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Date: 14 Dec 2006 17:24:17
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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I know I did not need to start a new topic for this, but first deposit
on Stars playing my first tourney 4.00 180 players.
Come by and say hello or take a look. John_Brian_K on PokerStars
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:29:25
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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The guy to my left who called my initial raise was going back and forth
with the chip leader I thought his all in was to push guy off his hand.
DAMN
I knew I should have folded.
PokerStars Game #7445583838: Tournament #38082290, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/14 - 21:23:39 (ET)
Table '38082290 6' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: whackerdsc (2570 in chips)
Seat 2: Crispy3113 (1465 in chips)
Seat 3: ylleknotrub (830 in chips)
Seat 4: OTT CANADA (4690 in chips)
Seat 5: dcookebmg (11190 in chips)
Seat 6: John_Brian_K (2175 in chips)
Seat 7: fiveboyz (4775 in chips)
Seat 8: aparlier2006 (2245 in chips)
Seat 9: Tpark1 (3355 in chips)
whackerdsc: posts small blind 75
Crispy3113: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to John_Brian_K [Jc Jd]
aparlier2006 said, "im the ******????"
ylleknotrub: folds
OTT CANADA: folds
dcookebmg: calls 150
John_Brian_K: raises 450 to 600
fiveboyz: folds
aparlier2006: calls 600
Tpark1: folds
whackerdsc: folds
Crispy3113: folds
dcookebmg: raises 10590 to 11190 and is all-in
John_Brian_K: calls 1575 and is all-in
aparlier2006: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 4h Ad]
*** TURN *** [8c 4h Ad] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [8c 4h Ad 2d] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dcookebmg: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
John_Brian_K: shows [Jc Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
dcookebmg collected 5175 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5175
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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Ya you definitely do not want a 3-way with JJ. Nice first money game though.
I'll rail ya next time so post again.
On Dec 14 2006 8:29 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> The guy to my left who called my initial raise was going back and forth
> with the chip leader I thought his all in was to push guy off his hand.
> DAMN
>
> I knew I should have folded.
>
>
> PokerStars Game #7445583838: Tournament #38082290, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em
> No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/14 - 21:23:39 (ET)
> Table '38082290 6' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
> Seat 1: whackerdsc (2570 in chips)
> Seat 2: Crispy3113 (1465 in chips)
> Seat 3: ylleknotrub (830 in chips)
> Seat 4: OTT CANADA (4690 in chips)
> Seat 5: dcookebmg (11190 in chips)
> Seat 6: John_Brian_K (2175 in chips)
> Seat 7: fiveboyz (4775 in chips)
> Seat 8: aparlier2006 (2245 in chips)
> Seat 9: Tpark1 (3355 in chips)
> whackerdsc: posts small blind 75
> Crispy3113: posts big blind 150
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to John_Brian_K [Jc Jd]
> aparlier2006 said, "im the ******????"
> ylleknotrub: folds
> OTT CANADA: folds
> dcookebmg: calls 150
> John_Brian_K: raises 450 to 600
> fiveboyz: folds
> aparlier2006: calls 600
> Tpark1: folds
> whackerdsc: folds
> Crispy3113: folds
> dcookebmg: raises 10590 to 11190 and is all-in
> John_Brian_K: calls 1575 and is all-in
> aparlier2006: folds
> *** FLOP *** [8c 4h Ad]
> *** TURN *** [8c 4h Ad] [2d]
> *** RIVER *** [8c 4h Ad 2d] [Js]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> dcookebmg: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
> John_Brian_K: shows [Jc Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
> dcookebmg collected 5175 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 5175
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 06:42:40
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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Porsche_Dan wrote:
> Ya you definitely do not want a 3-way with JJ. Nice first money game though.
> I'll rail ya next time so post again.
I am deffinetly not happy with that performance last night. I felt
good, was playing solid and was 50/50 on making that last call.
Thanks for the encouraging words though.
I am going to post some of my thinking on that last call as I have had
some time to think about it.
I start the hand with about 2200 with blinds just going up to 75-150.
JJ in early position raise to 600 leaves me with 1500 roughly 1 caller
couple folders then big stack in the tourny directly to my right raises
his big stack all in for like 11000. I used about half my time bank to
decide what to do. Here is my thinking:
Big stack got that way by playing loose-aggressive the time I was
sitting with him which was for about 15 or 20 minutes. 2 players to my
left is a guy with about 3200 chips to start this hand and him and the
big stack have been bickering back and forth -your such a donkey- no
you are this kinda thing for the whole time I am sitting down. a
couple of hands before guy to my left lost a big pot to chip leader to
my immediate right (that is how he became the chip leader) So when he
called my initial raise I figure it is because he is slightly on tilt.
Chip leader then goes all in. Now I know chip leader will push with
just about everything because I believe he is trying to get guy to my
left to either fold and lose 600 or call with a marginal hand and hope
to get lucky just to knock him out. Unfortunately I was in the middle.
I am pretty certain that if I call with JJ guy to my left will
fold-this was just my read of things.
And the history above will show I called he turned over AA and I lost.
I know shit happens I am not that dissapointed, but given the math of
the situation would you have leaned towards a call given what I have
written?
-1275 in the pot before chip leader goes all in
-roughly 1500 left
-I already have about 1/4 of my stack in the middle
-I am almost even money with JJ
-Looking back I really do think I should of folded and waited for a
better spot even if chip leader was bluffing.
-My honest read on his hands were either junk or A-K
What do you guys think?
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 09:21:10
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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> Brian,
>
> As others will doubtless mention, the early position limp followed by a
> large (in this case all in) reraise is a strong statement that "I have
> Aces". And they generally have, too. Not only that, but the guy on your left
> is still to act. With only JJ in the middle, this is an easy fold in my
> view.
>
> As to your final point (and this isn't one I've seen addressed on RGP), my
> feeling is that if for some unexpected reason one has have to "retire" in
> the middle of a tournament, it is slightly more courteous to post and fold,
> rather than donate all the chips to a single beneficiary. But this well be
> moot, and is not intended as a serious criticism, more as a point for
> discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Palooka
Agreed I should have folded and as to your last statement I can see
both views of that. If I call and happen to hit them I am sitting at
almost 5K with blinds only at 75-150. So at that point I could
probably sit out and hope to come back to it later and maybe do some
battling to come back.
Your point is well taken though.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:05:53
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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> Brian,
>
> As others will doubtless mention, the early position limp followed by a
> large (in this case all in) reraise is a strong statement that "I have
> Aces". And they generally have, too. Not only that, but the guy on your left
> is still to act. With only JJ in the middle, this is an easy fold in my
> view.
>
> As to your final point (and this isn't one I've seen addressed on RGP), my
> feeling is that if for some unexpected reason one has have to "retire" in
> the middle of a tournament, it is slightly more courteous to post and fold,
> rather than donate all the chips to a single beneficiary. But this well be
> moot, and is not intended as a serious criticism, more as a point for
> discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Palooka
Agreed I should have folded and as to your last statement I can see
both views of that. If I call and happen to hit them I am sitting at
almost 5K with blinds only at 75-150. So at that point I could
probably sit out and hope to come back to it later and maybe do some
battling to come back.
Your point is well taken though.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 07:27:21
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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Porsche_Dan wrote:
> One thing you may want to do in SNGs is isolate the weaker stacks and stay away
> from the big stacks. And if you are going to go up against a big stack maniac JJ
> is not the hand to do it.
>
> Given all you said, I still would not have made the call. Let the idiots do
> battle and pick on the other guys until you get heads-up. I'll take a maniac HU
> anytime.
Agreed I should of folded and waited for a better spot.
Now my REALLY weak reason to call-My girlf friend had just called and
was on her way over. I honestly was leaning towards folding, but with
about 70 people left the tourney would of went for at least another 2
hours and I know my girlfirend would of been irritated because she had
just got into a fight with her mom. VERY wek excuse, but sometimes the
little things like comforting your girlfriend get in the way of the
important things like poker-JK
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Date: 15 Dec 18:26:56
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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On Dec 15 2006 7:27 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > One thing you may want to do in SNGs is isolate the weaker stacks and stay
> > away
> > from the big stacks. And if you are going to go up against a big stack
> > maniac JJ
> > is not the hand to do it.
> >
> > Given all you said, I still would not have made the call. Let the idiots do
> > battle and pick on the other guys until you get heads-up. I'll take a maniac
> > HU
> > anytime.
>
> Agreed I should of folded and waited for a better spot.
>
> Now my REALLY weak reason to call-My girlf friend had just called and
> was on her way over. I honestly was leaning towards folding, but with
> about 70 people left the tourney would of went for at least another 2
> hours and I know my girlfirend would of been irritated because she had
> just got into a fight with her mom. VERY wek excuse, but sometimes the
> little things like comforting your girlfriend get in the way of the
> important things like poker-JK
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Okay, if sex is involved it's an insta-call with any pair or suited connectors.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 16:00:34
From: Palooka
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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"John_Brian_K" <John_Brian_Kent_1677@Yahoo.Com > wrote in message
news:1166196441.472908.120930@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> Porsche_Dan wrote:
>> One thing you may want to do in SNGs is isolate the weaker stacks and
>> stay away
>> from the big stacks. And if you are going to go up against a big stack
>> maniac JJ
>> is not the hand to do it.
>>
>> Given all you said, I still would not have made the call. Let the idiots
>> do
>> battle and pick on the other guys until you get heads-up. I'll take a
>> maniac HU
>> anytime.
>
> Agreed I should of folded and waited for a better spot.
>
> Now my REALLY weak reason to call-My girlf friend had just called and
> was on her way over. I honestly was leaning towards folding, but with
> about 70 people left the tourney would of went for at least another 2
> hours and I know my girlfirend would of been irritated because she had
> just got into a fight with her mom. VERY wek excuse, but sometimes the
> little things like comforting your girlfriend get in the way of the
> important things like poker-JK
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
>
Brian,
As others will doubtless mention, the early position limp followed by a
large (in this case all in) reraise is a strong statement that "I have
Aces". And they generally have, too. Not only that, but the guy on your left
is still to act. With only JJ in the middle, this is an easy fold in my
view.
As to your final point (and this isn't one I've seen addressed on RGP), my
feeling is that if for some unexpected reason one has have to "retire" in
the middle of a tournament, it is slightly more courteous to post and fold,
rather than donate all the chips to a single beneficiary. But this well be
moot, and is not intended as a serious criticism, more as a point for
discussion.
Regards,
Palooka
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Date: 15 Dec 15:13:44
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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One thing you may want to do in SNGs is isolate the weaker stacks and stay away
from the big stacks. And if you are going to go up against a big stack maniac JJ
is not the hand to do it.
Given all you said, I still would not have made the call. Let the idiots do
battle and pick on the other guys until you get heads-up. I'll take a maniac HU
anytime.
On Dec 15 2006 6:42 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Porsche_Dan wrote:
> > Ya you definitely do not want a 3-way with JJ. Nice first money game though.
> > I'll rail ya next time so post again.
>
> I am deffinetly not happy with that performance last night. I felt
> good, was playing solid and was 50/50 on making that last call.
>
> Thanks for the encouraging words though.
>
> I am going to post some of my thinking on that last call as I have had
> some time to think about it.
>
> I start the hand with about 2200 with blinds just going up to 75-150.
> JJ in early position raise to 600 leaves me with 1500 roughly 1 caller
> couple folders then big stack in the tourny directly to my right raises
> his big stack all in for like 11000. I used about half my time bank to
> decide what to do. Here is my thinking:
>
> Big stack got that way by playing loose-aggressive the time I was
> sitting with him which was for about 15 or 20 minutes. 2 players to my
> left is a guy with about 3200 chips to start this hand and him and the
> big stack have been bickering back and forth -your such a donkey- no
> you are this kinda thing for the whole time I am sitting down. a
> couple of hands before guy to my left lost a big pot to chip leader to
> my immediate right (that is how he became the chip leader) So when he
> called my initial raise I figure it is because he is slightly on tilt.
> Chip leader then goes all in. Now I know chip leader will push with
> just about everything because I believe he is trying to get guy to my
> left to either fold and lose 600 or call with a marginal hand and hope
> to get lucky just to knock him out. Unfortunately I was in the middle.
> I am pretty certain that if I call with JJ guy to my left will
> fold-this was just my read of things.
>
> And the history above will show I called he turned over AA and I lost.
> I know shit happens I am not that dissapointed, but given the math of
> the situation would you have leaned towards a call given what I have
> written?
>
> -1275 in the pot before chip leader goes all in
> -roughly 1500 left
> -I already have about 1/4 of my stack in the middle
> -I am almost even money with JJ
> -Looking back I really do think I should of folded and waited for a
> better spot even if chip leader was bluffing.
> -My honest read on his hands were either junk or A-K
>
> What do you guys think?
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:22:51
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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Chip leader sitting right on my right. damn
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:17:59
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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> Initial observations -- John_Brian_K is a ROCK.
During current Hold'em session you were dealt 61 hands and saw flop:
- 4 out of 8 times while in big blind (50%)
- 5 out of 8 times while in small blind (62%)
- 4 out of 45 times in other positions (8%)
- a total of 13 out of 61 (21%)
Pots won at showdown - 2 of 5 (40%)
Pots won without showdown - 4
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Date: 15 Dec
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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On Dec 14 2006 8:24 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> I know I did not need to start a new topic for this, but first deposit
> on Stars playing my first tourney 4.00 180 players.
>
> Come by and say hello or take a look. John_Brian_K on PokerStars
Initial observations -- John_Brian_K is a ROCK.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 17:37:30
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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Good Play?
PokerStars Game #7444834303: Tournament #38082290, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em
No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/12/14 - 20:33:54 (ET)
Table '38082290 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: mattihari (1940 in chips)
Seat 2: smwatkin (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: John_Brian_K (2890 in chips)
Seat 4: $$ EBY'S $$ (1295 in chips)
Seat 5: qbler (1300 in chips)
Seat 6: rlee_austin (740 in chips)
Seat 7: OnionMan100 (3210 in chips)
Seat 8: klmhq (1155 in chips)
Seat 9: frozenstiff (880 in chips)
frozenstiff: posts small blind 15
mattihari: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to John_Brian_K [Ks Kh]
smwatkin: folds
John_Brian_K: raises 60 to 90
$$ EBY'S $$: calls 90
qbler: calls 90
rlee_austin: folds
OnionMan100: calls 90
klmhq: folds
frozenstiff: folds
mattihari: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [7d Td 5s]
mattihari: bets 240
John_Brian_K: calls 240
$$ EBY'S $$: folds
qbler: folds
OnionMan100: calls 240
*** TURN *** [7d Td 5s] [Ad]
mattihari: checks
John_Brian_K: bets 250
OnionMan100: folds
mattihari: calls 250
*** RIVER *** [7d Td 5s Ad] [Ts]
mattihari: checks
John_Brian_K: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mattihari: shows [Tc Kd] (three of a kind, Tens)
John_Brian_K: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
mattihari collected 1685 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1685
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:02:04
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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Thanks for the input everyone. I will comment more later in the middle
of a hand.
Sorry I had the hide from search on.
John_Brian_K
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Date: 15 Dec
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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2X BBpre-flop raise in early position for KK is weak.
Raise or fold on the flop. Calling is for pussies.
250 bet into a 1k+ pot? What were you trying to do here? Did you want a call or
a fold?
Did a search but John_Brian_K not found........... Out in 169th?
On Dec 14 2006 7:37 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Good Play?
>
>
> PokerStars Game #7444834303: Tournament #38082290, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em
> No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/12/14 - 20:33:54 (ET)
> Table '38082290 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
> Seat 1: mattihari (1940 in chips)
> Seat 2: smwatkin (1320 in chips)
> Seat 3: John_Brian_K (2890 in chips)
> Seat 4: $$ EBY'S $$ (1295 in chips)
> Seat 5: qbler (1300 in chips)
> Seat 6: rlee_austin (740 in chips)
> Seat 7: OnionMan100 (3210 in chips)
> Seat 8: klmhq (1155 in chips)
> Seat 9: frozenstiff (880 in chips)
> frozenstiff: posts small blind 15
> mattihari: posts big blind 30
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to John_Brian_K [Ks Kh]
> smwatkin: folds
> John_Brian_K: raises 60 to 90
> $$ EBY'S $$: calls 90
> qbler: calls 90
> rlee_austin: folds
> OnionMan100: calls 90
> klmhq: folds
> frozenstiff: folds
> mattihari: calls 60
> *** FLOP *** [7d Td 5s]
> mattihari: bets 240
> John_Brian_K: calls 240
> $$ EBY'S $$: folds
> qbler: folds
> OnionMan100: calls 240
> *** TURN *** [7d Td 5s] [Ad]
> mattihari: checks
> John_Brian_K: bets 250
> OnionMan100: folds
> mattihari: calls 250
> *** RIVER *** [7d Td 5s Ad] [Ts]
> mattihari: checks
> John_Brian_K: checks
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> mattihari: shows [Tc Kd] (three of a kind, Tens)
> John_Brian_K: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
> mattihari collected 1685 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 1685
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Date: 15 Dec
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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On Dec 14 2006 8:54 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>
> 2X BBpre-flop raise in early position for KK is weak.
>
> Raise or fold on the flop. Calling is for pussies.
>
> 250 bet into a 1k+ pot? What were you trying to do here? Did you want a call
> or
> a fold?
>
> Did a search but John_Brian_K not found........... Out in 169th?
No way dude, I found him - 45 of 98 so far.
>
>
> On Dec 14 2006 7:37 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>
> > Good Play?
> >
> >
> > PokerStars Game #7444834303: Tournament #38082290, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em
> > No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/12/14 - 20:33:54 (ET)
> > Table '38082290 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
> > Seat 1: mattihari (1940 in chips)
> > Seat 2: smwatkin (1320 in chips)
> > Seat 3: John_Brian_K (2890 in chips)
> > Seat 4: $$ EBY'S $$ (1295 in chips)
> > Seat 5: qbler (1300 in chips)
> > Seat 6: rlee_austin (740 in chips)
> > Seat 7: OnionMan100 (3210 in chips)
> > Seat 8: klmhq (1155 in chips)
> > Seat 9: frozenstiff (880 in chips)
> > frozenstiff: posts small blind 15
> > mattihari: posts big blind 30
> > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > Dealt to John_Brian_K [Ks Kh]
> > smwatkin: folds
> > John_Brian_K: raises 60 to 90
> > $$ EBY'S $$: calls 90
> > qbler: calls 90
> > rlee_austin: folds
> > OnionMan100: calls 90
> > klmhq: folds
> > frozenstiff: folds
> > mattihari: calls 60
> > *** FLOP *** [7d Td 5s]
> > mattihari: bets 240
> > John_Brian_K: calls 240
> > $$ EBY'S $$: folds
> > qbler: folds
> > OnionMan100: calls 240
> > *** TURN *** [7d Td 5s] [Ad]
> > mattihari: checks
> > John_Brian_K: bets 250
> > OnionMan100: folds
> > mattihari: calls 250
> > *** RIVER *** [7d Td 5s Ad] [Ts]
> > mattihari: checks
> > John_Brian_K: checks
> > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > mattihari: shows [Tc Kd] (three of a kind, Tens)
> > John_Brian_K: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
> > mattihari collected 1685 from pot
> > *** SUMMARY ***
> > Total pot 1685
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Date: 15 Dec
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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On Dec 14 2006 8:37 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> Good Play?
>
>
> PokerStars Game #7444834303: Tournament #38082290, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em
> No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/12/14 - 20:33:54 (ET)
> Table '38082290 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
> Seat 1: mattihari (1940 in chips)
> Seat 2: smwatkin (1320 in chips)
> Seat 3: John_Brian_K (2890 in chips)
> Seat 4: $$ EBY'S $$ (1295 in chips)
> Seat 5: qbler (1300 in chips)
> Seat 6: rlee_austin (740 in chips)
> Seat 7: OnionMan100 (3210 in chips)
> Seat 8: klmhq (1155 in chips)
> Seat 9: frozenstiff (880 in chips)
> frozenstiff: posts small blind 15
> mattihari: posts big blind 30
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to John_Brian_K [Ks Kh]
> smwatkin: folds
> John_Brian_K: raises 60 to 90
Good.
> $$ EBY'S $$: calls 90
> qbler: calls 90
> rlee_austin: folds
> OnionMan100: calls 90
> klmhq: folds
> frozenstiff: folds
> mattihari: calls 60
> *** FLOP *** [7d Td 5s]
> mattihari: bets 240
> John_Brian_K: calls 240
I don't like this, I'd raise here. Two diamonds, lots of straight
possibilities, you don't want people calling behind, with their draws.
> $$ EBY'S $$: folds
> qbler: folds
> OnionMan100: calls 240
> *** TURN *** [7d Td 5s] [Ad]
> mattihari: checks
> John_Brian_K: bets 250
Here I think I'd check. The A could have beat you and the diamond could have
beat you. You want to keep this pot small.
> OnionMan100: folds
> mattihari: calls 250
> *** RIVER *** [7d Td 5s Ad] [Ts]
> mattihari: checks
> John_Brian_K: checks
Definitely.
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> mattihari: shows [Tc Kd] (three of a kind, Tens)
> John_Brian_K: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
> mattihari collected 1685 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 1685
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 20:51:21
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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On 14 Dec 2006 17:37:30 -0800, "John_Brian_K" <John_Brian_Kent_1677@Yahoo.Com >
wrote:
>*** HOLE CARDS ***
>Dealt to John_Brian_K [Ks Kh]
>smwatkin: folds
>John_Brian_K: raises 60 to 90
>$$ EBY'S $$: calls 90
>qbler: calls 90
>rlee_austin: folds
>OnionMan100: calls 90
>klmhq: folds
>frozenstiff: folds
>mattihari: calls 60
>*** FLOP *** [7d Td 5s]
Fine, but if you knew you'd get this many callers
you could have raised more.
>mattihari: bets 240
>John_Brian_K: calls 240
>$$ EBY'S $$: folds
>qbler: folds
>OnionMan100: calls 240
Terrible. You get anyone with any kind of draw coming along
with that call. You should raise, and maybe even just jam.
>*** TURN *** [7d Td 5s] [Ad]
>mattihari: checks
>John_Brian_K: bets 250
>OnionMan100: folds
>mattihari: calls 250
This is a terrible nothing bet that accomplishes very little.
It neither gets the guy with the worse hand to fold, nor gets
very much of his money.
>*** RIVER *** [7d Td 5s Ad] [Ts]
>mattihari: checks
>John_Brian_K: checks
At least your opponent saved you money. The final check is
your only good play here. When the top card on the board pairs
on the turn or river, anyone betting the flop is very likely to have
trips. Not that you'd automatically fold to a bet here, but it
would be a judgment call.
>*** SHOW DOWN ***
>mattihari: shows [Tc Kd] (three of a kind, Tens)
>John_Brian_K: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
>mattihari collected 1685 from pot
>*** SUMMARY ***
>Total pot 1685
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 10:15:47
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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On Dec 14, 5:37 pm, "John_Brian_K" <John_Brian_Kent_1...@Yahoo.Com >
wrote:
> Good Play?
>
> PokerStars Game #7444834303: Tournament #38082290, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em
> No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/12/14 - 20:33:54 (ET)
> Table '38082290 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
> Seat 1: mattihari (1940 in chips)
> Seat 2: smwatkin (1320 in chips)
> Seat 3: John_Brian_K (2890 in chips)
> Seat 4: $$ EBY'S $$ (1295 in chips)
> Seat 5: qbler (1300 in chips)
> Seat 6: rlee_austin (740 in chips)
> Seat 7: OnionMan100 (3210 in chips)
> Seat 8: klmhq (1155 in chips)
> Seat 9: frozenstiff (880 in chips)
> frozenstiff: posts small blind 15
> mattihari: posts big blind 30
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to John_Brian_K [Ks Kh]
> smwatkin: folds
> John_Brian_K: raises 60 to 90
> $$ EBY'S $$: calls 90
> qbler: calls 90
> rlee_austin: folds
> OnionMan100: calls 90
> klmhq: folds
> frozenstiff: folds
> mattihari: calls 60
I raise more during the early levels of the tournament. People call
with anything, so make them pay for it when you have a premium hand.
I'd go to 5xBB or so, you'd probably get 2 callers instead of 4.
> *** FLOP *** [7d Td 5s]
> mattihari: bets 240
> John_Brian_K: calls 240
> $$ EBY'S $$: folds
> qbler: folds
> OnionMan100: calls 240
Pot is 465 preflop, the bet is about 1/2 that. You're likely still
ahead on this flop, but there are a lot of draws out there. I'd pop it
to about 900 here, if someone comes over the top and you strongly feel
you're beat, you can lay it down. The pot's good enough to take down
here.
> *** TURN *** [7d Td 5s] [Ad]
> mattihari: checks
> John_Brian_K: bets 250
> OnionMan100: folds
> mattihari: calls 250
This is about the worst card you could see. I'd have to check here.
> *** RIVER *** [7d Td 5s Ad] [Ts]
> mattihari: checks
> John_Brian_K: checks
Good check here, nothing that you beat is calling a bet.
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> mattihari: shows [Tc Kd] (three of a kind, Tens)
> John_Brian_K: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
> mattihari collected 1685 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 1685
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 13:15:40
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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Yeah the raise with the Ace was a I have the flush value bet which 8-10
guy obviously didnt see. If he would of came over the top I would oif
dropped it quick. Oh well.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 13:42:46
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: First Time Real Money Tourney Starting Now
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> Yeah the raise with the Ace was a I have the flush value bet which 8-10
> guy obviously didnt see. If he would of came over the top I would oif
> dropped it quick. Oh well.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Ummm...I'm confused. You say you're value betting the flush, but then you
say the guy didn't see it. That doesn't make any sense. If you're value
betting a hand, you want him to call, because that's what a value bet is.
The problem with that turn bet is it doesn't make any sense. An A calls
or raises, a made flush is calling or raising, and a flush draw with the
Kd or Qd has the odds to call and see the river. Most other hands would
be folding there. So with the bet you're either giving chips to someone
who has you beat, or you're giving odds for someone to draw to beat you.
Morphy
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