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Date: 14 Dec
From: The Fred
Subject: Lightbulbs, cost of operating. An off topic post - it'll fit right in..
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I say that light bulbs cost little to nothing to operate
indoors when it is cold outside and you're heating your home
any way.
For one thing, even in the summer time the cost of
operating a light bulb or ten is nothing to jump up and down
about. Maybe to welfare cases living on $60 / month I
suppose.
Any way, I say that when you're heating your home
anyway, since lightbulbs waste 90% of the energy they use
producing excess heat- and the other 10% used also produces
heat- they don't cost any thing to run.. If electricity is
less expensive in your market than gas heat, light bulbs
actually save you money (Not considering the cost of the
bulbs themselves- but the less often you play with them
turning them on and off, the longer they do last).
Am I right?
I know that light bulbs are a slight loss in summer
time.. but I still don't understand why fools are so .. what
do people call it these days .. ?anal?.. about TURN OFF MY
LIGHT IN THERE when you're over at their house
I was in an argument discussion debate for over half an
hour about this the other day, which was a big waste of
time, but I never have to do anything so I have time.
I'm saying, man listen, stupid, you make 150 a year, drive
10MPG trucks that never carry any cargo or learn what
unpaved roads are like and you worry about a light bulb..
good lord.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 06:12:13
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Lightbulbs, cost of operating. An off topic post - it'll fit right in..
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> I was in an argument discussion debate for over half an
> hour about this the other day, which was a big waste of
> time, but I never have to do anything so I have time.
> I'm saying, man listen, stupid, you make 150 a year, drive
> 10MPG trucks that never carry any cargo or learn what
> unpaved roads are like and you worry about a light bulb..
> good lord.
You're correct, but it doesn't matter. I have 3 100 watt bulbs that I
leave on outside all night. Juice is $.09 per kilowatt/hour here. So, it
costs me $.27 per night to burn those babies for 10 hours. Fuck if I'm
going to worry about it if it has a chance of makeing some drug addicted
scumbag to rob the house 3 doors down rather than mine.
On the flip side, it seems silly to leave the lights on inside if you're
not there no matter how cheap it is. There is also an environmental cost
as my juice is made from a natural gas plant about 3 miles downwind from
me.
Back in the 70s during the oil crisis most people didn't put up Christmas
lights to "conserve energy". That was fucking retarded.
Dean
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 10:28:26
From: Randy Hudson
Subject: Re: Lightbulbs, cost of operating. An off topic post - it'll fit right in..
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In article <1166084632$921625@recpoker.com >,
The Fred <43084305@recpoker.com > wrote:
> I say that light bulbs cost little to nothing to operate
> indoors when it is cold outside and you're heating your home
> any way.
If you're using electric resistance heating, you're approximately right (the
light bulb itself has a cost of a few cents per hundred hours of use, more
than the similar usage-caused depreciation of a modern electric heater.)
But rather few households depend entirely of electric resistance heating. A
heat pump is 60-80% cheaper in most of the US, and gas or oil run 40-70%
cheaper depending on local relative prices of fossil fuels and electricity.
> For one thing, even in the summer time the cost of
> operating a light bulb or ten is nothing to jump up and down
> about.
Correct (though if you're air conditioning, the effective electric usage of
the bulb once you add back the extra air conditioning load is about 35%
higher than the rated wattage).
Assume a 75-watt bulb, and 12-cent per kilowatt-hour electricity. Then
every 11 hours the bulb burns costs about ten cents not counting air
conditioning costs, and every 8 hours costs that 10 cents including air
conditioning costs. If the bulb's heat is replacing natural gas heating
which would cost 40% as much, then the net cost of the bulb is ten cents
every 19 hours or so.
> If electricity is less expensive in your market than gas heat,
Perhaps if you are using bottled propane for house heating? I don't think
natural gas costs more than electricity anywhere in the US.
> I know that light bulbs are a slight loss in summer
> time.. but I still don't understand why fools are so .. what
> do people call it these days .. ?anal?.. about TURN OFF MY
> LIGHT IN THERE when you're over at their house
Now you're asking about psychology, not physics. You demonstrate respect by
not wasting someone else's electricity, however cheap that electricity may
be. And by making an issue of it, they are demanding you show them that
respect, either because they sense (or have in the past sensed) a lack of
respect, or because giving orders satisfies a need for control.
Either way, it's not something you can argue about; the disrespect shown by
wasting something of someone else's is still disrespect, whether the wasted
resource cost one cent or ten dollars.
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Randy Hudson
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 17:12:34
From: sng
Subject: Re: Lightbulbs, cost of operating. An off topic post - it'll fit
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The Fred wrote:
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> Any way, I say that when you're heating your home
> anyway, since lightbulbs waste 90% of the energy they use
> producing excess heat- and the other 10% used also produces
> heat- they don't cost any thing to run.
Just because 90% of is wasted through heat creation. Doesn't mean that
the heat created was created very efficiently and doesn't mean the bulbs
didn't cost any thing to run.
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S. Doyle
doyles AT mountaincable DOT net
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