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Date: 27 Nov 17:46:46
From: Chris Robinson
Subject: Did I get full value?
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Felt the slow play of the rockets was justified considering I'm in the blinds
but could I of extracted more out of this hand?
Game #4103469374: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2006/11/27 - 11:09:23 (ET)
Table "LondonOntario" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 1: hsieuqse ($60.75 in chips)
Seat 2: FatMack ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: Jianb0111 ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 4: toasumjas ($72.50 in chips)
Seat 5: bry89 ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 6: WoodHead sits out
Seat 7: vedattaja ($26 in chips)
Seat 8: milkhi1 ($7.62 in chips)
Seat 9: CRStals ($38 in chips)
Seat 10: Nussija2 ($59 in chips)
CRStals: posts small blind $0.50
Nussija2: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to CRStals [Ad Ac]
hsieuqse: folds
Jianb0111: calls $1
toasumjas: folds
bry89: folds
vedattaja: folds
milkhi1: folds
CRStals: calls $0.50
Nussija2: checks
----- FLOP ----- [As 5h Qd]
CRStals: checks
Nussija2: checks
Jianb0111: bets $1
CRStals: calls $1
Nussija2: folds
----- TURN ----- [As 5h Qd][8d]
CRStals: checks
Jianb0111: bets $2
CRStals: calls $2
----- RIVER ----- [As 5h Qd 8d][5c]
CRStals: checks
Jianb0111: bets $2
CRStals: raises $4
Jianb0111: raises $4
CRStals: raises $4
Jianb0111: raises $4
CRStals: raises $4
Jianb0111: calls $2
----- SHOW DOWN -----
CRStals: shows [Ad Ac] (A Full House, Aces full of Fives)
Jianb0111: mucks hand [8h 8c]
CRStals collects $31.50 from Main pot
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 10:09:28
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 27 2006 6:46 PM, Chris Robinson wrote:
> Felt the slow play of the rockets was justified considering I'm in the blinds
> but could I of extracted more out of this hand?
clearly you missed a few bets on the turn.
amazing he only goes 7 bets with that full house tho.... must be
weak-tight.
> Game #4103469374: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2006/11/27 - 11:09:23 (ET)
> Table "LondonOntario" Seat 8 is the button.
> Seat 1: hsieuqse ($60.75 in chips)
> Seat 2: FatMack ($50 in chips)
> Seat 3: Jianb0111 ($24.50 in chips)
> Seat 4: toasumjas ($72.50 in chips)
> Seat 5: bry89 ($25.25 in chips)
> Seat 6: WoodHead sits out
> Seat 7: vedattaja ($26 in chips)
> Seat 8: milkhi1 ($7.62 in chips)
> Seat 9: CRStals ($38 in chips)
> Seat 10: Nussija2 ($59 in chips)
> CRStals: posts small blind $0.50
> Nussija2: posts big blind $1
> ----- HOLE CARDS -----
> dealt to CRStals [Ad Ac]
> hsieuqse: folds
> Jianb0111: calls $1
> toasumjas: folds
> bry89: folds
> vedattaja: folds
> milkhi1: folds
> CRStals: calls $0.50
> Nussija2: checks
> ----- FLOP ----- [As 5h Qd]
> CRStals: checks
> Nussija2: checks
> Jianb0111: bets $1
> CRStals: calls $1
> Nussija2: folds
> ----- TURN ----- [As 5h Qd][8d]
> CRStals: checks
> Jianb0111: bets $2
> CRStals: calls $2
> ----- RIVER ----- [As 5h Qd 8d][5c]
> CRStals: checks
> Jianb0111: bets $2
> CRStals: raises $4
> Jianb0111: raises $4
> CRStals: raises $4
> Jianb0111: raises $4
> CRStals: raises $4
> Jianb0111: calls $2
> ----- SHOW DOWN -----
> CRStals: shows [Ad Ac] (A Full House, Aces full of Fives)
> Jianb0111: mucks hand [8h 8c]
> CRStals collects $31.50 from Main pot
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:55:08
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Mon, 27 Nov 06 17:46:46 GMT, Chris Robinson <43082565@recpoker.com >
wrote:
>
>Felt the slow play of the rockets was justified considering I'm in the blinds
>but could I of extracted more out of this hand?
>
>Game #4103469374: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2006/11/27 - 11:09:23 (ET)
>Table "LondonOntario" Seat 8 is the button.
>Seat 1: hsieuqse ($60.75 in chips)
>Seat 2: FatMack ($50 in chips)
>Seat 3: Jianb0111 ($24.50 in chips)
>Seat 4: toasumjas ($72.50 in chips)
>Seat 5: bry89 ($25.25 in chips)
>Seat 6: WoodHead sits out
>Seat 7: vedattaja ($26 in chips)
>Seat 8: milkhi1 ($7.62 in chips)
>Seat 9: CRStals ($38 in chips)
>Seat 10: Nussija2 ($59 in chips)
>CRStals: posts small blind $0.50
>Nussija2: posts big blind $1
>----- HOLE CARDS -----
>dealt to CRStals [Ad Ac]
>hsieuqse: folds
>Jianb0111: calls $1
>toasumjas: folds
>bry89: folds
>vedattaja: folds
>milkhi1: folds
>CRStals: calls $0.50
Never ever do this again.
>Nussija2: checks
>----- FLOP ----- [As 5h Qd]
>CRStals: checks
>Nussija2: checks
>Jianb0111: bets $1
>CRStals: calls $1
Never ever do this again.
>Nussija2: folds
>----- TURN ----- [As 5h Qd][8d]
>CRStals: checks
>Jianb0111: bets $2
>CRStals: calls $2
Never ever do this again.
>----- RIVER ----- [As 5h Qd 8d][5c]
>CRStals: checks
>Jianb0111: bets $2
>CRStals: raises $4
>Jianb0111: raises $4
>CRStals: raises $4
>Jianb0111: raises $4
>CRStals: raises $4
>Jianb0111: calls $2
>----- SHOW DOWN -----
>CRStals: shows [Ad Ac] (A Full House, Aces full of Fives)
>Jianb0111: mucks hand [8h 8c]
You were lucky he had a set of 8s. If he had had something lesser,
such as A4 say, you would have made one bet on the river.
This was as horribly played as you could make it in my view. Horrible
poker.
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 15:35:45
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 27 2006 11:55 PM, Dr Zen wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 06 17:46:46 GMT, Chris Robinson <43082565@recpoker.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Felt the slow play of the rockets was justified considering I'm in the
blinds
> >but could I of extracted more out of this hand?
> >
> >Game #4103469374: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2006/11/27 - 11:09:23 (ET)
> >Table "LondonOntario" Seat 8 is the button.
> >Seat 1: hsieuqse ($60.75 in chips)
> >Seat 2: FatMack ($50 in chips)
> >Seat 3: Jianb0111 ($24.50 in chips)
> >Seat 4: toasumjas ($72.50 in chips)
> >Seat 5: bry89 ($25.25 in chips)
> >Seat 6: WoodHead sits out
> >Seat 7: vedattaja ($26 in chips)
> >Seat 8: milkhi1 ($7.62 in chips)
> >Seat 9: CRStals ($38 in chips)
> >Seat 10: Nussija2 ($59 in chips)
> >CRStals: posts small blind $0.50
> >Nussija2: posts big blind $1
> >----- HOLE CARDS -----
> >dealt to CRStals [Ad Ac]
> >hsieuqse: folds
> >Jianb0111: calls $1
> >toasumjas: folds
> >bry89: folds
> >vedattaja: folds
> >milkhi1: folds
> >CRStals: calls $0.50
>
> Never ever do this again.
kinda disagree.
>
> >Nussija2: checks
> >----- FLOP ----- [As 5h Qd]
> >CRStals: checks
> >Nussija2: checks
> >Jianb0111: bets $1
> >CRStals: calls $1
>
> Never ever do this again.
definitely disagree.
>
> >Nussija2: folds
> >----- TURN ----- [As 5h Qd][8d]
> >CRStals: checks
> >Jianb0111: bets $2
> >CRStals: calls $2
>
> Never ever do this again.
kinda disagree.
>
> >----- RIVER ----- [As 5h Qd 8d][5c]
> >CRStals: checks
> >Jianb0111: bets $2
> >CRStals: raises $4
> >Jianb0111: raises $4
> >CRStals: raises $4
> >Jianb0111: raises $4
> >CRStals: raises $4
> >Jianb0111: calls $2
> >----- SHOW DOWN -----
> >CRStals: shows [Ad Ac] (A Full House, Aces full of Fives)
> >Jianb0111: mucks hand [8h 8c]
>
> You were lucky he had a set of 8s. If he had had something lesser,
> such as A4 say, you would have made one bet on the river.
>
> This was as horribly played as you could make it in my view. Horrible
> poker.
one limper, the raise in the sb gets exactly one person out, and probably
not even that.
on the flop there is exactly ONE draw out, an inside straight. it's not
really that much of a mistake to slowplay, especially considering you have
the nuts.
on the turn, if he was betting with 2 diamonds he now has a flush draw,
but that's sortof unlikely. you still have the nuts, obviously raise till
the cows come home would have been better in this situation, but in
general i'd like to bet out here, call the raise (if he has nothing at all
he will fold here when he would have checked turn/river, if he has as much
as a queen he'll call one bet here and one on the river when he would have
probably bet turn, checked river, in this case he's probably raising about
as much as he did on the river maybe more tho. you're kinda representing
quad 5s as you played it.)
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 10:29:57
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:35:45 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>On Nov 27 2006 11:55 PM, Dr Zen wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 06 17:46:46 GMT, Chris Robinson <43082565@recpoker.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Felt the slow play of the rockets was justified considering I'm in the
>blinds
>> >but could I of extracted more out of this hand?
>> >
>> >Game #4103469374: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2006/11/27 - 11:09:23 (ET)
>> >Table "LondonOntario" Seat 8 is the button.
>> >Seat 1: hsieuqse ($60.75 in chips)
>> >Seat 2: FatMack ($50 in chips)
>> >Seat 3: Jianb0111 ($24.50 in chips)
>> >Seat 4: toasumjas ($72.50 in chips)
>> >Seat 5: bry89 ($25.25 in chips)
>> >Seat 6: WoodHead sits out
>> >Seat 7: vedattaja ($26 in chips)
>> >Seat 8: milkhi1 ($7.62 in chips)
>> >Seat 9: CRStals ($38 in chips)
>> >Seat 10: Nussija2 ($59 in chips)
>> >CRStals: posts small blind $0.50
>> >Nussija2: posts big blind $1
>> >----- HOLE CARDS -----
>> >dealt to CRStals [Ad Ac]
>> >hsieuqse: folds
>> >Jianb0111: calls $1
>> >toasumjas: folds
>> >bry89: folds
>> >vedattaja: folds
>> >milkhi1: folds
>> >CRStals: calls $0.50
>>
>> Never ever do this again.
>
>kinda disagree.
>
I don't need to read any more of this post. I'm adding limit to the
list of games I know you do not have a clue how to play.
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 16:51:27
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 28 2006 1:29 AM, Dr Zen wrote:
> I don't need to read any more of this post. I'm adding limit to the
> list of games I know you do not have a clue how to play.
ah it's ok, i played LHE exclusively for a few months. 4 tables 5 hours a
day. made me good money, mostly by rakeback/bonuses.
i wouldn't say there's anything i would NEVER do in just about any poker
game. and being against TWO opponents when holding AA certainly isn't the
worst thing that can happen.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 11:34:15
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:51:27 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>On Nov 28 2006 1:29 AM, Dr Zen wrote:
>> I don't need to read any more of this post. I'm adding limit to the
>> list of games I know you do not have a clue how to play.
>
>ah it's ok, i played LHE exclusively for a few months. 4 tables 5 hours a
>day. made me good money, mostly by rakeback/bonuses.
Yes, that figures. There is no way you're a winning player at limit if
you make this play.
>i wouldn't say there's anything i would NEVER do in just about any poker
>game. and being against TWO opponents when holding AA certainly isn't the
>worst thing that can happen.
This is an autoraise. Never calling in this spot would be good. Put it
in your playbook. I just made you some money.
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 23:10:24
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 28 2006 2:34 AM, Dr Zen wrote:
> Yes, that figures. There is no way you're a winning player at limit if
> you make this play.
cuz i disagreed with you ?
> >i wouldn't say there's anything i would NEVER do in just about any poker
> >game. and being against TWO opponents when holding AA certainly isn't the
> >worst thing that can happen.
>
> This is an autoraise. Never calling in this spot would be good. Put it
> in your playbook. I just made you some money.
no you didn't.
i usually raised my aces in that spot (and any other). can't say i always
would tho.
imagine a player who never puts another bet into a pot postflop if someone
else raised the pot preflop, unless he makes the nuts. certainly not too
common, but it happens. would i raise there ? nope. any loose aggressive
player that bets every street till he gets raised.... i wouldn't raise him
preflop, i'd play it exactly like the OP, most cases he won't have
anything postflop, now if you raised preflop you won't get a single bet.
if you limped you'd likely get one on the flop and one on the turn.
but i know nothing, so ignore me (you still haven't answered my post in
the other thread.... the one you re-reintroduced the wsop thing in).
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:16:17
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:10:24 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>On Nov 28 2006 2:34 AM, Dr Zen wrote:
>> Yes, that figures. There is no way you're a winning player at limit if
>> you make this play.
>
>cuz i disagreed with you ?
>
No, because there is no way you are a winning player if you don't
raise here.
>> >i wouldn't say there's anything i would NEVER do in just about any poker
>> >game. and being against TWO opponents when holding AA certainly isn't the
>> >worst thing that can happen.
>>
>> This is an autoraise. Never calling in this spot would be good. Put it
>> in your playbook. I just made you some money.
>
>no you didn't.
No, but only because you're too dim to take the advice.
>i usually raised my aces in that spot (and any other). can't say i always
>would tho.
You should say you always would though.
>imagine a player who never puts another bet into a pot postflop if someone
>else raised the pot preflop, unless he makes the nuts. certainly not too
>common, but it happens.
Never seen it. But if I did, this would be the best possible reason
to autoraise. Come back when you've figured out why.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 04:40:18
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 28 2006 10:16 AM, Dr Zen wrote:
> >imagine a player who never puts another bet into a pot postflop if someone
> >else raised the pot preflop, unless he makes the nuts. certainly not too
> >common, but it happens.
>
> Never seen it. But if I did, this would be the best possible reason
> to autoraise. Come back when you've figured out why.
with a hand that wins a showdown 80% of the time heads up ? i likely never
will figure out why i would raise and cost myself about 3 bets.
but since you're a moron and the only part of any post you ever cut out is
the part you disagree/can't follow/can't give an answer to, i likely won't
engage in any long discussions with you again. so you win.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 08:51:59
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:40:18 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>On Nov 28 2006 10:16 AM, Dr Zen wrote:
>> >imagine a player who never puts another bet into a pot postflop if someone
>> >else raised the pot preflop, unless he makes the nuts. certainly not too
>> >common, but it happens.
>>
>> Never seen it. But if I did, this would be the best possible reason
>> to autoraise. Come back when you've figured out why.
>
>with a hand that wins a showdown 80% of the time heads up ? i likely never
>will figure out why i would raise and cost myself about 3 bets.
You're not costing yourself anything. If he's not putting money into a
raised pot, he's not putting it into an unraised one just because you
fucking slowplay it.
>but since you're a moron and the only part of any post you ever cut out is
>the part you disagree/can't follow/can't give an answer to, i likely won't
>engage in any long discussions with you again. so you win.
>
I cut out whatever I don't bother with, Alex.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 11:04:08
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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> ah it's ok, i played LHE exclusively for a few months. 4 tables 5 hours a
> day. made me good money, mostly by rakeback/bonuses.
Clearing bonuses and getting your rake money back does not a good LHE
player make.
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Foe and friend
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:22:14
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 28 2006 8:04 PM, MysteriAce wrote:
> > ah it's ok, i played LHE exclusively for a few months. 4 tables 5 hours a
> > day. made me good money, mostly by rakeback/bonuses.
>
> Clearing bonuses and getting your rake money back does not a good LHE
> player make.
i agree.
after a reasonable upswing in the end i was up to 2.2bb/100 at .25-.50
tho, over 35k hands.
not enough of a sample to have too much significance, but it's about 90%
confidence that i'm a winning player, if i did the math right and remember
correctly.
>
> ~ MysteriAce
>
> "Ashes and diamonds
> Foe and friend
> We were all equal in the end"
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 13:37:55
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:22:14 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>On Nov 28 2006 8:04 PM, MysteriAce wrote:
>> > ah it's ok, i played LHE exclusively for a few months. 4 tables 5 hours a
>> > day. made me good money, mostly by rakeback/bonuses.
>>
>> Clearing bonuses and getting your rake money back does not a good LHE
>> player make.
>
>i agree.
>after a reasonable upswing in the end i was up to 2.2bb/100 at .25-.50
>tho, over 35k hands.
>not enough of a sample to have too much significance, but it's about 90%
>confidence that i'm a winning player, if i did the math right and remember
>correctly.
>
And add a few and take a few away.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:23:28
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 29 2006 4:22 AM, xyious wrote:
> On Nov 28 2006 8:04 PM, MysteriAce wrote:
> > > ah it's ok, i played LHE exclusively for a few months. 4 tables 5 hours a
> > > day. made me good money, mostly by rakeback/bonuses.
> >
> > Clearing bonuses and getting your rake money back does not a good LHE
> > player make.
>
> i agree.
> after a reasonable upswing in the end i was up to 2.2bb/100 at .25-.50
> tho, over 35k hands.
> not enough of a sample to have too much significance, but it's about 90%
> confidence that i'm a winning player, if i did the math right and remember
> correctly.
and i still made more money thru bonuses/rakeback i think.
>
> >
> > ~ MysteriAce
> >
> > "Ashes and diamonds
> > Foe and friend
> > We were all equal in the end"
>
>
> -Alexander Knopf
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Date: 27 Nov 20:02:49
From: nkks0808
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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in limit play u never get full value unless u are raising the whole way
he bet into you on the flop and turn
u bet flop, he raises u, u call
turn u check to him, he bets, u raise him, and get reraised cause he has 888 now
and clearly isn't bright because he bet the flop with AQ on board with 88.
so u get an extra flop bet, probably two extra on the turn
and the same bets on riv
i'm not slow playing anything in limit play, especially at low limit, because
people play everything.
i flopped quads playing 5/10 once, but a flush draw also on flop so i bet out.
got raises once on flop, capped on turn when he hit his flush.
slow playing misses bets
On Nov 27 2006 11:46 AM, Chris Robinson wrote:
>
> Felt the slow play of the rockets was justified considering I'm in the blinds
> but could I of extracted more out of this hand?
>
> Game #4103469374: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2006/11/27 - 11:09:23 (ET)
> Table "LondonOntario" Seat 8 is the button.
> Seat 1: hsieuqse ($60.75 in chips)
> Seat 2: FatMack ($50 in chips)
> Seat 3: Jianb0111 ($24.50 in chips)
> Seat 4: toasumjas ($72.50 in chips)
> Seat 5: bry89 ($25.25 in chips)
> Seat 6: WoodHead sits out
> Seat 7: vedattaja ($26 in chips)
> Seat 8: milkhi1 ($7.62 in chips)
> Seat 9: CRStals ($38 in chips)
> Seat 10: Nussija2 ($59 in chips)
> CRStals: posts small blind $0.50
> Nussija2: posts big blind $1
> ----- HOLE CARDS -----
> dealt to CRStals [Ad Ac]
> hsieuqse: folds
> Jianb0111: calls $1
> toasumjas: folds
> bry89: folds
> vedattaja: folds
> milkhi1: folds
> CRStals: calls $0.50
> Nussija2: checks
> ----- FLOP ----- [As 5h Qd]
> CRStals: checks
> Nussija2: checks
> Jianb0111: bets $1
> CRStals: calls $1
> Nussija2: folds
> ----- TURN ----- [As 5h Qd][8d]
> CRStals: checks
> Jianb0111: bets $2
> CRStals: calls $2
> ----- RIVER ----- [As 5h Qd 8d][5c]
> CRStals: checks
> Jianb0111: bets $2
> CRStals: raises $4
> Jianb0111: raises $4
> CRStals: raises $4
> Jianb0111: raises $4
> CRStals: raises $4
> Jianb0111: calls $2
> ----- SHOW DOWN -----
> CRStals: shows [Ad Ac] (A Full House, Aces full of Fives)
> Jianb0111: mucks hand [8h 8c]
> CRStals collects $31.50 from Main pot
Nicole
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 12:51:20
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 27 2006 9:02 PM, nkks0808 wrote:
> in limit play u never get full value unless u are raising the whole way
>
> he bet into you on the flop and turn
>
> u bet flop, he raises u, u call
he raises 88 on a flop of AQx ??? i highly doubt that. he may, if he's
really loose, call the flop.
>
> turn u check to him, he bets, u raise him, and get reraised cause he has 888
now
> and clearly isn't bright because he bet the flop with AQ on board with 88.
>
> so u get an extra flop bet, probably two extra on the turn
> and the same bets on riv
>
> i'm not slow playing anything in limit play, especially at low limit, because
> people play everything.
>
> i flopped quads playing 5/10 once, but a flush draw also on flop so i bet
out.
> got raises once on flop, capped on turn when he hit his flush.
>
> slow playing misses bets
>
> On Nov 27 2006 11:46 AM, Chris Robinson wrote:
>
> >
> > Felt the slow play of the rockets was justified considering I'm in the
blinds
> > but could I of extracted more out of this hand?
> >
> > Game #4103469374: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2006/11/27 - 11:09:23 (ET)
> > Table "LondonOntario" Seat 8 is the button.
> > Seat 1: hsieuqse ($60.75 in chips)
> > Seat 2: FatMack ($50 in chips)
> > Seat 3: Jianb0111 ($24.50 in chips)
> > Seat 4: toasumjas ($72.50 in chips)
> > Seat 5: bry89 ($25.25 in chips)
> > Seat 6: WoodHead sits out
> > Seat 7: vedattaja ($26 in chips)
> > Seat 8: milkhi1 ($7.62 in chips)
> > Seat 9: CRStals ($38 in chips)
> > Seat 10: Nussija2 ($59 in chips)
> > CRStals: posts small blind $0.50
> > Nussija2: posts big blind $1
> > ----- HOLE CARDS -----
> > dealt to CRStals [Ad Ac]
> > hsieuqse: folds
> > Jianb0111: calls $1
> > toasumjas: folds
> > bry89: folds
> > vedattaja: folds
> > milkhi1: folds
> > CRStals: calls $0.50
> > Nussija2: checks
> > ----- FLOP ----- [As 5h Qd]
> > CRStals: checks
> > Nussija2: checks
> > Jianb0111: bets $1
> > CRStals: calls $1
> > Nussija2: folds
> > ----- TURN ----- [As 5h Qd][8d]
> > CRStals: checks
> > Jianb0111: bets $2
> > CRStals: calls $2
> > ----- RIVER ----- [As 5h Qd 8d][5c]
> > CRStals: checks
> > Jianb0111: bets $2
> > CRStals: raises $4
> > Jianb0111: raises $4
> > CRStals: raises $4
> > Jianb0111: raises $4
> > CRStals: raises $4
> > Jianb0111: calls $2
> > ----- SHOW DOWN -----
> > CRStals: shows [Ad Ac] (A Full House, Aces full of Fives)
> > Jianb0111: mucks hand [8h 8c]
> > CRStals collects $31.50 from Main pot
> Nicole
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:58:18
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:20 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>On Nov 27 2006 9:02 PM, nkks0808 wrote:
>> in limit play u never get full value unless u are raising the whole way
>>
>> he bet into you on the flop and turn
>>
>> u bet flop, he raises u, u call
>
>he raises 88 on a flop of AQx ??? i highly doubt that. he may, if he's
>really loose, call the flop.
We don't know he has 88.
He was lucky the other guy had something. It could have been checked
through and we'd get to turn having made precisely nothing out of a
monster hand but having allowed the table to draw out on us.
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Dr Zen
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 15:28:22
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 27 2006 11:58 PM, Dr Zen wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:20 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 27 2006 9:02 PM, nkks0808 wrote:
> >> in limit play u never get full value unless u are raising the whole way
> >>
> >> he bet into you on the flop and turn
> >>
> >> u bet flop, he raises u, u call
> >
> >he raises 88 on a flop of AQx ??? i highly doubt that. he may, if he's
> >really loose, call the flop.
>
> We don't know he has 88.
i read the OP, i know he has 88.
> He was lucky the other guy had something. It could have been checked
> through and we'd get to turn having made precisely nothing out of a
> monster hand but having allowed the table to draw out on us.
he probably woulda bet with king high on the flop after everyone checked.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 10:28:33
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:28:22 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>On Nov 27 2006 11:58 PM, Dr Zen wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:20 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 27 2006 9:02 PM, nkks0808 wrote:
>> >> in limit play u never get full value unless u are raising the whole way
>> >>
>> >> he bet into you on the flop and turn
>> >>
>> >> u bet flop, he raises u, u call
>> >
>> >he raises 88 on a flop of AQx ??? i highly doubt that. he may, if he's
>> >really loose, call the flop.
>>
>> We don't know he has 88.
>
>i read the OP, i know he has 88.
>
We know after the hand he had it. Dude, poker would certainly be a lot
easier if we knew their hands *before* we played.
>> He was lucky the other guy had something. It could have been checked
>> through and we'd get to turn having made precisely nothing out of a
>> monster hand but having allowed the table to draw out on us.
>
>he probably woulda bet with king high on the flop after everyone checked.
Don't talk shit. This is not a good flop for bluffing and most players
know that.
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 16:49:43
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Nov 28 2006 1:28 AM, Dr Zen wrote:
> >> He was lucky the other guy had something. It could have been checked
> >> through and we'd get to turn having made precisely nothing out of a
> >> monster hand but having allowed the table to draw out on us.
> >
> >he probably woulda bet with king high on the flop after everyone checked.
>
> Don't talk shit. This is not a good flop for bluffing and most players
> know that.
it's a really good flop for bluffing, and most players know that. noone
raised, thus it's unlikely that anyone has AK, AQ, even AJ. sb limper
could have suited connectors, small pair, any 2 high cards.... i'd bet
that flop.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 11:32:23
From: Dr Zen
Subject: Re: Did I get full value?
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:49:43 -0800, "xyious" <a52dfe8@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
>On Nov 28 2006 1:28 AM, Dr Zen wrote:
>> >> He was lucky the other guy had something. It could have been checked
>> >> through and we'd get to turn having made precisely nothing out of a
>> >> monster hand but having allowed the table to draw out on us.
>> >
>> >he probably woulda bet with king high on the flop after everyone checked.
>>
>> Don't talk shit. This is not a good flop for bluffing and most players
>> know that.
>
>it's a really good flop for bluffing
We've already established you know fuck all about limit holdem.
> and most players know that.
Are you fucking dim?
> noone
>raised, thus it's unlikely that anyone has AK, AQ, even AJ.
But very likely someone has Ax, Qx, KJ, KT, a pocket pair, a backdoor
draw of some kind.
> sb limper
>could have suited connectors, small pair, any 2 high cards.... i'd bet
>that flop.
And you'd be called.
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