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Date: 18 Dec 2006 21:15:46
From: FISH
Subject: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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I've built my bankroll playing SNG's, but really want to switch over to
playing ring games. I've been playing the PS 6 player tables and have had a
good amount of success as of late. This hand came up and I wanted to get
additional input to see what others felt of my decisions/play here.
Situation:
I've been playing at this table for a while and Vulex1 recently sat down (3
rounds maybe). Since he has been at the table I haven't seen much from him
and he hasn't seen much from me so neither would have a good read on the
other player.
Check out the HH and let me know what you think:
POKERSTARS GAME #7498083888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/12/18 -
13:32:24 (ET)
Table 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kb5lang3r ($88.05 in chips)
Seat 2: cobb_81 ($39.30 in chips)
Seat 3: beartrap7230 ($179 in chips)
Seat 4: pjstanley567 ($163.10 in chips)
Seat 5: vulex1 ($267.95 in chips)
Seat 6: ME ($261.05 in chips)
vulex1: posts small blind $1
ME: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
kb5lang3r: calls $2
cobb_81: folds
beartrap7230: folds
pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
vulex1: calls $7
ME: calls $6
kb5lang3r: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8d]
vulex1: checks
ME: bets $12
pjstanley567: folds
vulex1: raises $44 to $56
ME: calls $44
*** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8d] [6s]
vulex1: bets $52
ME: calls $52
*** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8d 6s] [3d]
vulex1: bets $151.95 and is all-in
ME: calls $145.05 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
??????????????????????
Here are my thoughts on why I played it the way I did and questions as to
what you might have done:
Preflop:
I called preflop mainly because pjstanley had been a TOTAL MANIAC and I
wanted to see a lot of flops as long as he was in the hand.
Flop:
Would you call the flop re-raise, fold, or re-raise him? I thought for a
while and made the call as I felt I could be ahead at this point and had
plenty of outs if I wasn't (decent flush draw, gut shot straight draw with
the straight flush draw, 2 other Q's in the deck, 3 other 10's). I wasn't
sure if he was making a play with the Ace high flush draw or trying to
protect his made hand from being outdrawn by a 4th diamond. My hand had
potential even if I was currently behind. I had position on him and decided
to simply call in either case as I felt I could get the extra information I
needed at the turn.
Turn:
A blank hits the turn and he bets $52 into a $148 pot. What do you do here?
Would you call this bet, fold, raise? To me, this bet looks like he has the
hand he likes and is NOT drawing to a better flush. The only hand I am very
worried about at this point is the Ace of diamonds with the Q (top pair with
the Ace high flush draw) and I can't see him pushing that hard with it. So
this turn bet looks to me like he is afraid of the 3 diamonds on the board
and is trying to push me off what he sees as my flush draw that will beat
him. I make the call with the standpoint that I am now drawing. I am getting
3-1 to draw, but I have position on him and he has another $150 left. We
both have committed a decent chunk of our stacks to this pot already and I
can easily see getting the rest of his if I hit.
River
The diamond hits and I have my 10 high flush. Would you call his VERY QUICK
all in bet of $150 making the pot about $390? I think for a while and call
as I either have read the situation wrong and he was drawing to the A high
flush or I have the best hand. I call because I feel the only two hands he
could have that would beat me would be either Ace of diamonds with the Q or
the King of diamonds with the Q. And like I said before I doubt he would
have pushed that hard to get me out with either of these hands on the flop
and the turn. More likely to me any number of strong hands that all would
lose to this river diamond (a flopped set, straight, two pair, etc...). I
make the call and hope he was trying to push me off my flush draw with his
flop re-raise and turn bet.
What do you think about this hand and the way I chose to play it?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 01:08:16
From: Palooka
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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I don't normally top post, so please accept ny apologies. However, comments
are interspersed:
>
> POKERSTARS GAME #7498083888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/12/18 -
> 13:32:24 (ET)
> Table 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
> Seat 1: kb5lang3r ($88.05 in chips)
> Seat 2: cobb_81 ($39.30 in chips)
> Seat 3: beartrap7230 ($179 in chips)
> Seat 4: pjstanley567 ($163.10 in chips)
> Seat 5: vulex1 ($267.95 in chips)
> Seat 6: ME ($261.05 in chips)
> vulex1: posts small blind $1
> ME: posts big blind $2
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
> kb5lang3r: calls $2
> cobb_81: folds
> beartrap7230: folds
> pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
> vulex1: calls $7
> ME: calls $6
Why?
> kb5lang3r: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8d]
> vulex1: checks
> ME: bets $12
Why?
> pjstanley567: folds
> vulex1: raises $44 to $56
> ME: calls $44
Why?
> *** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8d] [6s]
> vulex1: bets $52
> ME: calls $52
Why?
> *** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8d 6s] [3d]
> vulex1: bets $151.95 and is all-in
> ME: calls $145.05 and is all-in
Why?
Palooka
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 03:10:52
From: FISH
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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Palooka so eloquently wrote "why":
I thought I explained why. Feel free to disagree, but I explained why I made
the decisions I made (albeit you might disagree with the long term
profitability of the decisions).
I made the post for input and included my reasoning at each step. I never
said I was "correct" in those decisions or reasons, just why i decided to
make the calls I did.
I'd be very open to hearing other players input as I definitely had seconds
thoughts about the way I played the hand after it was over.
"Palooka" <nobody@nowhere.com > wrote in message
news:4YGhh.5414$1W1.5353@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>I don't normally top post, so please accept ny apologies. However, comments
>are interspersed:
>
>>
>> POKERSTARS GAME #7498083888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/12/18 -
>> 13:32:24 (ET)
>> Table 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
>> Seat 1: kb5lang3r ($88.05 in chips)
>> Seat 2: cobb_81 ($39.30 in chips)
>> Seat 3: beartrap7230 ($179 in chips)
>> Seat 4: pjstanley567 ($163.10 in chips)
>> Seat 5: vulex1 ($267.95 in chips)
>> Seat 6: ME ($261.05 in chips)
>> vulex1: posts small blind $1
>> ME: posts big blind $2
>> *** HOLE CARDS ***
>> Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
>> kb5lang3r: calls $2
>> cobb_81: folds
>> beartrap7230: folds
>> pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
>> vulex1: calls $7
>> ME: calls $6
>
>
> Why?
>
>> kb5lang3r: folds
>> *** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8d]
>> vulex1: checks
>> ME: bets $12
>
> Why?
>
>> pjstanley567: folds
>> vulex1: raises $44 to $56
>> ME: calls $44
>
> Why?
>
>> *** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8d] [6s]
>> vulex1: bets $52
>> ME: calls $52
>
> Why?
>
>> *** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8d 6s] [3d]
>> vulex1: bets $151.95 and is all-in
>> ME: calls $145.05 and is all-in
>
> Why?
>
> Palooka
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 04:44:03
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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On Dec 18 2006 9:10 PM, FISH wrote:
> Palooka so eloquently wrote "why":
>
> I thought I explained why.
My guess is he didn't notice that the post continued below the ?????
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 14:59:14
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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> POKERSTARS GAME #7498083888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/12/18 -
> 13:32:24 (ET)
> Table 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
> Seat 1: kb5lang3r ($88.05 in chips)
> Seat 2: cobb_81 ($39.30 in chips)
> Seat 3: beartrap7230 ($179 in chips)
> Seat 4: pjstanley567 ($163.10 in chips)
> Seat 5: vulex1 ($267.95 in chips)
> Seat 6: ME ($261.05 in chips)
> vulex1: posts small blind $1
> ME: posts big blind $2
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
> kb5lang3r: calls $2
> cobb_81: folds
> beartrap7230: folds
> pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
> vulex1: calls $7
> ME: calls $6
I got this far and that's it. Sure, play a lot of pots when the crazy guy
is in the hand, but don't do it in multi-way pots with a hand that's
likely to be dominated in so many ways you won't know what hit you.
BTW, if you want to hide the fact that your name on Stars is winnahr, you
may want to leave out the hand number next time.
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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Date: 18 Dec 22:32:31
From: Bruno
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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On Dec 18 2006 2:15 PM, FISH wrote:
> I've built my bankroll playing SNG's, but really want to switch over to
> playing ring games. I've been playing the PS 6 player tables and have had a
> good amount of success as of late. This hand came up and I wanted to get
> additional input to see what others felt of my decisions/play here.
>
> Situation:
>
> I've been playing at this table for a while and Vulex1 recently sat down (3
> rounds maybe). Since he has been at the table I haven't seen much from him
> and he hasn't seen much from me so neither would have a good read on the
> other player.
>
> Check out the HH and let me know what you think:
>
>
> POKERSTARS GAME #7498083888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/12/18 -
> 13:32:24 (ET)
> Table 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
> Seat 1: kb5lang3r ($88.05 in chips)
> Seat 2: cobb_81 ($39.30 in chips)
> Seat 3: beartrap7230 ($179 in chips)
> Seat 4: pjstanley567 ($163.10 in chips)
> Seat 5: vulex1 ($267.95 in chips)
> Seat 6: ME ($261.05 in chips)
> vulex1: posts small blind $1
> ME: posts big blind $2
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
> kb5lang3r: calls $2
> cobb_81: folds
> beartrap7230: folds
> pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
> vulex1: calls $7
> ME: calls $6
> kb5lang3r: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8d]
> vulex1: checks
> ME: bets $12
> pjstanley567: folds
> vulex1: raises $44 to $56
> ME: calls $44
> *** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8d] [6s]
> vulex1: bets $52
> ME: calls $52
> *** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8d 6s] [3d]
> vulex1: bets $151.95 and is all-in
> ME: calls $145.05 and is all-in
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
>
> ??????????????????????
> Here are my thoughts on why I played it the way I did and questions as to
> what you might have done:
>
>
> Preflop:
>
> I called preflop mainly because pjstanley had been a TOTAL MANIAC and I
> wanted to see a lot of flops as long as he was in the hand.
Thats all fine but, you had another guy, Vulex1, in the hand that you said you
didn't know much about. Except that the max buy in for this game was 200, and
after 3 rounds (ur words) he had $267. so in three rounds he incread his table
stake by about 33%....but you don't know much about him...Doesn't appear to be
good observation skills by you...
>
> Flop:
>
> Would you call the flop re-raise, fold, or re-raise him? I thought for a
> while and made the call as I felt I could be ahead at this point and had
> plenty of outs if I wasn't (decent flush draw, gut shot straight draw with
> the straight flush draw, 2 other Q's in the deck, 3 other 10's). I wasn't
> sure if he was making a play with the Ace high flush draw or trying to
> protect his made hand from being outdrawn by a 4th diamond. My hand had
> potential even if I was currently behind. I had position on him and decided
> to simply call in either case as I felt I could get the extra information I
> needed at the turn.
>
He check raised you....you got involved preflop with a crappy hand (Q10o), out
of position, had top pair avg kicker, you bet $12 into a $24 pot, got check
raised $44 more...and u call??? u tink ur gonna get the "extra information u
needed" on the turn??? At what price??? You had a crappy hand preflop against a
maniac and another guy you "don't have a good read on". Throw the damn hand away
preflop! and certainly after the $44 reraise.
> h bets $52 into a $148 pot. What do you do here?
> Would you call this bet, fold, raise? To me, this bet looks like he has the
> hand he likes and is NOT drawing to a better flush. The only hand I am very
> worried about at this point is the Ace of diamonds with the Q (top pair with
> the Ace high flush draw) and I can't see him pushing that hard with it. So
> this turn bet looks to me like he is afraid of the 3 diamonds on the board
> and is trying to push me off what he sees as my flush draw that will beat
> him. I make the call with the standpoint that I am now drawing. I am getting
> 3-1 to draw, but I have position on him and he has another $150 left. We
> both have committed a decent chunk of our stacks to this pot already and I
> can easily see getting the rest of his if I hit.
>
He bet about 1/3 of the pot. What is the range of hands you put him on? You've
got the thrid nut draw. He could easily have KdQx or AdQx. If he does, you're
drawing to 6 outs (3 tens and 3 non diamond 9s), and are about a 7.5 to 1 dog.
If you are right about what you think he has, you've got 13 outs, maybe 12 (6d
might boat him). so you are about a 3.7 to 1 dog. You say you don't know much
about him, but you do a tremendous amount of postulating ("I felt I could get
the extra information I needed at the turn", and "I can easily see getting the
rest of his if I hit.). You really don't know any of this and are, frankly,
making this up and hoping it was true..
> all in bet of $150 making the pot about $390? I think for a while and call
> as I either have read the situation wrong and he was drawing to the A high
> flush or I have the best hand. I call because I feel the only two hands he
> could have that would beat me would be either Ace of diamonds with the Q or
> the King of diamonds with the Q. And like I said before I doubt he would
> have pushed that hard to get me out with either of these hands on the flop
> and the turn. More likely to me any number of strong hands that all would
> lose to this river diamond (a flopped set, straight, two pair, etc...). I
> make the call and hope he was trying to push me off my flush draw with his
> flop re-raise and turn bet.
>
Well, his $52 turn bet and your call would have made the pot $252, his all in
bet of about 164 makes the pot $416. when you make those kind of call on the
flop and the turn, you are expecting to call of the river if you hit your card.
You thought any diamond was good for you. So, you set the script up, you call.
>
>
> What do you think about this hand and the way I chose to play it?
awful. fold that trash preflop next time preflop til you know more about the 2nd
player entering. You got check raised on the flop. You couldn't fold it. You
were given no pot odds to call the turn bet, but based ur decision on implied
odds, and ur wondering if you should call the river when u get ur
card....HUH???!!?!? A very smart play by him if he had KdQ or AdQ wouldn have
been to play it the same way....
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 02:25:56
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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I would have folded preflop and saved myself some tough decisions. Q10
isnt a good hand. I would rather know where I am at, and even when you
hit a piece of the flop, like you did, you will be guessing at where you
stand. Try playing hands that you will be more sure of where you are.
Without any info on the other player you are guessing even more.
After the flop you could be concerned too. Queens with a ten kicker isnt
a great situation to be in, especially with the action that ensues.
Whenever I am unsure of my situation I am more likely to fold. There are
plenty of times where the situation is just plain unclear. Not even the
best players could figure it out. Putting yourself in that position is a
very bad habit to have.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 14:20:17
From: Charles Darwin
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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FISH wrote:
> I've built my bankroll playing SNG's, but really want to switch over to
> playing ring games. I've been playing the PS 6 player tables and have had a
> good amount of success as of late. This hand came up and I wanted to get
> additional input to see what others felt of my decisions/play here.
>
>
>
> Situation:
>
> I've been playing at this table for a while and Vulex1 recently sat down (3
> rounds maybe). Since he has been at the table I haven't seen much from him
> and he hasn't seen much from me so neither would have a good read on the
> other player.
>
>
>
> Check out the HH and let me know what you think:
>
>
>
>
>
> POKERSTARS GAME #7498083888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/12/18 -
> 13:32:24 (ET)
> Table 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
> Seat 1: kb5lang3r ($88.05 in chips)
> Seat 2: cobb_81 ($39.30 in chips)
> Seat 3: beartrap7230 ($179 in chips)
> Seat 4: pjstanley567 ($163.10 in chips)
> Seat 5: vulex1 ($267.95 in chips)
> Seat 6: ME ($261.05 in chips)
> vulex1: posts small blind $1
> ME: posts big blind $2
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
> kb5lang3r: calls $2
> cobb_81: folds
> beartrap7230: folds
> pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
> vulex1: calls $7
> ME: calls $6
> kb5lang3r: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8d]
> vulex1: checks
> ME: bets $12
> pjstanley567: folds
> vulex1: raises $44 to $56
> ME: calls $44
> *** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8d] [6s]
> vulex1: bets $52
> ME: calls $52
> *** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8d 6s] [3d]
> vulex1: bets $151.95 and is all-in
> ME: calls $145.05 and is all-in
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
>
> ??????????????????????
>
>
>
>
>
> Here are my thoughts on why I played it the way I did and questions as to
> what you might have done:
>
>
>
> Preflop:
>
> I called preflop mainly because pjstanley had been a TOTAL MANIAC and I
> wanted to see a lot of flops as long as he was in the hand.
>
>
>
> Flop:
>
> Would you call the flop re-raise, fold, or re-raise him? I thought for a
> while and made the call as I felt I could be ahead at this point and had
> plenty of outs if I wasn't (decent flush draw, gut shot straight draw with
> the straight flush draw, 2 other Q's in the deck, 3 other 10's). I wasn't
> sure if he was making a play with the Ace high flush draw or trying to
> protect his made hand from being outdrawn by a 4th diamond. My hand had
> potential even if I was currently behind. I had position on him and decided
> to simply call in either case as I felt I could get the extra information I
> needed at the turn.
>
>
>
> Turn:
>
> A blank hits the turn and he bets $52 into a $148 pot. What do you do here?
> Would you call this bet, fold, raise? To me, this bet looks like he has the
> hand he likes and is NOT drawing to a better flush. The only hand I am very
> worried about at this point is the Ace of diamonds with the Q (top pair with
> the Ace high flush draw) and I can't see him pushing that hard with it. So
> this turn bet looks to me like he is afraid of the 3 diamonds on the board
> and is trying to push me off what he sees as my flush draw that will beat
> him. I make the call with the standpoint that I am now drawing. I am getting
> 3-1 to draw, but I have position on him and he has another $150 left. We
> both have committed a decent chunk of our stacks to this pot already and I
> can easily see getting the rest of his if I hit.
>
>
>
> River
>
> The diamond hits and I have my 10 high flush. Would you call his VERY QUICK
> all in bet of $150 making the pot about $390? I think for a while and call
> as I either have read the situation wrong and he was drawing to the A high
> flush or I have the best hand. I call because I feel the only two hands he
> could have that would beat me would be either Ace of diamonds with the Q or
> the King of diamonds with the Q. And like I said before I doubt he would
> have pushed that hard to get me out with either of these hands on the flop
> and the turn. More likely to me any number of strong hands that all would
> lose to this river diamond (a flopped set, straight, two pair, etc...). I
> make the call and hope he was trying to push me off my flush draw with his
> flop re-raise and turn bet.
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you think about this hand and the way I chose to play it?
Aside from folding pre-flop, I fold on the flop after the big raise.
You're only real improvement is a gut shot straight draw or trips. The
flush draw is too low to be considered as it would be 4 board cards.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:07:34
From: David Nicoson
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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FISH wrote:
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
> kb5lang3r: calls $2
> cobb_81: folds
> beartrap7230: folds
> pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
> vulex1: calls $7
> ME: calls $6
> kb5lang3r: folds
Fold preflop.
> *** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8d]
> vulex1: checks
> ME: bets $12
> pjstanley567: folds
> vulex1: raises $44 to $56
> ME: calls $44
A 4-flush with three on the board is much less powerful than a 4-flush
with two on the board. We have to be concerned about the made flush in
the latter case. We're never going to know where we are in this hand.
We might need a diamond or get beat by one.
> *** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8d] [6s]
> vulex1: bets $52
> ME: calls $52
He's pricing in a flush draw. I'd say it's a good bet that his hand
includes the Ad. He either has the nuts that he wants action on or
he's drawing to the nut flush.
I'd rather push here than pay off on the river.
> *** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8d 6s] [3d]
> vulex1: bets $151.95 and is all-in
> ME: calls $145.05 and is all-in
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
I'm pretty sure we're beat. I think this is a fold.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:58:31
From: ML
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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FISH wrote:
>
>
> I've been playing at this table for a while and Vulex1 recently sat down (3
> rounds maybe). Since he has been at the table I haven't seen much from him
> and he hasn't seen much from me so neither would have a good read on the
> other player.
>
THIS is the most important information! You had NO read on Vulex1, you
should have assumed he was a decent (tight?) player.
>
>
(snip)
> POKERSTARS GAME #7498083888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/12/18 -
> 13:32:24 (ET)
> Table 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
> Seat 1: kb5lang3r ($88.05 in chips)
> Seat 2: cobb_81 ($39.30 in chips)
> Seat 3: beartrap7230 ($179 in chips)
> Seat 4: pjstanley567 ($163.10 in chips)
> Seat 5: vulex1 ($267.95 in chips)
> Seat 6: ME ($261.05 in chips)
> vulex1: posts small blind $1
> ME: posts big blind $2
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
> kb5lang3r: calls $2
> cobb_81: folds
> beartrap7230: folds
> pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
> vulex1: calls $7
Warning number 1, unknown player calls bet from SB, ahead of you.
> ME: calls $6
First warning ignored. Mistake number 1.
> kb5lang3r: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8d]
> vulex1: checks
> ME: bets $12
Ok, I'm with you here.
Good play number 1.
> pjstanley567: folds
Warning number 2; maniac drops out. Yet, you keep playing as if THIS
is your opponent.
> vulex1: raises $44 to $56
Whooop! Whoop! Whoop! Danger, Will Robinson, danger!
> ME: calls $44
Oh well. Mistake number 2. vulex1 has at worst the Ad, and on a draw.
> *** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8d] [6s]
> vulex1: bets $52
Hmmm, now I think he DOES only have the Ad. His bet smells like a
"please give me odds to draw" bet. Raise NOW or fold. Please, please,
please don't just call!
> ME: calls $52
Sigh. Mistake number 3.
> *** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8d 6s] [3d]
> vulex1: bets $151.95 and is all-in
Add lights to the sirens, here, if it makes a bit of difference.
> ME: calls $145.05 and is all-in
Of course. Mistake 4.
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
>
> ??????????????????????
(snip)
>
> What do you think about this hand and the way I chose to play it?
Just tell us on what street you lost this hand.
--
ML
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:36:41
From: FISH
Subject: Re: How did I play this hand? (PS 6 players $1/$2 NL HH)
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I agree with most of the posts here that I played the hand pretty bad, but
this particular bad play worked out for me.
He had J/10 with no diamond...not sure what he was thinking along the way in
this hand. I was actually ahead the entire hand without needed the flush to
hit. Once to the 4th diamond hit and I made my mediocre flush, he must have
hoped I didn't have a diamond and would lay it down with his last push all
in.
After I won the hand, at least I still realized I played the hand pretty
badly. I just wanted to get some additional input to see if any of my
decisions were "correct" in this hand. Most of the posts here say none of
them were...lol.
I've been a crazy run of good breaks and I'll just chalk this one up to
another good break, NOT A GOOD PLAY. Oh' well still learning, thanks for the
input everyone.
"ML" <lipsey.mike@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166543911.768853.253350@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> FISH wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've been playing at this table for a while and Vulex1 recently sat down
>> (3
>> rounds maybe). Since he has been at the table I haven't seen much from
>> him
>> and he hasn't seen much from me so neither would have a good read on the
>> other player.
>>
>
> THIS is the most important information! You had NO read on Vulex1, you
> should have assumed he was a decent (tight?) player.
>
>>
>>
> (snip)
>
>> POKERSTARS GAME #7498083888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/12/18 -
>> 13:32:24 (ET)
>> Table 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
>> Seat 1: kb5lang3r ($88.05 in chips)
>> Seat 2: cobb_81 ($39.30 in chips)
>> Seat 3: beartrap7230 ($179 in chips)
>> Seat 4: pjstanley567 ($163.10 in chips)
>> Seat 5: vulex1 ($267.95 in chips)
>> Seat 6: ME ($261.05 in chips)
>> vulex1: posts small blind $1
>> ME: posts big blind $2
>> *** HOLE CARDS ***
>> Dealt to ME [Td Qs]
>> kb5lang3r: calls $2
>> cobb_81: folds
>> beartrap7230: folds
>> pjstanley567: raises $6 to $8
>> vulex1: calls $7
>
> Warning number 1, unknown player calls bet from SB, ahead of you.
>
>> ME: calls $6
>
> First warning ignored. Mistake number 1.
>
>> kb5lang3r: folds
>> *** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8d]
>> vulex1: checks
>> ME: bets $12
>
> Ok, I'm with you here.
> Good play number 1.
>
>> pjstanley567: folds
>
> Warning number 2; maniac drops out. Yet, you keep playing as if THIS
> is your opponent.
>
>> vulex1: raises $44 to $56
>
> Whooop! Whoop! Whoop! Danger, Will Robinson, danger!
>
>> ME: calls $44
>
> Oh well. Mistake number 2. vulex1 has at worst the Ad, and on a draw.
>
>> *** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8d] [6s]
>> vulex1: bets $52
>
> Hmmm, now I think he DOES only have the Ad. His bet smells like a
> "please give me odds to draw" bet. Raise NOW or fold. Please, please,
> please don't just call!
>
>> ME: calls $52
>
> Sigh. Mistake number 3.
>
>> *** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8d 6s] [3d]
>> vulex1: bets $151.95 and is all-in
>
> Add lights to the sirens, here, if it makes a bit of difference.
>
>> ME: calls $145.05 and is all-in
>
> Of course. Mistake 4.
>
>> *** SHOW DOWN ***
>>
>> ??????????????????????
>
> (snip)
>
>>
>> What do you think about this hand and the way I chose to play it?
>
> Just tell us on what street you lost this hand.
>
> --
> ML
>
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