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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:36:54
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: I donk on another 2-7 BAHH
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[Gank just sat down but isn't involved in this hand.]
PokerStars Game #7523792546: Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($30/$60) -
2006/12/20 - 06:28:25 (ET)
Table 'Velleda' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: davemn1969 ($4267 in chips)
Seat 2: starfish1 ($2095 in chips)
Seat 3: gank ($1110 in chips)
Seat 4: sheckler ($2562 in chips)
Seat 6: double joker ($952 in chips)
double joker: posts small blind $15
davemn1969: posts big blind $30
*** DEALING HANDS ***
starfish1: raises $30 to $60
gank: folds
sheckler: raises $30 to $90
double joker: raises $30 to $120
Betting is capped
davemn1969: folds
starfish1: calls $60
sheckler: calls $30
*** FIRST DRAW ***
double joker: discards 1 card
starfish1: stands pat
[I'm putting starfish1 on a 9 or something of the sort,
perhaps with a smooth redraw, because of the later
action.]
sheckler: discards 1 card
double joker: checks
starfish1: bets $30
sheckler: raises $30 to $60
double joker: calls $60
starfish1: calls $30
*** SECOND DRAW ***
double joker: discards 1 card
starfish1: discards 1 card
[He breaks whatever he had, because of the
raise and the call of the double raise. Was that
cold call probably a bad move? Should starfish have
raised to drive out the cold caller? Hard to know
since we don't see anyone's hand.]
sheckler: stands pat
[This isn't very surprising.]
double joker: checks
starfish1: checks
sheckler: bets $60
double joker: calls $60
davemn1969 leaves the table
starfish1: calls $60
[Is calling to be one of two people trying to
outdraw a pat hand often good? I'd assume he's
got a good draw to a wheel here, but probably
so does the cold caller.]
*** THIRD DRAW ***
double joker: discards 1 card
starfish1: discards 1 card
sheckler: stands pat
double joker: checks
starfish1: checks
sheckler: bets $60
double joker: folds
starfish1: folds
sheckler collected $748 from pot
sheckler: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $750
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:32:01
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: I donk on another 2-7 BAHH
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On Dec 20 2006 4:36 AM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
> [Gank just sat down but isn't involved in this hand.]
>
> PokerStars Game #7523792546: Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($30/$60) -
> 2006/12/20 - 06:28:25 (ET)
> Table 'Velleda' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
> Seat 1: davemn1969 ($4267 in chips)
> Seat 2: starfish1 ($2095 in chips)
> Seat 3: gank ($1110 in chips)
> Seat 4: sheckler ($2562 in chips)
> Seat 6: double joker ($952 in chips)
> double joker: posts small blind $15
> davemn1969: posts big blind $30
> *** DEALING HANDS ***
> starfish1: raises $30 to $60
> gank: folds
> sheckler: raises $30 to $90
> double joker: raises $30 to $120
> Betting is capped
> davemn1969: folds
> starfish1: calls $60
> sheckler: calls $30
> *** FIRST DRAW ***
> double joker: discards 1 card
This absolutely has to be a wheel draw with a 7234x, 7235x, or 7245x, with
the earlier hands being more likely.
> starfish1: stands pat
>
> [I'm putting starfish1 on a 9 or something of the sort,
> perhaps with a smooth redraw, because of the later
> action.]
This could actually be anything here. A 9 with a wheel draw is about the
worst hand possible here. I think a pat 8 is more likely.
> sheckler: discards 1 card
This is a little wider, and coule be any 7 draw, and possibly an 85 or 86
draw.
> double joker: checks
> starfish1: bets $30
> sheckler: raises $30 to $60
> double joker: calls $60
> starfish1: calls $30
> *** SECOND DRAW ***
> double joker: discards 1 card
> starfish1: discards 1 card
>
> [He breaks whatever he had, because of the
> raise and the call of the double raise. Was that
> cold call probably a bad move? Should starfish have
> raised to drive out the cold caller? Hard to know
> since we don't see anyone's hand.]
Seems that he has an 87 or worse, and knew that sheckler wouldn;t have
raised unless he hit. Me? I raise here to try to force out the other
draw and represent a made hand :)
> sheckler: stands pat
>
> [This isn't very surprising.]
At the higher limits, he would draw 1 here a good percentage of the time I
think.
> double joker: checks
> starfish1: checks
> sheckler: bets $60
> double joker: calls $60
> davemn1969 leaves the table
> starfish1: calls $60
>
> [Is calling to be one of two people trying to
> outdraw a pat hand often good? I'd assume he's
> got a good draw to a wheel here, but probably
> so does the cold caller.]
The pot is absolutely massive. Assuming that he has a wheel draw, he is
getting 14:1 on the call, and even if he has just 3 outs (eg 7532x with
one 4 dead), then he is correct to call on the wheel draw alone. Yes, it
is possible that he makes the wheel and ties, but it is also possible that
a 6 wins it.
> *** THIRD DRAW ***
> double joker: discards 1 card
> starfish1: discards 1 card
> sheckler: stands pat
> double joker: checks
> starfish1: checks
> sheckler: bets $60
> double joker: folds
> starfish1: folds
> sheckler collected $748 from pot
> sheckler: doesn't show hand
They must have both missed badly (not surprising, given the number of dead
wheel cards).
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot $750
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:14:51
From: Tom Cruise's Ex-Girlfriend's Secret Lover
Subject: Re: I donk on another 2-7 BAHH
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"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo > wrote in message
> [I'm putting starfish1 on a 9 or something of the sort,
> perhaps with a smooth redraw, because of the later
> action.]
Are you Sheckler? What's a "smooth redraw?"
> [Is calling to be one of two people trying to
> outdraw a pat hand often good? I'd assume he's
> got a good draw to a wheel here, but probably
> so does the cold caller.]
A "wheel?" I've never heard 75432 referred to that way. I always thought
it was reserved for A2345.
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