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Date: 17 Dec 2006 04:49:36
From: alan
Subject: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
chips into play.
The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
"are you paying with your own money?"
She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
hand.
So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
blah, blah, blah."
We dropped it there.
But what should have happened, if anything different?
First time I've ever seen anything like this.
Thanks.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 08:49:48
From: bjgkaraoke@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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Gary Carson wrote:
> What should happen is the next time you play in a room that has the dealer carry
> around her own tray you should look how close the pot is to the tray and carry
> out a thought experiment about how easy it is for chips to slip from the pot to
> the tray.
>
> Then think again about whose money that is.
>
> Then find a cardroom that doesn't have procedures that encourage dealers to
> steal from the pot.
Then nobody should play in So. California, if that's the case.
Besides, I don't think you're right about this. Too many people at the
table are watching every move a dealer makes for them to be able to
steal chips. Many, including myself, count the chips when they win a
pot. Also, every table has a camera over it. The house has experts
monitoring every table and can quickly spot any dealer stealing.
Usually, a thief will be quickly detected and fired; some have even
gone to jail.
Barbara Gallamore
> On Dec 17 2006 6:49 AM, alan wrote:
>
> > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> >
> > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> >
> > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
> >
> > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> > chips into play.
> >
> > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> >
> > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > "are you paying with your own money?"
> >
> > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > hand.
> >
> > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> >
> > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> >
> > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> >
> > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > blah, blah, blah."
> >
> > We dropped it there.
> >
> > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> >
> > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> >
> > Thanks.
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com
>
>
>
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Date: 17 Dec 18:23:01
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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Hell in the old Vegas games the dealer never asked for a fill. They would ask
for an empty LOL
In the 60s (ask Russ if you like) It was nothing for a good dealer to make $500
a night in the snatch games.
Also the Plaza (as I recall) had a one armed guy running the place (as I recall
his name was Louie) Anyway he had the dealers take it almost all.
two stories:
A guy sits in the snatch game buys in for $20 plays on hand wins the pot decides
to leave, asked the dealer if he could buy his $20 bill back, only problem he
did not have $20 in chips LOL.
Another player bitched about it Louie(? on name) was called over Louie asked the
guy to stand up when he did Louie said "whats the problem you are not glued to
the seat if you dont like it leave"
On Dec 17 2006 9:49 AM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
> Gary Carson wrote:
> > What should happen is the next time you play in a room that has the dealer
> > carry
> > around her own tray you should look how close the pot is to the tray and
> > carry
> > out a thought experiment about how easy it is for chips to slip from the pot
> > to
> > the tray.
> >
> > Then think again about whose money that is.
> >
> > Then find a cardroom that doesn't have procedures that encourage dealers to
> > steal from the pot.
>
>
> Then nobody should play in So. California, if that's the case.
> Besides, I don't think you're right about this. Too many people at the
> table are watching every move a dealer makes for them to be able to
> steal chips. Many, including myself, count the chips when they win a
> pot. Also, every table has a camera over it. The house has experts
> monitoring every table and can quickly spot any dealer stealing.
> Usually, a thief will be quickly detected and fired; some have even
> gone to jail.
>
> Barbara Gallamore
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 17 2006 6:49 AM, alan wrote:
> >
> > > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> > >
> > > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> > > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> > >
> > > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
> > >
> > > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> > > chips into play.
> > >
> > > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> > >
> > > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > > "are you paying with your own money?"
> > >
> > > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > > hand.
> > >
> > > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> > >
> > > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> > >
> > > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> > >
> > > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > > blah, blah, blah."
> > >
> > > We dropped it there.
> > >
> > > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> > >
> > > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > Gary Carson
> > http://www.garycarson.com/
> >
> >
> >
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 08:41:40
From: bjgkaraoke@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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alan wrote:
> At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
>
> There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
>
> It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
>
> Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> chips into play.
>
> The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
>
> I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> "are you paying with your own money?"
>
> She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> hand.
>
> So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
>
> the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
>
> Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
>
> That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> blah, blah, blah."
>
> We dropped it there.
>
> But what should have happened, if anything different?
>
> First time I've ever seen anything like this.
>
> Thanks.
The correct procedure is for a floorman to be called immediately. He
will mark the table, have the tape rerun, and make the player who
shorted the pot pay it, assuming he refuses to do so at first. This is
what is supposed to happen when there is a problem with money or chips.
I've seen it happen at Hollywood Park in the past.
Barbara Gallamore
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Date: 17 Dec 18:17:18
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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On Dec 17 2006 9:41 AM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
> alan wrote:
> > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> >
> > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> >
> > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
> >
> > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> > chips into play.
> >
> > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> >
> > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > "are you paying with your own money?"
> >
> > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > hand.
> >
> > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> >
> > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> >
> > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> >
> > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > blah, blah, blah."
> >
> > We dropped it there.
> >
> > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> >
> > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
>
> The correct procedure is for a floorman to be called immediately. He
> will mark the table, have the tape rerun, and make the player who
> shorted the pot pay it, assuming he refuses to do so at first. This is
> what is supposed to happen when there is a problem with money or chips.
> I've seen it happen at Hollywood Park in the past.
>
> Barbara Gallamore
I will agree in some cases BUT if the dealer screws up where I come from (old
days) the dealer paid or was gone.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 11:41:43
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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<bjgkaraoke@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1166373700.322389.74670@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> alan wrote:
>> At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
>>
>> There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
>> winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
>>
>> It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
>> though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
>>
>> Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
>> chips into play.
>>
>> The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
>> payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
>>
>> I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
>> "are you paying with your own money?"
>>
>> She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
>> hand.
>>
>> So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
>> dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
>>
>> the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
>>
>> Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
>>
>> That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
>> blah, blah, blah."
>>
>> We dropped it there.
>>
>> But what should have happened, if anything different?
>>
>> First time I've ever seen anything like this.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>
> The correct procedure is for a floorman to be called immediately. He
> will mark the table, have the tape rerun, and make the player who
> shorted the pot pay it, assuming he refuses to do so at first. This is
> what is supposed to happen when there is a problem with money or chips.
> I've seen it happen at Hollywood Park in the past.
>
> Barbara Gallamore
That's what I was thinking. Why didn't one of the other players in the hand
call the floor? Sounds like the dealer just wanted to keep the game going
and avoid the floor decision for some reason. Maybe this dealer had made
mistakes before and didn't want the attention.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 01:24:28
From: ben carr
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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If I were the winner of the pot I dont think I could accept the money
from the dealer. I would feel bad about it.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 14:29:08
From: alan
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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thanks everyone for the comments.
I felt sorry for the dealer. here, the dealer had to pay out of her
own pocket-- while some greedy jerk who is gambling with hundreds of
dollars and knows he cheated the game smugly refuses to make good.
secondly, I feel the player is a cheat, knows he cheated, and I don't
want to be at a table with a cheater.
the player did go bust soon after-- and I guess the karma did come back
to bite him in the ass.
I don't think anyone thought of calling a floorman, in part because a
couple of the players were belligerent and wanted to get on with the
game-- including the player in question.
I know this-- I will not play at this guy's table again.
arlo payne wrote:
> On Dec 17 2006 9:41 AM, bjgkaraoke@aol.com wrote:
>
> > alan wrote:
> > > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> > >
> > > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> > > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> > >
> > > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
> > >
> > > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> > > chips into play.
> > >
> > > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> > >
> > > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > > "are you paying with your own money?"
> > >
> > > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > > hand.
> > >
> > > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> > >
> > > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> > >
> > > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> > >
> > > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > > blah, blah, blah."
> > >
> > > We dropped it there.
> > >
> > > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> > >
> > > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > The correct procedure is for a floorman to be called immediately. He
> > will mark the table, have the tape rerun, and make the player who
> > shorted the pot pay it, assuming he refuses to do so at first. This is
> > what is supposed to happen when there is a problem with money or chips.
> > I've seen it happen at Hollywood Park in the past.
> >
> > Barbara Gallamore
>
> I will agree in some cases BUT if the dealer screws up where I come from (old
> days) the dealer paid or was gone.
>
>
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Date: 17 Dec 14:51:52
From: Gary Carson
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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What should happen is the next time you play in a room that has the dealer carry
around her own tray you should look how close the pot is to the tray and carry
out a thought experiment about how easy it is for chips to slip from the pot to
the tray.
Then think again about whose money that is.
Then find a cardroom that doesn't have procedures that encourage dealers to
steal from the pot.
On Dec 17 2006 6:49 AM, alan wrote:
> At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
>
> There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
>
> It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
>
> Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> chips into play.
>
> The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
>
> I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> "are you paying with your own money?"
>
> She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> hand.
>
> So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
>
> the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
>
> Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
>
> That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> blah, blah, blah."
>
> We dropped it there.
>
> But what should have happened, if anything different?
>
> First time I've ever seen anything like this.
>
> Thanks.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Date: 17 Dec 13:48:42
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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On Dec 17 2006 5:49 AM, alan wrote:
> At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
>
> There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
>
> It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
>
> Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> chips into play.
>
> The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
>
> I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> "are you paying with your own money?"
>
> She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> hand.
>
> So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
>
> the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
>
> Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
>
> That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> blah, blah, blah."
>
> We dropped it there.
>
> But what should have happened, if anything different?
>
> First time I've ever seen anything like this.
>
> Thanks.
Pretty simple:
Dealer screws up dealer pays.
years ago I saw a dealer pay out over 1k. His choice pay or end of job.
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Date: 17 Dec 17:51:57
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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On Dec 17 2006 7:48 AM, arlo payne wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 5:49 AM, alan wrote:
>
> > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> >
> > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> >
> > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
> >
> > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> > chips into play.
> >
> > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> >
> > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > "are you paying with your own money?"
> >
> > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > hand.
> >
> > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> >
> > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> >
> > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> >
> > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > blah, blah, blah."
> >
> > We dropped it there.
> >
> > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> >
> > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Pretty simple:
> Dealer screws up dealer pays.
> years ago I saw a dealer pay out over 1k. His choice pay or end of job.
>
>
That would interesting too see what would happen in the big game when dealer
pushs the pot to the wrong player..........one of those 6 figure pots. What
would they do, let the dealer make payments for life? lol
On a side note, the Horsehoe in Tunica never had film in the cameras whenever a
question like this arose, at least when Binion owned the joint.
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Date: 17 Dec 18:14:59
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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On Dec 17 2006 10:51 AM, jd00123 wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 7:48 AM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17 2006 5:49 AM, alan wrote:
> >
> > > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> > >
> > > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> > > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> > >
> > > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
> > >
> > > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> > > chips into play.
> > >
> > > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> > >
> > > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > > "are you paying with your own money?"
> > >
> > > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > > hand.
> > >
> > > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> > >
> > > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> > >
> > > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> > >
> > > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > > blah, blah, blah."
> > >
> > > We dropped it there.
> > >
> > > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> > >
> > > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Pretty simple:
> > Dealer screws up dealer pays.
> > years ago I saw a dealer pay out over 1k. His choice pay or end of job.
> >
> >
>
> That would interesting too see what would happen in the big game when dealer
> pushs the pot to the wrong player..........one of those 6 figure pots. What
> would they do, let the dealer make payments for life? lol
>
> On a side note, the Horsehoe in Tunica never had film in the cameras whenever
> a
> question like this arose, at least when Binion owned the joint.
Reminds me of something that happened some years ago in a cardroom. In the big
game there (10-25) pot limit there was a question so off to the camera we go.
It had video tape in it but the lense was so covered in smoke you could not see
anything LOL
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Date: 17 Dec 20:45:50
From: Kincaid
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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a) I don't think you'd be dealing in that game if you were capable of making
this mistake.
b) I don't think that Barry would stack the chips when the pot belongs to
Doyle. I'm sure the big game players wouldn't take a pot like that.
On Dec 17 2006 9:51 AM, jd00123 wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 17 2006 7:48 AM, arlo payne wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17 2006 5:49 AM, alan wrote:
> >
> > > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> > >
> > > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> > > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> > >
> > > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
> > >
> > > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> > > chips into play.
> > >
> > > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> > >
> > > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > > "are you paying with your own money?"
> > >
> > > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > > hand.
> > >
> > > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> > >
> > > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> > >
> > > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> > >
> > > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > > blah, blah, blah."
> > >
> > > We dropped it there.
> > >
> > > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> > >
> > > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Pretty simple:
> > Dealer screws up dealer pays.
> > years ago I saw a dealer pay out over 1k. His choice pay or end of job.
> >
> >
>
> That would interesting too see what would happen in the big game when dealer
> pushs the pot to the wrong player..........one of those 6 figure pots. What
> would they do, let the dealer make payments for life? lol
>
> On a side note, the Horsehoe in Tunica never had film in the cameras whenever
> a
> question like this arose, at least when Binion owned the joint.
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 14:51:28
From: JG
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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James L. Hankins wrote:
>
> Greedy? WTF? A player reaches into the muck and pulls out a better hand
> than the one you tabled and demands the pot that has been awarded to you?
> Does that sound right to anyone?
Greedy in the sense that Harman took a pot she knew wasn't rightfully
hers. Technically, she is the 'winner' of the hand, and thus is
entitled to the pot. However, would you keep this pot against a friend
and a frequent opponent of yours? I'd give it back, no question, even
against a stranger, and I would expect that anyone who calls themselves
a gambler to give it back to me if the situation was reversed.
If I recall the quote correctly, after the hand Brunson told Harman
that she would "steal the quarters of a dead man's eyes."
JG
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Date: 17 Dec 20:56:07
From: jd00123
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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a. Not true, they make mistakes like everyone else, I have known several who
dealt that game, and as a side note they dont have many nice things to say about
a lot of those players
b. ask Todd B what Sam Farha does when he gets pushed the pot mistakenly
On Dec 17 2006 2:45 PM, Kincaid wrote:
>
> a) I don't think you'd be dealing in that game if you were capable of making
> this mistake.
>
> b) I don't think that Barry would stack the chips when the pot belongs to
> Doyle. I'm sure the big game players wouldn't take a pot like that.
>
> On Dec 17 2006 9:51 AM, jd00123 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17 2006 7:48 AM, arlo payne wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 17 2006 5:49 AM, alan wrote:
> > >
> > > > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> > > >
> > > > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and the
> > > > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> > > >
> > > > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > > > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the decision.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put the
> > > > chips into play.
> > > >
> > > > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > > > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> > > >
> > > > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > > > "are you paying with your own money?"
> > > >
> > > > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > > > hand.
> > > >
> > > > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > > > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> > > >
> > > > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> > > >
> > > > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> > > >
> > > > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > > > blah, blah, blah."
> > > >
> > > > We dropped it there.
> > > >
> > > > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> > > >
> > > > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Pretty simple:
> > > Dealer screws up dealer pays.
> > > years ago I saw a dealer pay out over 1k. His choice pay or end of job.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That would interesting too see what would happen in the big game when dealer
> > pushs the pot to the wrong player..........one of those 6 figure pots. What
> > would they do, let the dealer make payments for life? lol
> >
> > On a side note, the Horsehoe in Tunica never had film in the cameras
> > whenever
> > a
> > question like this arose, at least when Binion owned the joint.
>
>
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 01:31:45
From: Chuck24seven
Subject: Re: Dealer pays out of her own pocket
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The dealers biggest screw up wa not calling the floor. If the player
that did not put in the money said call, then he must put the money in.
If the player did not say call - then the winner turned up his hand
prematurely and doesn't deserve the money.
- If you are supposed to be waiting for someone to decide if they are
going to call (or fold or raise) and you turn your hand up and act like
it is over - that is your own fault for not following the action.
a pro wouldn't make that mistakearlo payne;1010620 Wrote:
> On Dec 17 2006 5:49 AM, alan wrote:
>
> > At my table late tonight at Hollywood Park---
> >
> > There are four players in a pot, but after the pot is decided and
> the
> > winner is paid, the winner realizes that he was short changed.
> >
> > It turns out that one of the four players did NOT call a bet, even
> > though he held onto his cards, and was in the hand till the
> decision.
> >
> > Yes, one of the players at the table admitted that he failed to put
> the
> > chips into play.
> >
> > The dealer reaches into her tray of chips and makes up the short
> > payoff-- paying the winner with her own money.
> >
> > I noticed the chips coming out of her tray, and said to the dealer--
> > "are you paying with your own money?"
> >
> > She gives a little smile, nods her head and starts to deal the next
> > hand.
> >
> > So I say to the player who admitted not putting in his chips -- "the
> > dealer is paying out of her own pocket."
> >
> > the player says "it's not my problem, and I'm not going to pay now."
> >
> > Another player says to him "that's bad Karma, fella."
> >
> > That player is now arrogant and says "it's not of your business...
> > blah, blah, blah."
> >
> > We dropped it there.
> >
> > But what should have happened, if anything different?
> >
> > First time I've ever seen anything like this.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Pretty simple:
> Dealer screws up dealer pays.
> years ago I saw a dealer pay out over 1k. His choice pay or end of
> job.
>
>
> The dealers biggest screw up wa not calling the floor. If the player
> that did not put in the money said call, then he must put the money in.
> If the player did not say call - then the winner turned up his hand
> prematurely and doesn't deserve the money.
>
> - If you are supposed to be waiting for someone to decide if they are
> going to call (or fold or raise) and you turn your hand up and act like
> it is over - that is your own fault for not following the action.
>
> a pro wouldn't make that mistake
>
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