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Date: 28 Nov
From: CrudBurst
Subject: OT: MNF Announcers
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So who should be voted off of the island? Kornheiser? Theisman? Tirico? All,
some or none of the above?
I think Tirico has been surprisingly smooth with the play-by-play stuff, but
Theisman and Kornheiser have as good a rapport with each other as did Michael
Moore and old GM CEO Roger Smith. Theisman would put the "I" in "ego" if ego
were spelled with an I. Kornheiser is much funnier in print and on PTI w/Wilbon
than in the MNF booth. So, I'm not sure if the problem is Kornheiser himself,
or just the lack of a reciprocating foil in Theisman.
I won't even bother brining up the guest cameo crap they do every week. The
Hindenburg had a more graceful landing than the schlock dished out to viewers
during those segments.
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 20:31:19
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Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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The best person they ever had on one of those broadcasts was Charles
Barkley. Coincidentally, it was during the Arizona/Bears game, and
Kornheiser said exactly - "If the Bears come back and win this game,
you (charles) can have my job."
It happened. I am not sure as to what the delay is, but I'm still
waiting for the changeover! C'mon ESPN, Tony said it was his! Do us all
a favor...
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On Nov 27, 10:21 pm, "eleaticus" <eleati...@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> "CrudBurst" <43072...@recpoker.com> wrote in messagenews:1164682044$912055@recpoker.com...
>
> > So who should be voted off of the island? Kornheiser? Theisman? Tirico?
> All,
> > some or none of the above?
>
> > I think Tirico has been surprisingly smooth with the play-by-play stuff,
> but
> > Theisman and Kornheiser have as good a rapport with each other as did
> Michael
> > Moore and old GM CEO Roger Smith. Theisman would put the "I" in "ego" if
> ego
> > were spelled with an I. Kornheiser is much funnier in print and on PTI
> w/Wilbon
> > than in the MNF booth. So, I'm not sure if the problem is Kornheiser
> himself,
> > or just the lack of a reciprocating foil in Theisman.Korneiser needs someone with wit to work off of or with.
>
> Tirico has charm and an ease.
>
> Theisman. Forget it.
>
> --
> eleaticus
> ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> eleati...@bellsouth.net
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 22:21:50
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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"CrudBurst" <43072547@recpoker.com > wrote in message
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> So who should be voted off of the island? Kornheiser? Theisman? Tirico?
All,
> some or none of the above?
>
> I think Tirico has been surprisingly smooth with the play-by-play stuff,
but
> Theisman and Kornheiser have as good a rapport with each other as did
Michael
> Moore and old GM CEO Roger Smith. Theisman would put the "I" in "ego" if
ego
> were spelled with an I. Kornheiser is much funnier in print and on PTI
w/Wilbon
> than in the MNF booth. So, I'm not sure if the problem is Kornheiser
himself,
> or just the lack of a reciprocating foil in Theisman.
Korneiser needs someone with wit to work off of or with.
Tirico has charm and an ease.
Theisman. Forget it.
--
eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus
eleaticus@bellsouth.net
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 22:21:11
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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"eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
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> "CrudBurst" <43072547@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> news:1164682044$912055@recpoker.com...
>> So who should be voted off of the island? Kornheiser? Theisman?
>> Tirico?
> All,
>> some or none of the above?
>>
>> I think Tirico has been surprisingly smooth with the play-by-play stuff,
> but
>> Theisman and Kornheiser have as good a rapport with each other as did
> Michael
>> Moore and old GM CEO Roger Smith. Theisman would put the "I" in "ego" if
> ego
>> were spelled with an I. Kornheiser is much funnier in print and on PTI
> w/Wilbon
>> than in the MNF booth. So, I'm not sure if the problem is Kornheiser
> himself,
>> or just the lack of a reciprocating foil in Theisman.
>
> Korneiser needs someone with wit to work off of or with.
>
> Tirico has charm and an ease.
>
> Theisman. Forget it.
>
As someone who has done play-by-play AND color for football on radio and TV,
here are my opinions. Kornheiser is lost in this booth because his job is
to be Theisman's foil, however Theisman is such a fucking moron he can't set
Tony K. up to knock any out of the park. This is NOT Tony's fault.
Theisman is a moron, who only has the job because he "looks good" and got
his leg snapped on MNF and ESPN needed a name QB in the booth when they
started SNF. He needs to pack his bags and go somewhere far, far, far away
from a microphone and football.
Mike Tirico is a consumate pro, very good at play-by-play and could be doing
it for any of the networks currently carrying football.
With all of that said, Bryant Gumbel is by far the worst play-by-play guy
currently doing NFL on TV and Dan Deirdorf is the worst EVER color guy in
the history of NFL TV broadcasts.
I don't know how to fix ESPN's MNF, except to either add a 4th personality
WITH some personality and wit to go back and forth with Kornheiser, or pay
off Joey T's huge contract and find the same guy to REPLACE him.
JMnsHO.
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 15:19:37
From: Lou Krieger
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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Rick...
What would you think of dropping Theisman next year and replacing him with
Mike Wilbon and Tiki Barber?
That gives Kornheiser his familiar foil and puts an articulate former player
in the booth too. Of course with four in the booth, it would be difficult
to bring in a fifth guy each week to pimp his TV show, but then that's
usually good thing.
"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
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> As someone who has done play-by-play AND color for football on radio and
> TV, here are my opinions. Kornheiser is lost in this booth because his
> job is to be Theisman's foil, however Theisman is such a fucking moron he
> can't set Tony K. up to knock any out of the park. This is NOT Tony's
> fault.
>
> Theisman is a moron, who only has the job because he "looks good" and got
> his leg snapped on MNF and ESPN needed a name QB in the booth when they
> started SNF. He needs to pack his bags and go somewhere far, far, far
> away from a microphone and football.
>
> Mike Tirico is a consumate pro, very good at play-by-play and could be
> doing it for any of the networks currently carrying football.
>
> With all of that said, Bryant Gumbel is by far the worst play-by-play guy
> currently doing NFL on TV and Dan Deirdorf is the worst EVER color guy in
> the history of NFL TV broadcasts.
>
> I don't know how to fix ESPN's MNF, except to either add a 4th personality
> WITH some personality and wit to go back and forth with Kornheiser, or pay
> off Joey T's huge contract and find the same guy to REPLACE him.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 13:08:27
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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"Lou Krieger" <loukrieger@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:dsYah.13007$J5.11405@trnddc04...
> Rick...
>
> What would you think of dropping Theisman next year and replacing him with
> Mike Wilbon and Tiki Barber?
>
> That gives Kornheiser his familiar foil and puts an articulate former
> player in the booth too. Of course with four in the booth, it would be
> difficult to bring in a fifth guy each week to pimp his TV show, but then
> that's usually good thing.
Hi Lou, great to hear from you. Long time no see.
Tiki is definitely going to be going into broadcasting, but I believe he
will be with FOX, as he' s been co-hosting Fox and Friends first edition
every Tuesday morning for nearly a year now. He's GREAT on TV, with a good
voice and fantastic presence. I'm not sure Wilbon would be good in the
booth, although I love him with Kornheiser on PTI.
I think they may be grooming Steve Young to move to the MNF booth, but I
don't think he'd be nearly as good as Tiki, and frankly everyone is tired of
QB's moving to the booth, they only have one perspective, IMHO.
I REALLY like Tirico, and I think with a quick-witted and articulate
ex-player Tony K. would be good, now it's just a matter of finding someone
like Shannon or Sterling Sharp or maybe a DEFENSIVE player, off the top of
my head Ronnie Lott, or someone of his ilk, or if John Lynch finally hangs
'em up. Not sure.
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
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Date: 28 Nov
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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On Nov 28 2006 12:21 AM, DaVoice wrote:
> "eleaticus" wrote in message
> news:XMOah.12914$SV4.6804@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > "CrudBurst" <43072547@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> > news:1164682044$912055@recpoker.com...
> >> So who should be voted off of the island? Kornheiser? Theisman?
> >> Tirico?
> > All,
> >> some or none of the above?
> >>
> >> I think Tirico has been surprisingly smooth with the play-by-play stuff,
> > but
> >> Theisman and Kornheiser have as good a rapport with each other as did
> > Michael
> >> Moore and old GM CEO Roger Smith. Theisman would put the "I" in "ego" if
> > ego
> >> were spelled with an I. Kornheiser is much funnier in print and on PTI
> > w/Wilbon
> >> than in the MNF booth. So, I'm not sure if the problem is Kornheiser
> > himself,
> >> or just the lack of a reciprocating foil in Theisman.
> >
> > Korneiser needs someone with wit to work off of or with.
> >
> > Tirico has charm and an ease.
> >
> > Theisman. Forget it.
> >
>
>
> As someone who has done play-by-play AND color for football on radio and TV,
> here are my opinions. Kornheiser is lost in this booth because his job is
> to be Theisman's foil, however Theisman is such a fucking moron he can't set
> Tony K. up to knock any out of the park. This is NOT Tony's fault.
>
> Theisman is a moron, who only has the job because he "looks good" and got
> his leg snapped on MNF and ESPN needed a name QB in the booth when they
> started SNF. He needs to pack his bags and go somewhere far, far, far away
> from a microphone and football.
>
> Mike Tirico is a consumate pro, very good at play-by-play and could be doing
> it for any of the networks currently carrying football.
>
> With all of that said, Bryant Gumbel is by far the worst play-by-play guy
> currently doing NFL on TV and Dan Deirdorf is the worst EVER color guy in
> the history of NFL TV broadcasts.
>
> I don't know how to fix ESPN's MNF, except to either add a 4th personality
> WITH some personality and wit to go back and forth with Kornheiser, or pay
> off Joey T's huge contract and find the same guy to REPLACE him.
>
> JMnsHO.
Gotta agree 100% on Gumble and Tirico here. Tony K. and Theisman don't mesh,
but I didn't mind Theisman when he did color for ESPN SNF, albeit he was biased
towards QBs. He's gotten over that a bit, but still doesn't mesh w/ Tony K.,
who I think has loads of potential. The brains of Dennis Miller but with a
sense of relevance.
But I did laugh my ass off tonight when Jimmy Kimmel asked Theisman "How's the
leg" and Theisman got all defensive over it. I stopped laughing when Theisman
reminded us that was 21 years ago and I vividly remember watching that play my
freshman year in the dorm at UT.
Despite his man-crush on Aikman (and many others it seems), Joe Buck and Aikman
make a great 2-man commentating team.
Chris
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 06:51:34
From: Tracy Daniel
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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Tony K. needs somebody with a sense of humor in the booth, which Theisman
doesn't have. I find Tirico pretty good, but too easily excited. He kind
of reminds me of Eli Gold broadcasting Alabama games. The way he gets
excited about a one yard gain, you'd think they got a first down.
Tracy
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Date: 29 Nov 21:54:21
From: CrudBurst
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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On Nov 28 2006 1:21 AM, DaVoice wrote:
>
> As someone who has done play-by-play AND color for football on radio and TV,
> here are my opinions. Kornheiser is lost in this booth because his job is
> to be Theisman's foil, however Theisman is such a fucking moron he can't set
> Tony K. up to knock any out of the park. This is NOT Tony's fault.
>
> Theisman is a moron, who only has the job because he "looks good" and got
> his leg snapped on MNF and ESPN needed a name QB in the booth when they
> started SNF. He needs to pack his bags and go somewhere far, far, far away
> from a microphone and football.
>
> Mike Tirico is a consumate pro, very good at play-by-play and could be doing
> it for any of the networks currently carrying football.
>
> With all of that said, Bryant Gumbel is by far the worst play-by-play guy
> currently doing NFL on TV and Dan Deirdorf is the worst EVER color guy in
> the history of NFL TV broadcasts.
>
> I don't know how to fix ESPN's MNF, except to either add a 4th personality
> WITH some personality and wit to go back and forth with Kornheiser, or pay
> off Joey T's huge contract and find the same guy to REPLACE him.
>
> JMnsHO.
>
> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
I totally agree about Bryant Bumble. Outside of Mike Tyson, Gumble has the
worst voice on the airwaves, not to mention enough baggage to fill an airport
luggage carousel.
Why did the NFL network dig him up? Were they that deserpate? Couldn't they
have gotten an up-and-coming broadcaster who knows broadcasting? For now I
simply mute the volume and turn on some music. "Autumn Thunder" (songs from the
NFL) works pretty well. The only other alternative is to forgo the NFL Network
game altogether and work on the honey-do list. That's desperation.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 16:56:12
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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"CrudBurst" <43072547@recpoker.com > wrote in message
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>
>
> On Nov 28 2006 1:21 AM, DaVoice wrote:
>
>>
>> As someone who has done play-by-play AND color for football on radio and
>> TV,
>> here are my opinions. Kornheiser is lost in this booth because his job
>> is
>> to be Theisman's foil, however Theisman is such a fucking moron he can't
>> set
>> Tony K. up to knock any out of the park. This is NOT Tony's fault.
>>
>> Theisman is a moron, who only has the job because he "looks good" and got
>> his leg snapped on MNF and ESPN needed a name QB in the booth when they
>> started SNF. He needs to pack his bags and go somewhere far, far, far
>> away
>> from a microphone and football.
>>
>> Mike Tirico is a consumate pro, very good at play-by-play and could be
>> doing
>> it for any of the networks currently carrying football.
>>
>> With all of that said, Bryant Gumbel is by far the worst play-by-play guy
>> currently doing NFL on TV and Dan Deirdorf is the worst EVER color guy in
>> the history of NFL TV broadcasts.
>>
>> I don't know how to fix ESPN's MNF, except to either add a 4th
>> personality
>> WITH some personality and wit to go back and forth with Kornheiser, or
>> pay
>> off Joey T's huge contract and find the same guy to REPLACE him.
>>
>> JMnsHO.
>>
>> Rick "DaVoice" Charles
>
> I totally agree about Bryant Bumble. Outside of Mike Tyson, Gumble has
> the
> worst voice on the airwaves, not to mention enough baggage to fill an
> airport
> luggage carousel.
>
> Why did the NFL network dig him up? Were they that deserpate? Couldn't
> they
> have gotten an up-and-coming broadcaster who knows broadcasting? For now
> I
> simply mute the volume and turn on some music. "Autumn Thunder" (songs
> from the
> NFL) works pretty well. The only other alternative is to forgo the NFL
> Network
> game altogether and work on the honey-do list. That's desperation.
Agree on Gumble.
I don't like Kornheiser or any of the current MNF line-up. Spoiled by Al
Michaels, I guess. Michaels is the best play-by-play guy on the planet and
has been for years. Tirico is OK, but nothing special IMO.
I think Madden has that same sort of quality as Kornheiser: you either like
him or you don't, not much in the middle.
MNF should do everything to bring back Michaels and Madden; and I'd throw in
Pam Ward. Maybe even shitcan Madden and have Michaels and Ward to the
games. I don't think the "color" brings much to the table anyway and
Michaels and Ward have been around long enough to sprinkle color with the
play-by-play.
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Date: 30 Nov
From: CrudBurst
Subject: Re: MNF Announcers
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On Nov 29 2006 5:56 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
> Agree on Gumble.
>
> I don't like Kornheiser or any of the current MNF line-up. Spoiled by Al
> Michaels, I guess. Michaels is the best play-by-play guy on the planet and
> has been for years. Tirico is OK, but nothing special IMO.
>
> I think Madden has that same sort of quality as Kornheiser: you either like
> him or you don't, not much in the middle.
>
> MNF should do everything to bring back Michaels and Madden; and I'd throw in
> Pam Ward. Maybe even shitcan Madden and have Michaels and Ward to the
> games. I don't think the "color" brings much to the table anyway and
> Michaels and Ward have been around long enough to sprinkle color with the
> play-by-play.
Madden at least knows the game. I think the knock on him is that he's been
around so long now that people have tired of him. He still has great insights
but sometimes he becomes a charicature of himself.
I agree on Michaels, but there's something missing between him and Madden.
Maybe it's my old school Summerall-Madden team which was great and went on for
years (a bit too long probably given Summerall's alcohol dependency). I think
once you split from a longtime partner, a new pairing is never quite the same.
I sort of detect this in Madden and the way he relates to Michaels. There's
just a distance between them that didn't exist during the Summerall-Madden
broadcast era.
Pam Ward is an interesting choice. I think she's bright and has the requisite
knowledge; I just have a problem with her vocal tone. She has a huskier voice
than most, but for someone like me who prefers a John Facenda type voice, almost
no female voice will ever do at a football game.
This is especially so when there's an exciting play that gets the broadcasters
juiced up. Women's voices can get quite screechy when excited to the point of
grating. I'm especially singling out Robin Roberts of ESPN (ABC?--same thing
really) here. I think she's fine in a studio, but her voice is not suited to
broadcasting "excitement". I know I risk stereotyping by saying this, but it's
the way I feel. No worries, though, as I have absolutely no authority when it
comes to hiring and teaming broadcasters, LOL.
This is basically my problem though. Maybe it's too reminiscent of the wife
nagging away during the key portion of a football broadcast.
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