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Date: 17 Dec 2006 02:15:49
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Subject: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
the site. Just thought I would let you know.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 10:34:54
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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I can check with Tony directly, although he is out of touch right now, but
I don't think he ever said that about Stars. About Party, absolutely ,
but about Stars, i don't think so.
On Dec 17 2006 5:15 AM, rgposter wrote:
> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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Date: 17 Dec 21:54:54
From: Tony Popejoy
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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Ok, First and foremost I'm not a world champ,......... yet. Although it's a
safe bet that I will be :) Second, I said that Party Poker was beyond a shadow
a doubt manipulated . If a game is meant to be manipulated, are you being
cheated or are you just not playing "poker" as you know it? What I've always
said about Stars is that I love their tournaments, but I'm uncomfortable in the
live games because I struggle to break even. Considering live I win in limit
hold em up to stakes of 400-800, I find it odd that I can't handly beat the
10-20 hold em online. I chalk it up to my ignorance of online poker I guess.
Like I said I love the tournies at Stars, I'm comfortable there, and anytime
you're not comfortable playing somewhere, you should look for another game.
Tony Popejoy
On Dec 17 2006 1:34 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> I can check with Tony directly, although he is out of touch right now, but
> I don't think he ever said that about Stars. About Party, absolutely ,
> but about Stars, i don't think so.
>
> On Dec 17 2006 5:15 AM, rgposter wrote:
>
> > I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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Date: 17 Dec 22:44:39
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On Dec 17 2006 2:54 PM, Tony Popejoy wrote:
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> Ok, First and foremost I'm not a world champ
Youo are in my book big guy :)
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Date: 18 Dec
From: pokernut904
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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If online sites were rigged, why would the gaming sites,especially the big ones
risk their entire company to cheat? I know it may be hard to prove but an MIT
student could easily make a program to track the gaming sites actions or
multiple players hand histories and do it without even getting out of their
pajamas. If someone did prove it, it would bankrupt that company, land people in
jail and create havoc in the poker world...so where is the reward? (the safe
long term reward that is), Losing sucks but that is part of poker.
On Dec 17 2006 5:44 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 2:54 PM, Tony Popejoy wrote:
>
> >
> > Ok, First and foremost I'm not a world champ
>
> Youo are in my book big guy :)
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 19:45:25
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On Mon, 18 Dec 06 3:30:00 GMT, pokernut904 <43086576@recpoker.com > wrote:
>
>If online sites were rigged, why would the gaming sites,especially the big ones
>risk their entire company to cheat?
Who is going to catch them?
Who is going to prosecute them?
Who cares. It's gambling.
It's like accusing your local bookie of being dishonest.
For every one who catches on, there are TWO suckers to replace them.
It's greed man. Money for nothing.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 22:02:32
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Dec 06 3:30:00 GMT, pokernut904 <43086576@recpoker.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>If online sites were rigged, why would the gaming sites,especially the big
>>ones
>>risk their entire company to cheat?
>
> Who is going to catch them?
> Who is going to prosecute them?
> Who cares. It's gambling.
> It's like accusing your local bookie of being dishonest.
> For every one who catches on, there are TWO suckers to replace them.
> It's greed man. Money for nothing.
Well, for me, if someone came forward with proof of some statistical merit,
I would quit playing at the site. In fact I seem to have made a jackass of
myself continually trying to get someone to step forward with something
except empty assertions.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 20:07:09
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:02:32 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net > wrote:
>
>"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:5f3co2t5vm2tv3l3s4vqc0jrd1jfgobq8d@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 06 3:30:00 GMT, pokernut904 <43086576@recpoker.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>If online sites were rigged, why would the gaming sites,especially the big
>>>ones
>>>risk their entire company to cheat?
>>
>> Who is going to catch them?
>> Who is going to prosecute them?
>> Who cares. It's gambling.
>> It's like accusing your local bookie of being dishonest.
>> For every one who catches on, there are TWO suckers to replace them.
>> It's greed man. Money for nothing.
>
>Well, for me, if someone came forward with proof of some statistical merit,
>I would quit playing at the site. In fact I seem to have made a jackass of
>myself continually trying to get someone to step forward with something
>except empty assertions.
>
It's really quite simple.
They can cheat, catching them would be virtually impossible. Cheating makes them gobs
more cash.
Therefore common sense tells you they are cheating their asses off.
Tell me if you could sit in on a card game where you could see all the cards and NOT
get caught could you resist the urge? Not unless your name is Jesus.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:30:55
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:02:32 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:5f3co2t5vm2tv3l3s4vqc0jrd1jfgobq8d@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Dec 06 3:30:00 GMT, pokernut904 <43086576@recpoker.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>If online sites were rigged, why would the gaming sites,especially the
>>>>big
>>>>ones
>>>>risk their entire company to cheat?
>>>
>>> Who is going to catch them?
>>> Who is going to prosecute them?
>>> Who cares. It's gambling.
>>> It's like accusing your local bookie of being dishonest.
>>> For every one who catches on, there are TWO suckers to replace them.
>>> It's greed man. Money for nothing.
>>
>>Well, for me, if someone came forward with proof of some statistical
>>merit,
>>I would quit playing at the site. In fact I seem to have made a jackass
>>of
>>myself continually trying to get someone to step forward with something
>>except empty assertions.
>>
> It's really quite simple.
> They can cheat, catching them would be virtually impossible. Cheating
> makes them gobs
> more cash.
> Therefore common sense tells you they are cheating their asses off.
> Tell me if you could sit in on a card game where you could see all the
> cards and NOT
> get caught could you resist the urge? Not unless your name is Jesus.
>
That kind of "common sense" keeps its money under the matress, a tin foil
hat on the night stand and a 45 auto locked and loaded under the pillow.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 15:11:52
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:30:55 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net > wrote:
>> It's really quite simple.
>> They can cheat, catching them would be virtually impossible. Cheating
>> makes them gobs
>> more cash.
>> Therefore common sense tells you they are cheating their asses off.
>> Tell me if you could sit in on a card game where you could see all the
>> cards and NOT
>> get caught could you resist the urge? Not unless your name is Jesus.
>>
>That kind of "common sense" keeps its money under the matress
You are trying to compare the types of people who run UNREGULATED gambling sites to
regulated banks?
LOL!
There is a sucker posting every minute and right now it's YOU my dim witted friend.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 20:28:32
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:30:55 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> It's really quite simple.
>>> They can cheat, catching them would be virtually impossible. Cheating
>>> makes them gobs
>>> more cash.
>>> Therefore common sense tells you they are cheating their asses off.
>>> Tell me if you could sit in on a card game where you could see all the
>>> cards and NOT
>>> get caught could you resist the urge? Not unless your name is Jesus.
>>>
>>That kind of "common sense" keeps its money under the matress
>
> You are trying to compare the types of people who run UNREGULATED gambling
> sites to
> regulated banks?
> LOL!
> There is a sucker posting every minute and right now it's YOU my dim
> witted friend.
>
No, just observing the type of ranting that takes the place of evidence.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 19:52:18
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:28:32 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net > wrote:
>
>"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:qs7eo2lqud4b87noj0ortl7af2e93lrusv@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:30:55 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> It's really quite simple.
>>>> They can cheat, catching them would be virtually impossible. Cheating
>>>> makes them gobs
>>>> more cash.
>>>> Therefore common sense tells you they are cheating their asses off.
>>>> Tell me if you could sit in on a card game where you could see all the
>>>> cards and NOT
>>>> get caught could you resist the urge? Not unless your name is Jesus.
>>>>
>>>That kind of "common sense" keeps its money under the matress
>>
>> You are trying to compare the types of people who run UNREGULATED gambling
>> sites to
>> regulated banks?
>> LOL!
>> There is a sucker posting every minute and right now it's YOU my dim
>> witted friend.
>>
>No, just observing the type of ranting that takes the place of evidence.
>
Site ops have complete control of the cards dealt and can tweak the 'deck' in any way
they choose. They can even have a lucky deck follow a SINGLE player and set it to
expire after he has a set stack.
SOME 'floor persons' can see all the cards being dealt and tweak the deck at any
time. Often used to punish abusive high rollers they want to keep around.
There is absolutely nothing they can't do.
All the cheats are designed to take as much cream off the top as they can and keep
their player numbers up.
They are even notified when players they want to keep around hit losing streaks that
might make them quit. Read sentence two..<g >
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:39:12
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:28:32 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:qs7eo2lqud4b87noj0ortl7af2e93lrusv@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:30:55 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's really quite simple.
>>>>> They can cheat, catching them would be virtually impossible. Cheating
>>>>> makes them gobs
>>>>> more cash.
>>>>> Therefore common sense tells you they are cheating their asses off.
>>>>> Tell me if you could sit in on a card game where you could see all the
>>>>> cards and NOT
>>>>> get caught could you resist the urge? Not unless your name is Jesus.
>>>>>
>>>>That kind of "common sense" keeps its money under the matress
>>>
>>> You are trying to compare the types of people who run UNREGULATED
>>> gambling
>>> sites to
>>> regulated banks?
>>> LOL!
>>> There is a sucker posting every minute and right now it's YOU my dim
>>> witted friend.
>>>
>>No, just observing the type of ranting that takes the place of evidence.
>>
> Site ops have complete control of the cards dealt and can tweak the 'deck'
> in any way
> they choose. They can even have a lucky deck follow a SINGLE player and
> set it to
> expire after he has a set stack.
> SOME 'floor persons' can see all the cards being dealt and tweak the deck
> at any
> time. Often used to punish abusive high rollers they want to keep around.
> There is absolutely nothing they can't do.
> All the cheats are designed to take as much cream off the top as they can
> and keep
> their player numbers up.
> They are even notified when players they want to keep around hit losing
> streaks that
> might make them quit. Read sentence two..<g>
Conjecture, irrelevant "facts", nonsense, ad-hominem, plain scary stuff,
anything and everything but EVIDENCE. Do you know what the word means?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 14:44:54
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:39:12 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net > wrote:
>
>"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:luneo21udmtm3q8f891kj6ajn3625nglii@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:28:32 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bill Richie" <BR4867@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:qs7eo2lqud4b87noj0ortl7af2e93lrusv@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:30:55 -0600, "mccard" <mcsoft@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> It's really quite simple.
>>>>>> They can cheat, catching them would be virtually impossible. Cheating
>>>>>> makes them gobs
>>>>>> more cash.
>>>>>> Therefore common sense tells you they are cheating their asses off.
>>>>>> Tell me if you could sit in on a card game where you could see all the
>>>>>> cards and NOT
>>>>>> get caught could you resist the urge? Not unless your name is Jesus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>That kind of "common sense" keeps its money under the matress
>>>>
>>>> You are trying to compare the types of people who run UNREGULATED
>>>> gambling
>>>> sites to
>>>> regulated banks?
>>>> LOL!
>>>> There is a sucker posting every minute and right now it's YOU my dim
>>>> witted friend.
>>>>
>>>No, just observing the type of ranting that takes the place of evidence.
>>>
>> Site ops have complete control of the cards dealt and can tweak the 'deck'
>> in any way
>> they choose. They can even have a lucky deck follow a SINGLE player and
>> set it to
>> expire after he has a set stack.
>> SOME 'floor persons' can see all the cards being dealt and tweak the deck
>> at any
>> time. Often used to punish abusive high rollers they want to keep around.
>> There is absolutely nothing they can't do.
>> All the cheats are designed to take as much cream off the top as they can
>> and keep
>> their player numbers up.
>> They are even notified when players they want to keep around hit losing
>> streaks that
>> might make them quit. Read sentence two..<g>
>
>Conjecture, irrelevant "facts", nonsense, ad-hominem, plain scary stuff,
>anything and everything but EVIDENCE. Do you know what the word means?
>
Yes.
There is nothing to prevent poker sites from stealing at will. They control every
aspect of the game and can tweak it at any time. No one can stop them or even catch
them.
The question you have to ask yourself are they run by the types of people you would
trust in YOUR daily life? They have to allow some winners, just hope one of them is
you. <bfg >
I've said my piece. I'm done.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 20:06:46
From: Bill Ricardi
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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Bill Richie wrote:
> lol
> Are you always a village idiot or do you just play one on Usenet.
I forwarded this to alt.morons for ya, Biff! You seem right at home
there.
An excellent question, Biff!
I provide useful advice and in depth analysis. You insult and troll,
and try to be as cool as I am by stealing a portion of my name. I come
up with witting repartee and stinging jibes, while you (and I quote)
'lol'. Most importantly, I use a question mark at the end of a
question, and you apparently do not (NB: though you may think it's
clever to claim it was more of a statement, it really, really isn't).
Anyway, enjoy yourself there Biff!
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 20:17:20
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On 18 Dec 2006 20:06:46 -0800, Village Idiot "Bill Ricardi"
<billricardi@googlemail.com > wrote:
>I forwarded this to alt.morons for ya, Biff!
Is that your home group Ricky? I suspect you fit right in. :)
You post like a spoiled child BTW.
--
Bill Richie
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 14:17:50
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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Hi SLIM!
On Dec 17 2006 4:54 PM, Tony Popejoy wrote:
>
> Ok, First and foremost I'm not a world champ,......... yet. Although
it's a
> safe bet that I will be :) Second, I said that Party Poker was beyond a
shadow
> a doubt manipulated . If a game is meant to be manipulated, are you being
> cheated or are you just not playing "poker" as you know it? What I've always
> said about Stars is that I love their tournaments, but I'm uncomfortable in
the
> live games because I struggle to break even. Considering live I win in limit
> hold em up to stakes of 400-800, I find it odd that I can't handly beat the
> 10-20 hold em online. I chalk it up to my ignorance of online poker I guess.
> Like I said I love the tournies at Stars, I'm comfortable there, and anytime
> you're not comfortable playing somewhere, you should look for another game.
>
>
> Tony Popejoy
>
> On Dec 17 2006 1:34 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
>
> > I can check with Tony directly, although he is out of touch right now, but
> > I don't think he ever said that about Stars. About Party, absolutely ,
> > but about Stars, i don't think so.
> >
> > On Dec 17 2006 5:15 AM, rgposter wrote:
> >
> > > I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> > > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> > > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> > > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> > > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> > > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> > > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> > > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> > > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> > > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> > > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> > > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
> >
> >
> > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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Date: 17 Dec 18:30:51
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On Dec 17 2006 3:15 AM, rgposter@yahoo.com wrote:
> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
Not saying it is rigged but I have seen shit there happen way beyond the norm.
I have seen at least 3 perfect perfect hits in one day which you would not see
in 6 months in the real world.
I also found if you play as long as you have some type of out you will be the
game like a flipping drum. Nothing like being the dog and knowing you will get
there. I play there for fun from time to time and if I have a draw no matter
how slim against a hand I know is big I am putting my chips in. All the big
pots I have won is when I have been out of line. All the big pots I have lost
are when I am playing correctly.
Example flop top set on a board of K 10 2 rainbow turn 5 suit the 10 river 4
sure enough the set of kings gets killed by the guy that called %40 with 3 6
offsuit. LOL
Or J 8 verus 8 6 with a flop of j 8 2 for course turn and river are 6s LOL
Pokerstars loves the underdog.
I cant tell you have many time I have seen JJ run over KK with a flop of K A 10.
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Date: 17 Dec 21:00:53
From: jimpepper
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On Dec 17 2006 1:30 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 3:15 AM, rgposter@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>
> Not saying it is rigged but I have seen shit there happen way beyond the norm.
> I have seen at least 3 perfect perfect hits in one day which you would not see
> in 6 months in the real world.
> I also found if you play as long as you have some type of out you will be the
> game like a flipping drum. Nothing like being the dog and knowing you will
> get
> there. I play there for fun from time to time and if I have a draw no matter
> how slim against a hand I know is big I am putting my chips in. All the big
> pots I have won is when I have been out of line. All the big pots I have lost
> are when I am playing correctly.
> Example flop top set on a board of K 10 2 rainbow turn 5 suit the 10 river 4
> sure enough the set of kings gets killed by the guy that called %40 with 3 6
> offsuit. LOL
> Or J 8 verus 8 6 with a flop of j 8 2 for course turn and river are 6s LOL
> Pokerstars loves the underdog.
> I cant tell you have many time I have seen JJ run over KK with a flop of K A
> 10.
>
>
A fooking retarded monkey could play there and break even for months and months.
His longshot calls would hit enough to break even.
No one is a fish when 2-3 offsuit versus AA is a coin flip.
My retarded monkeys account is still even, but he's yet to hit the long run so
this proves nothing.
jim
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Date: 17 Dec 22:43:13
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is
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On Dec 17 2006 2:00 PM, jimpepper wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 1:30 PM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17 2006 3:15 AM, rgposter@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> > > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> > > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> > > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> > > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> > > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> > > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> > > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> > > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> > > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> > > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> > > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
> >
> > Not saying it is rigged but I have seen shit there happen way beyond the
> > norm.
> > I have seen at least 3 perfect perfect hits in one day which you would not
> > see
> > in 6 months in the real world.
> > I also found if you play as long as you have some type of out you will be
> > the
> > game like a flipping drum. Nothing like being the dog and knowing you will
> > get
> > there. I play there for fun from time to time and if I have a draw no
> > matter
> > how slim against a hand I know is big I am putting my chips in. All the big
> > pots I have won is when I have been out of line. All the big pots I have
> > lost
> > are when I am playing correctly.
> > Example flop top set on a board of K 10 2 rainbow turn 5 suit the 10 river 4
> > sure enough the set of kings gets killed by the guy that called %40 with 3 6
> > offsuit. LOL
> > Or J 8 verus 8 6 with a flop of j 8 2 for course turn and river are 6s LOL
> > Pokerstars loves the underdog.
> > I cant tell you have many time I have seen JJ run over KK with a flop of K A
> > 10.
> >
> >
>
>
> A fooking retarded monkey could play there and break even for months and
> months.
> His longshot calls would hit enough to break even.
> No one is a fish when 2-3 offsuit versus AA is a coin flip.
> My retarded monkeys account is still even, but he's yet to hit the long run
> so
> this proves nothing.
> jim
>
My worm is up nine inches :)
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 11:50:47
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On Sun, 17 Dec 06 18:30:51 GMT, arlo payne <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>On Dec 17 2006 3:15 AM, rgposter@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
>> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
>> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
>> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
>> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
>> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
>> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
>> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
>> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
>> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
>> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
>> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>
>Not saying it is rigged but I have seen shit there happen way beyond the norm.
>I have seen at least 3 perfect perfect hits in one day which you would not see
>in 6 months in the real world.
>I also found if you play as long as you have some type of out you will be the
>game like a flipping drum. Nothing like being the dog and knowing you will get
>there. I play there for fun from time to time and if I have a draw no matter
>how slim against a hand I know is big I am putting my chips in. All the big
>pots I have won is when I have been out of line. All the big pots I have lost
>are when I am playing correctly.
>Example flop top set on a board of K 10 2 rainbow turn 5 suit the 10 river 4
>sure enough the set of kings gets killed by the guy that called %40 with 3 6
>offsuit. LOL
>Or J 8 verus 8 6 with a flop of j 8 2 for course turn and river are 6s LOL
>Pokerstars loves the underdog.
>I cant tell you have many time I have seen JJ run over KK with a flop of K A 10.
>
It's interesting that on PokerinCanada.ca free game I suggested several times in the
chat box that the game was seeing dream flops with people holding pre flop folding
cards beating out big hands made before the turn.
Before I posted those remarks I had several hundred thousand free dollars that just
disappeared out of my account and now I can get off the 500$ free table.
Here is the clincher. If we put together a full table of OLD timers the game seems to
return to normal. It's only the high flying newbies who get the dream flops.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 10:33:30
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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<rgposter@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>
Where is the statistical proof?
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Date: 17 Dec 18:37:21
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On Dec 17 2006 9:33 AM, mccard wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
> >
> Where is the statistical proof?
Thats the trick.
Nobody has enough data it have proof. Without crunching ALL the hands it can be
set so it all looks normal with standard statistical data based on the limited
information a player can have.
you can only really use data for allin hand preflop (in general) to get any data
that could be judged and the number of hands still needs to be large. Just
doing simple number crunching on hands dealt has no meaning because as I stated
I could set it up where the data would all look clean.
I know if I wanted to set a site up with hot hands I would use a random stripped
deck which would over time balance all the numbers from the limited view you get
from looking at only one players hands. That would also give you more action.
Another reason to play Omaha less chance of anyone using a stripped deck.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 14:00:12
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166380641$923145@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 9:33 AM, mccard wrote:
>
>> wrote in message
>> news:1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> >I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
>> > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
>> > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
>> > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
>> > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
>> > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
>> > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
>> > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
>> > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
>> > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
>> > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
>> > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>> >
>> Where is the statistical proof?
>
>
> Thats the trick.
> Nobody has enough data it have proof. Without crunching ALL the hands it
> can be
> set so it all looks normal with standard statistical data based on the
> limited
> information a player can have.
> you can only really use data for allin hand preflop (in general) to get
> any data
> that could be judged and the number of hands still needs to be large. Just
> doing simple number crunching on hands dealt has no meaning because as I
> stated
> I could set it up where the data would all look clean.
>
> I know if I wanted to set a site up with hot hands I would use a random
> stripped
> deck which would over time balance all the numbers from the limited view
> you get
> from looking at only one players hands. That would also give you more
> action.
> Another reason to play Omaha less chance of anyone using a stripped deck.
>
Don't think it would be that difficult to set up a correctly falsifiable
hypothesis and design a data collection regime that would smoke out a
deviation from normal so small that it would make the most determined fraud
quake in their boots.
I'm not going to spend my time and money to do it because its up to the
people who shout rigged at every possible opportunity to prove their
bullshit. Get a group together, hire an expert provide the proof...or STFU.
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Date: 17 Dec 19:59:38
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
|
On Dec 17 2006 1:00 PM, mccard wrote:
> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> news:1166380641$923145@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17 2006 9:33 AM, mccard wrote:
> >
> >> wrote in message
> >> news:1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >> >I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> >> > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> >> > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> >> > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> >> > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> >> > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> >> > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> >> > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> >> > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> >> > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> >> > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> >> > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
> >> >
> >> Where is the statistical proof?
> >
> >
> > Thats the trick.
> > Nobody has enough data it have proof. Without crunching ALL the hands it
> > can be
> > set so it all looks normal with standard statistical data based on the
> > limited
> > information a player can have.
> > you can only really use data for allin hand preflop (in general) to get
> > any data
> > that could be judged and the number of hands still needs to be large. Just
> > doing simple number crunching on hands dealt has no meaning because as I
> > stated
> > I could set it up where the data would all look clean.
> >
> > I know if I wanted to set a site up with hot hands I would use a random
> > stripped
> > deck which would over time balance all the numbers from the limited view
> > you get
> > from looking at only one players hands. That would also give you more
> > action.
> > Another reason to play Omaha less chance of anyone using a stripped deck.
> >
> Don't think it would be that difficult to set up a correctly falsifiable
> hypothesis and design a data collection regime that would smoke out a
> deviation from normal so small that it would make the most determined fraud
> quake in their boots.
>
> I'm not going to spend my time and money to do it because its up to the
> people who shout rigged at every possible opportunity to prove their
> bullshit. Get a group together, hire an expert provide the proof...or STFU.
Learn how to read then fuck off punk!
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 14:28:53
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166385578$923194@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 1:00 PM, mccard wrote:
>
>> "arlo payne" wrote in message
>> news:1166380641$923145@recpoker.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 17 2006 9:33 AM, mccard wrote:
>> >
>> >> wrote in message
>> >> news:1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
>> >> > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players
>> >> > out
>> >> > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that
>> >> > they
>> >> > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
>> >> > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
>> >> > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
>> >> > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning
>> >> > player.
>> >> > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
>> >> > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
>> >> > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
>> >> > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working
>> >> > for
>> >> > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>> >> >
>> >> Where is the statistical proof?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thats the trick.
>> > Nobody has enough data it have proof. Without crunching ALL the hands
>> > it
>> > can be
>> > set so it all looks normal with standard statistical data based on the
>> > limited
>> > information a player can have.
>> > you can only really use data for allin hand preflop (in general) to get
>> > any data
>> > that could be judged and the number of hands still needs to be large.
>> > Just
>> > doing simple number crunching on hands dealt has no meaning because as
>> > I
>> > stated
>> > I could set it up where the data would all look clean.
>> >
>> > I know if I wanted to set a site up with hot hands I would use a random
>> > stripped
>> > deck which would over time balance all the numbers from the limited
>> > view
>> > you get
>> > from looking at only one players hands. That would also give you more
>> > action.
>> > Another reason to play Omaha less chance of anyone using a stripped
>> > deck.
>> >
>> Don't think it would be that difficult to set up a correctly falsifiable
>> hypothesis and design a data collection regime that would smoke out a
>> deviation from normal so small that it would make the most determined
>> fraud
>> quake in their boots.
>>
>> I'm not going to spend my time and money to do it because its up to the
>> people who shout rigged at every possible opportunity to prove their
>> bullshit. Get a group together, hire an expert provide the proof...or
>> STFU.
>
> Learn how to read then fuck off punk!
>
Arlo, I was referring to those shouting rigged at every turn. Unless you
include yourself in that rabble, pardon me if I made it seem otherwise.
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Date: 17 Dec 22:34:54
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On Dec 17 2006 1:28 PM, mccard wrote:
> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> news:1166385578$923194@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17 2006 1:00 PM, mccard wrote:
> >
> >> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> >> news:1166380641$923145@recpoker.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 17 2006 9:33 AM, mccard wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> >> >> > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players
> >> >> > out
> >> >> > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> >> >> > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> >> >> > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> >> >> > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning
> >> >> > player.
> >> >> > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> >> >> > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> >> >> > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> >> >> > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Where is the statistical proof?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thats the trick.
> >> > Nobody has enough data it have proof. Without crunching ALL the hands
> >> > it
> >> > can be
> >> > set so it all looks normal with standard statistical data based on the
> >> > limited
> >> > information a player can have.
> >> > you can only really use data for allin hand preflop (in general) to get
> >> > any data
> >> > that could be judged and the number of hands still needs to be large.
> >> > Just
> >> > doing simple number crunching on hands dealt has no meaning because as
> >> > I
> >> > stated
> >> > I could set it up where the data would all look clean.
> >> >
> >> > I know if I wanted to set a site up with hot hands I would use a random
> >> > stripped
> >> > deck which would over time balance all the numbers from the limited
> >> > view
> >> > you get
> >> > from looking at only one players hands. That would also give you more
> >> > action.
> >> > Another reason to play Omaha less chance of anyone using a stripped
> >> > deck.
> >> >
> >> Don't think it would be that difficult to set up a correctly falsifiable
> >> hypothesis and design a data collection regime that would smoke out a
> >> deviation from normal so small that it would make the most determined
> >> fraud
> >> quake in their boots.
> >>
> >> I'm not going to spend my time and money to do it because its up to the
> >> people who shout rigged at every possible opportunity to prove their
> >> bullshit. Get a group together, hire an expert provide the proof...or
> >> STFU.
> >
> > Learn how to read then fuck off punk!
> >
> Arlo, I was referring to those shouting rigged at every turn. Unless you
> include yourself in that rabble, pardon me if I made it seem otherwise.
Oh OK then I am sorry. It was the flow of the thread yours attached to mine. I
had stated why it is almost impossible to get data with real value (both sides)
and I also talked about what can be done. I never mentioned the word rigged.
Anyway please forgive me however as I said the thread flow appeared it was
directed at me and I always fire back :)
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 20:28:02
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166394894$923304@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 1:28 PM, mccard wrote:
>
>> "arlo payne" wrote in message
>> news:1166385578$923194@recpoker.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 17 2006 1:00 PM, mccard wrote:
>> >
>> >> "arlo payne" wrote in message
>> >> news:1166380641$923145@recpoker.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Dec 17 2006 9:33 AM, mccard wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win
>> >> >> >there,
>> >> >> > but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse
>> >> >> > players
>> >> >> > out
>> >> >> > and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
>> >> >> > Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't
>> >> >> > notice
>> >> >> > that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning
>> >> >> > player.
>> >> >> > Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more
>> >> >> > than
>> >> >> > twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
>> >> >> > definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the
>> >> >> > only
>> >> >> > people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills
>> >> >> > working
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Where is the statistical proof?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Thats the trick.
>> >> > Nobody has enough data it have proof. Without crunching ALL the
>> >> > hands
>> >> > it
>> >> > can be
>> >> > set so it all looks normal with standard statistical data based on
>> >> > the
>> >> > limited
>> >> > information a player can have.
>> >> > you can only really use data for allin hand preflop (in general) to
>> >> > get
>> >> > any data
>> >> > that could be judged and the number of hands still needs to be
>> >> > large.
>> >> > Just
>> >> > doing simple number crunching on hands dealt has no meaning because
>> >> > as
>> >> > I
>> >> > stated
>> >> > I could set it up where the data would all look clean.
>> >> >
>> >> > I know if I wanted to set a site up with hot hands I would use a
>> >> > random
>> >> > stripped
>> >> > deck which would over time balance all the numbers from the limited
>> >> > view
>> >> > you get
>> >> > from looking at only one players hands. That would also give you
>> >> > more
>> >> > action.
>> >> > Another reason to play Omaha less chance of anyone using a stripped
>> >> > deck.
>> >> >
>> >> Don't think it would be that difficult to set up a correctly
>> >> falsifiable
>> >> hypothesis and design a data collection regime that would smoke out a
>> >> deviation from normal so small that it would make the most determined
>> >> fraud
>> >> quake in their boots.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not going to spend my time and money to do it because its up to
>> >> the
>> >> people who shout rigged at every possible opportunity to prove their
>> >> bullshit. Get a group together, hire an expert provide the proof...or
>> >> STFU.
>> >
>> > Learn how to read then fuck off punk!
>> >
>> Arlo, I was referring to those shouting rigged at every turn. Unless you
>> include yourself in that rabble, pardon me if I made it seem otherwise.
>
> Oh OK then I am sorry. It was the flow of the thread yours attached to
> mine. I
> had stated why it is almost impossible to get data with real value (both
> sides)
> and I also talked about what can be done. I never mentioned the word
> rigged.
> Anyway please forgive me however as I said the thread flow appeared it was
> directed at me and I always fire back :)
>
Thanks, I will in future, try to be much more careful in how I respond to or
add to a threads.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 04:43:36
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On Dec 17 2006 4:15 AM, rgposter wrote:
> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees.
I seem to recall Tony winning the Sunday million not that long ago.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 06:51:52
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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So nobody is an honest winning player at pokerstars? WOW!!!! Someone
alert the authorities.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:18:22
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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Bill Richie wrote:
> On 18 Dec 2006 05:32:45 -0800, "Batman" <Batman@azteca.net> wrote:
>
> >So, it is your contention that the site is set such that new players
> >win at a higher rate than the old timers?
>
> Not necessarily. I think initially yes but then it's based on your spending habits.
Spending habits? So, they have information based on whether you shop
at Best Buy, Walmart, Kohl's, etc.?
> The idea is to addict you to the site so you keep coming back.
Addict you? Like, its a shot they give you?
>If you are a poor
> poker player better cards will do this.
So, if you're a good poker player, good cards won't addict you?
> Then their are the bogus players who are system ops who can see all the cards.
Who are these bogus players? Have you experienced them? Please tell
the rest of them their names so we can be forewarned.
> These aren't boy scouts running these UNREGULATED sites. If they can sit down and
> steal thousand of dollars extra at any time they are going to do it.
OOhhhhh...we're talking THOUSANDS of dollars? Wow! They are making
hundreds of thousands of dollars off of interest everyday, not to
mention the rake, but they're going ot cheat for THOUSANDS of dollars.
> All the sites are crooked. Some steal less and you might never be a victim. They need
> winners to attract others to the site.
> BUT if you are a lousy poker player expect to win dream big hands until you are
> hooked. Then expect to lose at a rate that closely matches your ability to pay..:)
I know how to beat the system! I'm going to give all my money away,
then my ability to pay drops significantly, and they'll let me win
again! Sunday Million, here I come!
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 12:05:11
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On 18 Dec 2006 11:18:22 -0800, trangers16@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Then their are the bogus players who are system ops who can see all the cards.
>
>Who are these bogus players? Have you experienced them? Please tell
>the rest of them their names so we can be forewarned.
LOL!
Some 'floor persons' system ops can create a personality and sit in at any time. He
can see all the cards and manipulate the deck. They can steal at will.
It's fun to watch them do this to steal an entire stack from abusive players.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:59:58
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On 18 Dec 2006 11:18:22 -0800, trangers16@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>Bill Richie wrote:
>> On 18 Dec 2006 05:32:45 -0800, "Batman" <Batman@azteca.net> wrote:
>>
>> >So, it is your contention that the site is set such that new players
>> >win at a higher rate than the old timers?
>>
>> Not necessarily. I think initially yes but then it's based on your spending habits.
>
>Spending habits?
Your credit rating is an open book. So are your spending habits by virtue of that
report. They know exactly how much money you have, and how you spend it..
Which site are you shilling for BTW?
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 05:32:45
From: Batman
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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So, it is your contention that the site is set such that new players
win at a higher rate than the old timers? I'm just asking what it is
you're implying. Or maybe you're inferring it, I'm not sure :)
Mike
Writer, http://www.pokerallstar.com
Owner, http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalPoker/
Co-Owner, Pokerholics, the #1 Poker Group on Yahoo!!!
Owner, http://VirtualPaintings.tk
Bill Richie wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 06 18:30:51 GMT, arlo payne <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >On Dec 17 2006 3:15 AM, rgposter@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> >> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> >> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> >> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> >> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> >> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> >> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> >> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> >> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> >> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> >> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> >> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
> >
> >Not saying it is rigged but I have seen shit there happen way beyond the norm.
> >I have seen at least 3 perfect perfect hits in one day which you would not see
> >in 6 months in the real world.
> >I also found if you play as long as you have some type of out you will be the
> >game like a flipping drum. Nothing like being the dog and knowing you will get
> >there. I play there for fun from time to time and if I have a draw no matter
> >how slim against a hand I know is big I am putting my chips in. All the big
> >pots I have won is when I have been out of line. All the big pots I have lost
> >are when I am playing correctly.
> >Example flop top set on a board of K 10 2 rainbow turn 5 suit the 10 river 4
> >sure enough the set of kings gets killed by the guy that called %40 with 3 6
> >offsuit. LOL
> >Or J 8 verus 8 6 with a flop of j 8 2 for course turn and river are 6s LOL
> >Pokerstars loves the underdog.
> >I cant tell you have many time I have seen JJ run over KK with a flop of K A 10.
> >
> It's interesting that on PokerinCanada.ca free game I suggested several times in the
> chat box that the game was seeing dream flops with people holding pre flop folding
> cards beating out big hands made before the turn.
> Before I posted those remarks I had several hundred thousand free dollars that just
> disappeared out of my account and now I can get off the 500$ free table.
>
> Here is the clincher. If we put together a full table of OLD timers the game seems to
> return to normal. It's only the high flying newbies who get the dream flops.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 10:05:35
From: Bill Richie
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On 18 Dec 2006 05:32:45 -0800, "Batman" <Batman@azteca.net > wrote:
>So, it is your contention that the site is set such that new players
>win at a higher rate than the old timers?
Not necessarily. I think initially yes but then it's based on your spending habits.
The idea is to addict you to the site so you keep coming back. If you are a poor
poker player better cards will do this.
Then their are the bogus players who are system ops who can see all the cards.
These aren't boy scouts running these UNREGULATED sites. If they can sit down and
steal thousand of dollars extra at any time they are going to do it.
All the sites are crooked. Some steal less and you might never be a victim. They need
winners to attract others to the site.
BUT if you are a lousy poker player expect to win dream big hands until you are
hooked. Then expect to lose at a rate that closely matches your ability to pay..:)
> I'm just asking what it is
>you're implying. Or maybe you're inferring it, I'm not sure :)
>
>Mike
>Writer, http://www.pokerallstar.com
>Owner, http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalPoker/
>Co-Owner, Pokerholics, the #1 Poker Group on Yahoo!!!
>Owner, http://VirtualPaintings.tk
>
>Bill Richie wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Dec 06 18:30:51 GMT, arlo payne <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Dec 17 2006 3:15 AM, rgposter@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
>> >> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
>> >> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
>> >> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
>> >> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
>> >> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
>> >> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
>> >> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
>> >> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
>> >> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
>> >> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
>> >> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>> >
>> >Not saying it is rigged but I have seen shit there happen way beyond the norm.
>> >I have seen at least 3 perfect perfect hits in one day which you would not see
>> >in 6 months in the real world.
>> >I also found if you play as long as you have some type of out you will be the
>> >game like a flipping drum. Nothing like being the dog and knowing you will get
>> >there. I play there for fun from time to time and if I have a draw no matter
>> >how slim against a hand I know is big I am putting my chips in. All the big
>> >pots I have won is when I have been out of line. All the big pots I have lost
>> >are when I am playing correctly.
>> >Example flop top set on a board of K 10 2 rainbow turn 5 suit the 10 river 4
>> >sure enough the set of kings gets killed by the guy that called %40 with 3 6
>> >offsuit. LOL
>> >Or J 8 verus 8 6 with a flop of j 8 2 for course turn and river are 6s LOL
>> >Pokerstars loves the underdog.
>> >I cant tell you have many time I have seen JJ run over KK with a flop of K A 10.
>> >
>> It's interesting that on PokerinCanada.ca free game I suggested several times in the
>> chat box that the game was seeing dream flops with people holding pre flop folding
>> cards beating out big hands made before the turn.
>> Before I posted those remarks I had several hundred thousand free dollars that just
>> disappeared out of my account and now I can get off the 500$ free table.
>>
>> Here is the clincher. If we put together a full table of OLD timers the game seems to
>> return to normal. It's only the high flying newbies who get the dream flops.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:27:09
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
I agree, here's my proof. Check out this suckout. This never happens in
poker.
PokerStars Game #7483287195: Tournament #38281748, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No
Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/17 - 13:23:43 (ET)
Table '38281748 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: mkljesus37 (1790 in chips)
Seat 2: oldgranny99 (2775 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: XaQ Morphy (3370 in chips)
Seat 5: A-Ten_suited (1065 in chips)
Seat 6: Wings360 (2295 in chips)
Seat 7: Drock328 (2205 in chips)
A-Ten_suited: posts small blind 25
Wings360: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to XaQ Morphy [Kc Kh]
Drock328: folds
mkljesus37: raises 100 to 150
oldgranny99: folds
XaQ Morphy: raises 3220 to 3370 and is all-in
A-Ten_suited: folds
Wings360: folds
mkljesus37: calls 1640 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qh 2s 8s]
*** TURN *** [Qh 2s 8s] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 2s 8s 5s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mkljesus37: shows [As Qd] (two pair, Queens and Fives)
XaQ Morphy: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
XaQ Morphy collected 3655 from pot
XaQ Morphy said, "oooh, so close"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3655
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 00:44:10
From: Palooka
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:t7oj54xqpa.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
>> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
>> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
>> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
>> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
>> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
>> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
>> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
>> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
>> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
>> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
>> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>
> I agree, here's my proof. Check out this suckout. This never happens in
> poker.
>
> PokerStars Game #7483287195: Tournament #38281748, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No
> Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/17 - 13:23:43 (ET)
> Table '38281748 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
> Seat 1: mkljesus37 (1790 in chips)
> Seat 2: oldgranny99 (2775 in chips) is sitting out
> Seat 4: XaQ Morphy (3370 in chips)
> Seat 5: A-Ten_suited (1065 in chips)
> Seat 6: Wings360 (2295 in chips)
> Seat 7: Drock328 (2205 in chips)
> A-Ten_suited: posts small blind 25
> Wings360: posts big blind 50
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to XaQ Morphy [Kc Kh]
> Drock328: folds
> mkljesus37: raises 100 to 150
> oldgranny99: folds
> XaQ Morphy: raises 3220 to 3370 and is all-in
> A-Ten_suited: folds
> Wings360: folds
> mkljesus37: calls 1640 and is all-in
> *** FLOP *** [Qh 2s 8s]
> *** TURN *** [Qh 2s 8s] [5s]
> *** RIVER *** [Qh 2s 8s 5s] [5c]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> mkljesus37: shows [As Qd] (two pair, Queens and Fives)
> XaQ Morphy: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
> XaQ Morphy collected 3655 from pot
> XaQ Morphy said, "oooh, so close"
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 3655
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 22:00:09
From: quiver
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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I have been noticing the same similarities at Bodog.
"Palooka" <nobody@nowhere.com > wrote in message
news:uBGhh.13753$Xo6.4071@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>
> "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:t7oj54xqpa.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>> I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
>>> but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
>>> and keep them there to generate more rake. It is well known that they
>>> are cheating. World Champion Tony Popejoy agrees. Razzo agrees.
>>> Minus 200 agrees. In fact every winning player agrees. It would be
>>> impossible for a player to be SO inobservant that they didn't notice
>>> that PokerStars is definitely cheating, and still be a winning player.
>>> Fact, they are cheating. The bad beats come at a frequency more than
>>> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating. They are
>>> definitely cheating. It has been proven statistically and the only
>>> people who claim they don't think it is cheating are shills working for
>>> the site. Just thought I would let you know.
>>
>> I agree, here's my proof. Check out this suckout. This never happens in
>> poker.
>>
>> PokerStars Game #7483287195: Tournament #38281748, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No
>> Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/17 - 13:23:43 (ET)
>> Table '38281748 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
>> Seat 1: mkljesus37 (1790 in chips)
>> Seat 2: oldgranny99 (2775 in chips) is sitting out
>> Seat 4: XaQ Morphy (3370 in chips)
>> Seat 5: A-Ten_suited (1065 in chips)
>> Seat 6: Wings360 (2295 in chips)
>> Seat 7: Drock328 (2205 in chips)
>> A-Ten_suited: posts small blind 25
>> Wings360: posts big blind 50
>> *** HOLE CARDS ***
>> Dealt to XaQ Morphy [Kc Kh]
>> Drock328: folds
>> mkljesus37: raises 100 to 150
>> oldgranny99: folds
>> XaQ Morphy: raises 3220 to 3370 and is all-in
>> A-Ten_suited: folds
>> Wings360: folds
>> mkljesus37: calls 1640 and is all-in
>> *** FLOP *** [Qh 2s 8s]
>> *** TURN *** [Qh 2s 8s] [5s]
>> *** RIVER *** [Qh 2s 8s 5s] [5c]
>> *** SHOW DOWN ***
>> mkljesus37: shows [As Qd] (two pair, Queens and Fives)
>> XaQ Morphy: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
>> XaQ Morphy collected 3655 from pot
>> XaQ Morphy said, "oooh, so close"
>> *** SUMMARY ***
>> Total pot 3655
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:28:53
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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rgposter@yahoo.com wrote:
> The bad beats come at a frequency more than
> twice what they would if the site weren't cheating.
And that non-cheating bad beat frequency would be...?
If you can establish:
1) The Non-cheating bad beatfrequency (NCBBF) = x
and
2) The PokerStars Cheating frequency (CBBF) >/= 2x
Then you'll have a convert.
Now get to the blackboard or blow it out your ass.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 00:11:12
From: Nick Wedd
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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In message <1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com >,
rgposter@yahoo.com writes
>I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
>but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
>and keep them there to generate more rake.
So what do I have to do to persuade PokerStars that I am a "worse
player"? Will it be enough to play as I usually do? Will it help if I
sometimes fold a bad hand when I could have checked?
Nick
--
Nick Wedd nick@maproom.co.uk
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Date: 20 Dec
From: Super Steamer
Subject: Re: Hello, anyone who doesn't know, PokerStars is rigged
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On Dec 19 2006 4:11 PM, Nick Wedd wrote:
> In message <1166350549.201462.53800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> rgposter@yahoo.com writes
> >I mean, feel free to play there because it IS possible to win there,
> >but just do know that they rig the hands to help the worse players out
> >and keep them there to generate more rake.
>
> So what do I have to do to persuade PokerStars that I am a "worse
> player"? Will it be enough to play as I usually do? Will it help if I
> sometimes fold a bad hand when I could have checked?
Try playing as badly as rgposter. Of course, realize that if you do that,
almost no amount of hand rigging will make you profitable.
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