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Date: 14 Dec 19:51:20
From: estebanAA
Subject: Need real Advise
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OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing but
the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if its
a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling (has
some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
--lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with logic
and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong points.I
also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent with
my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is because
i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help full
to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being with
someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a little
about me .
the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and lose .
there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never where
its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours -
playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing .but
i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to 300
or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn it
into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your account -
mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm playing
great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet kk
1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the story
goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go back
to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and that
just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so mad
at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of poker
for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank manager
and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he said
the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the camera
kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont want
to become that guy .
\
so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style (drinking
)-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit -
dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I dont
like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing for
micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should break
even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some nice
cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance gl
estebanaa
let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting poker is
the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like to
continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
helped anyone i would like to hear ..
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:57:16
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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Pay the $27.95 and join www.pokermafia.com
estebanAA wrote:
> OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing but
> the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if its
> a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling (has
> some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with logic
> and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong points.I
> also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent with
> my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is because
> i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help full
> to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being with
> someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a little
> about me .
>
> the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and lose .
> there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never where
> its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours -
> playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing .but
> i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to 300
> or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn it
> into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your account -
> mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm playing
> great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet kk
> 1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the story
> goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go back
> to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and that
> just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so mad
> at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of poker
> for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
>
> i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank manager
> and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he said
> the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the camera
> kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont want
> to become that guy .
> \
>
> so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style (drinking
> )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit -
> dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I dont
> like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing for
> micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should break
> even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some nice
> cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance gl
> estebanaa
>
> let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting poker is
> the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like to
> continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> helped anyone i would like to hear ..
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 15 Dec
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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ihave seen your work well worh it Dan swear by you :)
On Dec 14 2006 5:57 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> Pay the $27.95 and join http://www.pokermafia.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> estebanAA wrote:
> > OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing
> > but
> > the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
> > its
> > a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
> > (has
> > some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> > --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
> > logic
> > and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong points.I
> >
> > also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> > millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> > business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
> > with
> > my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
> > because
> > i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> > someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
> > full
> > to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> > turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
> > with
> > someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a
> > little
> > about me .
> >
> > the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> > 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and
> > lose .
> > there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never
> > where
> > its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> > should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> > deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> > hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours
> > -
> > playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> > turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> > with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> > beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
> > .but
> > i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> > 300
> > or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> > it
> > into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your
> > account -
> > mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> > have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
> > playing
> > great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
> > kk
> > 1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the story
> > goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go
> > back
> > to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> > have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and
> > that
> > just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
> > mad
> > at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
> > poker
> > for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
> >
> > i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank
> > manager
> > and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he
> > said
> > the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> > money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
> > camera
> > kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> > hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
> > want
> > to become that guy .
> > \
> >
> > so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style
> > (drinking
> > )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> > entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
> > -
> > dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
> > dont
> > like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing
> > for
> > micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
> > break
> > even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some
> > nice
> > cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance
> > gl
> > estebanaa
> >
> > let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
> > poker is
> > the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> > soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like
> > to
> > continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> > helped anyone i would like to hear ..
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> > The Largest Online Poker Community - /
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 17:56:21
From: minus200(DELETETHIS)
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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.but
> i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to 300
> or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn it
> into 2 k in a few hours pay them back
--
This has all the earmarks of the railbirds you run into around casinos
trying to borrow money from anyone who will loan it to them. They are
the scum of the poker world and they always have a reason they dont pay
back people. If you have become this person -GIVE UP POKER - IF YOU
EVER PLAY ANOTHER HAND OF POKER ON YOUR MONEY WITHOUT PAYING BACK YOUR
LOANS FOR POKER THEN YOU ARE INDEED A SCUMBAG. You can tell me all about
your personal life but it doesnt change who you are. Give that some
serious thought. What would your credit report say about you if you
handled your personal life in the same manner? I dont want to hear that
you only do that in poker - it is just a manner of time until your poker
character bleeds into your personal life. I have gambled much of my
adult life and when I was young and fresh out of football in the SEC, I
did not guess about bets - I bet big (single and poor at the time) but
I had a wining percentage over 80%. When the season was 3-4 weeks old I
cut way back - bookie are too hard to beat 4-5 weeks into the season. I
am a pretty fair bridge player and a poor poker player but I have
managed to win at both over the years. I do not fool myself into
thinking I am a great poker player. If I wanted to sit and WORK at
poker as hard as I worked at bridge, I could be a much better player. I
have been successful in bridge at the highest levels. I would never
risk the kind of money that would be required to play poker at the
highest levels. Losing a few thousand in a night is one thing, but
quite another to lose a few HUNDRED thousand in one night. I play poker
at more levels than most players. I find 4-8 just as much fun as 15-30
or 40-80 and have won at many levels. It is just as much fun to win a $5
tournament as a $100 tournament but remember I dont play for the money.
I dont enjoy most of the California 2-4 or 3-6 games because the players
are generally playing with money they cant afford to lose and they are
"poker pros" with no clue but they want to tell others how to play and
abuse dealers.
At your age try limit poker with small enough stakes that a $200
bankroll can stand 5 or 6 losing sessions in a row. Set a max loss stop
each session and LIVE WITH IT. If you cant do that - YOU HAVE A PROBLEM
Dont play another hand of poker until you have paid ALL your poker
debts. If you fail in this one task, you fall into the septic tank of
classless bums that haunt our game. I make few serious post of this
lenght but read it and take it for what it is worth.
MINUS200
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but
rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, scotch in the
other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming
"WOO HOO what a ride!"
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Date: 15 Dec
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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I will do that -- That is my biggest regreat--- I should of paid them back- i
would of been a winner if i lost the rest -thanks and good luck estebanaa
On Dec 14 2006 5:47 PM, minus200(DELETETHIS) wrote:
> .but
> > i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> > 300
> > or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> > it
> > into 2 k in a few hours pay them back
>
>
>
> --
>
> This has all the earmarks of the railbirds you run into around casinos
> trying to borrow money from anyone who will loan it to them. They are
> the scum of the poker world and they always have a reason they dont pay
> back people. If you have become this person -GIVE UP POKER - IF YOU
> EVER PLAY ANOTHER HAND OF POKER ON YOUR MONEY WITHOUT PAYING BACK YOUR
> LOANS FOR POKER THEN YOU ARE INDEED A SCUMBAG. You can tell me all about
> your personal life but it doesnt change who you are. Give that some
> serious thought. What would your credit report say about you if you
> handled your personal life in the same manner? I dont want to hear that
> you only do that in poker - it is just a manner of time until your poker
> character bleeds into your personal life. I have gambled much of my
> adult life and when I was young and fresh out of football in the SEC, I
> did not guess about bets - I bet big (single and poor at the time) but
> I had a wining percentage over 80%. When the season was 3-4 weeks old I
> cut way back - bookie are too hard to beat 4-5 weeks into the season. I
> am a pretty fair bridge player and a poor poker player but I have
> managed to win at both over the years. I do not fool myself into
> thinking I am a great poker player. If I wanted to sit and WORK at
> poker as hard as I worked at bridge, I could be a much better player. I
> have been successful in bridge at the highest levels. I would never
> risk the kind of money that would be required to play poker at the
> highest levels. Losing a few thousand in a night is one thing, but
> quite another to lose a few HUNDRED thousand in one night. I play poker
> at more levels than most players. I find 4-8 just as much fun as 15-30
> or 40-80 and have won at many levels. It is just as much fun to win a $5
> tournament as a $100 tournament but remember I dont play for the money.
> I dont enjoy most of the California 2-4 or 3-6 games because the players
> are generally playing with money they cant afford to lose and they are
> "poker pros" with no clue but they want to tell others how to play and
> abuse dealers.
>
> At your age try limit poker with small enough stakes that a $200
> bankroll can stand 5 or 6 losing sessions in a row. Set a max loss stop
> each session and LIVE WITH IT. If you cant do that - YOU HAVE A PROBLEM
>
> Dont play another hand of poker until you have paid ALL your poker
> debts. If you fail in this one task, you fall into the septic tank of
> classless bums that haunt our game. I make few serious post of this
> lenght but read it and take it for what it is worth.
>
> MINUS200
>
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
> of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but
> rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, scotch in the
> other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming
> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 14:27:40
From: Bronzedodger
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 2:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
> let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
poker is
> the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like to
> continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> helped anyone i would like to hear ..
From a guy who has never played that high (by which I mean stakes, not the
beers) I think you probably know the answer already. I have no doubt I'd
be way up online if I could just avoid the dip into levels too high for my
bankroll. I have pretty solid results when I stick to levels I'm
comfortable at, but over a year or so I have two months of big losses,
both times when I decided I was good enough to play higher, and didn't
quit until I proved myself wrong.
The beers - well, I'm sure you know that's not wise. I can see (for some
people) one or two pints not being a big deal, but at six beers, my logic
centre is over-ruled.
"Hey, mouse-hand, you know you should fold Q-9s right? I mean, don't even
limp with it, right? Dammit...you called - oh good, next guy raised, so we
can just fold and...what? You called the raise? Out of position with Q6s?
I'm leaving...." Etc. ;)
I took a break (not a big break, maybe two weeks) pretty recently. Since I
started up again I have not played any big stakes, but I have been playing
much better. I'm not sure which book I read it in, but I'm also trying to
follow this little rule: if it even crosses your mind that you should quit
- quit. It's too easy to fall into "ahhh, I'll wait for the blind to come
around again." I find if I can do this, having a bad night is a blip,
instead of a disaster, and if I'm up, I can go do something else and be
happy that I'm up on the evening.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 13:44:35
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 7:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
> OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing
but
> the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
its
> a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
(has
> some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
logic
> and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong points.I
> also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
with
> my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
because
> i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
full
> to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
with
> someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a little
> about me .
>
> the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and
lose .
> there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never where
> its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours -
> playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
but
> i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
300
> or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
it
> into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your
account -
> mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
playing
> great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
kk
> 1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the story
> goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go
back
> to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and
that
> just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
mad
> at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
poker
> for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
>
> i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank manager
> and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he said
> the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
camera
> kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
want
> to become that guy .
>
>
> so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style (drinking
> )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
-
> dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
dont
> like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing for
> micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
break
> even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some nice
> cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance gl
> estebanaa
>
> let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
poker is
> the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like to
> continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> helped anyone i would like to hear ..
Esteban, if you have to ask if you might have a gambling problem, then you
have a gambling problem. If, as you seem to suggest, you are mainly
playing for entertainment value then you could quite happily play for
nickels and dimes. However, as best I can make out from your post, you are
playing for a mix of excitement and the hope of hitting a big pay-off.
That's classic gambler mentality mate. Trust me, I've been there.
Your defence that you don't play with the rent money sounds more like you
are trying to convince yourself as much as us and I wonder if you are
being completely honest here.
You also don't say what effect all this is having on your relationship
with your wife. I won't presume to know about your marraige, but it takes
a lot of pressure for someone to write what you have just written and I
hope that pressure is not affecting your relationship.
My advice. Take a break of a month with no poker in any shape manner or
form. If you can't manage that get help because you probably have a
problem.
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Date: 14 Dec 21:56:48
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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not bad advice - i might just do that --- and as far as my relationship. it has
caused a few small problems . nothing big i would not let it for sure . but you
know its not always 100% satisfaction and anyone here that tells you it is .is
not telling the truth . so another point im honestly tring to figure out if i
should quit -- If limits work what limits or if i should just sctach the whole
thing - ive meet some great people so i might miss that - I will miss the
competion -All things im working on thanks and gl estebanAA :)
On Dec 14 2006 3:44 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:
> On Dec 14 2006 7:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
>
> > OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing
> but
> > the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
> its
> > a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
> (has
> > some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> > --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
> logic
> > and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong
> > points.I
> > also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> > millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> > business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
> with
> > my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
> because
> > i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> > someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
> full
> > to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> > turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
> with
> > someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a
> > little
> > about me .
> >
> > the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> > 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and
> lose .
> > there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never
> > where
> > its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> > should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> > deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> > hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours
> > -
> > playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> > turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> > with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> > beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
> but
> > i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> 300
> > or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> it
> > into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your
> account -
> > mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> > have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
> playing
> > great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
> kk
> > 1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the story
> > goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go
> back
> > to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> > have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and
> that
> > just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
> mad
> > at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
> poker
> > for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
> >
> > i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank
> > manager
> > and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he
> > said
> > the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> > money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
> camera
> > kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> > hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
> want
> > to become that guy .
> >
> >
> > so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style
> > (drinking
> > )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> > entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
> -
> > dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
> dont
> > like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing
> > for
> > micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
> break
> > even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some
> > nice
> > cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance
> > gl
> > estebanaa
> >
> > let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
> poker is
> > the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> > soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like
> > to
> > continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> > helped anyone i would like to hear ..
>
>
>
> Esteban, if you have to ask if you might have a gambling problem, then you
> have a gambling problem. If, as you seem to suggest, you are mainly
> playing for entertainment value then you could quite happily play for
> nickels and dimes. However, as best I can make out from your post, you are
> playing for a mix of excitement and the hope of hitting a big pay-off.
> That's classic gambler mentality mate. Trust me, I've been there.
>
> Your defence that you don't play with the rent money sounds more like you
> are trying to convince yourself as much as us and I wonder if you are
> being completely honest here.
>
> You also don't say what effect all this is having on your relationship
> with your wife. I won't presume to know about your marraige, but it takes
> a lot of pressure for someone to write what you have just written and I
> hope that pressure is not affecting your relationship.
>
> My advice. Take a break of a month with no poker in any shape manner or
> form. If you can't manage that get help because you probably have a
> problem.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 14:47:28
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 9:56 PM, estebanAA wrote:
> not bad advice - i might just do that --- and as far as my relationship. it
has
> caused a few small problems . nothing big i would not let it for sure . but
you
> know its not always 100% satisfaction and anyone here that tells you it is
is
> not telling the truth . so another point im honestly tring to figure out if i
> should quit -- If limits work what limits or if i should just sctach the
whole
> thing - ive meet some great people so i might miss that - I will miss the
> competion -All things im working on thanks and gl estebanAA :)
>
When I started playing online I went through 2 £250 deposits in a matter
of days. It scared the tits off me because I had a serious gambling
problem when I was younger and I could recognise the old feelings coming
back. Online scared me particularly because of the accessibility and the
ease with which you can deposit money. I stayed away from it for a while
after those first two busts and then saw an ad for a free $10 no deposit
offer. I took it on the personal understanding that that was my only
chance to keep playing - if I bust I was done. I spent weeks grinding that
$10 into $200 on the micro limit tables and then moved onto the $10 max
PLO games. At first it felt stupid playing for such paltry amounts but it
really focused my mind on playing the best game I could and I still
believe that period gave me a level of discipline that has enabled me to
be a profitable player. After a couple of months I cashed out $2000 into
Neteller and started playing other sites. Over the past few years I've
consistently cashed out decent sums of money and have never made another
deposit. I still play at small stakes online, rarely higher than $100 max,
and I'm quite happy with it. I play higher stakes offline now but that
bankroll was seeded by my online winnings.
So there's a challenge for you. If I can build a bankroll out of $10 you
can too, if you really want to. Take a break to clear your mind. Don't
play poker, don't watch it on the TV don't visit RGP for a month, don't
even think about it. Then go back with $10 and grind that sucker into a
roll. You're not playing for the money, you're playing to prove you have
the discipline to win consistently. Then the money will come.
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Date: 14 Dec 23:13:37
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 4:47 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:
>
> When I started playing online I went through 2 £250 deposits in a matter
> of days. It scared the tits off me because I had a serious gambling
> problem when I was younger and I could recognise the old feelings coming
> back.
That rings very true for me. Even now, a couple of times a year I go blow $50
or $100 at a blackjack table just to remind myself why I took up poker and
essentially gave up blackjack & craps. But damn that tingly feeling is goot.
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Date: 14 Dec 21:24:47
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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The main proof that a person has a problem is them asking if they have a
problem.
If you have to ask then you have a problem.
On Dec 14 2006 12:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
>
> OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing but
> the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
> its
> a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
> (has
> some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
> logic
> and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong points.I
> also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
> with
> my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
> because
> i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
> full
> to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
> with
> someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a little
> about me .
>
> the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and lose
> .
> there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never where
> its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours -
> playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
> .but
> i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> 300
> or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> it
> into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your account
> -
> mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
> playing
> great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
> kk
> .1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the story
> goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go back
> to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and that
> just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
> mad
> at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
> poker
> for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
>
> i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank manager
> and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he said
> the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
> camera
> kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
> want
> to become that guy .
> \
>
> so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style (drinking
> )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
> -
> dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
> dont
> like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing for
> micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
> break
> even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some nice
> cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance gl
> estebanaa
>
> let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting poker
> is
> the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like to
> continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> helped anyone i would like to hear ..
It is only a phase these dark cafe days
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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Total bull shit.
On Dec 14 2006 1:24 PM, arlo payne wrote:
> The main proof that a person has a problem is them asking if they have a
> problem. If you have to ask then you have a problem.
>
> On Dec 14 2006 12:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
>
> >
> > OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing
> > but
> > the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
> > its
> > a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
> > (has
> > some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> > --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
> > logic
> > and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong
> > points.I
> > also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> > millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> > business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
> > with
> > my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
> > because
> > i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> > someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
> > full
> > to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> > turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
> > with
> > someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a
> > little
> > about me .
> >
> > the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> > 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and
> > lose
> > .
> > there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never
> > where
> > its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> > should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> > deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> > hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours
> > -
> > playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> > turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> > with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> > beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
> > .but
> > i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> > 300
> > or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> > it
> > into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your
> > account
> > -
> > mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> > have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
> > playing
> > great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
> > kk
> > .1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the
> > story
> > goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go
> > back
> > to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> > have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and
> > that
> > just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
> > mad
> > at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
> > poker
> > for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
> >
> > i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank
> > manager
> > and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he
> > said
> > the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> > money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
> > camera
> > kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> > hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
> > want
> > to become that guy .
> > \
> >
> > so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style
> > (drinking
> > )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> > entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
> > -
> > dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
> > dont
> > like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing
> > for
> > micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
> > break
> > even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some
> > nice
> > cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance
> > gl
> > estebanaa
> >
> > let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
> > poker
> > is
> > the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> > soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like
> > to
> > continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> > helped anyone i would like to hear ..
> It is only a phase these dark cafe days
>
>
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 6:20 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> Total bull shit.
>
Maybe Arlo's generality isn't always applicable, but you and I both know esteban
well enough to know it's true in this case. He asks why can't he stop when he's
up, pay what he owes, and then use the $300 that is his alone to build back up?
Because he gets the rush from playing the higher stakes that one can play with
$1000 and not $300. That addiction to that rush is a problem.
I don't think it's a major problem yet; I think though that esteban caught
himself in a hole that he hasn't been in (i.e., he's been able to win enough or
use enough non-needed personal funds to pay back his loans), but probably got a
cold streak and got in deeper than he's been in and realized something was
wrong.
That takes alot to admit that, and I respect him for it. He very well could
have run up personal debt, used funds needed for his business or whatever to
keep playing and hope to score big enough to pay back and have enough to keep
playing at high levels. But I think he reazlied the difficulty in climbing that
ever growing mountain so he asked for advice.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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> On Dec 14 2006 6:20 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> >
> > Total bull shit.
> >
>
> Maybe Arlo's generality isn't always applicable, but you and I both know
> esteban
> well enough to know it's true in this case. He asks why can't he stop when
> he's
> up, pay what he owes, and then use the $300 that is his alone to build back
> up?
> Because he gets the rush from playing the higher stakes that one can play with
> $1000 and not $300. That addiction to that rush is a problem.
>
> I don't think it's a major problem yet; I think though that esteban caught
> himself in a hole that he hasn't been in (i.e., he's been able to win enough
> or
> use enough non-needed personal funds to pay back his loans), but probably got
> a
> cold streak and got in deeper than he's been in and realized something was
> wrong.
>
> That takes alot to admit that, and I respect him for it. He very well could
> have run up personal debt, used funds needed for his business or whatever to
> keep playing and hope to score big enough to pay back and have enough to keep
> playing at high levels. But I think he reazlied the difficulty in climbing
> that
> ever growing mountain so he asked for advice.
Alro's generality in this case is bullshit, that's all I said. Bad Arlo!!! Bad
bad Arlo!!!
Steve and I are friends so I gave my thoughts via private email some time ago.
His response to me and his actions since indicated that he did not have a
serious gambling problem, so I left it at that. I backed him in the WCOOP and
will do it again next year, no problem.
Him posting is just part of the human thought process and should be viewed as a
positive, not some lame cry for help. Just my opinion of course.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 7:07 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14 2006 6:20 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Total bull shit.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe Arlo's generality isn't always applicable, but you and I both know
> > esteban
> > well enough to know it's true in this case. He asks why can't he stop when
> > he's
> > up, pay what he owes, and then use the $300 that is his alone to build back
> > up?
> > Because he gets the rush from playing the higher stakes that one can play
> > with
> > $1000 and not $300. That addiction to that rush is a problem.
> >
> > I don't think it's a major problem yet; I think though that esteban caught
> > himself in a hole that he hasn't been in (i.e., he's been able to win enough
> > or
> > use enough non-needed personal funds to pay back his loans), but probably
> > got
> > a
> > cold streak and got in deeper than he's been in and realized something was
> > wrong.
> >
> > That takes alot to admit that, and I respect him for it. He very well could
> > have run up personal debt, used funds needed for his business or whatever to
> > keep playing and hope to score big enough to pay back and have enough to
> > keep
> > playing at high levels. But I think he reazlied the difficulty in climbing
> > that
> > ever growing mountain so he asked for advice.
>
> Alro's generality in this case is bullshit, that's all I said. Bad Arlo!!! Bad
> bad Arlo!!!
>
> Steve and I are friends so I gave my thoughts via private email some time ago.
> His response to me and his actions since indicated that he did not have a
> serious gambling problem, so I left it at that. I backed him in the WCOOP and
> will do it again next year, no problem.
>
> Him posting is just part of the human thought process and should be viewed as
> a
> positive, not some lame cry for help. Just my opinion of course.
>
>
>
I have been shown the light!
I will from here on out NEVER post to any future "As the World turns" post here
on RGP.
Arlo(not the god just a god)Payne
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 23:43:58
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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Esteban, you keep saying over and over how you dont use business
money and other phrases like this. It seems you are trying to justify
your gambling to others and to yourself. So what if you dont spend rent
money on poker? That just means you arent an uncontrollable addict,
doesnt mean you arent an addict. You seem to enjoy the rush you get when
you win a little too much. That is why you couldnt stop when up a large
amount (to you). The beer had to have added to it too.
If you were playing another game, like chess, you wouldnt get
that thrill. If you played for play money you wouldnt get it either. Do
you get the same thrill from working for your money? I doubt it. You are
addicted to the easy fast money. If somehow you could enjoy the game
more it would help you. I love outplaying people, the psychological
battles that take place. I love the competition. I love beating people
and seeing that they didnt know what hit them or how I did it.
The bigger the risk the better the high you get, and gambling away
what was a lot of money surely caused you many rushing highs and lows.
Forget that its real money. Forget that its money at all. Just play the
game. Lets say someone has 100 IQ and plays poker. He focuses all 100
points on it and does ok. He gets up a lot of money, and now is spending
half of his brain on the money, what he can do with it and so on. Now
he only has 50 IQ points to put toward the game. Someone with an IQ of
50 cant make any good decisions and the money vanishes. During the
downslide he is even more focused on the money and might only put 25
points toward the game. This seems to be what you did, got distracted by
the cash. I dont think you should stop, but you need to come up with a
good solid plan.
Dont raise or lower your limits you play base on your winnings or
losings. It should be based on your skill. Come up with a good solid
plan and be disciplined enough to stick to it, rain or shine. The fact
that you are justifying yourself a lot looks to me like you think you
have a problem. That adrenaline rush from poker, and other things, is
very addictive and the more you feed it the worse it gets. Since that
money wasnt a life changing thing dont let it get to you. Forget how
much you are up or down and just enjoy beating the shit out of your
opponents. The money is only short term, but the memory of making
someone cry because of the beating you gave them will last forever!
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From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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Arlo you are one of the elders-- :) just thought you would be more insight full-
after all your about to go on a journey of 3 reports about the thought process
of poker - just when i say your name come up i was expecting something a little
more thought full not something that sounded like that -- still would appricate
a story or some thought into knowing when you should quit -- or what to do to
make my problem better -- i love the sport -- the friends -- the competion was
just hopeing that giving up was not the best advise.and as you can see there are
some good thought from poker players well thanks again estebanAA
On Dec 14 2006 8:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 7:07 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 14 2006 6:20 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Total bull shit.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Maybe Arlo's generality isn't always applicable, but you and I both know
> > > esteban
> > > well enough to know it's true in this case. He asks why can't he stop
> > > when
> > > he's
> > > up, pay what he owes, and then use the $300 that is his alone to build
> > > back
> > > up?
> > > Because he gets the rush from playing the higher stakes that one can play
> > > with
> > > $1000 and not $300. That addiction to that rush is a problem.
> > >
> > > I don't think it's a major problem yet; I think though that esteban caught
> > > himself in a hole that he hasn't been in (i.e., he's been able to win
> > > enough
> > > or
> > > use enough non-needed personal funds to pay back his loans), but probably
> > > got
> > > a
> > > cold streak and got in deeper than he's been in and realized something was
> > > wrong.
> > >
> > > That takes alot to admit that, and I respect him for it. He very well
> > > could
> > > have run up personal debt, used funds needed for his business or whatever
> > > to
> > > keep playing and hope to score big enough to pay back and have enough to
> > > keep
> > > playing at high levels. But I think he reazlied the difficulty in
> > > climbing
> > > that
> > > ever growing mountain so he asked for advice.
> >
> > Alro's generality in this case is bullshit, that's all I said. Bad Arlo!!!
> > Bad
> > bad Arlo!!!
> >
> > Steve and I are friends so I gave my thoughts via private email some time
> > ago.
> > His response to me and his actions since indicated that he did not have a
> > serious gambling problem, so I left it at that. I backed him in the WCOOP
> > and
> > will do it again next year, no problem.
> >
> > Him posting is just part of the human thought process and should be viewed
> > as
> > a
> > positive, not some lame cry for help. Just my opinion of course.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I have been shown the light!
> I will from here on out NEVER post to any future "As the World turns" post
> here
> on RGP.
> Arlo(not the god just a god)Payne
>
>
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Date: 15 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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No problem but I prefer to answer directly by e-mail from now on
On Dec 14 2006 7:47 PM, estebanAA wrote:
> Arlo you are one of the elders-- :) just thought you would be more insight
> full-
> after all your about to go on a journey of 3 reports about the thought process
> of poker - just when i say your name come up i was expecting something a
> little
> more thought full not something that sounded like that -- still would
> appricate
> a story or some thought into knowing when you should quit -- or what to do
> to
> make my problem better -- i love the sport -- the friends -- the competion was
> just hopeing that giving up was not the best advise.and as you can see there
> are
> some good thought from poker players well thanks again estebanAA
>
> On Dec 14 2006 8:39 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 14 2006 7:07 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 14 2006 6:20 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Total bull shit.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe Arlo's generality isn't always applicable, but you and I both know
> > > > esteban
> > > > well enough to know it's true in this case. He asks why can't he stop
> > > > when
> > > > he's
> > > > up, pay what he owes, and then use the $300 that is his alone to build
> > > > back
> > > > up?
> > > > Because he gets the rush from playing the higher stakes that one can
> > > > play
> > > > with
> > > > $1000 and not $300. That addiction to that rush is a problem.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think it's a major problem yet; I think though that esteban
> > > > caught
> > > > himself in a hole that he hasn't been in (i.e., he's been able to win
> > > > enough
> > > > or
> > > > use enough non-needed personal funds to pay back his loans), but
> > > > probably
> > > > got
> > > > a
> > > > cold streak and got in deeper than he's been in and realized something
> > > > was
> > > > wrong.
> > > >
> > > > That takes alot to admit that, and I respect him for it. He very well
> > > > could
> > > > have run up personal debt, used funds needed for his business or
> > > > whatever
> > > > to
> > > > keep playing and hope to score big enough to pay back and have enough to
> > > > keep
> > > > playing at high levels. But I think he reazlied the difficulty in
> > > > climbing
> > > > that
> > > > ever growing mountain so he asked for advice.
> > >
> > > Alro's generality in this case is bullshit, that's all I said. Bad Arlo!!!
> > > Bad
> > > bad Arlo!!!
> > >
> > > Steve and I are friends so I gave my thoughts via private email some time
> > > ago.
> > > His response to me and his actions since indicated that he did not have a
> > > serious gambling problem, so I left it at that. I backed him in the WCOOP
> > > and
> > > will do it again next year, no problem.
> > >
> > > Him posting is just part of the human thought process and should be viewed
> > > as
> > > a
> > > positive, not some lame cry for help. Just my opinion of course.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I have been shown the light!
> > I will from here on out NEVER post to any future "As the World turns" post
> > here
> > on RGP.
> > Arlo(not the god just a god)Payne
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 22:57:56
From: Tom Cruise's Ex-Girlfriend's Secret Lover
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166151828$922035@recpoker.com...
> No problem but I prefer to answer directly by e-mail from now on
Because you don't want EVERYONE to know how completely full of shit you are.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 8:57 PM, Tom Cruise's Ex-Girlfriend's Secret Lover wrote:
> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> news:1166151828$922035@recpoker.com...
> > No problem but I prefer to answer directly by e-mail from now on
>
> Because you don't want EVERYONE to know how completely full of shit you are.
No because I will ask some very hard questions that I am sure does not need to
be open to the world
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 04:07:19
From: Palooka
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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"Tom Cruise's Ex-Girlfriend's Secret Lover" <milkinit@buddy.com > wrote in
message news:45821d43$0$4856$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1166151828$922035@recpoker.com...
>> No problem but I prefer to answer directly by e-mail from now on
>
> Because you don't want EVERYONE to know how completely full of shit you
> are.
>
No, because he is genuinely ready to help someone who asks, without the
discussion being aired in public.
Palooka
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Date: 15 Dec
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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thanks Dan -- I'm putting myself like other rgpers such as cincy and tanya did
about there marriage problems . like others have about other problems . my
thought here is to be as honest as possible .hoping someone whos has dealt with
this could good give me some first hand advise. Ive dont think i have a
gambeling problem - i have some decent self control . I have never in my life
done any illegal drugs - such as weed -coke--x even though faced it trough much
peer presure. I have always been strong in my belife in myself. my dad smokeing
drove me to never smoke in my life. I went through a rough bussines time about 3
years ago that involved the irs. thats reason i never deposit out of CC or
checks - everytime i do its WU - when cash out i have a epassporte account and
atm card -- not that im screwing with the irs but i never mix bussiness money
with play money. i think i could set limits and play small limits to inorder to
keep playing - hell i could play .25-.50 stud and play as drunk as i want and be
out 25 bucks max - i just have to figure out what works that why i need the
advise .
hell 10.00 mtt tourney if i play well could last 4 -6 hours --i just need to
pace myself- but its not that easy -- i need to write a plan for myself stick to
it .its the plan that I'm working on. well thanks to everyone for there advise
im not broke just a little dishearted with poker -- gl all estebanAA
On Dec 14 2006 8:07 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14 2006 6:20 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Total bull shit.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe Arlo's generality isn't always applicable, but you and I both know
> > esteban
> > well enough to know it's true in this case. He asks why can't he stop when
> > he's
> > up, pay what he owes, and then use the $300 that is his alone to build back
> > up?
> > Because he gets the rush from playing the higher stakes that one can play
> > with
> > $1000 and not $300. That addiction to that rush is a problem.
> >
> > I don't think it's a major problem yet; I think though that esteban caught
> > himself in a hole that he hasn't been in (i.e., he's been able to win enough
> > or
> > use enough non-needed personal funds to pay back his loans), but probably
> > got
> > a
> > cold streak and got in deeper than he's been in and realized something was
> > wrong.
> >
> > That takes alot to admit that, and I respect him for it. He very well could
> > have run up personal debt, used funds needed for his business or whatever to
> > keep playing and hope to score big enough to pay back and have enough to
> > keep
> > playing at high levels. But I think he reazlied the difficulty in climbing
> > that
> > ever growing mountain so he asked for advice.
>
> Alro's generality in this case is bullshit, that's all I said. Bad Arlo!!! Bad
> bad Arlo!!!
>
> Steve and I are friends so I gave my thoughts via private email some time ago.
> His response to me and his actions since indicated that he did not have a
> serious gambling problem, so I left it at that. I backed him in the WCOOP and
> will do it again next year, no problem.
>
> Him posting is just part of the human thought process and should be viewed as
> a
> positive, not some lame cry for help. Just my opinion of course.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 15 Dec 10:53:43
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 8:07 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14 2006 6:20 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Total bull shit.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe Arlo's generality isn't always applicable, but you and I both know
> > esteban
> > well enough to know it's true in this case. He asks why can't he stop when
> > he's
> > up, pay what he owes, and then use the $300 that is his alone to build back
> > up?
> > Because he gets the rush from playing the higher stakes that one can play
> > with
> > $1000 and not $300. That addiction to that rush is a problem.
> >
> > I don't think it's a major problem yet; I think though that esteban caught
> > himself in a hole that he hasn't been in (i.e., he's been able to win enough
> > or
> > use enough non-needed personal funds to pay back his loans), but probably
> > got
> > a
> > cold streak and got in deeper than he's been in and realized something was
> > wrong.
> >
> > That takes alot to admit that, and I respect him for it. He very well could
> > have run up personal debt, used funds needed for his business or whatever to
> > keep playing and hope to score big enough to pay back and have enough to
> > keep
> > playing at high levels. But I think he reazlied the difficulty in climbing
> > that
> > ever growing mountain so he asked for advice.
>
> Alro's generality in this case is bullshit, that's all I said. Bad Arlo!!! Bad
> bad Arlo!!!
>
> Steve and I are friends so I gave my thoughts via private email some time ago.
> His response to me and his actions since indicated that he did not have a
> serious gambling problem, so I left it at that. I backed him in the WCOOP and
> will do it again next year, no problem.
>
> Him posting is just part of the human thought process and should be viewed as
> a
> positive, not some lame cry for help. Just my opinion of course.
>
I think you and I are in agreement here. I didn't mean to imply that his post
is a lame cry for help, but it is a plea for answers and guidance. An honest
plea, and I admire him for that. But his post does indicate there is something
he ain't happy with; thus, it's a problem.
I agree with you that it's not a serious problem, and the fact that he
recognizes it at this point is a postive. Like I said, and like he confirmed,
he hasn't gambled away any important funds that he needs for his family or
business, and I think his self-reflection at this point is recognition that he
won't do that, but he does have concerns and questions.
I'm confident he'll work his way through this by instilling some discipline in
his poker that he's shown in his business and personal life. If something I
said left the impression that I thought otherwise I apologize.
I do feel bad for him that Shanahan basically threw in the towel on the Bronco's
season, but that's a minor point.
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Date: 15 Dec
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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I promise i have not touch one cent of my bussniness money - i love my childern
to much to ever put there future at risk--- the money i have use is money i
would of spent on other entertainment things--I took my soon to his first karate
class today -- they talk about displine and its a learned trait that help in all
lifes thing kinda of funny how it came the same day i made this post
On Dec 14 2006 6:50 PM, Chris in Texas wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 6:20 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> >
> > Total bull shit.
> >
>
> Maybe Arlo's generality isn't always applicable, but you and I both know
> esteban
> well enough to know it's true in this case. He asks why can't he stop when
> he's
> up, pay what he owes, and then use the $300 that is his alone to build back
> up?
> Because he gets the rush from playing the higher stakes that one can play with
> $1000 and not $300. That addiction to that rush is a problem.
>
> I don't think it's a major problem yet; I think though that esteban caught
> himself in a hole that he hasn't been in (i.e., he's been able to win enough
> or
> use enough non-needed personal funds to pay back his loans), but probably got
> a
> cold streak and got in deeper than he's been in and realized something was
> wrong.
>
> That takes alot to admit that, and I respect him for it. He very well could
> have run up personal debt, used funds needed for his business or whatever to
> keep playing and hope to score big enough to pay back and have enough to keep
> playing at high levels. But I think he reazlied the difficulty in climbing
> that
> ever growing mountain so he asked for advice.
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From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 3:24 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> The main proof that a person has a problem is them asking if they have a
> problem.
> If you have to ask then you have a problem.
Very true. Back when I used to drink alot when I was younger, it finally dawned
on me that I knew I had enough to drink when I'd catch myself in the restroom
looking in the mirror with a smirk on my face asking myself, "Are you drunk?"
To esteban: Arlo answered your question that if you feel you have a problem,
then you do. I think it's a bit of both, bankroll management for sure (because
you don't actually keep a poker bankroll per se nor track your results
accurately), but the inability to stop when up $1k (esp. with debts) is sign of
a gambling problem. Maybe not an incurable one, it sounds like somethignn that
you can fix with a lot of discipline.
Set goals for yourself (time goals) and stick to them. Once you have the
discipline to stop at a given time, no matter whether you're winning or losing
or table is full of donkeys, if you have the discipline to get up, then you're
well on your way.
Good luck, amigo.
Chris
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Date: 14 Dec 21:43:21
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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i can see that -- the only thing i would add is that the fact that i gambled
without discipline is the reason i ended up at 1000 k - if not i would at be
the 1/2 table for a month to reach 1 k -- that might be what i have to do -- Im
just taking a few days getting ideas and tring to reach a conclussion -- not
rushing into anything --- but ask me what i thought of poker a few days ago
:)-- thanks amigo and when we finally meet at eagle pass will have some fun :)
gl estebanAA
On Dec 14 2006 3:36 PM, Chris in Texas wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 3:24 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> >
> > The main proof that a person has a problem is them asking if they have a
> > problem.
> > If you have to ask then you have a problem.
>
> Very true. Back when I used to drink alot when I was younger, it finally
> dawned
> on me that I knew I had enough to drink when I'd catch myself in the restroom
> looking in the mirror with a smirk on my face asking myself, "Are you drunk?"
>
> To esteban: Arlo answered your question that if you feel you have a problem,
> then you do. I think it's a bit of both, bankroll management for sure
> (because
> you don't actually keep a poker bankroll per se nor track your results
> accurately), but the inability to stop when up $1k (esp. with debts) is sign
> of
> a gambling problem. Maybe not an incurable one, it sounds like somethignn
> that
> you can fix with a lot of discipline.
>
> Set goals for yourself (time goals) and stick to them. Once you have the
> discipline to stop at a given time, no matter whether you're winning or losing
> or table is full of donkeys, if you have the discipline to get up, then you're
> well on your way.
>
> Good luck, amigo.
>
> Chris
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Date: 14 Dec 21:29:18
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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I was hoping u would answer - but expected much more information then that old
if you ask then u have a problem-- you a very smart man advice from u would of
been greatly appricated - maybe you can look at it a bit more .that would be
nice well gl arlo estebanAA
On Dec 14 2006 3:24 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> The main proof that a person has a problem is them asking if they have a
> problem.
> If you have to ask then you have a problem.
>
> On Dec 14 2006 12:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
>
> >
> > OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing
> > but
> > the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
> > its
> > a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
> > (has
> > some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> > --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
> > logic
> > and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong
> > points.I
> > also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> > millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> > business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
> > with
> > my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
> > because
> > i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> > someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
> > full
> > to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> > turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
> > with
> > someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a
> > little
> > about me .
> >
> > the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> > 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and
> > lose
> > .
> > there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never
> > where
> > its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> > should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> > deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> > hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours
> > -
> > playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> > turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> > with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> > beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
> > .but
> > i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> > 300
> > or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> > it
> > into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your
> > account
> > -
> > mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> > have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
> > playing
> > great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
> > kk
> > .1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the
> > story
> > goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go
> > back
> > to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> > have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and
> > that
> > just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
> > mad
> > at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
> > poker
> > for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
> >
> > i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank
> > manager
> > and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he
> > said
> > the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> > money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
> > camera
> > kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> > hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
> > want
> > to become that guy .
> > \
> >
> > so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style
> > (drinking
> > )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> > entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
> > -
> > dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
> > dont
> > like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing
> > for
> > micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
> > break
> > even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some
> > nice
> > cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance
> > gl
> > estebanaa
> >
> > let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
> > poker
> > is
> > the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> > soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like
> > to
> > continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> > helped anyone i would like to hear ..
> It is only a phase these dark cafe days
>
>
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Date: 14 Dec 21:51:19
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 2:29 PM, estebanAA wrote:
> I was hoping u would answer - but expected much more information then that
> old
> if you ask then u have a problem-- you a very smart man advice from u would of
> been greatly appricated - maybe you can look at it a bit more .that would be
> nice well gl arlo estebanAA
Sounds fair.
Please e-mail it to me and I will go deeper into it.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 17:54:37
From: Tom Cruise's Ex-Girlfriend's Secret Lover
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
> Please e-mail it to me and I will go deeper into it.
Are you going to charge him? Otherwise, why not share your wisdom in these
hallowed halls?
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From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 3:54 PM, Tom Cruise's Ex-Girlfriend's Secret Lover wrote:
> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> > Please e-mail it to me and I will go deeper into it.
>
> Are you going to charge him? Otherwise, why not share your wisdom in these
> hallowed halls?
Oh KISS MY ASS!
If you must know it is so I will not forget about it.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 13:14:33
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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Without reading anyone elses responses I will ask a couple questions.
You say you always deposit only 200.00. Does this mean you always lose
and have to re deposit or do you withdraw the money then redeposit
later.
The very fact that you actually posted this as a possible problem
probably means you have a problem and should stop. The first step is
to admit you have a problem. (I am no expert and do not know you so
would never say that for certain)
Also you say it is for entertainment, but say you believe you are
pretty good-kind of sounds like me - this part anyway. If it is soley
for entertainment and you can afford to lose what you are losing and do
not find yourself in financial trouble I say you are OK. Once you
start losing money you can not afford to lose that is when you may want
to stop.
Hope this helps.
Just my take.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 13:38:51
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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estebanAA wrote:
> yes i have taken out money -- and so its not always my new money im putting in--
> its more enjoyable when your winning so ive worked very hard at it - i have
> read many boks asked many question and have sweated some good players . so i
> have an idea why players do what they do. so im not only doing this to have fun
> but would like to make money while doing it-- i never gone into anything willing
> to lose or give up its not in my nature.but i have played stupidly a few times.
> if i were getting my butt handed to me every time i would stop playing . it
> would just be less fun. but I do well sometimes which keeps me coming for
> more... Just trying to figure out when i was a 1050.00 why i didnt stop - I
> think i know why but wanted to get ideas from other players . I talked to wife
> about it as i like to be as honest as possible, but she had no answers as she
> has no experiance with any of this -- well thanks again and gl estebanAA
Yeah I understand what you are saying. I am very similiar to what you
are explaining except my roll (its not really a roll, but more of
folded up bills which I keep under my bed) only allows me to play lower
limits. I wonder myself sometimes when I am sitting at the casino and
have been there a few hours and am up from 100.00 to 200.00 in 3-6
limit non the less and I stay and play until I am leaving down actually
30.00-40.00. I figure well I really got 30.00-40.00 worth of
entertainment so now I can leave.
In my mind I start thinking like you were explaining. I say to myself
"self, I have been here for a 4 hours and really should be going, but I
am having fun so lets stay and play some more pots." My problem when
that happens is that I tend to losen up to play more pots so as to get
my last bit of excitement in before I leave and find myself in
difficult situations, losing big pots. Poker IS FUN!!! I never want to
leave the casino, if I did not have a GF I would play 8-9 hours a day
after work just about everyday.
I need to leave while ahead and if I don't I need to play the same the
whole time I am sitting there.
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Date: 14 Dec 21:25:06
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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yes i have taken out money -- and so its not always my new money im putting in--
its more enjoyable when your winning so ive worked very hard at it - i have
read many boks asked many question and have sweated some good players . so i
have an idea why players do what they do. so im not only doing this to have fun
but would like to make money while doing it-- i never gone into anything willing
to lose or give up its not in my nature.but i have played stupidly a few times.
if i were getting my butt handed to me every time i would stop playing . it
would just be less fun. but I do well sometimes which keeps me coming for
more... Just trying to figure out when i was a 1050.00 why i didnt stop - I
think i know why but wanted to get ideas from other players . I talked to wife
about it as i like to be as honest as possible, but she had no answers as she
has no experiance with any of this -- well thanks again and gl estebanAA
On Dec 14 2006 3:14 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Without reading anyone elses responses I will ask a couple questions.
> You say you always deposit only 200.00. Does this mean you always lose
> and have to re deposit or do you withdraw the money then redeposit
> later.
>
> The very fact that you actually posted this as a possible problem
> probably means you have a problem and should stop. The first step is
> to admit you have a problem. (I am no expert and do not know you so
> would never say that for certain)
>
> Also you say it is for entertainment, but say you believe you are
> pretty good-kind of sounds like me - this part anyway. If it is soley
> for entertainment and you can afford to lose what you are losing and do
> not find yourself in financial trouble I say you are OK. Once you
> start losing money you can not afford to lose that is when you may want
> to stop.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Just my take.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 13:00:18
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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Not necessarily a gambling problem per se.
But common gambling failure. Everyone does that from to time to time.
You always read that discipline is THE most important thing.
The reason everyone harps on this, and points it out, and makes it the
most important thing. BECAUSE IT IS THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT PEOPLE
LOSE MONEY. Mostly not any other reason, but the reason listed.
So, learn from it. Improve discipline. Don't kill yourself over it,
recognize it for what it is, and get it to the ground, and snap it's
freakin' head off. It has literally happened to everyone. It comes
from the cockiness and arrogance of winning. And lack of discipline
will get you each time that you allow it into your life.
It is a gambling problem if you REQUIRE losing for whatever reason.
That you do not feel right unless you are losing. That you can never
recognize the discipline problem, or worse, recognize it and don't do
anything about it.
Don't screw yourself up with the "I can afford to lose this." It can
make you too casual towards the contest, and not pay attention...
Different than playing scared... Playing carelessly. Which is
different than carefree. Mike Caro tries to deal with this
psychological dilemma with things like telling yourself you are the
luckiest player in the world. That winning players play better than
losing players. And various other tacts. Playing because you can
afford to lose, often leads to self-fulfilling prophecy. Poker is
constant scrutiny, self and others. It is a slim edge, and can be not
alot of fun. Most players can do better playing craps or blackjack.
More fun, the dealer and the players are on your side. And heck you can
even have winning sessions, free drinks, and everything. And you are
only playing with money that you can lose.
Or maybe sports. Cause you want to have the edge. It's good because
you can slow down your action dramatically, and enjoy each play for
ages, rather than seconds.
Maybe, no gambling problem. Maybe poker is just not right for you.
There are funner ways to lose. And other interesting ways to win.
Poker is tough.
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Date: 14 Dec 21:07:39
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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true its more fun to lose 200 in a strip club.-- and i belive I do much better
when im having fun -- thats why i dont like playing more then one table - but i
still catch myself doing it from time to time --- like i say i do it for fun and
tring to keep 3 tables going is not much fun-- i have done much better lately ..
gl estebanAA
On Dec 14 2006 3:00 PM, johnny T wrote:
> Not necessarily a gambling problem per se.
>
> But common gambling failure. Everyone does that from to time to time.
> You always read that discipline is THE most important thing.
>
> The reason everyone harps on this, and points it out, and makes it the
> most important thing. BECAUSE IT IS THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT PEOPLE
> LOSE MONEY. Mostly not any other reason, but the reason listed.
>
> So, learn from it. Improve discipline. Don't kill yourself over it,
> recognize it for what it is, and get it to the ground, and snap it's
> freakin' head off. It has literally happened to everyone. It comes
> from the cockiness and arrogance of winning. And lack of discipline
> will get you each time that you allow it into your life.
>
> It is a gambling problem if you REQUIRE losing for whatever reason.
> That you do not feel right unless you are losing. That you can never
> recognize the discipline problem, or worse, recognize it and don't do
> anything about it.
>
> Don't screw yourself up with the "I can afford to lose this." It can
> make you too casual towards the contest, and not pay attention...
> Different than playing scared... Playing carelessly. Which is
> different than carefree. Mike Caro tries to deal with this
> psychological dilemma with things like telling yourself you are the
> luckiest player in the world. That winning players play better than
> losing players. And various other tacts. Playing because you can
> afford to lose, often leads to self-fulfilling prophecy. Poker is
> constant scrutiny, self and others. It is a slim edge, and can be not
> alot of fun. Most players can do better playing craps or blackjack.
> More fun, the dealer and the players are on your side. And heck you can
> even have winning sessions, free drinks, and everything. And you are
> only playing with money that you can lose.
>
> Or maybe sports. Cause you want to have the edge. It's good because
> you can slow down your action dramatically, and enjoy each play for
> ages, rather than seconds.
>
> Maybe, no gambling problem. Maybe poker is just not right for you.
> There are funner ways to lose. And other interesting ways to win.
> Poker is tough.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 12:50:32
From: Elvis Henry
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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I've seen you play. You're the table maniac at every table you join.
Your style of play is boom or bust. Sometimes you hit it big, and
other times you bust out. I quit playing RGP home games because of
you, and you alone. You do a wonderful job of giving terrible odds to
any player holding anything less than a pair of queens, I'll give you
that. But frankly, I've never witnessed a bigger donkey online than
you.
But as you say, you play for entertainment, and not for a living. Your
very style of play defeats the notion of "bankroll management." You
say it's more skill than gambling, and while I've witnessed your
fearless style of play and have seen it work for you at times, you are,
at heart, a gambler. A leopard cannot change its spots.
E
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Date: 14 Dec 21:01:30
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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i think you have only seen me play in 10.oo or cheaper tourney-- i play much
diffrent at diffrent levels -- sorry that i caused you to quit homegames - go
back there very fun.. thats the reason i dont like playing play money or mico
limits its a dirrent type of poker...gl estebanAA
On Dec 14 2006 2:50 PM, Elvis Henry wrote:
> I've seen you play. You're the table maniac at every table you join.
> Your style of play is boom or bust. Sometimes you hit it big, and
> other times you bust out. I quit playing RGP home games because of
> you, and you alone. You do a wonderful job of giving terrible odds to
> any player holding anything less than a pair of queens, I'll give you
> that. But frankly, I've never witnessed a bigger donkey online than
> you.
>
> But as you say, you play for entertainment, and not for a living. Your
> very style of play defeats the notion of "bankroll management." You
> say it's more skill than gambling, and while I've witnessed your
> fearless style of play and have seen it work for you at times, you are,
> at heart, a gambler. A leopard cannot change its spots.
>
> E
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 12:50:27
From: Nimrod
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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A few things stick out to me.
Yes, bad money management
If you love poker as much as you seem to, you may want to focus on
Bankroll Management. You are playing at limits that can burn through
your bankroll in no time. Each limit tends to have its own personality.
Normally, the higher the limit the more aggressive the personality. The
trick is to be used to what kind of reactions are standard plays and
what reactions should cause you to put on the breaks. If you can't play
a limit consistently even after getting your set beat by a boat, then
you lose focus on the personality.
Yes, drinking is bad
At the very least, moderate. If I took out all of the times that I
played poker drunk (or tired for that matter) I would have tripled my
winnings this year. Drinking just makes decisions for you. You really
are not in control and wind up getting into too many hands that you
shouldn't be in. At the very least, when you were 1k to the good and
thought, "should I stop now?" you could have at least started
drinking coffee for a while. I need to improve this behavior myself.
As for the gambling problem
You have a problem if Poker gets in the way of paying bills, going to
work, spending time with Family or if you no longer hang with your
friends on a regular because you would rather be playing poker online.
The good news is, you don't have to quit poker! Just realize that you
need to force yourself to do these other things too. This will also
give you time to clear your head a bit between sessions.
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Date: 14 Dec 20:58:24
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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thanks good points :)
On Dec 14 2006 2:50 PM, Nimrod wrote:
> A few things stick out to me.
> Yes, bad money management
> If you love poker as much as you seem to, you may want to focus on
> Bankroll Management. You are playing at limits that can burn through
> your bankroll in no time. Each limit tends to have its own personality.
> Normally, the higher the limit the more aggressive the personality. The
> trick is to be used to what kind of reactions are standard plays and
> what reactions should cause you to put on the breaks. If you can't play
> a limit consistently even after getting your set beat by a boat, then
> you lose focus on the personality.
> Yes, drinking is bad
> At the very least, moderate. If I took out all of the times that I
> played poker drunk (or tired for that matter) I would have tripled my
> winnings this year. Drinking just makes decisions for you. You really
> are not in control and wind up getting into too many hands that you
> shouldn't be in. At the very least, when you were 1k to the good and
> thought, "should I stop now?" you could have at least started
> drinking coffee for a while. I need to improve this behavior myself.
> As for the gambling problem
> You have a problem if Poker gets in the way of paying bills, going to
> work, spending time with Family or if you no longer hang with your
> friends on a regular because you would rather be playing poker online.
> The good news is, you don't have to quit poker! Just realize that you
> need to force yourself to do these other things too. This will also
> give you time to clear your head a bit between sessions.
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Date: 14 Dec 20:21:39
From: Auburn Sam
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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You may want to take a second look at a few lines you wrote, I'll paraphrase
something I found interesting:
I never gamble or play poker with the rent or food money. But I am willing to
borrow money for entertainment (gamble and play poker), so that I never gamble
with the rent or food money.
You have my email address from march madness, or I allow it to be shown above.
Money management has kept me in the game for 40 years. It's a requirement, not
an option.
I hope the above is considered respect full criticism
Auburn Sam
On Dec 14 2006 11:51 AM, estebanAA wrote:
>
> OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing but
> the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
> its
> a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
> (has
> some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
> logic
> and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong points.I
> also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
> with
> my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
> because
> i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
> full
> to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
> with
> someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a little
> about me .
>
> the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and lose
> .
> there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never where
> its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours -
> playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
> .but
> i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> 300
> or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> it
> into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your account
> -
> mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
> playing
> great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
> kk
> .1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the story
> goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go back
> to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and that
> just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
> mad
> at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
> poker
> for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
>
> i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank manager
> and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he said
> the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
> camera
> kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
> want
> to become that guy .
> \
>
> so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style (drinking
> )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
> -
> dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
> dont
> like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing for
> micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
> break
> even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some nice
> cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance gl
> estebanaa
>
> let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting poker
> is
> the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like to
> continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> helped anyone i would like to hear ..
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Date: 14 Dec 20:55:39
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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it is and thanks . well i see your point - thats what makes me the madest -- i
had the money to repay - i should of and im very sorry i didnt - but its like i
was thinking i enjoy playing higher levels with won money - i would never take
1000 out my bank account to play 10-20 -- i was tring to make more money so that
i could still have plenty in my account and pay back that is my biggest mistake-
followed by playing while drinking then fallowed by playing above my bankroll -
knowing all that and still taking the risk is what i should not of done. As for
the debt i will pay it . just looking for a way to keep my poker fun and
profitable . or if I can then stop playing on-line poker - i dont know about
live poker as i have never played for money the few times it was a bar tourney
and i did very well.....thanks again - e-mail me if you have anymore information
you would like to share -it would be much appricated . gl estebanAA
On Dec 14 2006 2:21 PM, Auburn Sam wrote:
> You may want to take a second look at a few lines you wrote, I'll paraphrase
> something I found interesting:
>
> I never gamble or play poker with the rent or food money. But I am willing to
> borrow money for entertainment (gamble and play poker), so that I never gamble
> with the rent or food money.
>
> You have my email address from march madness, or I allow it to be shown above.
> Money management has kept me in the game for 40 years. It's a requirement, not
> an option.
>
> I hope the above is considered respect full criticism
> Auburn Sam
>
> On Dec 14 2006 11:51 AM, estebanAA wrote:
>
> >
> > OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing
> > but
> > the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
> > its
> > a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
> > (has
> > some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> > --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
> > logic
> > and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong
> > points.I
> > also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> > millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> > business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
> > with
> > my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
> > because
> > i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> > someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
> > full
> > to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> > turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
> > with
> > someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a
> > little
> > about me .
> >
> > the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> > 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and
> > lose
> > .
> > there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never
> > where
> > its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> > should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> > deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> > hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours
> > -
> > playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> > turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> > with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> > beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
> > .but
> > i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> > 300
> > or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> > it
> > into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your
> > account
> > -
> > mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> > have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
> > playing
> > great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
> > kk
> > .1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the
> > story
> > goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go
> > back
> > to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> > have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and
> > that
> > just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
> > mad
> > at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
> > poker
> > for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
> >
> > i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank
> > manager
> > and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he
> > said
> > the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> > money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
> > camera
> > kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> > hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
> > want
> > to become that guy .
> > \
> >
> > so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style
> > (drinking
> > )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> > entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
> > -
> > dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
> > dont
> > like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing
> > for
> > micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
> > break
> > even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some
> > nice
> > cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance
> > gl
> > estebanaa
> >
> > let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
> > poker
> > is
> > the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> > soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like
> > to
> > continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> > helped anyone i would like to hear ..
>
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:16:55
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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"estebanAA" <43084445@recpoker.com > wrote in message
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<snip >
> so my question -- was it bad money management
Did you bring more than 10% of your bankroll to one table?
> -- bad playing style (drinking)
Drinking helps some people... but I personally play like
shit when I drink. Hell, I often play like shit when I don't
drink too! Maybe I should drink, at least then it'll be fun!
>-- or a gambling problem.
You'll have to determine that on your own.
<snip >
> let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing
Learn to manage your bankroll properly, and it will be hard
to go broke.
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Date: 14 Dec 20:14:39
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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I am not going to get all preachy and say you have a gambling problem.
The way i see it is you were excited and riding a high. Beer fuled it was for
sure.
You just have to learn to distance yourself. The only problem I have with what
you did was not paying your debt.
> owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> 300
> or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> it
> into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your account
This is the unforgiveable part. You say you only use money you can afford to
losse but you have an outstanding marker. Are you realisticly looking at your
financial situation? Instead of putting $200 on a poker site to play with and
loose maybe you can put it towards the credit card balance you have or a car
payment or other debt that is preventing you from the next step in your life.
You would be surprised what the rent video game you decided not to return can do
to your credit rating.
I think you need to step back and look at the big picture. Or do what you want
it's your life really it's up to you and you alone. At least you seeking help.
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Date: 14 Dec 20:10:23
From: Chris in Texas
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 1:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
>
> OK first of all everything I'm about to say is the whole truth and nothing but
> the truth . I'm tring to figure out if i have a problem with gambling or if
> its
> a problem with money management. I still think poker is more then gambling
> (has
> some skill and gamesmanship involved) unlike dice - 3 card poker -- slots
> --lottery or any game u know u have a disadvantage in. I'm very smart with
> logic
> and with math . as you can tell spelling and gram are not my strong points.I
> also do very well with reading situations such as business. I can go to a
> millionaires house and talk to him ( where I get his complete trust in
> business). I'm a very respect full person ,I also come off very intelligent
> with
> my business sense. so I get people trust farely easy . another reason is
> because
> i have never tried to burn anyone in my life. I believe what ever you do to
> someone else it will come back to you 2 fold. so I try to be kind and help
> full
> to everyone i meet. also been married or toghter for over 10 years i just
> turned 31 so I'm very stable person who can compromise.everyone know being
> with
> someone for 10+ year takes a lot of work and compromise. so you know a little
> about me .
>
> the problem I have never deposited more the 200.00 at anyone time .I know
> 200 its alot of money but for me its something i can afford to play and lose
> .
> there might be a few time where i should not deposit but do . but never where
> its rent money or something like that - its my entertainment money . where i
> should maybe do something else for entertainment rather then poker. well i
> deposited 150 a couple of day ago -- i turned it into 300 after the first 3
> hours or so . I rollercoastered from 100 - 500 for the next couple of yours -
> playing 10-20 -- 5-10 limit and also 1-2 PLO . so i go to hu table 10-20 and
> turn 111 into 600 bucks . about an hour later. so I'm sitting at my computer
> with 1050 in my account on ftp. Happy as can be - and have about a 6 pack of
> beer in me. i keep telling myself I can turn this into 2k if i keep playing
> .but
> i owe a few rgpers a few 100 bucks . so if i pay them i will be back down to
> 300
> or so . but something in me said keep telling me to keep playing u will turn
> it
> into 2 k in a few hours pay them back and still have over 1000 in your account
> -
> mind you I started out with 150 in my account only 5-6 hours earlier - and i
> have won 2k in a day before so its not like this is the first time. I'm
> playing
> great poker was in a $ 24.00 mtt finished 24th out of 1100 . when my qq meet
> kk
> .1st there was 4k .so i was supper cocky ,and a little drunk . well the story
> goes i go to the 15-30 table lose 400.00 know I'm getting a little mad go back
> to the 10-20 table and boom now I'm losing one hand that comes to mind is I
> have A4 flop 4 8 4 turn k river 7 -- hu great hand he flips over 88 and that
> just about did it . well long story its 2 am i have 0 in my account - I'm so
> mad
> at myself for losing 1000 not the 150 i started . at this point a swear of
> poker
> for life . theres a million i should of i could ofs.
>
> i remember watching a story on dateline where some guy who was a bank manager
> and had lost 5 million of the credit unions money .went one more time he said
> the last time he was going to gamble to a casino with 1 million of the banks
> money after a 7-8 hours had 18 million in chips playing blackjack . the
> camera
> kept rolling every few hours it shows his stack was less and less after 36
> hours he had lost everything incluing the million he started with . I dont
> want
> to become that guy .
> \
>
> so my question -- was it bad money management -- bad playing style (drinking
> )-- or a gambling problem. I enjoy playing poker and its my favorite form of
> entertainment. but if there is something that i can not controll i will quit
> -
> dont know if its because it on-line - have never played live for money . I
> dont
> like playing for free because no one takes it serious . dont like playing for
> micro limits -- i believe I'm a decent player who at the very least should
> break
> even- i have had some great moments with some decent mtt wins --and some nice
> cash game days -- i always start with under 200 -- well thanks in advance gl
> estebanaa
>
> let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting poker
> is
> the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like to
> continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> helped anyone i would like to hear ..
I'll respond in more detail when I can read it a bit more closely, but first
glance it seems you fall victim to the "it's won money, so I'm gonna gamble it
up" attitude. You've already considered your deposit to be entertainment
expense, and you get entertained by going for higher stakes. So, losing money
that, in your opinion, wasn't "yours" in the first place doesn't sting so bad.
Just takes some discipline, IMO.
More later, and don't bet on Broncos, poor Cutler.
Take care (and I'll email you re: Eagle Pass).
Chris
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:18:03
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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> let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
poker is
> the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like to
> continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> helped anyone i would like to hear ..
I'll weigh in here. The only issue that there really is here is that you
haven't paid back debts. The rest is up to you to determine what you want
to do with poker. I see nothing wrong with playing poker for
entertainment, depositing $200, putting all of it on the line, running it
up, moving up in levels, and going broke. That is, I see nothing wrong
with it if your goal with the $200 is to have fun and gain some
entertainment out of it. It's certainly not an overall winning poker
strategy, but it can offer a good deal of entertainment value.
Now, if your goal is to grow a bankroll and play poker to make money while
protecting the bankroll and not going broke, then your problem is bankroll
management. You're playing above your levels and are destined to go
broke, no matter how well you may do moving it up.
A few years ago Irish Mike sent me an email that really put my game into
perspective. It had a lot of information in it, but the bottom line
question he asked is "why do you play poker?" The rest of the email went
on about how people may say one thing about why they play poker, but their
actions are quite different. Some people say they play to make money, yet
their actions on the table prove otherwise. Others say they play for fun,
but they sit and whine about every little thing that goes wrong. That
sort of thing.
So I'll ask you the same question Mike asked me. Why do you play poker?
Now it's up to you to figure out what to do with that answer.
Morphy
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Date: 15 Dec 22:37:00
From: estebanAA
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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TY DONK MASTER
On Dec 15 2006 10:18 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > let me know if theres something i can do to keep playing or if quitting
> poker is
> > the best way thanks all and to the poeple i owe i will take care of you very
> > soon .. any respectfull critism and or advise is appricated - I would like
> > to
> > continue to play so if there is a way to budget time and or money that has
> > helped anyone i would like to hear ..
>
> I'll weigh in here. The only issue that there really is here is that you
> haven't paid back debts. The rest is up to you to determine what you want
> to do with poker. I see nothing wrong with playing poker for
> entertainment, depositing $200, putting all of it on the line, running it
> up, moving up in levels, and going broke. That is, I see nothing wrong
> with it if your goal with the $200 is to have fun and gain some
> entertainment out of it. It's certainly not an overall winning poker
> strategy, but it can offer a good deal of entertainment value.
>
> Now, if your goal is to grow a bankroll and play poker to make money while
> protecting the bankroll and not going broke, then your problem is bankroll
> management. You're playing above your levels and are destined to go
> broke, no matter how well you may do moving it up.
>
> A few years ago Irish Mike sent me an email that really put my game into
> perspective. It had a lot of information in it, but the bottom line
> question he asked is "why do you play poker?" The rest of the email went
> on about how people may say one thing about why they play poker, but their
> actions are quite different. Some people say they play to make money, yet
> their actions on the table prove otherwise. Others say they play for fun,
> but they sit and whine about every little thing that goes wrong. That
> sort of thing.
>
> So I'll ask you the same question Mike asked me. Why do you play poker?
> Now it's up to you to figure out what to do with that answer.
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 11:54:35
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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On Dec 14 2006 12:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
Esteban,
You do play too high. So high that a simple bad of slightly bad luck will
wipe you out (losing 2 contested pots in a row)
Although I don't think that I am one that you owe money to, I was very
disappointed to read that the thought of cashing out to pay people back
crossed your mind while playing, but that you played anyway. That is a
very low thing to do, IMO.
I don't think that you will ever be able to change you style of play, or
to become a truly disciplined, long term winner, but at least if you pay
off your debts, then you can truly treat your gambling as the
entertainment that it is, and not feel like such a shitbag afterwards.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:50:50
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Need real Advise
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"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> On Dec 14 2006 12:51 PM, estebanAA wrote:
>
> Esteban,
>
> You do play too high. So high that a simple bad of slightly bad luck will
> wipe you out (losing 2 contested pots in a row)
>
> Although I don't think that I am one that you owe money to,
If you were, you're probably not anymore!!! ;-)
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