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Date: 03 Dec 2006 13:36:52
From: NeverMe
Subject: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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This is not a hand blah, just a simple question. Past 7 tournaments I
have played on PS I have been all in late in the event only to have
someone catch 1 or 2 outer to beat me. Twice I flopped top set to get
beat by quads one was runner runner. This is not real poker it is a
game all of its own. The games is not fixed, at least in the since
that PS picks the winner, but in fact that no one will convince me that
shuffle and deal is truly random. One of the major concepts of this
game is to get your money in with the best hand. I am in with the best
in fact with massive edges.
Most of my play is live, granted not as many hands. But what has been
happening on PS is not even close to what experence live.
I just do not think it is profitable to try and adjust to do better on
PS. That kind of adjustment would be damaging to my live play. I play
small stakes online and 200.00-400.00 buyin NLHE live. The games are
not really compatable, but the general rules of probability should be
the same.
One more thing I have notice, I don't seem to have the totally insane
suckouts on two other sites I play on.
Guess this is just a bitch, but I am really starting to question PS and
what it possibly could do to damage my game.
McSock
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 21:44:19
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Lets say on every hand there is someone who is only 20% to make the
hand. This means that 1 out of 5 hands they hit. Or twice a round.
The problem is that on Pokerstars, as many places online, there is MUCH
more bluffing online than offline. There are many many more calls
online than offline, and it tends to pay, because of the large number of
bluffs, there are MORE people making bad calls against good hands online
than off. This means that there are more bad beats.
As long as you have people that make aggressive overbets on nothing,
there will be the callers.
Offline you do not see this behavior nearly as much. This means there
are a lot more folders/believers. There are simply not as many bad beats.
For cash play, reload and get your chips back. In tourneys, you need to
reconsider how to play small stacks. You are not going to get the
same respect, which means that you will be beat more often, and being
beat with a small stack means that you are out. Another consideration,
is to not play as tight, so that you can avoid small stack play.
Online play is often much different than offline play. Play the
metagame, the online players are making mistakes, adjust your game to
the mistakes. You can win. Identify the mistakes and take advantage.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 04:20:28
From: Charlie Foxtrot
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:44:19 -0800, johnny T <Nobody@home.com > wrote:
>Lets say on every hand there is someone who is only 20% to make the
>hand. This means that 1 out of 5 hands they hit. Or twice a round.
>
You know what I find hilarious? All the "It just CAN'T BE RIGGED!
THAT WOULD BE FOOLISH!" shills always use this type of argument.
Learn what these numbers mean. A one in five chance does not mean
that it will occur one out of every five times. Wouldn't it be nice
if we could just count how many times the favored hand holds up and
then fold anything, knowing that it's time for the donk to suck out.
No, a one in five chance means that the chances of it occurring are
very slim compared to the chances of it NOT occurring. In other
words, in the short run, one should see a 20 percenter hit far fewer
times than one out of five.
Point is, if the suckouts are occurring at or very close to their
statistical average ALL THE TIME - as they seem to do on Poker Stars -
something is very much a miss.
>The problem is that on Pokerstars, as many places online, there is MUCH
>more bluffing online than offline. There are many many more calls
>online than offline, and it tends to pay, because of the large number of
>bluffs, there are MORE people making bad calls against good hands online
>than off. This means that there are more bad beats.
>
I'm sure the people running the online poker sites are glad that so
many of you buy, so completely, into this total bullshit theory.
There's plenty of idiots bluffing their any two in card rooms all
around the world. They are the people who make playing poker a very
profitable game. Why? Because in real life, hands with a 20% chance
of sucking out don't suck out at anywhere near the 20% rate! And they
shouldn't. Like I said, a hand that's 20% to suckout DOES NOT MEAN
THAT IT DOES IT EXACTLY ONE OUT OF EVERY FIVE TIMES. It means that,
in all likelihood, it's not going to happen. When it does, it's rare.
And from the beginning of time to infinity, it might average out to
somewhere around 20% but don't count on it.
If it did, there would not be "randomness" in card playing. It would
be very much not random if the numbers matched up close to their
statistical odds.
Blast away, true believers.
Foxtrot
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 15:19:04
From: NeverMe
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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I think this is a very wise statement XaQ. A change to locations is in
order.
McSock
XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > Read what I am saying.....suckouts happen, BUT they have become the
> > norm on PS.
> > I try not to fill this new group with the normal troll dribble. If you
> > are going to respond atleast have the inteligence to read what I said
> > and what I am asking. Then flame away. I can deal with the flame, but
> > not stupidity.
>
> Speaking of stupidity...if you think something is not right, don't play
> there. How stupid do you have to be to think there's something not right
> there yet continue to keep playing?
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 14:15:35
From: NeverMe
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Read what I am saying.....suckouts happen, BUT they have become the
norm on PS.
I try not to fill this new group with the normal troll dribble. If you
are going to respond atleast have the inteligence to read what I said
and what I am asking. Then flame away. I can deal with the flame, but
not stupidity.
McSock
mccard wrote:
> "NeverMe" <mcsock@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1165182827.078409.242130@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > Exactly!!!
> > I know it happens, but on PS it has become the norm. You just can not
> > play good poker without something crazy happening.
> >
> > McSock
> >
> So if you never caught a suckout, would you play?
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 16:50:47
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Ah, so by the norm you meant something more scientific than just my troll
dribble. Perhaps you could post a statistically significant sample and show
me the "norm" you speak of.
"NeverMe" <mcsock@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:1165184135.550394.75570@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Read what I am saying.....suckouts happen, BUT they have become the
> norm on PS.
> I try not to fill this new group with the normal troll dribble. If you
> are going to respond atleast have the inteligence to read what I said
> and what I am asking. Then flame away. I can deal with the flame, but
> not stupidity.
>
> McSock
>
> mccard wrote:
>> "NeverMe" <mcsock@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1165182827.078409.242130@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>> > Exactly!!!
>> > I know it happens, but on PS it has become the norm. You just can not
>> > play good poker without something crazy happening.
>> >
>> > McSock
>> >
>> So if you never caught a suckout, would you play?
>
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 14:35:13
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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> Read what I am saying.....suckouts happen, BUT they have become the
> norm on PS.
> I try not to fill this new group with the normal troll dribble. If you
> are going to respond atleast have the inteligence to read what I said
> and what I am asking. Then flame away. I can deal with the flame, but
> not stupidity.
Speaking of stupidity...if you think something is not right, don't play
there. How stupid do you have to be to think there's something not right
there yet continue to keep playing?
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 13:53:47
From: NeverMe
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Exactly!!!
I know it happens, but on PS it has become the norm. You just can not
play good poker without something crazy happening.
McSock
cquinn wrote:
> Do you mean like this? $215 down the tubes this morning
> Qdog223
>
> PokerStars Game #7284323926: Tournament #36747035, $200+$15 Hold'em No
> Limit - Level IX (800/1600) - 2006/12/03 - 15:09:29 (ET)
> Table '36747035 74' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
> Seat 1: Acechaser64 (104660 in chips)
> Seat 2: Qdog223 (12175 in chips)
> Seat 3: ElRupert (28490 in chips)
> Seat 4: Andr4w (62200 in chips)
> Seat 5: uncledrkmeat (39280 in chips)
> Seat 6: meanmoe26 (7800 in chips)
> Seat 7: SHOCKNALL (35660 in chips)
> Seat 8: MIKE D 2U (23180 in chips)
> Acechaser64: posts the ante 80
> Qdog223: posts the ante 80
> ElRupert: posts the ante 80
> Andr4w: posts the ante 80
> uncledrkmeat: posts the ante 80
> meanmoe26: posts the ante 80
> SHOCKNALL: posts the ante 80
> MIKE D 2U: posts the ante 80
> SHOCKNALL: posts small blind 800
> MIKE D 2U: posts big blind 1600
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Qdog223 [As Jc]
> Acechaser64: folds
> vballer06 is connected
> Qdog223: raises 3200 to 4800
> ElRupert said, "lol"
> ElRupert: calls 4800
> Andr4w: folds
> uncledrkmeat: folds
> meanmoe26: folds
> SHOCKNALL: folds
> ElRupert said, "hows it giong?"
> MIKE D 2U: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Jh 7h Js]
> Andr4w said, "sorry mate"
> Qdog223: bets 3200
> ElRupert: raises 8000 to 11200
> Andr4w said, "ok now lol"
> Qdog223: calls 4095 and is all-in
> ElRupert said, "cool"
> *** TURN *** [Jh 7h Js] [Td]
> Andr4w said, "fk"
> *** RIVER *** [Jh 7h Js Td] [Kh]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Qdog223: shows [As Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
> ElRupert: shows [Ks Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
> Andr4w said, "looooooooool"
> ElRupert collected 27230 from pot
> ElRupert said, "3rd 2 outer i hit so far"
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 27230
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 16:02:54
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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"NeverMe" <mcsock@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:1165182827.078409.242130@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> Exactly!!!
> I know it happens, but on PS it has become the norm. You just can not
> play good poker without something crazy happening.
>
> McSock
>
So if you never caught a suckout, would you play?
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 15:42:50
From: cquinn
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Do you mean like this? $215 down the tubes this morning
Qdog223
PokerStars Game #7284323926: Tournament #36747035, $200+$15 Hold'em No
Limit - Level IX (800/1600) - 2006/12/03 - 15:09:29 (ET)
Table '36747035 74' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Acechaser64 (104660 in chips)
Seat 2: Qdog223 (12175 in chips)
Seat 3: ElRupert (28490 in chips)
Seat 4: Andr4w (62200 in chips)
Seat 5: uncledrkmeat (39280 in chips)
Seat 6: meanmoe26 (7800 in chips)
Seat 7: SHOCKNALL (35660 in chips)
Seat 8: MIKE D 2U (23180 in chips)
Acechaser64: posts the ante 80
Qdog223: posts the ante 80
ElRupert: posts the ante 80
Andr4w: posts the ante 80
uncledrkmeat: posts the ante 80
meanmoe26: posts the ante 80
SHOCKNALL: posts the ante 80
MIKE D 2U: posts the ante 80
SHOCKNALL: posts small blind 800
MIKE D 2U: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Qdog223 [As Jc]
Acechaser64: folds
vballer06 is connected
Qdog223: raises 3200 to 4800
ElRupert said, "lol"
ElRupert: calls 4800
Andr4w: folds
uncledrkmeat: folds
meanmoe26: folds
SHOCKNALL: folds
ElRupert said, "hows it giong?"
MIKE D 2U: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 7h Js]
Andr4w said, "sorry mate"
Qdog223: bets 3200
ElRupert: raises 8000 to 11200
Andr4w said, "ok now lol"
Qdog223: calls 4095 and is all-in
ElRupert said, "cool"
*** TURN *** [Jh 7h Js] [Td]
Andr4w said, "fk"
*** RIVER *** [Jh 7h Js Td] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Qdog223: shows [As Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
ElRupert: shows [Ks Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
Andr4w said, "looooooooool"
ElRupert collected 27230 from pot
ElRupert said, "3rd 2 outer i hit so far"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 27230
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 21:21:37
From: cquinn
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Or like this hand? When the donk turned over his 77, I knew the next card
out was going to be a 7. This is all in a day's work at Poker Stars.
Similiar hands are every hour.
Qdog223
PokerStars Game #7290677394: Tournament #37171044, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/03 - 22:18:35 (ET)
Table '37171044 7' 8-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: lesterdrugs (2900 in chips)
Seat 2: stapel (1135 in chips)
Seat 3: paramedicweb (1695 in chips)
Seat 4: Qdog223 (1345 in chips)
Seat 5: allacut (4925 in chips)
lesterdrugs: posts small blind 25
stapel: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Qdog223 [6s 6h]
paramedicweb: calls 50
Qdog223: calls 50
allacut: folds
lesterdrugs: calls 25
stapel: raises 150 to 200
paramedicweb: calls 150
Qdog223: calls 150
lesterdrugs: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 6c Td]
stapel: bets 250
paramedicweb: calls 250
Qdog223: raises 895 to 1145 and is all-in
stapel: folds
paramedicweb: calls 895
*** TURN *** [Tc 6c Td] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 6c Td 7s] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
paramedicweb: shows [7d 7c] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
Qdog223: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Tens)
lesterdrugs said, "ugh"
paramedicweb collected 3190 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3190
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 06:04:28
From: skillsaw777
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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"Pokerstars is engineered to balance play between good and bad players
so that more money stays in the middle and the rake potential is
maximized."
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 09:25:42
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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skillsaw777 wrote:
> "Pokerstars is engineered to balance play between good and bad players
> so that more money stays in the middle and the rake potential is
> maximized."
>
It's a tourney, they have already collected the rake...
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:03:44
From: Signal
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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"skillsaw777" <luckysevenouts@hotmail.com > wrote:
>"Pokerstars is engineered to balance play between good and bad players
>so that more money stays in the middle and the rake potential is
>maximized."
What doth this engineering entail, ffs?
--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 05:01:59
From: Red Oak
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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I have been keeping stats on my tournament bustout hands since Oct 11,
2006. I log my average % expected win rate when all the money goes in.
On average after 283 all-ins, I have been a 58.3% favorite to win on
average yet I am only winning 50.32% of the time. The odds against
running this bad or worse is 285-1 against. (MS Excell, BINOMDIST) I
have 142.5 wins out of 283 all ins. (I count ties as .5 win .5 loss) I
am a full 22.5 wins below expectation. Amazingly, I am up about 2k
during this run, with average buyin of about $40. I could easily be up
3-5 times that had I had a win rate equal to my average 58.3% advantage
when all the money went in.
With an allin average of 58.3%, I should be 4.64 times more likely to
win a tournament than by pure chance. But after 600 tournaments, I have
only won one. ( a $135 buyin, 42 player winner take all for a $12,500
WSOP seat package)
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 05:17:40
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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On Dec 4 2006 2:01 PM, Red Oak wrote:
> I have been keeping stats on my tournament bustout hands since Oct 11,
> 2006. I log my average % expected win rate when all the money goes in.
> On average after 283 all-ins, I have been a 58.3% favorite to win on
> average yet I am only winning 50.32% of the time.
i have been keeping stats on my tournament bustout hands since i started
playing, and i found i lose EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, doesn't matter if
i'm 60% favorite, 80%, even 95% !
it's rigged ! rigged i say.
-Alexander Knopf
http://www.xyious.com/?links
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 08:24:50
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 05:17:40 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>On Dec 4 2006 2:01 PM, Red Oak wrote:
>> I have been keeping stats on my tournament bustout hands since Oct 11,
>> 2006. I log my average % expected win rate when all the money goes in.
>> On average after 283 all-ins, I have been a 58.3% favorite to win on
>> average yet I am only winning 50.32% of the time.
>i have been keeping stats on my tournament bustout hands since i started
>playing, and i found i lose EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, doesn't matter if
>i'm 60% favorite, 80%, even 95% !
>it's rigged ! rigged i say.
Profound! This is why statistical analysis doesn't show any bias.
After all, they don't rig ALL the hands, only the ones you bust out on.
You think someone would have noticed this before.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:02:09
From: Signal
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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"Red Oak" <tomaol@yahoo.com > wrote:
>I have been keeping stats on my tournament bustout hands since Oct 11,
>2006. I log my average % expected win rate when all the money goes in.
>On average after 283 all-ins, I have been a 58.3% favorite to win on
>average yet I am only winning 50.32% of the time. The odds against
>running this bad or worse is 285-1 against. (MS Excell, BINOMDIST)
All we need now is for 284 ppl to post alternative results, and all is
well.. ;-)
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S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 21:07:59
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Charlie Foxtrot wrote:
> No, a one in five chance means that the chances of it occurring are
> very slim compared to the chances of it NOT occurring. In other
> words, in the short run, one should see a 20 percenter hit far fewer
> times than one out of five.
umm... In every short run?
> They are the people who make playing poker a very
> profitable game. Why? Because in real life, hands with a 20% chance
> of sucking out don't suck out at anywhere near the 20% rate!
uhh... What rate do they suck out at?
> And they shouldn't. Like I said, a hand that's 20% to suckout DOES NOT MEAN
> THAT IT DOES IT EXACTLY ONE OUT OF EVERY FIVE TIMES. It means that,
> in all likelihood, it's not going to happen. When it does, it's rare.
> And from the beginning of time to infinity, it might average out to
> somewhere around 20% but don't count on it.
huh. What do you think it averages out to?
>
> If it did, there would not be "randomness" in card playing. It would
> be very much not random if the numbers matched up close to their
> statistical odds.
>
> Blast away, true believers.
>
> Foxtrot
My head hurts.
Mike
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 12:07:05
From: Red Oak
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Correction.... I meant to say, I have been tracking my tournament
ALL-INS, not just bustouts. If I or my opponent is all in, I then
freeze the action, look at the cards, and determine who is ahead. I
then record the results. Doing this I find, that when I get all my
money in, I am on average a 58.3% to 41.7% favorite, yet I am only
winning 50.32% of the time. Sorry for the confusion.
xyious wrote:
> On Dec 4 2006 2:01 PM, Red Oak wrote:
> > I have been keeping stats on my tournament bustout hands since Oct 11,
> > 2006. I log my average % expected win rate when all the money goes in.
> > On average after 283 all-ins, I have been a 58.3% favorite to win on
> > average yet I am only winning 50.32% of the time.
>
> i have been keeping stats on my tournament bustout hands since i started
> playing, and i found i lose EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, doesn't matter if
> i'm 60% favorite, 80%, even 95% !
> it's rigged ! rigged i say.
>
>
>
> -Alexander Knopf
> http://www.xyious.com/?links
>
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 11:40:09
From:
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Heh, sorry about that it's pretty horrendous. I went on to bubble if
it makes you feel better.
On Dec 3, 4:42 pm, "cquinn" <cqu...@cox.net > wrote:
> Do you mean like this? $215 down the tubes this morning
> Qdog223
>
> PokerStars Game #7284323926: Tournament #36747035, $200+$15 Hold'em No
> Limit - Level IX (800/1600) - 2006/12/03 - 15:09:29 (ET)
> Table '36747035 74' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
> Seat 1: Acechaser64 (104660 in chips)
> Seat 2: Qdog223 (12175 in chips)
> Seat 3: ElRupert (28490 in chips)
> Seat 4: Andr4w (62200 in chips)
> Seat 5: uncledrkmeat (39280 in chips)
> Seat 6: meanmoe26 (7800 in chips)
> Seat 7: SHOCKNALL (35660 in chips)
> Seat 8: MIKE D 2U (23180 in chips)
> Acechaser64: posts the ante 80
> Qdog223: posts the ante 80
> ElRupert: posts the ante 80
> Andr4w: posts the ante 80
> uncledrkmeat: posts the ante 80
> meanmoe26: posts the ante 80
> SHOCKNALL: posts the ante 80
> MIKE D 2U: posts the ante 80
> SHOCKNALL: posts small blind 800
> MIKE D 2U: posts big blind 1600
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Qdog223 [As Jc]
> Acechaser64: folds
> vballer06 is connected
> Qdog223: raises 3200 to 4800
> ElRupert said, "lol"
> ElRupert: calls 4800
> Andr4w: folds
> uncledrkmeat: folds
> meanmoe26: folds
> SHOCKNALL: folds
> ElRupert said, "hows it giong?"
> MIKE D 2U: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Jh 7h Js]
> Andr4w said, "sorry mate"
> Qdog223: bets 3200
> ElRupert: raises 8000 to 11200
> Andr4w said, "ok now lol"
> Qdog223: calls 4095 and is all-in
> ElRupert said, "cool"
> *** TURN *** [Jh 7h Js] [Td]
> Andr4w said, "fk"
> *** RIVER *** [Jh 7h Js Td] [Kh]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Qdog223: shows [As Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
> ElRupert: shows [Ks Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
> Andr4w said, "looooooooool"
> ElRupert collected 27230 from pot
> ElRupert said, "3rd 2 outer i hit so far"
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 27230
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 19:41:56
From: cquinn
Subject: Re: Is Poker Stars hurting my game?
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Rupert, after that hand I wanted to you win it so you could afford to refund
my buyin!! LOL
Qdog223
<ruperte@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165261209.194444.158930@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> Heh, sorry about that it's pretty horrendous. I went on to bubble if
> it makes you feel better.
>
> On Dec 3, 4:42 pm, "cquinn" <cqu...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Do you mean like this? $215 down the tubes this morning
> > Qdog223
> >
> > PokerStars Game #7284323926: Tournament #36747035, $200+$15 Hold'em No
> > Limit - Level IX (800/1600) - 2006/12/03 - 15:09:29 (ET)
> > Table '36747035 74' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
> > Seat 1: Acechaser64 (104660 in chips)
> > Seat 2: Qdog223 (12175 in chips)
> > Seat 3: ElRupert (28490 in chips)
> > Seat 4: Andr4w (62200 in chips)
> > Seat 5: uncledrkmeat (39280 in chips)
> > Seat 6: meanmoe26 (7800 in chips)
> > Seat 7: SHOCKNALL (35660 in chips)
> > Seat 8: MIKE D 2U (23180 in chips)
> > Acechaser64: posts the ante 80
> > Qdog223: posts the ante 80
> > ElRupert: posts the ante 80
> > Andr4w: posts the ante 80
> > uncledrkmeat: posts the ante 80
> > meanmoe26: posts the ante 80
> > SHOCKNALL: posts the ante 80
> > MIKE D 2U: posts the ante 80
> > SHOCKNALL: posts small blind 800
> > MIKE D 2U: posts big blind 1600
> > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > Dealt to Qdog223 [As Jc]
> > Acechaser64: folds
> > vballer06 is connected
> > Qdog223: raises 3200 to 4800
> > ElRupert said, "lol"
> > ElRupert: calls 4800
> > Andr4w: folds
> > uncledrkmeat: folds
> > meanmoe26: folds
> > SHOCKNALL: folds
> > ElRupert said, "hows it giong?"
> > MIKE D 2U: folds
> > *** FLOP *** [Jh 7h Js]
> > Andr4w said, "sorry mate"
> > Qdog223: bets 3200
> > ElRupert: raises 8000 to 11200
> > Andr4w said, "ok now lol"
> > Qdog223: calls 4095 and is all-in
> > ElRupert said, "cool"
> > *** TURN *** [Jh 7h Js] [Td]
> > Andr4w said, "fk"
> > *** RIVER *** [Jh 7h Js Td] [Kh]
> > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > Qdog223: shows [As Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
> > ElRupert: shows [Ks Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
> > Andr4w said, "looooooooool"
> > ElRupert collected 27230 from pot
> > ElRupert said, "3rd 2 outer i hit so far"
> > *** SUMMARY ***
> > Total pot 27230
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