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Date: 07 Dec 2006 09:34:18
From: hightz
Subject: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
have been handled by the poker room staff?
'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
for the best hand.
A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
Thanks in advance for your input!
AC
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 11:59:29
From: your name
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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"hightz" <aaroncorson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1165512858.000586.300620@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
>
As all have stated...
The unfortunate error was to your friends'. You must protect your hand. I
would suggest as well that merely just "capping" the cards with a chip may
not be enough.
The mere EFFORT to protect the hand doesn't automatically provide that
protection.
If someone fires there cards at the muck and they just happen to miss and
slide under your chip (even just one of their cards) and mingle with you
hand, YOUR hand is dead.
If the dealer is sweeping the table, "protected" cards can be fouled or
removed out from under a cursory attempt at "protection".
If your hand gets killed( prior to showdown), it was not protected, a
protected( by definition) hand cannot be killed. It's that simple.
The only true protection of a hand is to always have the cards in hand or
pinned to the table with your hand/fingers.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 10:57:13
From: BeaForoni
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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The only right thing to do would be to create a scene. After losing
you really should have spit in the face of the dealer. If you were
smart you could have worked up a real luggie when you went all in and
as he turned over the remaing cards. So now you have the attention of
the table, you need to gain everyone's respect. You should spit in the
face of the guy who just won, then spit at the player who won when you
mucked your cards, (I mean when the dealer mucked your cards ). Then as
security throws you out make a name for yourself buy screaming how you
are going to sue and do these people know who you are? The next step is
the most important and requires some planning ahead. Ever since the
Bradey Bill there is a three day cooling off period, but you have
thought ahead. As you reach under your car seat you feel the coolness
of the finest steel and so you click off the safety...
At least thats what I would have done.
hightz wrote:
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
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Date: 07 Dec 18:47:06
From: Auburn Sam
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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The staff should fire the dealer on Christmas Eve.
Auburn Sam
On Dec 7 2006 9:34 AM, hightz wrote:
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 06:47:43
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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That really isnt good, but I sense another problem. Could this
unfortunate mistake put your friend on tilt a little and that is what
caused him to bust out? Weird, bad things happen and he should have just
let it go and gotten past it as soon as possible.
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Date: 07 Dec 18:29:11
From: CHarrison100
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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On Dec 7 2006 12:34 PM, hightz wrote:
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
That sucks but he will never leave his hand unmarked again. Painful lesson.
The only thing worse is what I did last night I was dealing in a home game. I
raised and a few people folded. When I was pulling in the folds and the chips
before the flop I mucked my own hand even though I had my marker on it. as soon
as it touched I knew what I had done.
Felt a bit better when my hand didn't improve and I would have lost.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 18:23:49
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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It's the player's responsibility to protect his/her own hand. You friend is
unlikely to get much sympathy from experienced players.
Irish Mike
"hightz" <aaroncorson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1165512858.000586.300620@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
>
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 13:13:48
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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Was he sitting next to the dealer? In those seats, I've been advised a few
times to at least put a chip on my cards, so they don't get accidentally
mucked. Not sure what the official rules say here, but I think it's better
to be safe and protect your hand in some way like that.
John B.
"hightz" <aaroncorson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1165512858.000586.300620@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
>
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 09:54:38
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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hightz wrote:
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand.
Your man looked at his cards and left them uncapped within reach of the
dealer ?
He'll not be doing that again. He should just cap his cards once he
gets them, everytime.
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Date: 07 Dec 17:47:46
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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On Dec 7 2006 12:34 PM, hightz wrote:
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
The dealer should have been more apologetic, but assuming that there was no
ill-will on his end, your friend probably had his cards out too far. Once
they're mucked, there's nothing anybody can do, unfortunately.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 11:45:50
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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It's up to the player to protect their hand. The dealer can't possibly ask
everyone if they intend to fold or not.
"hightz" <aaroncorson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1165512858.000586.300620@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
>
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 20:20:57
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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"hightz" <aaroncorson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1165512858.000586.300620@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
I think your friend misspoke when he writes "this dealer probably cost me
$800-1000." He made the mistake, not the dealer.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 14:09:22
From: Sir Limpsalot
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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Tell me again how live is sooooo much better than online? <rolls eyes >
On Dec 7, 11:59 am, "your name" <traps...@gmail.com > wrote:
> "hightz" <aaroncor...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1165512858.000586.300620@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The unfortunate error was to your friends'. You must protect your hand. I
> would suggest as well that merely just "capping" the cards with a chip may
> not be enough.
>
> The mere EFFORT to protect the hand doesn't automatically provide that
> protection.
>
> If someone fires there cards at the muck and they just happen to miss and
> slide under your chip (even just one of their cards) and mingle with you
> hand, YOUR hand is dead.
>
> If the dealer is sweeping the table, "protected" cards can be fouled or
> removed out from under a cursory attempt at "protection".
>
> If your hand gets killed( prior to showdown), it was not protected, a
> protected( by definition) hand cannot be killed. It's that simple.
>
> The only true protection of a hand is to always have the cards in hand or
> pinned to the table with your hand/fingers
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 13:19:44
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Horrible Dealer Error in Live Tournament!!
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hightz wrote:
> This happened to a friend of mine last night in a small buy-in
> tournament at Harrah's here in St. Louis. How should this situation
> have been handled by the poker room staff?
>
> 'I played in the $65 buy-in tournament last night. I make it to the
> final table with 12,500 in chips. The top six people get paid and
> there are 8 of us left out of 70. I get K-K on the button with blinds
> at 800-1600. I'm in the six seat, and as it folds around to me, I'm
> looking at my chips to see how much to raise....with no warning the
> dealer reaches across and mucks my hand. He does this without asking
> me if I want to fold...then doesn't even apologize, just saying "well,
> you didn't have anything on top of your cards". The hand gets checked
> down by a guy who limped under the gun with A-K, who I am certain would
> have called my raise, and another guy. I would have made Queens full
> for the best hand.
> A few hand later I became the dreaded "bubble boy" in 7th place when my
> Ah-Qh was cracked by Ad-Jd who made the nut flush after calling my
> all-in preflop. So this dealer probably cost me $800-$1000 as I would
> have had $25K in chips, been the 2nd chip leader at the table and would
> have been in great position to win or at least cash in the tournament.'
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
> AC
If you are within easy reach of the dealer and are contemplating
anything and DONOT want your hand mucked you better hold them, keep
your hand on them or put something on them or have very quick reflexes
and smack his hand when he goes for your cards.
Has anyone seent hat Comcast commercial where the two cowboys are in a
stand off and the one that represents Comcast guy keeps slapping the
other then reaches for his gun and he does it over and over? Thats how
fast you better be.
The funniest commercial I have seen in a long time.
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