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Date: 28 Nov 2006 07:12:13
From: Will_gamble
Subject: OT: Michael Vick


What a moron.

Jim Mora was right... a coach killer.

Employees get fired for blogs and this moron gives everybody the double
barrel 'FU' on national television and will probably be fined the
equivalent of $20 to the average fan.

I saw that half hearted, GED attempt at an apology. Pathetic. Why won't
people like the ESPN MNF crew talk about the gesture and false apology?
Instead, they just sweep it under the rug. Just when I thought some
progress was being made in bringing 'professional' back to professional
sports.

I know it is probably not apples to apples, but Michael Richards is still
making news and Michael Vick is Otay.

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Date: 28 Nov 2006 10:27:27
From: Wayno
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


On Nov 28 2006 9:12 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> What a moron.
>
> Jim Mora was right... a coach killer.
>
> Employees get fired for blogs and this moron gives everybody the--


I never see this mentioned-- ever-- but it usually is the case that
these guys are giving ONE guy the finger, and maybe his buddy or two.
Maybe this is a distinction without a difference, but the media always
writes it up like,"he gave all the fans the finger". This would be a
quantitatively bigger and gigantically more jumbo gesture involving a very
slow, graduated twirl whose purpose was to shine out on the whole stadium.

Just mentioning this in the interest of media fairness and accuracy.
Okay. Carry on.


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Date: 28 Nov 2006 13:13:08
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


On Nov 28 2006 12:27 PM, Wayno wrote:

>
> I never see this mentioned-- ever-- but it usually is the case that
> these guys are giving ONE guy the finger, and maybe his buddy or two.
> Maybe this is a distinction without a difference, but the media always
> writes it up like,"he gave all the fans the finger". This would be a
> quantitatively bigger and gigantically more jumbo gesture involving a very
> slow, graduated twirl whose purpose was to shine out on the whole stadium.
>
> Just mentioning this in the interest of media fairness and accuracy.
> Okay. Carry on.
>

Exactly. Think Stone Cold Steve Austin. Now THAT was giving all the fans
the finger.

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Date: 28 Nov 2006 15:05:45
From: Wayno
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


On Nov 28 2006 3:13 PM, Raider Fan wrote:


> Exactly. Think Stone Cold Steve Austin. Now THAT was giving all the fans
> the finger.

True that. But the fact is, you can't fill hours and hours of sports
talk radio with a heated discussion of this subject if the story is
written:
"One guy and his buddy harrassed Vick near the tunnel as he was leaving
and Vick shot them the Duo-Finger."
It's much more of a story everybody can argue about if Vick is giving
the finger to all the fans, the whole stadium, the city of Atlanta, and
the state of Georgia, rather than one or two yo-yo's. Not that Vick
himself isn't a yo-yo. I don't know, maybe he is, I don't know the guy.

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Date: 28 Nov 16:08:09
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick



Vick giving someone the finger isnt a coach killing move, btw.

The WR group are the coach killers right now.


And no comparing Michael Richards to Vick isn't even close to apples to apples.

Calling someone a n----r vs flipping a group of people off??? seriously come
back to reality


On Nov 28 2006 10:12 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> What a moron.
>
> Jim Mora was right... a coach killer.
>
> Employees get fired for blogs and this moron gives everybody the double
> barrel 'FU' on national television and will probably be fined the
> equivalent of $20 to the average fan.
>
> I saw that half hearted, GED attempt at an apology. Pathetic. Why won't
> people like the ESPN MNF crew talk about the gesture and false apology?
> Instead, they just sweep it under the rug. Just when I thought some
> progress was being made in bringing 'professional' back to professional
> sports.
>
> I know it is probably not apples to apples, but Michael Richards is still
> making news and Michael Vick is Otay.
>
> Pitiful



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 16:15:20
From: Al Gore's Dead Cat
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


"freakinfoldalready" <43085980@recpoker.com > wrote in message
> Calling someone a n----r vs flipping a group of people off??? seriously
> come
> back to reality

Vick is admired and looked up to by young people. What he did was
inexcusable. He showed his true colors with that gesture.




   
Date: 28 Nov 16:34:41
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick





On Nov 28 2006 10:15 AM, Al Gore's Dead Cat wrote:

> "freakinfoldalready" <43085980@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> > Calling someone a n----r vs flipping a group of people off??? seriously
> > come
> > back to reality
>
> Vick is admired and looked up to by young people. What he did was
> inexcusable. He showed his true colors with that gesture.

I think his true color has been pretty clear since about the time of his birth. 
Maybe before that.


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Date: 28 Nov 16:19:56
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick



and those true colors are?

Have you ever givensomeone the finger? did that show your true colors?
if so what are they


On Nov 28 2006 11:15 AM, Al Gore's Dead Cat wrote:

> "freakinfoldalready" <43085980@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> > Calling someone a n----r vs flipping a group of people off??? seriously
> > come
> > back to reality
>
> Vick is admired and looked up to by young people. What he did was
> inexcusable. He showed his true colors with that gesture.



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 10:37:57
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


On Nov 28 2006 10:19 AM, freakinfoldalready wrote:

> and those true colors are?
>
> Have you ever givensomeone the finger? did that show your true colors?
> if so what are they
>
>

A so called professional athlete and public figure makings millions a year
should be held to a higher standard. Not to mention that he is at work.
Try giving the finger to your customers at work in front of your boss when
they complain about your work. What will happen to you?

Pay me 5 million a year and boo me and I will smile at you all the way to
the bank.

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Date: 28 Nov 19:24:21
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick




hmm, what about everytime  a celebrity gives the finger to the papperazi for
heckling them? should they be labeled thugs as well?  Like i said, it wasn't
right BUT it doesnt make him a thug.

Ray Lewis anyone?

On Nov 28 2006 1:37 PM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Nov 28 2006 10:19 AM, freakinfoldalready wrote:
>
> > and those true colors are?
> >
> > Have you ever givensomeone the finger? did that show your true colors?
> > if so what are they
> >
> >
>
> A so called professional athlete and public figure makings millions a year
> should be held to a higher standard. Not to mention that he is at work.
> Try giving the finger to your customers at work in front of your boss when
> they complain about your work. What will happen to you?
>
> Pay me 5 million a year and boo me and I will smile at you all the way to
> the bank.



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 16:20:18
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick



"freakinfoldalready" <43085980@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1164741861$912419@recpoker.com...
>
>
> hmm, what about everytime a celebrity gives the finger to the papperazi
> for
> heckling them? should they be labeled thugs as well? Like i said, it
> wasn't
> right BUT it doesnt make him a thug.


Apples and Oranges. The celebrities aren't "at work" around the people who
pay to watch them perform when it happens. They're flipping off blood
sucking assholes who make their living leeching off of the celebrites fame.

Next.

Rick "DaVoice" Charles




      
Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:30:44
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


On Nov 28 2006 1:24 PM, freakinfoldalready wrote:

> hmm, what about everytime  a celebrity gives the finger to the papperazi for
> heckling them? should they be labeled thugs as well?  Like i said, it wasn't
> right BUT it doesnt make him a thug.
>

"hmm"

You should have stopped there.

You would have to be more specific concerning the celebrity you cite.
Where and in what setting? The Oscars or outside a club?

I never labled him a thug.

I said he was highly unprofessional and suggested he should be fired just
like anyone else.

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Date: 28 Nov 20:42:08
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick



and in circles we go, i didnt say you called him a thug, the OP did.  Flipping
someone off isnt thuggish, immature surely but he isnt gonna be making a jump to
gang banger any time soon


On Nov 28 2006 3:30 PM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Nov 28 2006 1:24 PM, freakinfoldalready wrote:
>
> > hmm, what about everytime  a celebrity gives the finger to the papperazi for
> > heckling them? should they be labeled thugs as well?  Like i said, it wasn't
> > right BUT it doesnt make him a thug.
> >
>
> "hmm"
>
> You should have stopped there.
>
> You would have to be more specific concerning the celebrity you cite.
> Where and in what setting? The Oscars or outside a club?
>
> I never labled him a thug.
>
> I said he was highly unprofessional and suggested he should be fired just
> like anyone else.



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:54:54
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


On Nov 28 2006 2:42 PM, freakinfoldalready wrote:

> and in circles we go, i didnt say you called him a thug, the OP did. 
Flipping
> someone off isnt thuggish, immature surely but he isnt gonna be making a
jump to
> gang banger any time soon
>
>

You are the one that is dizzy from going in circles. I am the OP and I
never called him a thug. Get your facts straight.

I guess you think that it is right for ESPN to cover up or hush Michael
Irvin saying that Tony Romo must have black ancestors to be so talented.
Pretty much the same thing that Jimmy the Greek got fired for saying.

What if someone said that Kiki Barber must have white ancestors because he
is smart. That would get them fired pretty quickly, especially if they
were white.

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Date: 28 Nov 21:15:33
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick



i apologize, it was the first responder that i was refering to.

I didnt hear what Irvin said about Romo but it really wouldnt surprise me, he is
about a sharp as a bowling bowl and constantly sticks his foot in his mouth.


On Nov 28 2006 3:54 PM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Nov 28 2006 2:42 PM, freakinfoldalready wrote:
>
> > and in circles we go, i didnt say you called him a thug, the OP did. 
> Flipping
> > someone off isnt thuggish, immature surely but he isnt gonna be making a
> jump to
> > gang banger any time soon
> >
> >
>
> You are the one that is dizzy from going in circles. I am the OP and I
> never called him a thug. Get your facts straight.
>
> I guess you think that it is right for ESPN to cover up or hush Michael
> Irvin saying that Tony Romo must have black ancestors to be so talented.
> Pretty much the same thing that Jimmy the Greek got fired for saying.
>
> What if someone said that Kiki Barber must have white ancestors because he
> is smart. That would get them fired pretty quickly, especially if they
> were white.



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 16:18:14
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick



"freakinfoldalready" <43085980@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1164730796$912321@recpoker.com...
>
> and those true colors are?
>
> Have you ever givensomeone the finger? did that show your true colors?
> if so what are they

I've given MANY people the finger, but not any of my fans (and yes I had a
large fan base in radio). I would never do it in that type of situation, no
matter how frustrated I was. That was a low class, dumbass move, and he'll
pay the NFL AND he'll lose money in merchandising. He fucked himself.

And the worst part was it was after a game that he ran for 166 yards.

Rick "DaVoice" Charles




 
Date: 28 Nov 2006 15:50:34
From: Al Gore's Dead Cat
Subject: Re: Michael Vick


"Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com > wrote in message
> I saw that half hearted, GED attempt at an apology. Pathetic. Why won't
> people like the ESPN MNF crew talk about the gesture and false apology?
> Instead, they just sweep it under the rug. Just when I thought some
> progress was being made in bringing 'professional' back to professional
> sports.
>
> I know it is probably not apples to apples, but Michael Richards is still
> making news and Michael Vick is Otay.

Vick is an ESPN darling. I don't like Dan Sileo that much, but he made a
good point on his show this morning when he said Vick is great for any team
that wants to sell popcorn, hot dogs, jerseys, and even tickets, but that he
is not a quarterback that will ever take you to a Super Bowl. Style over
substance.

We already know Vick's younger brother is a thug. Older brother Michael
proved where Marcus learned it from.




  
Date: 28 Nov 2006 11:02:20
From: PMJackson21
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



freakinfoldalready wrote:

>
> I think you will be hard pressed to find anything that supports your claim of MV
> being a thug
>

Ron Mexico??? Maybe not proof of being a thug, but infecting someone
with herpes knowingly pretty much makes you a bad human being.

Patrick



   
Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:19:13
From: PMJackson21
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



il Lupo wrote:

> Heh, that's right, forgot about that. Ron Mexico. That cracks me up (except
> for the whole infecting another human being thing...douche).
>
> Enough about Ronnie...you catch the game Sunday?
>
>
>
> jbaci85 at yahoo dot com

OMG yes. Nolan is a moron for not going for it on that 4th and less
then a yard inside the Rams 10. They rammed the ball down the throat
of the Rams D that whole drive (Larry Allen and Jonas Jennings head
butting each other, all fired up lol), then you take your foot off
their throat and kick the FG.

At home I can see that being a better decision, since their D plays
better at home and they would have the crowd on their side. At STL
however, with a depleted secondary and facing a Rams team that,
although not 'The Greatest Show on Turf' anymore, still knows how to
move the ball down the field in a hurry, I thought it was bad coaching.
That and the 'prevent-like' defense they employed on the
drive.....asdfkl;fjasklfjaskl;jdfkl;ajs;kldfjaskl;qweio;.

Patrick



    
Date: 28 Nov 2006 13:02:23
From: PMJackson21
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



il Lupo wrote:
>
> Getting Walt's strip and TD taken away didn't help either. I was pretty pissed
> after the game...Good sign. It means they're getting better.
>

Agreed. Tilted me before Lee even had a chance to on Sunday.

I don't see how they had enough visual evidence to overturn the Harris
fumble recoverey/TD. And you are right, the 3rd and long play at the
beginning of the drive was key. At least make them convert a 4th and
7, not a 4th and inches.

7-9 looks about right. Lose their 3 road games, and beat Arz
and...Miami I want to say...at home.

Patrick



     
Date: 28 Nov 2006 13:20:51
From: PMJackson21
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



il Lupo wrote:
> That's exactly what I would like to know. To overrule a call on the field it
> has to be definitive...that (and the Battle TD at the end of the half vs
> Seattle) were conclusive? Really?

Yeah exactly. Neither seemed to be definitive, the STL one just ended
up hurting us.

> Green Bay and Arz are their home games. Have you made it to any games?

That's right, GB. I knew it was a winnable game. No, I had the GB
tickets originally, then someone wanted to switch for the Minnesota
game, so I did. I then gave the Vikings tickets away lol.

> 7-9 sounds right...good draft, a couple good free agent signings and they should
> be in the playoffs? Playoffs?

Yeah...def need WR help...and secondary.

> jbaci85 at yahoo dot com
>

Patrick



     
Date: 28 Nov 21:13:17
From: il Lupo
Subject: Re: Michael Vick





On Nov 28 2006 4:02 PM, PMJackson21 wrote:

> Agreed. Tilted me before Lee even had a chance to on Sunday.
>
> I don't see how they had enough visual evidence to overturn the Harris
> fumble recoverey/TD. And you are right, the 3rd and long play at the
> beginning of the drive was key. At least make them convert a 4th and
> 7, not a 4th and inches.
>
> 7-9 looks about right. Lose their 3 road games, and beat Arz
> and...Miami I want to say...at home.
>
> Patrick

That's exactly what I would like to know.  To overrule a call on the field it
has to be definitive...that (and the Battle TD at the end of the half vs
Seattle) were conclusive? Really?

Green Bay and Arz are their home games.  Have you made it to any games?

7-9 sounds right...good draft, a couple good free agent signings and they should
be in the playoffs?  Playoffs?

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Date: 28 Nov 20:41:37
From: il Lupo
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



A buddy was over to watch the game and he says..."you have to go for it".  I
told him Nolan will kick the field goal, that's his mentality.  Rest is
history.  For all the good things he's doing, the one thing Nolan has to do is
trust him team in certain situations.  All Smith has to do is take the snap,
fall down and it's a first down.  They have three cracks from the 4 yard line,
and an opportunity to take more time off the clock.  Last week...same thing. 
You're dominating the game.  17-0, 20-0...same thing.  24-0 and Seattle stays in
the locker room for the second half.  When you show confidence in your team to
make those plays you lift them up, while at the same time deflating the other
side...hopefully we see him trust the team more.

They didn't really run a prevent.  First down sack, then that dump pass that
Ulbrich missed the tackle on really hurt.  They could have brought more pressure
since their standard 4-man rush isn't very effective, but sometimes the other
team makes plays.

Getting Walt's strip and TD taken away didn't help either.  I was pretty pissed
after the game...Good sign.  It means they're getting better.

On Nov 28 2006 3:19 PM, PMJackson21 wrote:

> il Lupo wrote:
>
> > Heh, that's right, forgot about that. Ron Mexico. That cracks me up
> > (except
> > for the whole infecting another human being thing...douche).
> >
> > Enough about Ronnie...you catch the game Sunday?
> >
> >
> >
> > jbaci85 at yahoo dot com
>
> OMG yes. Nolan is a moron for not going for it on that 4th and less
> then a yard inside the Rams 10. They rammed the ball down the throat
> of the Rams D that whole drive (Larry Allen and Jonas Jennings head
> butting each other, all fired up lol), then you take your foot off
> their throat and kick the FG.
>
> At home I can see that being a better decision, since their D plays
> better at home and they would have the crowd on their side. At STL
> however, with a depleted secondary and facing a Rams team that,
> although not 'The Greatest Show on Turf' anymore, still knows how to
> move the ball down the field in a hurry, I thought it was bad coaching.
> That and the 'prevent-like' defense they employed on the
> drive.....asdfkl;fjasklfjaskl;jdfkl;ajs;kldfjaskl;qweio;.
>
> Patrick
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Date: 28 Nov 19:55:02
From: il Lupo
Subject: Re: Michael Vick





On Nov 28 2006 2:02 PM, PMJackson21 wrote:

> Ron Mexico??? Maybe not proof of being a thug, but infecting someone
> with herpes knowingly pretty much makes you a bad human being.
>
> Patrick

Heh, that's right, forgot about that.  Ron Mexico.  That cracks me up (except
for the whole infecting another human being thing...douche).

Enough about Ronnie...you catch the game Sunday?



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 11:35:43
From: PMJackson21
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



freakinfoldalready wrote:
> now did she really get herpes or is it speculation?
>
> also, since Herpes is about as common place as HPV is in women, make sure you
> have asked each girl you sleep with if they have it.
>
> Never have I heard it a law that you need to disclose anything of the sort
> before sleeping with someone, pretty much the risk you take for being a sinner
> and havin premarital sex :)
>

He settled the lawsuit, which although not a sure sign of guilt,
obviously makes you think that the allegations were true. He had
herpes and had been treated for it (under aliases like 'Ron Mexico')
prior to his relationship with the accuser, so I would say that her
case had a great deal of merit to it.

I don't know if you are required by law to tell someone you have a STD
before having sex with them, but it would obviously be the _right_
thing to do. I seem to recall people being charged with crimes for
knowingly infecting people with HIV, but I'm not sure if the laws those
people were prosecuted under include other STDs.

Anyway, I didn't say he was a criminal (although I think it should be
made criminal), I said he was a bad human being.

Patrick



    
Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:32:01
From: PMJackson21
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



freakinfoldalready wrote:
> that you did say BUT the question was "....find something to support your claim
> that he is THUG.." ANd no you dont haev to tell people you have an STD before
> sex, not even HIV- they were sued in civil courts i believe, not criminal court.
>
>

Sorry, but you are wrong there. Here's one example:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=44574

Patrick



     
Date: 28 Nov 20:40:46
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



ok, i stand corrected but DELIBERATLEY infecting people with HIV is a little
different than HPV or Herpes or the Clap


On Nov 28 2006 3:32 PM, PMJackson21 wrote:

> freakinfoldalready wrote:
> > that you did say BUT the question was "....find something to support your
> > claim
> > that he is THUG.." ANd no you dont haev to tell people you have an STD
> > before
> > sex, not even HIV- they were sued in civil courts i believe, not criminal
> > court.
> >
> >
>
> Sorry, but you are wrong there. Here's one example:
>
> http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=44574
>
> Patrick



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Date: 28 Nov 20:23:00
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



that you did say BUT the question was "....find something to support your claim
that he is  THUG.."   ANd no you dont haev to tell people you have an STD before
sex, not even HIV- they were sued in civil courts i believe, not criminal court.


On Nov 28 2006 2:35 PM, PMJackson21 wrote:

> freakinfoldalready wrote:
> > now did she really get herpes or is it speculation?
> >
> > also, since Herpes is about as common place as HPV is in women, make sure
> > you
> > have asked each girl you sleep with if they have it.
> >
> > Never have I heard it a law that you need to disclose anything of the sort
> > before sleeping with someone, pretty much the risk you take for being a
> > sinner
> > and havin premarital sex :)
> >
>
> He settled the lawsuit, which although not a sure sign of guilt,
> obviously makes you think that the allegations were true. He had
> herpes and had been treated for it (under aliases like 'Ron Mexico')
> prior to his relationship with the accuser, so I would say that her
> case had a great deal of merit to it.
>
> I don't know if you are required by law to tell someone you have a STD
> before having sex with them, but it would obviously be the _right_
> thing to do. I seem to recall people being charged with crimes for
> knowingly infecting people with HIV, but I'm not sure if the laws those
> people were prosecuted under include other STDs.
>
> Anyway, I didn't say he was a criminal (although I think it should be
> made criminal), I said he was a bad human being.
>
> Patrick



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Date: 28 Nov 19:22:39
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: Michael Vick




now did she really get herpes or is it speculation?

also, since Herpes is about as common place as HPV is in women, make sure you
have asked each girl you sleep with if they have it.

Never have I heard it a law that you need to disclose anything of the sort
before sleeping with someone, pretty much the risk you take for being a sinner
and havin premarital sex :)

On Nov 28 2006 2:02 PM, PMJackson21 wrote:

> freakinfoldalready wrote:
>
> >
> > I think you will be hard pressed to find anything that supports your claim
> > of MV
> > being a thug
> >
>
> Ron Mexico??? Maybe not proof of being a thug, but infecting someone
> with herpes knowingly pretty much makes you a bad human being.
>
> Patrick



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:09:12
From: atticus
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



freakinfoldalready wrote:
> Wow, now that is a jump isn't it. Have you never given someone the finger
> before? Wasnt a smart thing to do at all but to make the leap from someone that
> lost their cool to "thug" is a little much dont ya think?
>
> BtW, hard for Vick to take the team to the big show when their 3 first round
> draft pick WRs drop balls that hit them in their hands.
>
> Sure Vick sells tickets, no doubt. Just like Reggie Bush- what has he done
> lately?
>
> I think you will be hard pressed to find anything that supports your claim of MV
> being a thug

i dont care about the thug part... but i do know michael vick is the
most over-rated player in pro sports, hands down.

atticus



   
Date: 28 Nov 16:19:02
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



really? how so?

He is an incredible athlete, 24-9 at home in his career.  A playmaker aswell.
Hard time developing when the team doesnt develop around you.



On Nov 28 2006 11:09 AM, atticus wrote:

> freakinfoldalready wrote:
> > Wow, now that is a jump isn't it. Have you never given someone the finger
> > before? Wasnt a smart thing to do at all but to make the leap from someone
> > that
> > lost their cool to "thug" is a little much dont ya think?
> >
> > BtW, hard for Vick to take the team to the big show when their 3 first round
> > draft pick WRs drop balls that hit them in their hands.
> >
> > Sure Vick sells tickets, no doubt. Just like Reggie Bush- what has he done
> > lately?
> >
> > I think you will be hard pressed to find anything that supports your claim
> > of MV
> > being a thug
>
> i dont care about the thug part... but i do know michael vick is the
> most over-rated player in pro sports, hands down.
>
> atticus



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:09:20
From: atticus
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



freakinfoldalready wrote:
> really? how so?
>
> He is an incredible athlete, 24-9 at home in his career. A playmaker aswell.
> Hard time developing when the team doesnt develop around you.

because he cant pass, he cant read a defense and he is a very marginal
quarterback if you want to win playoff games. he will never win
anything of significance as long as he plays QB.

furthermore, although it is hypothetical, he would also be marginal at
QB with any team because he just doesnt have NFL QB skills.

combine that with all the idiots drooling over him when he came out of
the NCAA Penitentiary, aka Va Tech, that makes him over-rated.

having a bunch of losers like Leslie Lelie at receiver just makes him
look slightly more inept than he really is.

atticus



    
Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:25:57
From: PMJackson21
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



freakinfoldalready wrote:
> VT as the NCAA penitentiary? Please explain that one, just exactly who went to
> jail from there?
>
> perhaps you mean MIA or Nebraska?
>

Lawrence Phillips doesn't put us on the level of Miami sir. :-)
Nebraska is known for it's class as a football program, not for
recuiting violations and getting in brawls at mid-field.

Patrick



     
Date: 28 Nov 20:39:30
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



sure but I can't find anyone from VT that killed anyone or went to jail..Miami
will always have Ray Lewis


On Nov 28 2006 3:25 PM, PMJackson21 wrote:

> freakinfoldalready wrote:
> > VT as the NCAA penitentiary? Please explain that one, just exactly who went
> > to
> > jail from there?
> >
> > perhaps you mean MIA or Nebraska?
> >
>
> Lawrence Phillips doesn't put us on the level of Miami sir. :-)
> Nebraska is known for it's class as a football program, not for
> recuiting violations and getting in brawls at mid-field.
>
> Patrick



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Date: 28 Nov 20:21:22
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



VT as the NCAA penitentiary?  Please explain that one, just exactly who went to
jail from there?

perhaps you mean MIA or Nebraska?

On Nov 28 2006 3:09 PM, atticus wrote:

> freakinfoldalready wrote:
> > really? how so?
> >
> > He is an incredible athlete, 24-9 at home in his career. A playmaker
> > aswell.
> > Hard time developing when the team doesnt develop around you.
>
> because he cant pass, he cant read a defense and he is a very marginal
> quarterback if you want to win playoff games. he will never win
> anything of significance as long as he plays QB.
>
> furthermore, although it is hypothetical, he would also be marginal at
> QB with any team because he just doesnt have NFL QB skills.
>
> combine that with all the idiots drooling over him when he came out of
> the NCAA Penitentiary, aka Va Tech, that makes him over-rated.
>
> having a bunch of losers like Leslie Lelie at receiver just makes him
> look slightly more inept than he really is.
>
> atticus



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Date: 28 Nov 16:05:56
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



Wow, now that is a jump isn't it.  Have you never given someone the finger
before?  Wasnt a smart thing to do at all but to make the leap from someone that
lost their cool to "thug" is a little much dont ya think?

BtW, hard for Vick to take the team to the big show when their 3 first round
draft pick WRs drop balls that hit them in their hands.

Sure Vick sells tickets, no doubt.  Just like Reggie Bush- what has he done
lately?

I think you will be hard pressed to find anything that supports your claim of MV
being a thug

On Nov 28 2006 10:50 AM, Al Gore's Dead Cat wrote:

> "Will_gamble" wrote in message
> > I saw that half hearted, GED attempt at an apology. Pathetic. Why won't
> > people like the ESPN MNF crew talk about the gesture and false apology?
> > Instead, they just sweep it under the rug. Just when I thought some
> > progress was being made in bringing 'professional' back to professional
> > sports.
> >
> > I know it is probably not apples to apples, but Michael Richards is still
> > making news and Michael Vick is Otay.
>
> Vick is an ESPN darling. I don't like Dan Sileo that much, but he made a
> good point on his show this morning when he said Vick is great for any team
> that wants to sell popcorn, hot dogs, jerseys, and even tickets, but that he
> is not a quarterback that will ever take you to a Super Bowl. Style over
> substance.
>
> We already know Vick's younger brother is a thug. Older brother Michael
> proved where Marcus learned it from.



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:25:00
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Michael Vick


On Nov 28 2006 10:05 AM, freakinfoldalready wrote:

> Wow, now that is a jump isn't it.  Have you never given someone the finger
> before? 

You can't be that thick. Have you ever made 10 million before?

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Date: 28 Nov 16:48:22
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



even more illogical! What the hell does that haev to do with anything?

To say someone is a thug bc they flipped someone off is ridiculous!  Why not
label anyone with an A/B charge as a serial killer too!!

Get a grip, he gave someone the finger- bad thing PR wise but hardly initiates
him into the Crips

On Nov 28 2006 11:25 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Nov 28 2006 10:05 AM, freakinfoldalready wrote:
>
> > Wow, now that is a jump isn't it.  Have you never given someone the finger
> > before? 
>
> You can't be that thick. Have you ever made 10 million before?



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:44:42
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Michael Vick


Maybe Jesse Jackson could fly in and help him with his apology. Assuming
he's finished with Krammer.

Irish Mike


"freakinfoldalready" <43085980@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1164732502$912343@recpoker.com...
>
> even more illogical! What the hell does that haev to do with anything?
>
> To say someone is a thug bc they flipped someone off is ridiculous! Why
> not
> label anyone with an A/B charge as a serial killer too!!
>
> Get a grip, he gave someone the finger- bad thing PR wise but hardly
> initiates
> him into the Crips
>
> On Nov 28 2006 11:25 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
>
>> On Nov 28 2006 10:05 AM, freakinfoldalready wrote:
>>
>> > Wow, now that is a jump isn't it. Have you never given someone the
>> > finger
>> > before?
>>
>> You can't be that thick. Have you ever made 10 million before?
>
>
>
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 16:10:13
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Michael Vick



"freakinfoldalready" <43085980@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1164729956$912306@recpoker.com...
>
> Wow, now that is a jump isn't it. Have you never given someone the finger
> before? Wasnt a smart thing to do at all but to make the leap from someone
> that
> lost their cool to "thug" is a little much dont ya think?
>
> BtW, hard for Vick to take the team to the big show when their 3 first
> round
> draft pick WRs drop balls that hit them in their hands.
>
> Sure Vick sells tickets, no doubt. Just like Reggie Bush- what has he done
> lately?

It shouldn't be "hard" for Michael Vick to NOT flip off his fans. The fans
pay his salary, buy his merchandise, etc. Mike Vick is a seasoned Veteran,
you can't compare him to a rookie (Reggie Bush), who as far as I know hasn't
flipped any fans off, especially in front of the cameras.

ESPN is so insistent on having a black QB be rated the best in the league
that they fired Rush Limbaugh, or have we forgotten that? Rush wasn't being
racist in the least, he was stating a FACT. ESPN WANTS a Black QB to be the
#1 in the league, they also have an agenda for black ownership in the
league. Don't you people listen to their commentary?

Next, let me say that I'm certainly no racist, and I'm glad to see that
there are now more Black head coaches (that deserve to be there) in the
league. There are also more and more black asst. coaches and coordinators.
Considering that blacks are not the minority in the NFL that is a great
thing for the black players, however the leauge has stressed SOCIAL
ENGINEERING to get where they have so far. I think it should be the best
man for the job, whether they're black, white, yellow, purple or fucking
polka-dotted.

I'm all for black ownership in the NFL too, the "old boy network" is a hard
club to break into. These teams are mostly family owned legacy driven
companies where there are no blacks in the family tree. Sad , but true.

Rick "DaVoice" Charles




 
Date: 28 Nov 21:02:02
From: il Lupo
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


Vick, as a player, has never had to be accountable to anyone, especially his
coaches.  If you looked at the organizational structure it would probably go
Owner-Vick-Coach.

He's there to sell tickets, etc and be a PR machine.  The goal was to for him to
be the face of both the team and NFL.  He loves the notoriety and of course the
money that goes along with that, but not the responsibility.  Unfortunately,
what you have is an immature, egotistical super-athlete who is below average at
the most prestigious, hyped and analyzed position in team sports.  His coaches
can't rein him in because they don't have the power.  He has plenty of talent
around him, but he falls short in the two most important areas of QB
play--passing and game management. 

Vick was assigned a leadership position but is clearly not a leader.  This most
recent incident and the Ron Mexico exploits clearly show that.

On Nov 28 2006 10:12 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> What a moron.
>
> Jim Mora was right... a coach killer.
>
> Employees get fired for blogs and this moron gives everybody the double
> barrel 'FU' on national television and will probably be fined the
> equivalent of $20 to the average fan.
>
> I saw that half hearted, GED attempt at an apology. Pathetic. Why won't
> people like the ESPN MNF crew talk about the gesture and false apology?
> Instead, they just sweep it under the rug. Just when I thought some
> progress was being made in bringing 'professional' back to professional
> sports.
>
> I know it is probably not apples to apples, but Michael Richards is still
> making news and Michael Vick is Otay.
>
> Pitiful
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Date: 28 Nov 21:17:38
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick



just curious in regards to the Ron Mexico thing, if you had the gift that kept
on giving would you tell everyone you were about to sleep with?

what if you were a celebrity, would you still?


On Nov 28 2006 4:02 PM, il Lupo wrote:

> Vick, as a player, has never had to be accountable to anyone, especially his
> coaches.  If you looked at the organizational structure it would probably go
> Owner-Vick-Coach.
>
> He's there to sell tickets, etc and be a PR machine.  The goal was to for him
> to
> be the face of both the team and NFL.  He loves the notoriety and of course
> the
> money that goes along with that, but not the responsibility.  Unfortunately,
> what you have is an immature, egotistical super-athlete who is below average
> at
> the most prestigious, hyped and analyzed position in team sports.  His coaches
> can't rein him in because they don't have the power.  He has plenty of talent
> around him, but he falls short in the two most important areas of QB
> play--passing and game management. 
>
> Vick was assigned a leadership position but is clearly not a leader.  This
> most
> recent incident and the Ron Mexico exploits clearly show that.
>
> On Nov 28 2006 10:12 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
>
> > What a moron.
> >
> > Jim Mora was right... a coach killer.
> >
> > Employees get fired for blogs and this moron gives everybody the double
> > barrel 'FU' on national television and will probably be fined the
> > equivalent of $20 to the average fan.
> >
> > I saw that half hearted, GED attempt at an apology. Pathetic. Why won't
> > people like the ESPN MNF crew talk about the gesture and false apology?
> > Instead, they just sweep it under the rug. Just when I thought some
> > progress was being made in bringing 'professional' back to professional
> > sports.
> >
> > I know it is probably not apples to apples, but Michael Richards is still
> > making news and Michael Vick is Otay.
> >
> > Pitiful
> jbaci85 at yahoo dot com
>
>
>



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Date: 28 Nov 21:31:49
From: il Lupo
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


Yeah, mostly because I'm not a douche.

On Nov 28 2006 4:17 PM, freakinfoldalready wrote:

>
> just curious in regards to the Ron Mexico thing, if you had the gift that kept
> on giving would you tell everyone you were about to sleep with?
>
> what if you were a celebrity, would you still?
>
>
> On Nov 28 2006 4:02 PM, il Lupo wrote:
>
> > Vick, as a player, has never had to be accountable to anyone, especially his
> > coaches.  If you looked at the organizational structure it would probably go
> > Owner-Vick-Coach.
> >
> > He's there to sell tickets, etc and be a PR machine.  The goal was to for
> > him
> > to
> > be the face of both the team and NFL.  He loves the notoriety and of course
> > the
> > money that goes along with that, but not the responsibility.  Unfortunately,
> > what you have is an immature, egotistical super-athlete who is below average
> > at
> > the most prestigious, hyped and analyzed position in team sports.  His
> > coaches
> > can't rein him in because they don't have the power.  He has plenty of
> > talent
> > around him, but he falls short in the two most important areas of QB
> > play--passing and game management. 
> >
> > Vick was assigned a leadership position but is clearly not a leader.  This
> > most
> > recent incident and the Ron Mexico exploits clearly show that.
> >
> > On Nov 28 2006 10:12 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
> >
> > > What a moron.
> > >
> > > Jim Mora was right... a coach killer.
> > >
> > > Employees get fired for blogs and this moron gives everybody the double
> > > barrel 'FU' on national television and will probably be fined the
> > > equivalent of $20 to the average fan.
> > >
> > > I saw that half hearted, GED attempt at an apology. Pathetic. Why won't
> > > people like the ESPN MNF crew talk about the gesture and false apology?
> > > Instead, they just sweep it under the rug. Just when I thought some
> > > progress was being made in bringing 'professional' back to professional
> > > sports.
> > >
> > > I know it is probably not apples to apples, but Michael Richards is still
> > > making news and Michael Vick is Otay.
> > >
> > > Pitiful
> > jbaci85 at yahoo dot com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: 28 Nov 21:40:36
From: freakinfoldalready
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick



well i hope that is true, somehow i doubt if you had HPV, which if you are a
sexually active person between the ages of 20-50, you very well might have and
not know it.

since several STDs are asymptomatic you should get yourself checked bc you never
know.

I get tested frequently, especially when i am single.

On Nov 28 2006 4:31 PM, il Lupo wrote:

> Yeah, mostly because I'm not a douche.
>
> On Nov 28 2006 4:17 PM, freakinfoldalready wrote:
>
> >
> > just curious in regards to the Ron Mexico thing, if you had the gift that
> > kept
> > on giving would you tell everyone you were about to sleep with?
> >
> > what if you were a celebrity, would you still?
> >
> >
> > On Nov 28 2006 4:02 PM, il Lupo wrote:
> >
> > > Vick, as a player, has never had to be accountable to anyone, especially
> > > his
> > > coaches.  If you looked at the organizational structure it would probably
> > > go
> > > Owner-Vick-Coach.
> > >
> > > He's there to sell tickets, etc and be a PR machine.  The goal was to for
> > > him
> > > to
> > > be the face of both the team and NFL.  He loves the notoriety and of
> > > course
> > > the
> > > money that goes along with that, but not the responsibility. 
> > > Unfortunately,
> > > what you have is an immature, egotistical super-athlete who is below
> > > average
> > > at
> > > the most prestigious, hyped and analyzed position in team sports.  His
> > > coaches
> > > can't rein him in because they don't have the power.  He has plenty of
> > > talent
> > > around him, but he falls short in the two most important areas of QB
> > > play--passing and game management. 
> > >
> > > Vick was assigned a leadership position but is clearly not a leader.  This
> > > most
> > > recent incident and the Ron Mexico exploits clearly show that.
> > >
> > > On Nov 28 2006 10:12 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
> > >
> > > > What a moron.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Mora was right... a coach killer.
> > > >
> > > > Employees get fired for blogs and this moron gives everybody the double
> > > > barrel 'FU' on national television and will probably be fined the
> > > > equivalent of $20 to the average fan.
> > > >
> > > > I saw that half hearted, GED attempt at an apology. Pathetic. Why won't
> > > > people like the ESPN MNF crew talk about the gesture and false apology?
> > > > Instead, they just sweep it under the rug. Just when I thought some
> > > > progress was being made in bringing 'professional' back to professional
> > > > sports.
> > > >
> > > > I know it is probably not apples to apples, but Michael Richards is
> > > > still
> > > > making news and Michael Vick is Otay.
> > > >
> > > > Pitiful
> > > jbaci85 at yahoo dot com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> jbaci85 at yahoo dot com
>
>
>



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Date: 28 Nov 2006 13:27:48
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: OT: Michael Vick


On Nov 28 2006 3:17 PM, freakinfoldalready wrote:

> just curious in regards to the Ron Mexico thing, if you had the gift that
kept
> on giving would you tell everyone you were about to sleep with?
>
> what if you were a celebrity, would you still?
>
>

Especially if I were a celebrity AND they would be signing something.

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