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Date: 27 Nov 2006 23:15:18
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: NL Overs
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I went to Louisiana over Thanksgiving and drove across the river to
Vicksburg, Mississippi to play some poker. Pretty slim pickins there. The
only poker room I was told was at the Horizon and that's where I went. I
like the card room itself (been there before) but the action was sparse.
They had a NL and a 3-6 going.
No seats in the NL so I had to play 3-6 since I drove there and didn't want
to dump money at craps. The game was tight, tight, tight, till a few of the
short-buy rocks busted out and a couple of action kids came in. These guys
were true poker-boomers, young, analyzing every hand, taking their time to
stare down opponents---in a 3-6 limit game.
One guy got his aces cracked and shrugged it off with the observation that
there was no such thing as luck and that if he played a million hands over
his lifetime that little loss wouldn't amount to anything.
Anyway, I noticed the overs buttons in the dealer tray and asked what those
were. Gee, I said, that's pretty cool. Does anyone want to play with
overs? Me and four others did, including of course the young turks. But
what kind of overs? Does it go to 6-12, pot limit? Everyone wanted to play
No Limit overs, although one of the young guys was concerned about
calculating the "pot odds" in a game that started out 3-6 and then could
move to NL. I didn't really give a shit about pot odds in the game, but
playing 3-6 with NL overs was interesting. A game like 20-40 with NL overs
would be really intersting with deep stacks, but the 3-6 with NL overs was
pretty fun.
One of the young guys flopped a set with his small pocket pair twice in
about four hands and had his hand cracked both times by players making the
standard, inexplicable 3-6 plays that hit whatever they were drawing to on
the turn or river. I didn't have any memorable hands and the young guys got
bored with it after a couple of hours and went and played blackjack, but it
was interesting while it lasted.
For some reason, I've been able to beat 3-6 pretty regularly and cashed out
$185 and left.
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Date: 28 Nov 10:13:58
From: Big Dave
Subject: Re: NL Overs
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I've never heard of N\L overs...........A normal over button usually doubles the
limit.
Where I deal it's $4-8 which becomes $8-16 when a betting round STARTS with only
people with overs buttons are left in the hand. I have seen a 1\2 overs rule
where $4-8 would become $6-12.
Unfortunatly here in Washington the largest poker limit allowed is $12-24 unless
you go to the Indian Casinos which spread N\L.
FYI = For anyone thinking of using this in a home game, remember a round MUST
start with ONLY overs players involved for it to come into effect. The limit
CAN'T change in the middle of a betting round. (when the last non-overs guy
folds).
That would mean the guys acting in front of the last non-overs guys don't have
the option of an overs bet or raise while guys acting after him would, if he
folds.
Also, at least at our place, the overs bet is not mandatory, but optional. When
the 1st overs bet or raise is made, then you are locked into the overs for the
remainder of that hand. The 1st to act could make a normal bet and the next guy
could make an overs raise, thus locking it in.
GL, 1BigDave
On Nov 27 2006 9:15 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
> I went to Louisiana over Thanksgiving and drove across the river to
> Vicksburg, Mississippi to play some poker. Pretty slim pickins there. The
> only poker room I was told was at the Horizon and that's where I went. I
> like the card room itself (been there before) but the action was sparse.
> They had a NL and a 3-6 going.
>
> No seats in the NL so I had to play 3-6 since I drove there and didn't want
> to dump money at craps. The game was tight, tight, tight, till a few of the
> short-buy rocks busted out and a couple of action kids came in. These guys
> were true poker-boomers, young, analyzing every hand, taking their time to
> stare down opponents---in a 3-6 limit game.
>
> One guy got his aces cracked and shrugged it off with the observation that
> there was no such thing as luck and that if he played a million hands over
> his lifetime that little loss wouldn't amount to anything.
>
> Anyway, I noticed the overs buttons in the dealer tray and asked what those
> were. Gee, I said, that's pretty cool. Does anyone want to play with
> overs? Me and four others did, including of course the young turks. But
> what kind of overs? Does it go to 6-12, pot limit? Everyone wanted to play
> No Limit overs, although one of the young guys was concerned about
> calculating the "pot odds" in a game that started out 3-6 and then could
> move to NL. I didn't really give a shit about pot odds in the game, but
> playing 3-6 with NL overs was interesting. A game like 20-40 with NL overs
> would be really intersting with deep stacks, but the 3-6 with NL overs was
> pretty fun.
>
> One of the young guys flopped a set with his small pocket pair twice in
> about four hands and had his hand cracked both times by players making the
> standard, inexplicable 3-6 plays that hit whatever they were drawing to on
> the turn or river. I didn't have any memorable hands and the young guys got
> bored with it after a couple of hours and went and played blackjack, but it
> was interesting while it lasted.
>
> For some reason, I've been able to beat 3-6 pretty regularly and cashed out
> $185 and left.
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Date: 28 Nov 20:14:33
From: moneymike
Subject: Re: NL Overs
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So....could someone explain to me what "overs" is? It sounds similiar to a
kill, but not quite.
thanks
On Nov 28 2006 4:13 AM, Big Dave wrote:
> I've never heard of N\L overs...........A normal over button usually doubles
> the
> limit.
>
> Where I deal it's $4-8 which becomes $8-16 when a betting round STARTS with
> only
> people with overs buttons are left in the hand. I have seen a 1\2 overs rule
> where $4-8 would become $6-12.
>
> Unfortunatly here in Washington the largest poker limit allowed is $12-24
> unless
> you go to the Indian Casinos which spread N\L.
>
> FYI = For anyone thinking of using this in a home game, remember a round MUST
> start with ONLY overs players involved for it to come into effect. The limit
> CAN'T change in the middle of a betting round. (when the last non-overs guy
> folds).
>
> That would mean the guys acting in front of the last non-overs guys don't have
> the option of an overs bet or raise while guys acting after him would, if he
> folds.
>
> Also, at least at our place, the overs bet is not mandatory, but optional.
> When
> the 1st overs bet or raise is made, then you are locked into the overs for the
> remainder of that hand. The 1st to act could make a normal bet and the next
> guy
> could make an overs raise, thus locking it in.
>
> GL, 1BigDave
>
> On Nov 27 2006 9:15 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
> > I went to Louisiana over Thanksgiving and drove across the river to
> > Vicksburg, Mississippi to play some poker. Pretty slim pickins there. The
> > only poker room I was told was at the Horizon and that's where I went. I
> > like the card room itself (been there before) but the action was sparse.
> > They had a NL and a 3-6 going.
> >
> > No seats in the NL so I had to play 3-6 since I drove there and didn't want
> > to dump money at craps. The game was tight, tight, tight, till a few of the
> >
> > short-buy rocks busted out and a couple of action kids came in. These guys
> > were true poker-boomers, young, analyzing every hand, taking their time to
> > stare down opponents---in a 3-6 limit game.
> >
> > One guy got his aces cracked and shrugged it off with the observation that
> > there was no such thing as luck and that if he played a million hands over
> > his lifetime that little loss wouldn't amount to anything.
> >
> > Anyway, I noticed the overs buttons in the dealer tray and asked what those
> > were. Gee, I said, that's pretty cool. Does anyone want to play with
> > overs? Me and four others did, including of course the young turks. But
> > what kind of overs? Does it go to 6-12, pot limit? Everyone wanted to play
> >
> > No Limit overs, although one of the young guys was concerned about
> > calculating the "pot odds" in a game that started out 3-6 and then could
> > move to NL. I didn't really give a shit about pot odds in the game, but
> > playing 3-6 with NL overs was interesting. A game like 20-40 with NL overs
> > would be really intersting with deep stacks, but the 3-6 with NL overs was
> > pretty fun.
> >
> > One of the young guys flopped a set with his small pocket pair twice in
> > about four hands and had his hand cracked both times by players making the
> > standard, inexplicable 3-6 plays that hit whatever they were drawing to on
> > the turn or river. I didn't have any memorable hands and the young guys got
> >
> > bored with it after a couple of hours and went and played blackjack, but it
> > was interesting while it lasted.
> >
> > For some reason, I've been able to beat 3-6 pretty regularly and cashed out
> > $185 and left.
>
>
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Date: 28 Nov
From: Tanya AKA MissT74
Subject: Re: NL Overs
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We play with over buttons in Laughlin regularly and it's always NL overs. I've
never heard of it being any other way.
T
On Nov 27 2006 10:15 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
> I went to Louisiana over Thanksgiving and drove across the river to
> Vicksburg, Mississippi to play some poker. Pretty slim pickins there. The
> only poker room I was told was at the Horizon and that's where I went. I
> like the card room itself (been there before) but the action was sparse.
> They had a NL and a 3-6 going.
>
> No seats in the NL so I had to play 3-6 since I drove there and didn't want
> to dump money at craps. The game was tight, tight, tight, till a few of the
> short-buy rocks busted out and a couple of action kids came in. These guys
> were true poker-boomers, young, analyzing every hand, taking their time to
> stare down opponents---in a 3-6 limit game.
>
> One guy got his aces cracked and shrugged it off with the observation that
> there was no such thing as luck and that if he played a million hands over
> his lifetime that little loss wouldn't amount to anything.
>
> Anyway, I noticed the overs buttons in the dealer tray and asked what those
> were. Gee, I said, that's pretty cool. Does anyone want to play with
> overs? Me and four others did, including of course the young turks. But
> what kind of overs? Does it go to 6-12, pot limit? Everyone wanted to play
> No Limit overs, although one of the young guys was concerned about
> calculating the "pot odds" in a game that started out 3-6 and then could
> move to NL. I didn't really give a shit about pot odds in the game, but
> playing 3-6 with NL overs was interesting. A game like 20-40 with NL overs
> would be really intersting with deep stacks, but the 3-6 with NL overs was
> pretty fun.
>
> One of the young guys flopped a set with his small pocket pair twice in
> about four hands and had his hand cracked both times by players making the
> standard, inexplicable 3-6 plays that hit whatever they were drawing to on
> the turn or river. I didn't have any memorable hands and the young guys got
> bored with it after a couple of hours and went and played blackjack, but it
> was interesting while it lasted.
>
> For some reason, I've been able to beat 3-6 pretty regularly and cashed out
> $185 and left.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 11:46:36
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: NL Overs
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"Tanya AKA MissT74" <43084303@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1164705184$912192@recpoker.com...
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> We play with over buttons in Laughlin regularly and it's always NL overs.
I've
> never heard of it being any other way.
Interesting. That must be a "poker boom" thing. I'm pretty sure Big Dave
has it right. The usual way overs are played is that the bets are doubled.
When the Beau Rivage first opened in Biloxi they had a very nice poker room
and I played 20-40 HE there with overs that went to 40-80.
Until last week I had never conetmplated overs going to NL. It's an
interesting game from a strategy standpoint.
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Date: 28 Nov 18:37:21
From: Tanya AKA MissT74
Subject: Re: NL Overs
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On Nov 28 2006 10:46 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
> "Tanya AKA MissT74" <43084303@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> news:1164705184$912192@recpoker.com...
> >
> > We play with over buttons in Laughlin regularly and it's always NL overs.
> I've
> > never heard of it being any other way.
>
>
>
> Interesting. That must be a "poker boom" thing.
Can't be, it was in effect before the "boom". At least for the past 5 years that
I played there, and the "boom" really happened 3-4 years ago.
T
I'm pretty sure Big Dave
> has it right. The usual way overs are played is that the bets are doubled.
> When the Beau Rivage first opened in Biloxi they had a very nice poker room
> and I played 20-40 HE there with overs that went to 40-80.
>
> Until last week I had never conetmplated overs going to NL. It's an
> interesting game from a strategy standpoint.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:47:22
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: NL Overs
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If I am reading this correct sometimes it played @ GREEKTOWN and
MOTORCITY, but is called kill not overs. Same thing?
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Date: 28 Nov 21:24:31
From: Tanya AKA MissT74
Subject: Re: NL Overs
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On Nov 28 2006 1:47 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> If I am reading this correct sometimes it played @ GREEKTOWN and
> MOTORCITY, but is called kill not overs. Same thing?
"Overs" is when you're given a button and if you are in the hand and the only
players left in the pot all have an "overs" button in front of them, then the
betting turns to no limit.
Kill game is something totally different, where the betting increases by one big
bet, for the next hand only, after 2 hands are won in a row (for example).
I think the entire thread is getting the confusion between overs and kill game.
T
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