
beers
> > >in
> > >the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep that's a
> > >good
> > >sign that you can handle it.
> > >
> > >Good luck, hang in there.
> > >
> > >Chris
> > >
> >
> > A visit to a local AA meeting wouldn't hurt either.
>
> AA is for those w/ addictions so strong they can't handle 1 serving of
alcohol
> without going on a bender (like me and nicotine). There are many problem
> drinkers that aren't physically and mentally addicted to alcohol, rather,
> they're using booze to self-medicate themselves due to other physiological
> and/or mental issues.
>
I really, strongly disagree with this description of alcoholism and AA.
Well, I disagree with most descriptions of alcoholism, or addiction in
general, but I think you would find AA-types would disagree with what you
are saying here.
The problem with alcoholism is there isn't a great set of defining
criteria. Ask one abuse counselor, and they might tell you the key is
craving alcohol. Another might say "If you've *ever* had a blackout,
you're an alcoholic". A third might describe something close to what you
are saying here.
One thing's for sure. Go into any AA meeting, you will find a group of
people who have had a ton of night where they managed to keep things
together and have a beer or two. It's those other nights, the occasional
time where one or two led to four or five which led to getting blasted,
that are the problem.
I know it's kind of a cliche, but if Cinci isn't an alcoholic, why have a
beer or two to begin with? In other words, if you suspect you have a
problem, why not prove you don't... by never drinking again? There are
plenty of alternative ways to have a good time (or, so I hear).
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 16:26:53
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 3:52 PM, KilgoreTrout wrote:
> On Dec 15 2006 5:43 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:
>
> > On Dec 14 2006 6:50 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 15 Dec 06 0:41:45 GMT, Chris in Texas <43074073@recpoker.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that
court
> > > >> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> > > >> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are
my
> > > >> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good
> thing
> > > >> too....
> > > >>
> > > >> Finances? They're shot. good times.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
> > > >
> > > >Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try
> > > >having a
> > > >couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of
> beers
> > > >in
> > > >the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep that's
a
> > > >good
> > > >sign that you can handle it.
> > > >
> > > >Good luck, hang in there.
> > > >
> > > >Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > > A visit to a local AA meeting wouldn't hurt either.
> >
> > AA is for those w/ addictions so strong they can't handle 1 serving of
> alcohol
> > without going on a bender (like me and nicotine). There are many problem
> > drinkers that aren't physically and mentally addicted to alcohol, rather,
> > they're using booze to self-medicate themselves due to other physiological
> > and/or mental issues.
> >
>
> I really, strongly disagree with this description of alcoholism and AA.
> Well, I disagree with most descriptions of alcoholism, or addiction in
> general, but I think you would find AA-types would disagree with what you
> are saying here.
>
> The problem with alcoholism is there isn't a great set of defining
> criteria. Ask one abuse counselor, and they might tell you the key is
> craving alcohol. Another might say "If you've *ever* had a blackout,
> you're an alcoholic". A third might describe something close to what you
> are saying here.
>
> One thing's for sure. Go into any AA meeting, you will find a group of
> people who have had a ton of night where they managed to keep things
> together and have a beer or two. It's those other nights, the occasional
> time where one or two led to four or five which led to getting blasted,
> that are the problem.
>
> I know it's kind of a cliche, but if Cinci isn't an alcoholic, why have a
> beer or two to begin with? In other words, if you suspect you have a
> problem, why not prove you don't... by never drinking again? There are
> plenty of alternative ways to have a good time (or, so I hear).
>
> Cheers.
I'm sure I am only saying this because I don't drink...it doesn't effect
me well, but I agree. If you're not an alcoholic, why bother even having
one or two? I guess I just can't relate. I'd rather smoke a bowl than
have a beer. I think it's healthier anyway. Best of luck always.
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Date: 15 Dec 21:39:22
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 2:52 PM, KilgoreTrout wrote:
> On Dec 15 2006 5:43 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:
>
> > On Dec 14 2006 6:50 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 15 Dec 06 0:41:45 GMT, Chris in Texas <43074073@recpoker.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that
> > > >> court
> > > >> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> > > >> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are
> > > >> my
> > > >> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good
> thing
> > > >> too....
> > > >>
> > > >> Finances? They're shot. good times.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
> > > >
> > > >Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try
> > > >having a
> > > >couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of
> beers
> > > >in
> > > >the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep that's a
> > > >good
> > > >sign that you can handle it.
> > > >
> > > >Good luck, hang in there.
> > > >
> > > >Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > > A visit to a local AA meeting wouldn't hurt either.
> >
> > AA is for those w/ addictions so strong they can't handle 1 serving of
> alcohol
> > without going on a bender (like me and nicotine). There are many problem
> > drinkers that aren't physically and mentally addicted to alcohol, rather,
> > they're using booze to self-medicate themselves due to other physiological
> > and/or mental issues.
> >
>
> I really, strongly disagree with this description of alcoholism and AA.
> Well, I disagree with most descriptions of alcoholism, or addiction in
> general, but I think you would find AA-types would disagree with what you
> are saying here.
>
> The problem with alcoholism is there isn't a great set of defining
> criteria. Ask one abuse counselor, and they might tell you the key is
> craving alcohol. Another might say "If you've *ever* had a blackout,
> you're an alcoholic". A third might describe something close to what you
> are saying here.
>
> One thing's for sure. Go into any AA meeting, you will find a group of
> people who have had a ton of night where they managed to keep things
> together and have a beer or two. It's those other nights, the occasional
> time where one or two led to four or five which led to getting blasted,
> that are the problem.
>
> I know it's kind of a cliche, but if Cinci isn't an alcoholic, why have a
> beer or two to begin with? In other words, if you suspect you have a
> problem, why not prove you don't... by never drinking again? There are
> plenty of alternative ways to have a good time (or, so I hear).
>
> Cheers.
You may be right, my opinion is based on personal knowledge of alcoholics that
get on the wagon, but are incapable of having 2 beers without needing an
immediate 3rd, 4th, so on. From what little I know of AA, they strongly
discourage members from having that "first" drink after quitting. If I'm wrong,
and they don't mind certain members drinking socially if they can handle it
without going on a bender, than I've just learned something new.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:02:01
From: KilgoreTrout
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 4:39 PM, Chris in Texas wrote:
> On Dec 15 2006 2:52 PM, KilgoreTrout wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15 2006 5:43 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 14 2006 6:50 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 15 Dec 06 0:41:45 GMT, Chris in Texas <43074073@recpoker.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that
> > > > >> court
> > > > >> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> > > > >> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now
are
> > > > >> my
> > > > >> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good
> > thing
> > > > >> too....
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Finances? They're shot. good times.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
> > > > >
> > > > >Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try
> > > > >having a
> > > > >couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of
> > beers
> > > > >in
> > > > >the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep
that's a
> > > > >good
> > > > >sign that you can handle it.
> > > > >
> > > > >Good luck, hang in there.
> > > > >
> > > > >Chris
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > A visit to a local AA meeting wouldn't hurt either.
> > >
> > > AA is for those w/ addictions so strong they can't handle 1 serving of
> > alcohol
> > > without going on a bender (like me and nicotine). There are many problem
> > > drinkers that aren't physically and mentally addicted to alcohol, rather,
> > > they're using booze to self-medicate themselves due to other
physiological
> > > and/or mental issues.
> > >
> >
> > I really, strongly disagree with this description of alcoholism and AA.
> > Well, I disagree with most descriptions of alcoholism, or addiction in
> > general, but I think you would find AA-types would disagree with what you
> > are saying here.
> >
> > The problem with alcoholism is there isn't a great set of defining
> > criteria. Ask one abuse counselor, and they might tell you the key is
> > craving alcohol. Another might say "If you've *ever* had a blackout,
> > you're an alcoholic". A third might describe something close to what you
> > are saying here.
> >
> > One thing's for sure. Go into any AA meeting, you will find a group of
> > people who have had a ton of night where they managed to keep things
> > together and have a beer or two. It's those other nights, the occasional
> > time where one or two led to four or five which led to getting blasted,
> > that are the problem.
> >
> > I know it's kind of a cliche, but if Cinci isn't an alcoholic, why have a
> > beer or two to begin with? In other words, if you suspect you have a
> > problem, why not prove you don't... by never drinking again? There are
> > plenty of alternative ways to have a good time (or, so I hear).
> >
> > Cheers.
>
> You may be right, my opinion is based on personal knowledge of alcoholics
that
> get on the wagon, but are incapable of having 2 beers without needing an
> immediate 3rd, 4th, so on. From what little I know of AA, they strongly
> discourage members from having that "first" drink after quitting. If I'm
wrong,
> and they don't mind certain members drinking socially if they can handle it
> without going on a bender, than I've just learned something new.
Well, somehow we are getting our wires crossed, or something. My
knowledge comes the same way as yours, friends/family that have had
problems.
And I certainly do think AA minds any of their members drinking socially.
But I think the idea is that many alcoholics can go out that and have a
beer without getting drunk and doing stupid shit. That's half the
problem. Because that convinces the alcoholic that he/she *can* drink.
The next time might be fine, and the time after that. Eventually, the
alcoholic lets their guard down, and, like I was saying, that one or two
beers becomes a 12-pack, followed by some shots, followed by a DUI. Then,
back to square one.
You know, the funny thing is that while this is all, as far as I know,
standard AA stuff, I personally think the whole 12-step program thing is a
load of crap, so I'm not sure what I'm arguing about. But, I do think
they (almost accidentally) get a few things right... basically, if
drinking causes major problems in your life, you are better off not
drinking. And, to tell you the truth, if someone comes into a public
forum and says they shouldn't be drinking, I tend to agree with them...
and I am betting there were some "episodes" that were pretty bad for Cincy
to feel that way.
Then again, it ain't none of my business. Off to the bar, for me!
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Date: 15 Dec 22:08:59
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 4:02 PM, KilgoreTrout wrote:
> On Dec 15 2006 4:39 PM, Chris in Texas wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15 2006 2:52 PM, KilgoreTrout wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 15 2006 5:43 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Dec 14 2006 6:50 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 15 Dec 06 0:41:45 GMT, Chris in Texas <43074073@recpoker.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that
> > > > > >> court
> > > > > >> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit
> > > > > >> she
> > > > > >> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now
> are
> > > > > >> my
> > > > > >> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good
> > > thing
> > > > > >> too....
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Finances? They're shot. good times.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk.
> > > > > >Try
> > > > > >having a
> > > > > >couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of
> > > beers
> > > > > >in
> > > > > >the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep
> that's a
> > > > > >good
> > > > > >sign that you can handle it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Good luck, hang in there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Chris
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A visit to a local AA meeting wouldn't hurt either.
> > > >
> > > > AA is for those w/ addictions so strong they can't handle 1 serving of
> > > alcohol
> > > > without going on a bender (like me and nicotine). There are many problem
> > > > drinkers that aren't physically and mentally addicted to alcohol,
> > > > rather,
> > > > they're using booze to self-medicate themselves due to other
> physiological
> > > > and/or mental issues.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I really, strongly disagree with this description of alcoholism and AA.
> > > Well, I disagree with most descriptions of alcoholism, or addiction in
> > > general, but I think you would find AA-types would disagree with what you
> > > are saying here.
> > >
> > > The problem with alcoholism is there isn't a great set of defining
> > > criteria. Ask one abuse counselor, and they might tell you the key is
> > > craving alcohol. Another might say "If you've *ever* had a blackout,
> > > you're an alcoholic". A third might describe something close to what you
> > > are saying here.
> > >
> > > One thing's for sure. Go into any AA meeting, you will find a group of
> > > people who have had a ton of night where they managed to keep things
> > > together and have a beer or two. It's those other nights, the occasional
> > > time where one or two led to four or five which led to getting blasted,
> > > that are the problem.
> > >
> > > I know it's kind of a cliche, but if Cinci isn't an alcoholic, why have a
> > > beer or two to begin with? In other words, if you suspect you have a
> > > problem, why not prove you don't... by never drinking again? There are
> > > plenty of alternative ways to have a good time (or, so I hear).
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> >
> > You may be right, my opinion is based on personal knowledge of alcoholics
> that
> > get on the wagon, but are incapable of having 2 beers without needing an
> > immediate 3rd, 4th, so on. From what little I know of AA, they strongly
> > discourage members from having that "first" drink after quitting. If I'm
> wrong,
> > and they don't mind certain members drinking socially if they can handle it
> > without going on a bender, than I've just learned something new.
>
> Well, somehow we are getting our wires crossed, or something. My
> knowledge comes the same way as yours, friends/family that have had
> problems.
>
> And I certainly do think AA minds any of their members drinking socially.
> But I think the idea is that many alcoholics can go out that and have a
> beer without getting drunk and doing stupid shit. That's half the
> problem. Because that convinces the alcoholic that he/she *can* drink.
> The next time might be fine, and the time after that. Eventually, the
> alcoholic lets their guard down, and, like I was saying, that one or two
> beers becomes a 12-pack, followed by some shots, followed by a DUI. Then,
> back to square one.
>
> You know, the funny thing is that while this is all, as far as I know,
> standard AA stuff, I personally think the whole 12-step program thing is a
> load of crap, so I'm not sure what I'm arguing about. But, I do think
> they (almost accidentally) get a few things right... basically, if
> drinking causes major problems in your life, you are better off not
> drinking. And, to tell you the truth, if someone comes into a public
> forum and says they shouldn't be drinking, I tend to agree with them...
> and I am betting there were some "episodes" that were pretty bad for Cincy
> to feel that way.
>
> Then again, it ain't none of my business. Off to the bar, for me!
>
> Cheers.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 12:10:18
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 5:43 AM, Chris in Texas wrote:
> On Dec 14 2006 6:50 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Dec 06 0:41:45 GMT, Chris in Texas <43074073@recpoker.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> > >
> > >> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> > >> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> > >> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> > >> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good
thing
> > >> too....
> > >>
> > >> Finances? They're shot. good times.
> > >>
> > >> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> > >>
> > >> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
> > >
> > >Get a handle on the drinking, obv, that would be the biggest risk. Try
> > >having a
> > >couple of beers without getting smashed. If you can have a couple of
beers
> > >in
> > >the evening and then stop without drinking until you go to sleep that's a
> > >good
> > >sign that you can handle it.
> > >
> > >Good luck, hang in there.
> > >
> > >Chris
> > >
> >
> > A visit to a local AA meeting wouldn't hurt either.
>
> AA is for those w/ addictions so strong they can't handle 1 serving of
alcohol
> without going on a bender (like me and nicotine). There are many problem
> drinkers that aren't physically and mentally addicted to alcohol, rather,
> they're using booze to self-medicate themselves due to other physiological
> and/or mental issues.
>
> Cincy, from what I know about his posts, seems to be the latter. If he can
> resolve those other issues, and inflict some discipline in his drinking, he
may
> not need to quit completely. AA doesn't cater to problem drinkers that are
> having trouble drinking socially, they are for those unfortunate ones that
can't
> handle even ONE drink without losing control.
>
> I may be wrong, but based on the info so far I don't put Cincy into that
"can't
> handle 1 drink" category.
>
> I know smokers that can not smoke for weeks, and on a given night smoke 2 or
3
> cigarrettes, and not smoke for months. I'm not one of those; same with
> drinkers.
>
> Chris
Chris is right, it's the latter. It's hard to imagine trying to handle my
issues without having the drink to fall back on, though. I don't know if I
want to even try right now.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 19:37:57
From: WuzYoungOnceToo
Subject: Re: OT: My
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pokerchimp wrote:
>
> I'm sure I am only saying this because I don't drink...it doesn't effect
> me well, but I agree. If you're not an alcoholic, why bother even having
> one or two? I guess I just can't relate. I'd rather smoke a bowl than
> have a beer. I think it's healthier anyway.
Because....? The available evidence certainly doesn't back that
conclusion up.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 21:08:36
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: My
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What evidence do you have to present? Ah, that's what I thought, none.
On Dec 16 2006 10:37 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:
> pokerchimp wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure I am only saying this because I don't drink...it doesn't effect
> > me well, but I agree. If you're not an alcoholic, why bother even having
> > one or two? I guess I just can't relate. I'd rather smoke a bowl than
> > have a beer. I think it's healthier anyway.
>
> Because....? The available evidence certainly doesn't back that
> conclusion up.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 21:07:38
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: My
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I think it does.
Cannibus - Negative Effects:
NEGATIVE
Nausea, especially in combination with alcohol, some pharmaceuticals, or
other psychoactives
coughing, asthma, upper respiratory problems
difficulty with short term memory during effects and during periods of
frequent use
racing heart, agitation, feeling tense
mild to severe anxiety
panic attacks at very high doses (usually oral) or in sensitive users
headaches
dizziness, confusion
paranoid & anxious thoughts more frequent
possible psychological dependence on cannabis
"mild" withdrawal symptoms occur after daily use in some users. These may
last for 1-6 weeks after cessation of use and can include anxiety,
anhedonia (reduced experience of pleasure), headaches, general
unease/discomfort, difficulty sleeping, and a desire to smoke pot.
Clumsiness, loss of coordination at high doses
Ok... not the best... but nothing truely dangerous... death isn't anywhere
in there...
Now Alcohol - Negative Effects:
NEGATIVE
decreased coordination
nausea, vomiting (vomiting while unconscious can kill)
reduced impulse control
emotional volatility (anger, violence, sadness, etc)
frequent urination (more with beer or wine), diuretic effect
dizziness and confusion
blackouts and memory loss at high doses
coma and death at extreme doses
brain and liver damage (cirrhosis) with heavy use
lowered inhibitions and increased confusion can lead to unwanted and
negative sexual encounters (date rape)
hangover, lasting 12-36 hours, from mild to severe after heavy use
fetus damage in pregnant women at high dose or frequency
Yeah.... which one's harmless now?
Source: Erowid.org
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non-judgmental information about psychoactive plants and chemicals and
related issues. We work with academic, medical, and experiential experts
to develop and publish new resources, as well as to improve and increase
access to already existing resources. We also strive to ensure that these
resources are maintained and preserved as a historical record for the
future.
On Dec 16 2006 10:37 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:
> pokerchimp wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure I am only saying this because I don't drink...it doesn't effect
> > me well, but I agree. If you're not an alcoholic, why bother even having
> > one or two? I guess I just can't relate. I'd rather smoke a bowl than
> > have a beer. I think it's healthier anyway.
>
> Because....? The available evidence certainly doesn't back that
> conclusion up.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 12:19:07
From: Jimbo
Subject: Re: OT: My
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Chris in Texas wrote:
>>
> I know smokers that can not smoke for weeks, and on a given night smoke 2 or 3
> cigarrettes, and not smoke for months. I'm not one of those; same with
> drinkers.
>
> Chris
There are not very many who can do that. I know from experience that I
am one of very few who can control alchohol or nicotine. I might smoke
one cigar a month on average and I have a humidor packed full of
delectable beauties. I was also able to give up drinking and
cigarettes cold turkey. Just wish I could do the same for ice cream
and other sweets.
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Date: 16 Dec 22:06:28
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 16 2006 2:19 PM, Jimbo wrote:
> Chris in Texas wrote:
> >>
> > I know smokers that can not smoke for weeks, and on a given night smoke 2 or
> > 3
> > cigarrettes, and not smoke for months. I'm not one of those; same with
> > drinkers.
> >
> > Chris
>
> There are not very many who can do that. I know from experience that I
> am one of very few who can control alchohol or nicotine. I might smoke
> one cigar a month on average and I have a humidor packed full of
> delectable beauties. I was also able to give up drinking and
> cigarettes cold turkey. Just wish I could do the same for ice cream
> and other sweets.
You know the funny thing? When I was younger I did have *many* friends that
could smoke cigarettes on a given weekend, and then not smoke for months after
that. But a few of them have since become addicted smokers like myself.
As much as I like alchohol (mainly beer), I do not have the same problem as I do
with cigarettes.
One thing I am grateful for is for some reason my cravings are such that I no
longer smoke during the day. I used to have my first cig on the drive in to
work, now, on workdays at least, I don't have my first one until after 5ish,
sometimes later. On weekends I tend to get lazy and will smoke earlier. I
don't know why my cravings changed this way but I like it.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: OT: My
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Once you hit bottom it's all +EV......... Good priorities, best of luck -
smoking, drugs and drinking is serious -EV for a single Dad.
You should check out the local Parent Without Partners Org. Good support group
plus the easiest sex you will get since High School / College!!!!!!!!
On Dec 14 2006 3:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
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From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep going
until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 02:21:31
From: Von Fourche
Subject: Re: OT: My
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"Gary Carson" <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu > wrote in message
news:1166151530$922034@recpoker.com...
>
>
> Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
> going
> until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
The thoughts of people with severe depression?
Once you hit bottom there is no place to go but up. What doesn't kill
you only makes you stronger.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 1:21 AM, Von Fourche wrote:
> "Gary Carson" wrote in message
> news:1166151530$922034@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> > Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
> > going
> > until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
>
>
> The thoughts of people with severe depression?
>
> Once you hit bottom there is no place to go but up. What doesn't kill
> you only makes you stronger.
Where do you think bottom is? Because I promise you, whereever you think it is,
somebody got lower.
People think that "bottom" is defined by their own history, and it's the low
spot they reached. That might be, but there were places to go other than up,
they just didn't get lower.
The research that I've seen suggests that people with severe depression are
better at recognizing reality than those who aren't depressed. Being depressed
is more rational than not being depressed. It's not fun, but it's more
rational.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:21:22
From: MarlaSinger
Subject: Re: OT: My
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People always find their keys in the last place they look for them.
When people recover from hitting their bottom, it was the bottom they hit.
On Dec 15 2006 3:26 AM, Gary Carson wrote:
> Where do you think bottom is? Because I promise you, whereever you think it
is,
> somebody got lower.
>
> People think that "bottom" is defined by their own history, and it's the low
> spot they reached. That might be, but there were places to go other than up,
> they just didn't get lower.
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 15 Dec 22:30:27
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 4:21 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
> People always find their keys in the last place they look for them.
>
> When people recover from hitting their bottom, it was the bottom they hit.
>
Disagree. Could have been a ledge that they "thought" was bottom, only to
recover then relapse and get into worse shit. I've sadly seen that too many
times.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 17:30:48
From: MarlaSinger
Subject: Re: OT: My
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My point is that when people who recover from whatever addiction they were
succumbing to look back, they see a specific point as their 'bottom'.
The phrase can't be taken as anyone's actual 'bottom'. I mean all the
people who have ever existed who've hit bottom could have had it worse.
On Dec 15 2006 6:30 PM, Chris in Texas wrote:
> On Dec 15 2006 4:21 PM, MarlaSinger wrote:
>
> > People always find their keys in the last place they look for them.
> >
> > When people recover from hitting their bottom, it was the bottom they hit.
> >
>
> Disagree. Could have been a ledge that they "thought" was bottom, only to
> recover then relapse and get into worse shit. I've sadly seen that too many
> times.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 8:58 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
> On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> >
> > Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
>
> Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep going
> until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
>
>
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com
Poetic, but again total bullshit.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 09:55:46
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: OT: My
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"Porsche_Dan" <43080932@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1166157696$922066@recpoker.com...
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 8:58 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
>>
>> Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
>> going
>> until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
>>
>>
>> Gary Carson
>> http://www.garycarson.com
>
> Poetic, but again total bullshit.
What's bullshit about it? Life is unscripted and if you think things are
bad, they can ALWAYS get a whole helluva lot worse.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:32:43
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 10:55 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
> "Porsche_Dan" <43080932@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> news:1166157696$922066@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> > On Dec 14 2006 8:58 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
> >>
> >> Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
> >> going
> >> until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary Carson
> >> http://www.garycarson.com
> >
> > Poetic, but again total bullshit.
>
>
>
> What's bullshit about it? Life is unscripted and if you think things are
> bad, they can ALWAYS get a whole helluva lot worse.
ALWAYS
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Date: 15 Dec 21:25:59
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 9:55 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
> "Porsche_Dan" <43080932@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> news:1166157696$922066@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> > On Dec 14 2006 8:58 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
> >>
> >> Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
> >> going
> >> until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary Carson
> >> http://www.garycarson.com/
> >
> > Poetic, but again total bullshit.
>
>
>
> What's bullshit about it? Life is unscripted and if you think things are
> bad, they can ALWAYS get a whole helluva lot worse.
Reminds me of a joke I picked up somewhere. A nature-loving kinda guy takes a
long walk one fine afternoon through a large, wooded park. He comes across
another dude hugging a tree with his cheek right up against it. He asks the
tree-hugger what's he doing, and the tree-hugger explains that he's listening to
the song of the tree's soul and should try it. So he hugs the tree, and the
other guy quickly handcuffs him in that position, strips him naked and makes off
with his keys, wallet, etc.
About an hour later another nature lover comes across the poor guy handcuffed to
the tree and asks what happened. The guy explains how he ended up like that,
and the new arrival kisses him on the cheek and says, "This just ain't your day,
sweetie".
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Date: 15 Dec 15:06:56
From: Max Coin
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 8:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 8:58 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
>
> > On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
> >
> > Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep going
> > until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
> >
> >
> > Gary Carson
> > http://www.garycarson.com
>
> Poetic, but again total bullshit.
>
Why?
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:15:54
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Fri, 15 Dec 06 2:58:50 GMT, Gary Carson
<garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu > wrote:
>
>
>
>On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
>
>Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep going
>until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
>
>
>Gary Carson
>http://www.garycarson.com
>
An excellent explanaion of the difference between a Conservative and a
Liberal.
A Liberal looks to the Gummint to raise people up.
A Conservative looks to the the individual to raise himself up.
'Nuff said
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 22:40:48
From:
Subject: Re: OT: My
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Don't wait.
ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Dec 14 2006 9:15 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Dec 06 2:58:50 GMT, Gary Carson
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
> > >
> > >Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep going
> > >until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
> > >
> > >
> > >Gary Carson
> > >http://www.garycarson.com
> > >
> >
> > An excellent explanaion of the difference between a Conservative and a
> > Liberal.
> >
> > A Liberal looks to the Gummint to raise people up.
> >
> > A Conservative looks to the the individual to raise himself up.
> >
> > 'Nuff said
>
> Yes, seriously, 'nuff said. As in, don't say anything more, please. Really, it's
> for your own good.
>
> I'm still trying to figure out how you managed to warp Gary's statement into one
> of the most braindead generalizations ever to blight this newsgroup.
>
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Date: 15 Dec
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 9:15 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 06 2:58:50 GMT, Gary Carson
> wrote:
>
> >
> >On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
> >
> >Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep going
> >until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
> >
> >
> >Gary Carson
> >http://www.garycarson.com
> >
>
> An excellent explanaion of the difference between a Conservative and a
> Liberal.
>
> A Liberal looks to the Gummint to raise people up.
>
> A Conservative looks to the the individual to raise himself up.
>
> 'Nuff said
Yes, seriously, 'nuff said. As in, don't say anything more, please. Really, it's
for your own good.
I'm still trying to figure out how you managed to warp Gary's statement into one
of the most braindead generalizations ever to blight this newsgroup.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 19:41:33
From: Bill T
Subject: Re: OT: My
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FL Turbo wrote: >>
>
> An excellent explanaion of the difference between a Conservative and a
> Liberal.
>
> A Liberal looks to the Gummint to raise people up.
>
> A Conservative looks to the the individual to raise himself up.
>
> 'Nuff said
What sanctimonious (and cliched) bullshit!
When you are at the bottom, you look to yourself, friends,
acquaintances, strangers, and the Gummint. You look everywhere.
You don't know that you are at the bottom until you are well out of it.
And even then, you don't know whether it was a local or a global minimax.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 09:52:37
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: OT: My
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"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:8n44o2158hf20cp2vi5limin6f8u94vel3@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Dec 06 2:58:50 GMT, Gary Carson
> <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
>>
>>Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
>>going
>>until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
>>
>>
>>Gary Carson
>>http://www.garycarson.com
>>
>
> An excellent explanaion of the difference between a Conservative and a
> Liberal.
>
> A Liberal looks to the Gummint to raise people up.
>
> A Conservative looks to the the individual to raise himself up.
>
> 'Nuff said
Oh my. Francis, that is the weakest thing I've seen from you in a long
time. The tired conservative rhetoric is bad enough, but to use it in a way
that doesn't even come close to illustrating a point in the post or being a
commentary on Gary's comment is bad form.
Not that I can blame you. The Republican collapse seems to have left you
and your fellow wing-nuts (said with affection) with little else to do other
than inject platitudes in places where they do not belong.
This is one of those nice little in-between stages of American politics,
just after a Republican implosion and just before the even more spectacular
Democratic failure to capitalize on said implosion where Democrats are
riding high.
But I digress.
What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest in
'08. He's a moderate Senator from a populous state, Harvard Law grad (and
firs black president of the Harvard Law Review), and seems to have
leadership/personality skills that are not divisive like Hillary.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:35:05
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 9:52 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
> What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
> undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest in
> '08.
Any chance you saw the start of the ESPN Monday Night game this week?
They had Obama doing this big thing like he was getting ready to announce
a run for office. It was actually pretty funny and cool that he'd do that.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 11:36:33
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: OT: My
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"Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrewed1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:peva54xd8k.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 15 2006 9:52 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
>>
>> What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
>> undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest
>> in
>> '08.
>
> Any chance you saw the start of the ESPN Monday Night game this week?
> They had Obama doing this big thing like he was getting ready to announce
> a run for office. It was actually pretty funny and cool that he'd do
> that.
I did see it and the fact he did that signals to me he's in the mix with
serious intentions.
He seems to have all the credentials and no baggage. Negatives appear to be
he's young and I'm not sure what foreign policy experience he has, so he
might be weak there.
Is the country ready for a black President? It's gonna get interesting.
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Date: 15 Dec 21:20:46
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 11:36 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
> "Raider Fan" wrote in message
> news:peva54xd8k.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Dec 15 2006 9:52 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
> >> undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest
> >> in
> >> '08.
> >
> > Any chance you saw the start of the ESPN Monday Night game this week?
> > They had Obama doing this big thing like he was getting ready to announce
> > a run for office. It was actually pretty funny and cool that he'd do
> > that.
>
>
>
> I did see it and the fact he did that signals to me he's in the mix with
> serious intentions.
>
> He seems to have all the credentials and no baggage. Negatives appear to be
> he's young and I'm not sure what foreign policy experience he has, so he
> might be weak there.
>
> Is the country ready for a black President? It's gonna get interesting.
If McCain doesn't run, I'm gonna have a hard time finding a Republican I'd
rather vote for against Obama, and I think this crossover appeal is his edge
over Hillary.
He did have some drug use he's admitted to in regards to a reckless youth, I
don't see that as baggage but others might. His openness about it will help put
any trouble about it to rest, IMO.
I'd like to see Obama and Virslilck or whatever his name is (Midwest Dem
Governor). Hillary on the ticket is a deal killer for me.
Chris
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 18:59:53
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:52:37 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
<jhankins5@cox.net[no spam] > wrote:
>
>"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com> wrote in message
>news:8n44o2158hf20cp2vi5limin6f8u94vel3@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 06 2:58:50 GMT, Gary Carson
>> <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
>>>
>>>Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
>>>going
>>>until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
>>>
>>>
>>>Gary Carson
>>>http://www.garycarson.com
>>>
>>
>> An excellent explanaion of the difference between a Conservative and a
>> Liberal.
>>
>> A Liberal looks to the Gummint to raise people up.
>>
>> A Conservative looks to the the individual to raise himself up.
>>
>> 'Nuff said
>
>Oh my. Francis, that is the weakest thing I've seen from you in a long
>time. The tired conservative rhetoric is bad enough, but to use it in a way
>that doesn't even come close to illustrating a point in the post or being a
>commentary on Gary's comment is bad form.
>
You ain't buying it, eh?
Yeah, I'm not surprised.
It was pretty weak.
>Not that I can blame you. The Republican collapse seems to have left you
>and your fellow wing-nuts (said with affection) with little else to do other
>than inject platitudes in places where they do not belong.
>
Those of us in the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) hit bottom a few
days after the election.
No whining and whimpering about disenfranchised voters, Diebold fraud,
or some other phony issue.
It's all +EV from now on, Baby.
Conservatives always have a positive mental outlook, unlike Liberals,
who are always in the depths of depression about some damn thing or
the other.
(Says he as he spins like a big, fat, old ballerina.)
>This is one of those nice little in-between stages of American politics,
>just after a Republican implosion and just before the even more spectacular
>Democratic failure to capitalize on said implosion where Democrats are
>riding high.
>
>But I digress.
>
>What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
>undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest in
>'08. He's a moderate Senator from a populous state, Harvard Law grad (and
>firs black president of the Harvard Law Review), and seems to have
>leadership/personality skills that are not divisive like Hillary.
>
Well, he is indeed a very welcome change from a certain horse faced
Senator, and a certain other ex-candidate pimping a film telling us
that we will either fry or drown.
And then there's Dennis Kucinich.
I just luv this picture of Dennis and his young bride.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/061213/photos_ts_afp/70b8f73536c942b9e2bf5db277da543a
I can visualize the cartoon bubble over her head.
"OMFG!! What have I gotten myself into?"
But I digress.
As far as moderate, Barack Hussein Obama only looks that way in
comparison to the Moonbat Left faction of the Demo party.
His voting record paints a big "L" for liberal on his forehead.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
He will now have to undergo the scrutiny of the Media, not to mention
the scrutiny of Hillary and all the VRWC.
We do have news of one big mistake that he made so far.
Thinking that the cameras and microphones were off, he told NY Times
columnist Maureen Dowd that he was putting her on notice that he did
not appreciate people talking about his big ears.
Heh.
Hehe.
BWAHAHAHA.
Whatever you do, do not mention his big ears.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 12:40:52
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: OT: My
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"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
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> You ain't buying it, eh?
>
> Yeah, I'm not surprised.
> It was pretty weak.
10 lashes for you!
> Those of us in the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) hit bottom a few
> days after the election.
>
> No whining and whimpering about disenfranchised voters, Diebold fraud,
> or some other phony issue.
>
> It's all +EV from now on, Baby.
>
> Conservatives always have a positive mental outlook, unlike Liberals,
> who are always in the depths of depression about some damn thing or
> the other.
>
> (Says he as he spins like a big, fat, old ballerina.)
That particular stereotypical characterization is a powerful one (liberal
handwringing) and has some truth to it, I think. That's what makes Obama
worth watching. He seems to proceed with that conservative confidence, a
big smile, and little of the liberal whining.
>>This is one of those nice little in-between stages of American politics,
>>just after a Republican implosion and just before the even more
>>spectacular
>>Democratic failure to capitalize on said implosion where Democrats are
>>riding high.
>>
>>But I digress.
>>
>>What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
>>undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest in
>>'08. He's a moderate Senator from a populous state, Harvard Law grad (and
>>firs black president of the Harvard Law Review), and seems to have
>>leadership/personality skills that are not divisive like Hillary.
> Well, he is indeed a very welcome change from a certain horse faced
> Senator, and a certain other ex-candidate pimping a film telling us
> that we will either fry or drown.
>
> And then there's Dennis Kucinich.
> I just luv this picture of Dennis and his young bride.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/061213/photos_ts_afp/70b8f73536c942b9e2bf5db277da543a
>
> I can visualize the cartoon bubble over her head.
> "OMFG!! What have I gotten myself into?"
That's kind of my point about Obama. The guy is a spark of light so
different from the tired old faces of Gore, Kerry, and Kucinich (??? someone
please tell him he has no chance. someone?)
> But I digress.
>
> As far as moderate, Barack Hussein Obama only looks that way in
> comparison to the Moonbat Left faction of the Demo party.
> His voting record paints a big "L" for liberal on his forehead.
> (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
>
> He will now have to undergo the scrutiny of the Media, not to mention
> the scrutiny of Hillary and all the VRWC.
>
> We do have news of one big mistake that he made so far.
>
> Thinking that the cameras and microphones were off, he told NY Times
> columnist Maureen Dowd that he was putting her on notice that he did
> not appreciate people talking about his big ears.
>
> Heh.
> Hehe.
>
> BWAHAHAHA.
>
> Whatever you do, do not mention his big ears.
See? If that's the worst thing that comes up it's almost too good to be
true.
The Democratic Party is my metaphorical abusive spouse. It dangles Obama
out there and tells me, "See? This time it will be better. I promise." I
believe it and I'm happy and optimistic. Right up until I turn around and
catch an overhand right in the chops with, "Well, Obama was good, but we're
going with [Hillary, Kucinich, Kerry, Gore, etc.]."
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Date: 16 Dec 21:54:48
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 15 2006 6:59 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:52:37 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"FL Turbo" wrote in message
> >news:8n44o2158hf20cp2vi5limin6f8u94vel3@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 15 Dec 06 2:58:50 GMT, Gary Carson
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
> >>>
> >>>Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
> >>>going
> >>>until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Gary Carson
> >>>http://www.garycarson.com/
> >>>
> >>
> >> An excellent explanaion of the difference between a Conservative and a
> >> Liberal.
> >>
> >> A Liberal looks to the Gummint to raise people up.
> >>
> >> A Conservative looks to the the individual to raise himself up.
> >>
> >> 'Nuff said
> >
>
> >Oh my. Francis, that is the weakest thing I've seen from you in a long
> >time. The tired conservative rhetoric is bad enough, but to use it in a way
> >that doesn't even come close to illustrating a point in the post or being a
> >commentary on Gary's comment is bad form.
> >
>
> You ain't buying it, eh?
>
> Yeah, I'm not surprised.
> It was pretty weak.
>
> >Not that I can blame you. The Republican collapse seems to have left you
> >and your fellow wing-nuts (said with affection) with little else to do other
> >than inject platitudes in places where they do not belong.
> >
>
> Those of us in the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) hit bottom a few
> days after the election.
>
> No whining and whimpering about disenfranchised voters, Diebold fraud,
> or some other phony issue.
>
> It's all +EV from now on, Baby.
>
> Conservatives always have a positive mental outlook, unlike Liberals,
> who are always in the depths of depression about some damn thing or
> the other.
>
> (Says he as he spins like a big, fat, old ballerina.)
>
> >This is one of those nice little in-between stages of American politics,
> >just after a Republican implosion and just before the even more spectacular
> >Democratic failure to capitalize on said implosion where Democrats are
> >riding high.
> >
> >But I digress.
> >
> >What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
> >undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest in
> >'08. He's a moderate Senator from a populous state, Harvard Law grad (and
> >firs black president of the Harvard Law Review), and seems to have
> >leadership/personality skills that are not divisive like Hillary.
> >
>
> Well, he is indeed a very welcome change from a certain horse faced
> Senator, and a certain other ex-candidate pimping a film telling us
> that we will either fry or drown.
>
> And then there's Dennis Kucinich.
> I just luv this picture of Dennis and his young bride.
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/061213/photos_ts_afp/70b8f73536c942b
> 9e2bf5db277da543a
>
> I can visualize the cartoon bubble over her head.
> "OMFG!! What have I gotten myself into?"
>
> But I digress.
>
> As far as moderate, Barack Hussein Obama only looks that way in
> comparison to the Moonbat Left faction of the Demo party.
> His voting record paints a big "L" for liberal on his forehead.
> (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
>
> He will now have to undergo the scrutiny of the Media, not to mention
> the scrutiny of Hillary and all the VRWC.
>
> We do have news of one big mistake that he made so far.
>
> Thinking that the cameras and microphones were off, he told NY Times
> columnist Maureen Dowd that he was putting her on notice that he did
> not appreciate people talking about his big ears.
>
> Heh.
> Hehe.
>
> BWAHAHAHA.
>
> Whatever you do, do not mention his big ears.
Damn, that pic of Kucinich and his wife reminds me of that photo spread those
Raelins did in Playboy not too long ago.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 12:42:09
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: OT: My
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<snip >
> What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
> undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest in
> '08. He's a moderate Senator from a populous state, Harvard Law grad (and
> firs black president of the Harvard Law Review), and seems to have
> leadership/personality skills that are not divisive like Hillary.
http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-My-Father-Story-Inheritance/dp/1400082773/sr=1-2/qid=1166215096/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-4459978-5744062?ie=UTF8&s=books
why don't you morons actually read the guy's ideas instead of taking
everything the liberal media heaves as gospel? he's a "moderate" lefty if
and only if you're an illiterate boob.
mo_charles
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 16:24:21
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: OT: My
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On Dec 14 2006 7:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV......... Good priorities, best of luck -
> smoking, drugs and drinking is serious -EV for a single Dad.
>
> You should check out the local Parent Without Partners Org. Good support
group
> plus the easiest sex you will get since High School / College!!!!!!!!
Good lookin' out, Dan!
> On Dec 14 2006 3:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> > My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> > room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> > didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> > son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> > too....
> >
> > Finances? They're shot. good times.
> >
> > Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
> >
> > I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 16:19:35
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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Raider Fan wrote:
> On Dec 15 2006 4:01 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
> >
> > I am standing pat with my dream ticket of Clinton/Obama in 2008, >
> >
> > William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
> Oh my god. I'm in agreement, strong agreement even, with Coleman. That's
> what I get for not having beer in the house for three weeks.
Do you say that because you would actually vote for a Clinton/Obama
ticket, or because you think that would be an easy ticket for the
Republicans to defeat?
If the former, welcome to the Light. If the latter, be careful what
you ask for.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 15:31:45
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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On Dec 15 2006 6:19 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
> Do you say that because you would actually vote for a Clinton/Obama
> ticket, or because you think that would be an easy ticket for the
> Republicans to defeat?
>
I would definitely vote for them.
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 19:50:08
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:31:45 -0800, "Raider Fan"
<raidersgotscrewed1@hotmail.com > wrote:
>On Dec 15 2006 6:19 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>> Do you say that because you would actually vote for a Clinton/Obama
>> ticket, or because you think that would be an easy ticket for the
>> Republicans to defeat?
>I would definitely vote for them.
I don't know if America is ready for a black President but I suspect it isn't
ready for one whose last name rhymes with "Osama" and whose middle
name is "Hussein."
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:46:02
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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OrangeSFO wrote:
> Ahhh yes, George Will.
>
> The guy who STOLE a Carter campaign strategy manual in advance of the
> presidential debate while working for the Reagan campaign, then wrote
> glowingly in the Wash. Post of Reagan's debate performance while
> failing to mention who he worked for.
>
> What a pompous fraud.
Not to mention his recent column on the Bush/Webb dustup, where he
criticized Webb for being uncivil, while failing to mention that Webb
addressed Bush as "Mr. President" twice. Not to mention that Will
redacted Bush's snippy "That's not what I asked you."
I previously stated that I thought Will was a rare example of an honest
conservative talking head. I retract that remark.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:37:03
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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Ahhh yes, George Will.
The guy who STOLE a Carter campaign strategy manual in advance of the
presidential debate while working for the Reagan campaign, then wrote
glowingly in the Wash. Post of Reagan's debate performance while
failing to mention who he worked for.
What a pompous fraud.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:01:27
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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mo_charles wrote:
> > > why don't you morons actually read the guy's ideas instead of taking
> > > everything the liberal media heaves as gospel? he's a "moderate" lefty if
> > > and only if you're an illiterate boob.
> >
> > So George Will is part of the "liberal media" now? My, how times have
> > changed...
>
> george will didn't recommend him for president, and he didn't disagree
> with my characterization of his policy stances:
>
> "
> In 2005, the liberal Americans for Democratic Action and the
> AFL-CIO rated his voting record a perfect 100. The non-partisan
> National Journal gave him an 82.5 liberalism rating, making him more
> liberal than Clinton (79.. He dutifully decries "ideological"
> politics, but just as dutifully conforms to most of liberalism's
> catechism, from "universal" health care, whatever that might mean, to
> combating global warming, whatever that might involve, and including
> the sacred injunction Thou Shalt Execrate Wal-Mart -- an obligatory
> genuflection to organized labor.
> "
>
> the media's absolutely creaming itself over this guy,
Yeah, by pointing out that he dresses the same way as the President of
Iran, by pointing out that his middle name is Hussein while showing him
split screen with Saddam, and by pointing out that Obama sounds like
Osama while showing him split screen with OBL. Not to mention that
"liberal" NYT columnist Maureen Dowd has made fun of his big ears.
He's a real media darling, all right.
> and i'd guess
> they're about as informed of his political views as you and james hankins.
> how is it i know more about this stuff than the democrats already lining
> up to vote for him?
Because you live in Illinois? And what is this about Democrats lining
up to vote for him? Last poll of Democrats I saw had Hillary at 38%
and Obama at 18%.
I am standing pat with my dream ticket of Clinton/Obama in 2008, which
I have been advocating on this newsgroup since May 27, 2005. Although
Hillary is starting to get on my nerves. She and Lieberman are pushing
a bill to curb violence in video games. Yeah, violence in video games
is a real pressing issue at this time. And she, like all Democratic
Senators, should be shunning Lieberman for enabling and continuing to
support Bush's failed war. Not to mention his showing complete
contempt for the Democratic voters of Connecticut by refusing to accept
their rejection of him as their Senatorial nominee.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:32:11
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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Chris in Texas wrote:
> On Dec 15 2006 4:01 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I am standing pat with my dream ticket of Clinton/Obama in 2008, which
> > I have been advocating on this newsgroup since May 27, 2005. Although
> > Hillary is starting to get on my nerves. She and Lieberman are pushing
> > a bill to curb violence in video games. Yeah, violence in video games
> > is a real pressing issue at this time. And she, like all Democratic
> > Senators, should be shunning Lieberman for enabling and continuing to
> > support Bush's failed war. Not to mention his showing complete
> > contempt for the Democratic voters of Connecticut by refusing to accept
> > their rejection of him as their Senatorial nominee.
> >
>
> You mean the same Democratic voters that failed to reject him as an
> independant?
Huh? WTF are you talking about? Joementum was elected by Republicans
and Independents. Connecticut Democrats voted overwhelmingly for Ned
Lamont, the Democratic nominee.
> Hmm, shunning Lieberman in a tight Senate wouldn't be very smart,
Actually, it would be quite smart. The guy is big buddies with Sean
Hannity, for Christ's sake.
> I'm surprised he hasn't already told the Dems to fuck off.
I wish he would. As it is, he will be constantly using that implied
threat to get his way.
What would really be funny would be if a Republican Senator, like Smith
from Oregon, switched parties. Hopefully Reid would then have the
balls to remove Joementum as Chairman of the Homeland Security and
Governmental Affairs Committee. This committee has primary
responsibility for investigating the executive branch. I am sure
Lieberman, who is a bootlicker and lackey of the Bush Crime Family,
will do a thorough job of investigating Bush and Cheney.
> anyway, we missed you in Popinjay's "god" related threads.
Oh, I was there. Didn't you know Paul and I are the same person? At
least that's what eleacticus and Porsche Dan say.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:08:10
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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On Dec 15 2006 4:01 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
> I am standing pat with my dream ticket of Clinton/Obama in 2008, >
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
Oh my god. I'm in agreement, strong agreement even, with Coleman. That's
what I get for not having beer in the house for three weeks.
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Date: 15 Dec 22:07:08
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: OT: My Obama (to the tune of My Sharona)
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On Dec 15 2006 4:01 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
> I am standing pat with my dream ticket of Clinton/Obama in 2008, which
> I have been advocating on this newsgroup since May 27, 2005. Although
> Hillary is starting to get on my nerves. She and Lieberman are pushing
> a bill to curb violence in video games. Yeah, violence in video games
> is a real pressing issue at this time. And she, like all Democratic
> Senators, should be shunning Lieberman for enabling and continuing to
> support Bush's failed war. Not to mention his showing complete
> contempt for the Democratic voters of Connecticut by refusing to accept
> their rejection of him as their Senatorial nominee.
>
You mean the same Democratic voters that failed to reject him as an
independant? Hmm, shunning Lieberman in a tight Senate wouldn't be very smart,
I'm surprised he hasn't already told the Dems to fuck off.
anyway, we missed you in Popinjay's "god" related threads.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 12:50:45
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: OT: My
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James L. Hankins wrote:
> "bo dark" <tx1456@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166213243.574066.229790@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > James L. Hankins wrote:
> >> "FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com> wrote in message
> >> news:8n44o2158hf20cp2vi5limin6f8u94vel3@4ax.com...
> >> > On Fri, 15 Dec 06 2:58:50 GMT, Gary Carson
> >> > <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Dec 14 2006 6:17 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Once you hit bottom it's all +EV...
> >> >>
> >> >>Once you hit bottom you discover that it's bottomless and if you keep
> >> >>going
> >> >>until you hit bottom it'll be a long, long trip.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Gary Carson
> >> >>http://www.garycarson.com
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > An excellent explanaion of the difference between a Conservative and a
> >> > Liberal.
> >> >
> >> > A Liberal looks to the Gummint to raise people up.
> >> >
> >> > A Conservative looks to the the individual to raise himself up.
> >> >
> >> > 'Nuff said
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Oh my. Francis, that is the weakest thing I've seen from you in a long
> >> time. The tired conservative rhetoric is bad enough, but to use it in a
> >> way
> >> that doesn't even come close to illustrating a point in the post or being
> >> a
> >> commentary on Gary's comment is bad form.
> >>
> >> Not that I can blame you. The Republican collapse seems to have left you
> >> and your fellow wing-nuts (said with affection) with little else to do
> >> other
> >> than inject platitudes in places where they do not belong.
> >>
> >> This is one of those nice little in-between stages of American politics,
> >> just after a Republican implosion and just before the even more
> >> spectacular
> >> Democratic failure to capitalize on said implosion where Democrats are
> >> riding high.
> >>
> >> But I digress.
> >>
> >> What say ye of Barack Obama? He's a breath of fresh air and I sense an
> >> undercurrent of swelling popular support for the Senator that may crest
> >> in
> >> '08. He's a moderate Senator from a populous state, Harvard Law grad
> >> (and
> >> firs black president of the Harvard Law Review), and seems to have
> >> leadership/personality skills that are not divisive like Hillary.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To ignore Obama's ethnicity is to pretend there isn't an elephant
> > standing in the room. His Muslim father was a Kenyan economist, his
> > mother a white midwesterner who later lived on welfare while studying
> > for her PhD. They met in Hawaii but his father, also named Barack, left
> > when his son was two after receiving a scholarship to study at Harvard
> > University. Apart from four years living in Indonesia as a boy - his
> > mother remarried and moved there with her new husband - Obama was
> > raised by his maternal grandparents in Hawaii.
> >
> > He is, then, very comfortable around - as he likes to say in his
> > barbershop parlance - white folks; he is not burdened by the ghetto
> > angst that laces the angry lyrics of African-American rappers, nor is
> > he one to see racism lurking behind every corner, like Al Sharpton or
> > Jesse Jackson.
> >
> >
> >
> > amazing that a man with a white mother raised by his white grandparents
> > could be black.he's kind of like the supposed black man who was the
> > surveyor who surveyed washington d.c. that tony brown of tony brown's
> > journal always brings up,whose grandmother was white and who educated
> > him.
> >
> > then we have charles barkley assigning blackness to tiger woods when
> > tiger has never said that he was black,guess racist charles sees tiger
> > as who he wants him to be and the arguement betwwen asians and blacks
> > as to which half if tiger is playing golf,the top or the bottom.
> >
> > if obama was a republican he would already have the "house nigger"
> > designation,just ask the steele guy in maryland.
>
>
>
> That's because uptight conservatives don't like black people. :))
>
> Race will be a very divisive issue as it always is but I just get the sense
> that Obama may be able to overcome it.
>
> Personally, I think Colin Powell would make a better President than Obama,
> but he missed the boat and his place in history by not running last time.
> Put Powell up against Bush and Kerry and it's a no-brainer for me. It may
> be too late for him. The piece by George Will was spot on about one
> thing---you have to reach out and grab what you want in life. Looks like
> Obama is going to do that.
neither do uptight liberals,they live in segregated neighborhoods in
the suburbs too,but they do talk the talk.
i'm not sure who will play the race card more,but i'm sure they both
will,were talking politics.bet there's a bomb out there somewhere
waiting to be detonated when the election day gets closer,if it goes
off whomever sets it off will be accused of racism.
wonder what the chances are of a white man being prime minister of
zimbabwe are in the near future?race,it's always a factor in
everything,just look at america's neigborhoods.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:57:03
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: OT: My "redo" starts now
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CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
Good luck man! I have 4 older brothers 3 of which have been married
and got divorced at least once 2 of them twice now all to women who
cheated. I know its rough, though I have never been married myself.
It will be hard with your ex still in the picture, but just try and
stay true to your child.
Seriously my thoughts are with you man.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:41:57
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: OT: My "redo" starts now
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CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
Good luck man! I have 4 older brothers 3 of which have been married
and got divorced at least once 2 of them twice now all to women who
cheated. I know its rough, though I have never been married myself.
It will be hard with your ex still in the picture, but just try and
stay true to your child.
Seriously my thoughts are with you man.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:49:11
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: OT: My "redo" starts now
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On Dec 15 2006 10:41 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>
> Good luck man!
You can say that again.... and again... and again.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 07:39:34
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: OT: My "redo" starts now
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CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
Good luck man! I have 4 older brothers 3 of which have been married
and got divorced at least once 2 of them twice now all to women who
cheated. I know its rough, though I have never been married myself.
It will be hard with your ex still in the picture, but just try and
stay true to your child.
Seriously my thoughts are with you man.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 07:38:21
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: OT: My "redo" starts now
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CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
Good luck man! I have 4 older brothers 3 of which have been married
and got divorced at least once 2 of them twice now all to women who
cheated. I know its rough, though I have never been married myself.
It will be hard with your ex still in the picture, but just try and
stay true to your child.
Seriously my thoughts are with you man.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 13:15:00
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: OT: My "redo" starts now
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On Dec 14 2006 5:48 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> My divorce is final. What a strange feeling it was sitting in that court
> room having your ex mother in law testify against you about shit she
> didn't even have a clue about. Kinda sickening. My priorities now are my
> son and myself. Maybe getting the drinking in order would be a good thing
> too....
>
> Finances? They're shot. good times.
>
> Hell, it can only get better. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
>
> I'm gonna take this redo and run with it.
So what is the problem, you got what you wanted...
Do you really think that your child is going to be seriously disadvantaged
because you left? You say you have financial problems, drinking problems,
and probably a gambling problem. With any luck your ex-wife will find
somebody that has it together. I don't see anything to be depressed about.
Over 50% of America is divorced! You are in the majority. Go live it up!
Throw caution to the wind and live your life to the fullest! There are
literally thousands of shallow and equally selfish bimbo sperm sponges out
there waiting for you...
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