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Date: 04 Dec 2006 15:05:53
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Subject: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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Do the big time professional tournament players play in the lower level
tournaments?
I've been looking at the circuit events of for the WSOP and see
events ranging from $500 to $5000. First pace at even the lowest level
is usually over $100,000 and I think that would be a significant amount
to any player.
By looking over the results of past events, I don't see as many
noticeable names at the smaller games as I do at the big games.
Could it be that the huge number of entrants (1,500+) increases the
luck-factor so much, that the professional don't make it to the final
table as often?
Or could it be that the professionals find that the short-rounds, fast
blind increases, and lower starting chips mean the game is more of a
crapshoot and they avoid them.
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Date: 05 Dec
From: Tanya AKA MissT74
Subject: Re: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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In terms of the WSOP, the big named players play as many of the events as
possible, regardless of buy in, for the POY points.
At least, that's what I've seen. The only time they don't play in an event is if
they're already in Day 2 or FT of a previous event, or there are 2 events in one
day, then they'll go for the more expensive one, usually....but yes, they will
play in as many as they can in order to get those points and for the simple fact
that the more events they play in, the more bracelets they have a chance at
winning. Doesn't matter what the event is or what the buy in is, a bracelet is a
bracelet.
T
On Dec 4 2006 4:05 PM, chambersdon@hotmail.com wrote:
> Do the big time professional tournament players play in the lower level
> tournaments?
>
> I've been looking at the circuit events of for the WSOP and see
> events ranging from $500 to $5000. First pace at even the lowest level
> is usually over $100,000 and I think that would be a significant amount
> to any player.
>
> By looking over the results of past events, I don't see as many
> noticeable names at the smaller games as I do at the big games.
> Could it be that the huge number of entrants (1,500+) increases the
> luck-factor so much, that the professional don't make it to the final
> table as often?
>
> Or could it be that the professionals find that the short-rounds, fast
> blind increases, and lower starting chips mean the game is more of a
> crapshoot and they avoid them.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 17:22:15
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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chambersdon@hotmail.com wrote:
> Do the big time professional tournament players play in the lower level
> tournaments?
>
> I've been looking at the circuit events of for the WSOP and see
> events ranging from $500 to $5000. First pace at even the lowest level
> is usually over $100,000 and I think that would be a significant amount
> to any player.
>
> By looking over the results of past events, I don't see as many
> noticeable names at the smaller games as I do at the big games.
> Could it be that the huge number of entrants (1,500+) increases the
> luck-factor so much, that the professional don't make it to the final
> table as often?
>
> Or could it be that the professionals find that the short-rounds, fast
> blind increases, and lower starting chips mean the game is more of a
> crapshoot and they avoid them.
The smaller events that are part of a series of events leading up to a
big buy-in seem to draw a variable number of recognizable names. I
won't say pros because anyone who makes a living at the game is a pro.
Many pros are not recognizable and a few of the recognizable players
may not make a living at poker.
I have played in events up to $1000 and $1500. When that event is the
only one or the culminating event of a series, you don't see any
big-name players, or at least I haven't. When there is a main event at
the end you sometimes see one or two, sometimes more.
I think that the WSoP itself gets more name players in preliminary
events than either the circuit events or the WPT. Maybe it's that Las
Vegas tourneys in general have that quality but the Seniors at the 2005
WSoP is the only one I have tried in Sin City. It also matters if there
is another event and/or the final table of another event going on at
the same time.
Will in New Haven
--
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you
give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in
judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends".Gandalf in <The
Lord of the Rings >
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 00:16:50
From: Auggie
Subject: Re: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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<chambersdon@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165273553.818278.233270@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Do the big time professional tournament players play in the lower level
> tournaments?
>
> I've been looking at the circuit events of for the WSOP and see
> events ranging from $500 to $5000. First pace at even the lowest level
> is usually over $100,000 and I think that would be a significant amount
> to any player.
>
> By looking over the results of past events, I don't see as many
> noticeable names at the smaller games as I do at the big games.
I guess that kind of answers your question right there.
There are probably a few reasons why:
1. The larger the field, the harder it is to work your way through. Alot of
things can happen on the way to the final table and the longer the journey
the more that can happen.
2. "Turbo" tournaments with short levels and fast blinds favor luck more
than skill.
3. The lower the buy in, the lower the quality of player you are up against.
Thats means more and more dumb luck and suckouts you have to dodge to make
it to the money.
4. Time vs return probably has a large part to do with it. Big name pros
would probably be able to make more money per hour and more likely to cash
in a smaller tournament with a big buy in than a big tournament that runs
for a couple of days with a lower buy in.
Thats what comes to my mind with the tournaments themselves, but there are
probably plenty of other reasons like having to travel and travel time and
costs... or if they get knocked out of a tournament what kind of stakes can
they find before they have to leave: if its a big event with a $10K buy in
then that brings in lots of other big stake players or if its Las Vegas they
can probably just go down the street and find a high stakes game to play in.
> Could it be that the huge number of entrants (1,500+) increases the
> luck-factor so much, that the professional don't make it to the final
> table as often?
>
> Or could it be that the professionals find that the short-rounds, fast
> blind increases, and lower starting chips mean the game is more of a
> crapshoot and they avoid them.
>
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 15:34:57
From: Olemite
Subject: Re: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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There were several pros that played in the $1,000 nl holdem at the wsop
last summer.
Ole
chambersdon@hotmail.com wrote:
> Do the big time professional tournament players play in the lower level
> tournaments?
>
> I've been looking at the circuit events of for the WSOP and see
> events ranging from $500 to $5000. First pace at even the lowest level
> is usually over $100,000 and I think that would be a significant amount
> to any player.
>
> By looking over the results of past events, I don't see as many
> noticeable names at the smaller games as I do at the big games.
> Could it be that the huge number of entrants (1,500+) increases the
> luck-factor so much, that the professional don't make it to the final
> table as often?
>
> Or could it be that the professionals find that the short-rounds, fast
> blind increases, and lower starting chips mean the game is more of a
> crapshoot and they avoid them.
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Date: 05 Dec 17:23:15
From: Teabagger
Subject: Re: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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You will see the pros playing $500 tourneys on FUll Tilt.
On Dec 4 2006 6:05 PM, chambersdon@hotmail.com wrote:
> Do the big time professional tournament players play in the lower level
> tournaments?
>
> I've been looking at the circuit events of for the WSOP and see
> events ranging from $500 to $5000. First pace at even the lowest level
> is usually over $100,000 and I think that would be a significant amount
> to any player.
>
> By looking over the results of past events, I don't see as many
> noticeable names at the smaller games as I do at the big games.
> Could it be that the huge number of entrants (1,500+) increases the
> luck-factor so much, that the professional don't make it to the final
> table as often?
>
> Or could it be that the professionals find that the short-rounds, fast
> blind increases, and lower starting chips mean the game is more of a
> crapshoot and they avoid them.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 13:06:43
From: Ben
Subject: Re: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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Teabagger wrote:
> You will see the pros playing $500 tourneys on FUll Tilt.
>
> On Dec 4 2006 6:05 PM, chambersdon@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Do the big time professional tournament players play in the lower level
> > tournaments?
> >
> > I've been looking at the circuit events of for the WSOP and see
> > events ranging from $500 to $5000. First pace at even the lowest level
> > is usually over $100,000 and I think that would be a significant amount
> > to any player.
> >
> > By looking over the results of past events, I don't see as many
> > noticeable names at the smaller games as I do at the big games.
> > Could it be that the huge number of entrants (1,500+) increases the
> > luck-factor so much, that the professional don't make it to the final
> > table as often?
> >
> > Or could it be that the professionals find that the short-rounds, fast
> > blind increases, and lower starting chips mean the game is more of a
> > crapshoot and they avoid them.
>
>
>
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The two tournament series (WSOPC and WPT) coming up in Jan in Tunica
should have some name players in all the events. Last year the opening
weekend of the $500 NLHE WSOPC had several name players and a record
(for circuit event) setting >1400 player field. Men the Master, Gank,
and Dutch Boyd were a few that I can remember seeing off the top of my
head.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 12:16:08
From: mr.cheese
Subject: Re: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote:
> In terms of the WSOP, the big named players play as many of the events as
> possible, regardless of buy in, for the POY points.
>
> At least, that's what I've seen. The only time they don't play in an event is if
> they're already in Day 2 or FT of a previous event, or there are 2 events in one
> day, then they'll go for the more expensive one, usually....but yes, they will
> play in as many as they can in order to get those points and for the simple fact
> that the more events they play in, the more bracelets they have a chance at
> winning. Doesn't matter what the event is or what the buy in is, a bracelet is a
> bracelet.
>
> T
>
>
> On Dec 4 2006 4:05 PM, chambersdon@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Do the big time professional tournament players play in the lower level
> > tournaments?
> >
> > I've been looking at the circuit events of for the WSOP and see
> > events ranging from $500 to $5000. First pace at even the lowest level
> > is usually over $100,000 and I think that would be a significant amount
> > to any player.
> >
> > By looking over the results of past events, I don't see as many
> > noticeable names at the smaller games as I do at the big games.
> > Could it be that the huge number of entrants (1,500+) increases the
> > luck-factor so much, that the professional don't make it to the final
> > table as often?
> >
> > Or could it be that the professionals find that the short-rounds, fast
> > blind increases, and lower starting chips mean the game is more of a
> > crapshoot and they avoid them.
>
You are correct but they also play for BRACELETS and cash. Hellmuth
won almost as much in the $1,000 event this year as he did in the main
event back in 89.
>
>
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 17:31:27
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Do professional tourny players play in the lower level tournaments?
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Theer always seem to be at least a few. For example, at January's Borgata Open,
there were several in the 880-player draw of the last $500 NLHE tournament. Paul
Darden busted out from my table -- couldn't have happened to a more surly guy.
-- Larry
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