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Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:17:52
From: Michael Mathews
Subject: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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I am Canadian..... A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:26:58
From: Kinnipak
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 3:17 AM, Michael Mathews wrote: > I am Canadian..... > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? i wonder if they have a Fourth of July in Canada..... -------- : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com
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Date: 19 Dec 16:43:16
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 11:26 AM, Kinnipak wrote: > On Dec 19 2006 3:17 AM, Michael Mathews wrote: > > > I am Canadian..... > > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. > > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? > > i wonder if they have a Fourth of July in Canada..... Yes, but we prefer to celebrate our countries birthday on July 1st. The new laws have made it difficult for Americans to use all the choices they had before. Some sites have even decided to block American in case the law could be used against them. You will find that where there is a will there is a way and any of the resourceful people south of the border will still play. Take a look in the archives leading up to and just after the bill was signed. This board was full of post on the topic. _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 16:53:15
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 10:43 AM, CHarrison100 wrote: > On Dec 19 2006 11:26 AM, Kinnipak wrote: > > > On Dec 19 2006 3:17 AM, Michael Mathews wrote: > > > > > I am Canadian..... > > > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > > > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > > > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > > > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > > > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including > > > poker. > > > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? > > > > i wonder if they have a Fourth of July in Canada..... > > Yes, but we prefer to celebrate our countries birthday on July 1st. > > The new laws have made it difficult for Americans to use all the choices they > had before. Some sites have even decided to block American in case the law > could > be used against them. But the recent laws aren't about citizenship at all, residence maybe, but nobody is going to have to fax a passport. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ New Feature: Mark All As Read! - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 18:20:42
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 11:53 AM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > > On Dec 19 2006 10:43 AM, CHarrison100 wrote: > > > On Dec 19 2006 11:26 AM, Kinnipak wrote: > > > > > On Dec 19 2006 3:17 AM, Michael Mathews wrote: > > > > > > > I am Canadian..... > > > > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > > > > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US > > > > law, > > > > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > > > > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > > > > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including > > > > poker. > > > > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? > > > > > > i wonder if they have a Fourth of July in Canada..... > > > > Yes, but we prefer to celebrate our countries birthday on July 1st. > > > > The new laws have made it difficult for Americans to use all the choices > > they > > had before. Some sites have even decided to block American in case the law > > could > > be used against them. > > But the recent laws aren't about citizenship at all, residence maybe, but > nobody > is going to have to fax a passport. > > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com > > Is that true? If I went to LV would i not be able to play my Party account? _______________________________________________________________ Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 18:25:23
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 12:20 PM, CHarrison100 wrote: > > > On Dec 19 2006 11:53 AM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Dec 19 2006 10:43 AM, CHarrison100 wrote: > > > > > On Dec 19 2006 11:26 AM, Kinnipak wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 19 2006 3:17 AM, Michael Mathews wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am Canadian..... > > > > > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online > > > > > poker > > > > > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US > > > > > law, > > > > > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > > > > > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > > > > > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including > > > > > poker. > > > > > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? > > > > > > > > i wonder if they have a Fourth of July in Canada..... > > > > > > Yes, but we prefer to celebrate our countries birthday on July 1st. > > > > > > The new laws have made it difficult for Americans to use all the choices > > > they > > > had before. Some sites have even decided to block American in case the law > > > could > > > be used against them. > > > > But the recent laws aren't about citizenship at all, residence maybe, but > > nobody > > is going to have to fax a passport. > > > > > > Gary Carson > > http://www.garycarson.com > > > > > Is that true? If I went to LV would i not be able to play my Party account? That's up to Party. Actually the law might or might not apply to residency, that's yet to be determined for sure. It will probably be some combination of residency and whether your bank has assets in the United States for depositing. The law doesn't really have anything to do with playing. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 18:54:59
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 1:25 PM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > > On Dec 19 2006 12:20 PM, CHarrison100 wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 19 2006 11:53 AM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 19 2006 10:43 AM, CHarrison100 wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 19 2006 11:26 AM, Kinnipak wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Dec 19 2006 3:17 AM, Michael Mathews wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I am Canadian..... > > > > > > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online > > > > > > poker > > > > > > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US > > > > > > law, > > > > > > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > > > > > > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from > > > > > > allowing > > > > > > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling > > > > > > including > > > > > > poker. > > > > > > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? > > > > > > > > > > i wonder if they have a Fourth of July in Canada..... > > > > > > > > Yes, but we prefer to celebrate our countries birthday on July 1st. > > > > > > > > The new laws have made it difficult for Americans to use all the choices > > > > they > > > > had before. Some sites have even decided to block American in case the > > > > law > > > > could > > > > be used against them. > > > > > > But the recent laws aren't about citizenship at all, residence maybe, but > > > nobody > > > is going to have to fax a passport. > > > > > > > > > Gary Carson > > > http://www.garycarson.com > > > > > > > > Is that true? If I went to LV would i not be able to play my Party account? > > That's up to Party. > > Actually the law might or might not apply to residency, that's yet to be > determined for sure. It will probably be some combination of residency and > whether your bank has assets in the United States for depositing. The law > doesn't really have anything to do with playing. > > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com > > There you go. I haven't looked into it too much as i am up here in the great green north. Thanks Gary. _______________________________________________________________ Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 19:30:22
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 12:54 PM, CHarrison100 wrote: > There you go. I haven't looked into it too much as i am up here in the great > green north. Thanks Gary. > The US Federal Reserve was given a few months to right up the rules for implementation of the new law. So it will still be a couple of months before we know for sure. But the US banking industry was lobbying against the part of the bill that covered checking accounts until they wrote the part iin about the Fed Researve writing the specifics of implementation. So, there's a good chance that checking accounts won't be included in the final rules (even though the law covers them). The US Federal Reserve is owned by US Banks, not by the Federal Governmnet. But in any event the rules are forbidding transfer of funds for purposes of illegal gambling. And, it's not clear whether online poker is illegal or not. So far the US Attorney General says yes but they haven't found a federal court that aggrees with them yet. The US government pretty much can't touch a bank that does not have assets in the US. But even Canadian Banks are reachable by the US if they have cash in the US. So, you might need to check where your bank does bussiness. Some poker sites have overreacted by cutting off all service to the US, but the law doesn't require that. But the US really is a rogue country with a lot of guns and a lot of ships. In the past we have invaded countries simply to serve criminal arrest warrents (that's what we did in Panama, invaded the country to arrest someone suspected of indirect drug trafficing). We've also just passed a law that says if the president just says he thinks you might be funding a terrosit then we can legally lock you up in isolation and torture you until you go insane. And us being a country of laws and all that, we just might do that to an online gambler. So there's really no telling what we'll do and a lot of the site owners realize how insane the government of the US actually is and don't want to have anything to do with it. Personally I think this is about a lot more than poker. Canada needs to beef up their border protection. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 20 Dec 13:37:14
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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> Personally I think this is about a lot more than poker. Canada needs to beef > up > their border protection. > > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com > Why is the American government using misdirection and telling people to look at Middle East as it tears down the borders and creates one giant "United Countries of North America"? _______________________________________________________________ Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 20 Dec 14:50:37
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 20 2006 7:37 AM, CHarrison100 wrote: > > Personally I think this is about a lot more than poker. Canada needs to beef > > up > > their border protection. I don't understand my country at all any more. I sure don't have much pride in it. This Padilla thing, the American Citizen we've held in sensery depravation for 3 years with no criminal charges at all, is scary. Nobody seems to care. I don't understand why we don't. It's terrible what we've done to that man. For no reason at all other than they could, the United States put to bear all the power they could muster for no reason other than to drive the man crazy. And, they succedded. They still won't release him from his cage without blinders and ear plugs. Then, with a straight face, our Hero Attorney General takes the position that no one can investigatge what had been done to him because he's too crazy to take part on his own behalf. You should be very, very frightened to be a neighbor of the United States. We're insane and we don't care. We invaded Panama to make an arrest on a drug charge and then didn't allow the guy to defend himself in court because of "national security concerns" and we didn't even blink. Sounded good to us. > > > Why is the American government using misdirection and telling people to look > at > Middle East as it tears down the borders and creates one giant "United > Countries > of North America"? > > Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:08:30
From: Tom Cruise's Ex-Girlfriend's Secret Lover
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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"Gary Carson" <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu > wrote in message > I don't understand my country at all any more. I sure don't have much > pride in > it. Then please leave.
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Date: 20 Dec 21:46:16
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 20 2006 9:08 AM, Tom Cruise's Ex-Girlfriend's Secret Lover wrote: > "Gary Carson" wrote in message > > I don't understand my country at all any more. I sure don't have much > > pride in > > it. > > Then please leave. People like you are why it's impossible to have any pride in what's happened. You are a worthless and destructive theif. It's my country and you can try all you want but you aren't going to steal it. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:23:35
From:
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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I'm new here so i'm not sure why this wasn't mentioned already. although there are many posts already on this issue if you search for them. i use neteller.com (others available too) while the law's been passed, banks have some time to work out their protocols. until then neteller will work. it's a stable, legit, non us based company. time will tell if banks will block us from depositing there too. if so, other options will become available. too much demand to simply go away. Michael Mathews wrote: > I am Canadian..... > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site?
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Date: 19 Dec 13:02:48
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 3:17 AM, Michael Mathews wrote: > I am Canadian..... > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? I guess you must have been educated in Canada. A US citizen does the same thing a Canadian citizen does to deposit money into a poker site. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ Posted using RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 10:03:25
From: Mr. Peoples
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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I stopped reading when I saw the word Canadian... _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 11:35:53
From: MAM
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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But you took the time to reply........... "Mr. Peoples" <43086600@recpoker.com > wrote in message news:1166522605$924207@recpoker.com... > I stopped reading when I saw the word Canadian... > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:13:35
From: scotty
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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I apologise for the rude anti Canadian posts even though I didn't make them. There is no reason to be anti Canadian. GrimJack808 wrote: > Why deposit at all? > > Why not take advantage of one of the free no deposit required bankrolls > available through this link: > > They give you from $50 up to $100 free with no need to > deposit...depending upon where you are from. > > Here is the link: > > http://tinyurl.com/s4aw9 > > Good Luck! > -------------------------------------------------------------- > $100 Free Party Poker Bankroll -OR- $50 Free Titan Poker Bankroll > $100 Free Absolute Poker Bankroll > No Deposit/No Credit Card > http://www.pokersourceonline.com/freepoker/money.asp?rc=GRIMJACK808 > > Extra $60-$90-$120 over & above normal bonus for 12 popular sites: > http://www.pokersourceonline.com/freepoker/gifts.asp?rc=GRIMJACK808 > > Michael Mathews wrote: > > I am Canadian..... > > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. > > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site?
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:31:58
From: Michael Mathews
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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thanks scotty "scotty" <bnbkern@adelphia.net > wrote in message news:1166588015.059264.250580@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com... > I apologise for the rude anti Canadian posts even though I didn't make > them. There is no reason to be anti Canadian. > > > GrimJack808 wrote: > > Why deposit at all? > > > > Why not take advantage of one of the free no deposit required bankrolls > > available through this link: > > > > They give you from $50 up to $100 free with no need to > > deposit...depending upon where you are from. > > > > Here is the link: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/s4aw9 > > > > Good Luck! > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > $100 Free Party Poker Bankroll -OR- $50 Free Titan Poker Bankroll > > $100 Free Absolute Poker Bankroll > > No Deposit/No Credit Card > > http://www.pokersourceonline.com/freepoker/money.asp?rc=GRIMJACK808 > > > > Extra $60-$90-$120 over & above normal bonus for 12 popular sites: > > http://www.pokersourceonline.com/freepoker/gifts.asp?rc=GRIMJACK808 > > > > Michael Mathews wrote: > > > I am Canadian..... > > > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > > > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > > > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > > > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > > > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. > > > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? >
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 03:50:27
From: Michael Mathews
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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Hey sorry for all the fuss (and the anti Canadian remarks that were made). This was just a simply question of curiously. At this point in time we here in Canada have no such law(s) like the one recently passed by the US government. If the laws in the United States prohibit Americans from using credit cards and/or the banks accounts to deposit money for gambling which at this point in time includes poker, how will/do you deposit money for the purposes of playing poker. I understand that this law isn't about whether poker is legal or not, this law prohibits the transfer of money for the purposes of gambling(poker). "Michael Mathews" <mamda@shaw.ca > wrote in message news:47Ohh.501317$5R2.45688@pd7urf3no... > I am Canadian..... > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? > >
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Date: 20 Dec 13:34:05
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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On Dec 19 2006 10:50 PM, Michael Mathews wrote: > Hey sorry for all the fuss (and the anti Canadian remarks that were made). > This was just a simply question of curiously. At this point in time we here > in Canada have no such law(s) like the one recently passed by the US > government. If the laws in the United States prohibit Americans from using > credit cards and/or the banks accounts to deposit money for gambling which > at this point in time includes poker, how will/do you deposit money for the > purposes of playing poker. I understand that this law isn't about whether > poker is legal or not, this law prohibits the transfer of money for the > purposes of gambling(poker). > > > "Michael Mathews" wrote in message > news:47Ohh.501317$5R2.45688@pd7urf3no... > > I am Canadian..... > > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including > poker. > > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site? > > > > I didn't find anything offensive about the comments towards Canada. There has been a lot worse posted on other sites and you will find this one has a nice mix of several countries. It seems our neighbours to the south use the Neteller or other pay systems that are still operating to fund the sites that are not restricting play from customers in the area they live. And yes Gary it has nothing to do with citizenship. Hope we answered your questions. _______________________________________________________________ Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com
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Date: 21 Dec 2006 06:17:34
From: MAM
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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> I didn't find anything offensive about the comments towards Canada. There has > been a lot worse posted on other sites and you will find this one has a nice mix > of several countries. > > It seems our neighbours to the south use the Neteller or other pay systems that > are still operating to fund the sites that are not restricting play from > customers in the area they live. And yes Gary it has nothing to do with > citizenship. > > Hope we answered your questions. > I just thought some of the comments were off but you are right, I imagine there has been worse said. I just didn't think any of it was necessary at all. BTW 'citizenship' was never part of the question... it was in reference to the people of the United States as opposed to the people of Canada because the new law applies to people in the US.... I understand right now, things haven't changed. A law is in place but isn't ready to be enforced. Procedure to implement the law need to be written up. Isn't the idea of the law though to prevent US people from transferring money for the purposes of gambling(poker)? Credit cards are already prevented from transferring money. Now banks will be forced to prevent money to be transferred for the purposes of gambling(poker) too! So the question is, "When all this is in place, how will Americans transfer money to play poker?" Yes there is Neteller which is a non US company. What if the rules/law/US government black list companies like Neteller telling banks they can't allow money transfers there at all??? A subsequent post suggests money orders, yes where there is a will there is a way.... I was just curious.....
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 14:01:32
From:
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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Yeah they've been saying online poker was illegal for as long as I can remember. It doesn't matter what they do, people will still play. If we have to mail a money order to Costa Rica and play through a foreign proxy, that's what we will do. I doubt it will come to that, but ya never know. Still up to now though the only thing I notice is Party doesn't let me on anymore.
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Date: 21 Dec 2006 06:25:38
From: MAM
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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I suppose if worse comes to worse, then money orders will have to do. You can still play online, the intent of the law is to stop you from playing by eliminating the ability to put money into the site. You take cash to Western Union... buy a money order (how are they suppose to know where the money is going)... send it to either your favourite poker site or to an online money account from which it can then be transferred to your favourite poker site. Question.... could the US postal services be prevented from delivering mail(and thusly your money order) to a place like Neteller? lol ;-} <rgposter@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1166652092.378752.34290@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... > Yeah they've been saying online poker was illegal for as long as I can > remember. It doesn't matter what they do, people will still play. If > we have to mail a money order to Costa Rica and play through a foreign > proxy, that's what we will do. I doubt it will come to that, but ya > never know. Still up to now though the only thing I notice is Party > doesn't let me on anymore. >
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 15:26:33
From: GrimJack808
Subject: Re: How do US citizens buy into online poker sites
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Why deposit at all? Why not take advantage of one of the free no deposit required bankrolls available through this link: They give you from $50 up to $100 free with no need to deposit...depending upon where you are from. Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/s4aw9 Good Luck! -------------------------------------------------------------- $100 Free Party Poker Bankroll -OR- $50 Free Titan Poker Bankroll $100 Free Absolute Poker Bankroll No Deposit/No Credit Card http://www.pokersourceonline.com/freepoker/money.asp?rc=GRIMJACK808 Extra $60-$90-$120 over & above normal bonus for 12 popular sites: http://www.pokersourceonline.com/freepoker/gifts.asp?rc=GRIMJACK808 Michael Mathews wrote: > I am Canadian..... > A buddy and I were talking about putting some money into an online poker > site to play for real money... The question came up, with the new US law, > just how does a US citizen buy into an online poker site? > Credit cards can't be used and now banks are prohibited from allowing > financial transactions to sites for the purpose of gambling including poker. > So again how does a US citizen deposit money into a poker site?
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